/lit/ - Literature

>When you were praying, I studied the blade.
>When you weren’t having premarital sex, I found master morality.
>While you wasted your days at church in the escape of death, I cultivated Amor Fati.
>And now that God is Dead and the Last Men are at the gate you have the audacity to come to me for help?

>Wagner redeemed woman; woman built Bayreuth for him. All sacrifice, all devotion: they have nothing that they would not give him. The woman becomes impoverished in favor of the master, she becomes touching, she stands naked before him. – The Wagnerianerin – the gracefullest ambiguity that exists today: She embodies Wagner's cause, in her sign his cause triumphs. Ah, this old robber! He robs us of our youths, he robs us of our women and drags them into his cave... Ah, this Minotaur!

>The artist is perhaps of necessity a sensual man [ein sinnlicher Mensch] according to his type, which is generally excitable, open to every sense and stimulus, even to the suggestion of stimulus approaching from afar. Yet on average in exercising his task, in his desire for mastery, [the artist] is in fact a moderate, often even a chaste person. His dominating instinct wants it to be so of himself: he doesn’t permit himself to waste himself on this or that fashion. It is one and the same force which is spent in artistic conception and in the sexual act. There is only one kind of force. To succumb, to waste oneself is traitorous to an artist: it betrays a lack of instinct, of will in general, it can be a sign of decadence — it devalues in any case his art to an incalculable degree. I cite the most unpleasant case, the case of Wagner. — Wagner, under the spell of that most unbelievably perverse sexuality [im Banne jener unglaubwürdig krankhaften Sexualitdt] which was the curse of his life knew only too well what an artist forfeits therewith, namely his freedom and self-respect. He is condemned to be an actor. His art itself becomes for him a constant attempt to flee, a means of forgetting oneself, a self-numbing — it alters, and finally determines the character of his art. Such an unfree being [“Unfreier”] requires a hashish-world of strange, obscure, hazy fumes, and every kind of exoticism and symbolism of ideals to rid himself of his reality — he needs Wagnerian music. ... A certain catholicity of ideals is above all for an artist almost the proof of self-reproach, of “the swamp”: the case of Baudelaire in France, the case of Edgar Allan Poe in America, the case of Wagner in Germany. — Need I add that Wagner also owes his success to his sensuality?

Don't know where else to write this, but I was wondering what Nietzschans thought of this really uneducated take. Would you call Nietzsche the "super-villain" or "devil's advocate" of philosophy? His philosophical position, at least on the surface, seems to be to antagonize, refute and criticize every philosophy and religion in history. I understand he's not just doing this to be edgy, and he has a deeper point in doing this; mainly to separate wheat from chaff and establish his Uberman philosophy. But it also feels like he's actively challenging these philosophies, and playing the Devil's Advocate, in order to provoke others into thinking better and more clearly about their philosophies. Almost like a WWE fighter challenges and taunts his opponent, or like Socrates (whom he hated) acted as a "gadfly" to the state of Greece.

Now to post this pleb take and be slaughtered by the Ubermans.

Don't know where else to write this, but I was wondering what Nietzschans thought of this really uneducated take. Would you call Nietzsche the "super-villain" or "devil's advocate" of philosophy? His philosophical position, at least on the surface, seems to be to antagonize, refute and criticize every philosophy and religion in history. I understand he's not just doing this to be edgy, and he has a deeper point in doing this; mainly to separate wheat from chaff and establish his Uberman philosophy. But it also feels like he's actively challenging these philosophies, and playing the Devil's Advocate, in order to provoke others into thinking better and more clearly about their philosophies. Almost like a WWE fighter challenges and taunts his opponent, or like Socrates (whom he hated) acted as a "gadfly" to the state of Greece.

Now to post this pleb take and be slaughtered by the Ubermans.

>>20009888
It is the age of mendacity: moral goodness is being pro-
claimed.

humans are evil - they are the most
terrible predators, in terms of deception and cruelty.

that humans are still evil is a reason for
hope. For good humans are caricatures who arouse disgust: they
are always a harbinger of the end.

Nietzsche

Bros, where do I start with Nietzsche, the Buddha of Europe?

And do you know what “the world” is to me? Shall I show it to you in my mirror? This world: a monster of energy, without beginning, without end, a firm, iron magnitude of force that does not grow bigger or smaller, that does not expend itself but only transforms itself; as a whole, of unalterable size, a household without expenses or losses, but likewise without increase or income; enclosed by “nothingness” as by a boundary; not something blurry or wasted, not something endlessly extended, but set in a definite space as a definite force, and not a space that might be “empty” here or there, but rather as force throughout, as a play of forces and waves of forces, at the same time one and many, increasing here and at the same time decreasing there; a sea of forces flowing and rushing together, eternally changing, eternally flooding back, with tremendous years of recurrence, with an ebb and a flood of its forms; out of the simplest forms striving toward the most complex, out of the stillest, most rigid, coldest forms toward the hottest, most turbulent, most self-contradictory, and then again returning home to the simple out of this abundance, out of the play of contradictions back to the joy of concord, still affirming itself in this uniformity of its courses and its years, blessing itself as that which must return eternally, as a becoming that knows no satiety, no disgust, no weariness: this, my Dionysian world of the eternally self-creating, the eternally self-destroying, this mystery world of the twofold voluptuous delight, my “beyond good and evil,” without goal, unless the joy of the circle is itself a goal; without will, unless a ring feels good will toward itself—do you want a name for this world? A solution for all its riddles? A light for you, too, you best- concealed, strongest, most intrepid, most midnightly men?—This world is the will to power—and nothing besides! And you yourselves are also this will to power—and nothing besides!

>>19465212
>I am better now and I even believe that Wagner's death was the most substantial relief that could have been given me just now. It was hard for six years to have to be the opponent of the man one had most reverenced on earth, and my constitution is not sufficiently coarse for such a position. After all it was Wagner grown senile whom I was forced to resist; as to the genuine Wagner, I shall yet attempt to become in a great measure his heir (as I have often assured Fräulein Malvida, though she would not believe it).
>I suppose I know better than any one the prodigious feats of which Wagner was capable, the fifty worlds of strange ecstasies to which no one else had wings to soar; and as I am alive to-day and strong enough to turn even the most suspicious and most dangerous things to my own advantage, and thus to grow stronger, I declare Wagner to have been the greatest benefactor of my life. The bond which unites us is the fact that we have suffered greater agony, even at each other's hands, than most men are able to bear nowadays, and this will always keep our names associated in the minds of men.

>For, just as Wagner is merely a misunderstanding among Germans, so, in truth, am I, and ever will be.
Did Nietzsche know his legacy would always be tied with 'German philosophy'?

>>18392929
>The author is respected by Academia world renowned
>No quotation marks just spacing changes and hyphens
>Abuses every capitalization formality intentionally

>>18089013
Socrates was known as the most fearless solider. Now compare Socrates with this larper.

Almost forgot this one
>Everything about woman is a riddle, and everything about woman has one solution: that is pregnancy.

>What Goethe might have thought of Wagner?— Goethe once asked himself what danger threatened all romantics: the fatality of romanticism. His answer was: "suffocating of the rumination of moral and religious absurdities." In brief: Parsifal.

How can Wagner even recover?

Here is one of pic related's most uplifting statements, and also a different take on Christianity than his usual frontal assault. From TGS.
>We are, in one word—and let this be our word of honor—good Europeans, the heirs of Europe, the rich, oversupplied, but also overly obligated heirs of thousands of years of European spirit. As such, we have also outgrown Christianity and are averse to it—precisely because we have grown out of it, because our ancestors were Christians who in their Christianity were uncompromisingly upright: for their faith they willingly sacrificed possessions and position, blood and fatherland. We—do the same. For what? For our unbelief? For every kind of unbelief? No, you know better than that, friends!
>The hidden Yes in you is stronger than all Nos and Maybes that afflict you and your age like a disease; and when you have to embark on the sea, you emigrants, you, too, are compelled to this by—a faith!

How do I cope with experiencing depression after being a student of his works for years? For the first time in many years I don't feel like I have the mindset to genuinely live his elitist, life-affirming ideas. I've just about run out of steam trying to stay sane while isolated at home teleworking and putting off my life plans and I wake up feeling sad. What would Jünger do in my situation? I know he experienced bouts of depression, but his circumstances allowed him to deal with it in a very different way. I was thinking just now I could start lifting weights, then I remembered the gyms are all closed.

A nationalist:
>The Germans with their “Wars of Liberation” did Europe out of the meaning, the miracle of meaning in the existence of Napoleon; hence they have on their conscience all that followed, that is with us today—this most anti-cultural sickness and unreason there is, nationalism, this névrose nationale with which Europe is sick, this perpetuation of European particularism, of petty politics: they have deprived Europe itself of its meaning, of its reason—they have driven it into a dead-end street.— Does anyone besides me know the way out of this dead-end street?— A task that is great enough to unite nations again?
A conservative:
>But by my love and hope I beseech you: do not throw away your love and hope.
Know that the noble man stands in everybody’s way. The noble man stands in the way of the good too: and even if they call him one of the good, they thus want to do away with him. The noble man wants to create something new and a new virtue. The good want the old, and that the old be preserved. But this is not the danger of the noble man, that he might become one of the good, but a churl, a mocker, a destroyer.
A hater of Jews:
>Psychologically considered, the Jewish people are a people endowed with the toughest vital energy, who, placed in impossible circumstances, voluntarily and out of the most profound prudence of self-preservation, take sides with all the instincts of decadence - not as mastered by them, but because they divined a power in these instincts with which one could prevail against "the world."
A Nazi or other brand of fascist/German supremacist:
>The way I am, so alien in my deepest instincts to everything German that the mere proximity of a German retards my digestion, the first contact with Wagner was also the first deep breath of my life: I experienced, I revered him as a foreign land, as an antithesis, as an incarnate protest against all “German virtues.”
So why do people who hold those views love him so much? It couldn't be...no, it can't be that these people haven't actually read Nietzsche, r-right?

>CONSEQUENTLY Goethe did NOT understand the Greeks.
Was this dude serious?

>>16873482
But the question is: Was Nietzsche's narcissism warranted?

>>16789346
Nietzsche cannot be critiqued. He is God.

>>16751041
Nice try.

>>16742993
>acts like turbo edgelord, glorifies conflict, war, violance, rejection of christian ethics
>sees horse getting lashed
>NOOOOO NOT MY HECKIN GOOD HORSERINO, HE WAS A GOOD BOY, I AM GOING INSANE AAAAAAAHHHHHHH
What did N mean by this?

>>16737468
That slavish physiognomy says it all. Less than a peasant.

>>16736687
>plato
>poetic