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>>23199837
Should occasion arise, I had by no means intended to deny my authorship of the article [Judaism in Music]: I merely wished to prevent the question, broached most earnestly and objectively by myself, from being promptly shifted to the purely personal realm a thing, in my opinion, to be immediately expected if my name, as that of a "composer indubitably envious of the fame of others," were dragged into play from the outset. For this reason I had signed the article with a pseudonym, deliberately cognisable as such: K. Freigedank [i.e. "K. Freethought "]. To Brendel I had imparted my intention in this regard: he was cour-ageous enough to steadfastly allow the storm to rage around himself, in place of conducting it across to me a course of action which would have freed him at once from all the pother. Soon I detected symptoms, nay plain indications, that people had recognised me as the author: no charges of the kind did I ever oppose with a denial. Hereby folk learnt enough, to make them entirely change their prior tactics. Hitherto, at any rate, only the clumsier artillery of Judaism had been brought into the field against my article: no attempt had been made to bring about a rejoinder in any intelligent, nay even any decent fashion. Coarse sallies, and abusive girdings at a medieval Judaeophobia ascribed to the author, and so shameful for our own enlightened times were the only thing that had come to show, beyond absurd distortions and falsifications of the article itself. But now a change of front was made. Undoubtedly the higher Jewry was taking up the matter. To these gentry the chief annoyance was the notice roused: so soon as ever my name was known, one had to fear that its introduction would merely increase that notice. A simple means of avoiding this result had been put into their hands, through my having substituted for my own name a pseudonym. Now it seemed advisable henceforward to ignore me as the essay's author, and at like time to smother all discussion of the thing itself. On the contrary, I was very well attackable on altogether other sides: I had published essays on Art and had written operas, which latter I presumably should like to get performed. On this domain a systematic defamation and persecution of me, with total suppression of the disagreeable Judaism-question, at any rate held out a promise of my wished-for chastisement.

>>23135821
>Later in the evening talk about the war brought us back once more to the misery of life. "And yet," says R., "I enter this room and look at the Goethe portrait in its fine frame, presented to me in love, and I feel happy and believe in happiness here on earth." As I smile, he just continues: "I assure you that such feelings make me a complete skeptic toward pessimism, since I tell myself that such delight would not have been possible without great suffering. Genuine love is as rare in this life as genius. The best way is to regard life as a task, a piece of work; anything in it that delights us comes from somewhere else."

>“Yes, love up to the point of complete union is just suffering, yearning.” I: “And complete union achieved only in death—the whole of Tristan is saying that; this is what I constantly feel, I feel myself as an obstacle which I long to burst through. And yet I want as an individual to be united with you in death—how can one explain this?” R.: “Everything that is remains, what one already has persists, freed entirely from the conditions of its occurrence.” I: “One has in the stars a good image for the appearance of things—as our eyes deceive us there, so, too, do our senses deceive us about the whole system of existence.” R.: “The word ‘eternal’ is a very fine one, for it really means ‘holy’: a great feeling is eternal, for it is free from the laws of change to which everything is subject; it has nothing to do with yesterday, today, or tomorrow. Hell begins with arithmetic.”

Nietzscheans have never recovered.

In vain sought I, and see now full well:
in the world's wide ring nought is so rich
that a man will take it as price
for woman's value and delight!
Where life ever is moving,
in water, earth and air,
much sought I, asking of all men,
where force doth but stir, and life hath
beginning:
what among men more mighty seems,
than woman's value and delight?
But where life ever is moving,
still scorned alone was my questioning craft:
in water, earth and air,
none will forgo wife and love.

>>22952127
In the past I have found that my exposures of the downfall of our Public Art met little contradiction, but my ideas on its regeneration were violently opposed. If we leave out of count the flat Optimists proper, the hopeful babes of Abraham's bosom, we may take it that the sight of a degenerate world, of the perversion and badness of men in general, does not especially repel: what all think in secret of each other, they know right well; but Science herself does not confess it, for she has learnt to find her reckoning in "constant progress." And Religion? Luther's main revolt was against the Roman Church's shameless Absolution, which went so far as to accept deliberate prepayment for sins not yet committed: his anger came too late; the world soon managed to abolish Sin entirely, and believers now look for redemption from evil to Physics and Chemistry.
We will admit that it is no easy task, to persuade the world of the use of this our knowledge, even though it leave the uselessness of its mean knowledge ungainsaid. But let us not therefore refrain from a closer search into that use. For this we must turn, not to the dull-brained throng, but to those better minds whose own prevailing cloudiness as yet prevents the freedom-bearing rays of rightful knowledge from piercing to that multitude. This cloud is still so dense, that it is truly astounding to see the highest minds of every age since the rise of the Bible enveloped in it, and thereby led to shallowness of judgment. It was reserved for a master-mind—how late alas!—to light this more than thousand-years' confusion in which the Jewish God-idea had plunged the whole of Christendom: that the unsatisfied thinker at last can set firm foot again on a soil of genuine Ethics, we owe to Kant's continuator, large-hearted Arthur Schopenhauer.

CONT

>>22920943
>Medieval castle culture was practiced in the castles, bourgeois culture in the houses.
Since this is a Spengler thread, none of these are things.

>The point is that socially, there's less and less culture day by day. I'm talking about groups, not individuals.
I don't think this is true, at all. The knowledge of prior (high) Cultures like Greco-Roman, Middle-Eastern, Mayan-Aztec informs our current Culture (Western). The Western Culture is the first Culture to truly dig and research in to history and make such available to the entire mass of the Culture. This may have resulted in a wildly different world-view, or a damaged and perverted one as it has been mentioned that the influence the Classical had on Middle-Eastern (given its proximity in time and location) prevented it advancing a truly unique Culture.

What can be said is the forms and symbolism that appear to us today are far cruder and less sophisticated as they are for a broader audience. Music, previously the domain of the Culture baring Strata of society was one the pinnacle of Western expression, now it is crude and manufactured by rote. There is a claim of artistry but it truly is not anything but refutation of what came before.

It is from a Culture that moved from the qualitative to the quantitative. A phase which Yockey suggests is a common occurrence in the undergang of a Culture.

>sex is good
>incest is good
>harems are good
Can someone explain to me how Wagner was a Schopenhauerian?

>>22380815
>so the translation doesn't really matter that much
It does. Most translations purposefully misrepresent the book in order to defame and discredit the author and the ideas expressed within. To the extent that Franklin D. Roosevelt expressed the thought that one translation was entirely unrepresentative of the author.

>>22222316
Synthesis.

The real question is, why was the holocaust needed in the first place? Begin looking in to that and things become clear. From the many, many financial scandals, the repeated Jewish-Communists trying to take over parts of their country, the repeated attacks by Jewish-Anarchists on the family structure. All of this and more from the country that was amongst the most education, prosperous, successful and artistic in the world.

>>22025495
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>>22025661
>perfectly unifies Hegel, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche in the Ring

Holy shit what a pleb thread. From the Op recs to the discussion comparing opera with Tarantino and movies. JUST AWFUL.

I am ashamed to be browsing this place. I think I may just leave and never come back. It's too embarrassing.

Who ever finds that "Know thyself" applied to any rating of the world? Not one Historic action do we know, that betrays this doctrine's influence on the transactors. We strike away at what we know not, and should we haply hit ourselves, we think another struck us. Who has not witnessed this once more in the present stir against the Jews, let us say, when looked at in light of that doctrine? What has given the Jews their now so dreaded power among and over us, not one man seems to stop and ponder; or if he goes into the question, he seeks no farther than the facts and phases of the last ten years, or at most a few years earlier: nowhere can we trace as yet an inclination to a deeper search into ourselves, in this case to a thorough criticism of the will and spirit of all that conglomerate of nature and civilisation which we, for instance, call the "German."

[...]

However, an inner motive plainly lies at bottom of the present movement, little as it may be evinced by the behaviour of its leaders so far. We expressed our belief, above, that this motive was the re-awakening of an instinct lost to the German nation. People speak of an antagonism of races. In this sense we should have fresh cause for self-inspection, as it would necessitate our defining the relation of certain given breeds of man to one another. Here it would probably have to be recognised at the outset that, in talking of a German "race," it would be very difficult, nay, wellnigh impossible to compare it with a race so strongly pronounced, and still unaltered, as the Jewish. When learned men debate the relative value of mixed or pure-bred races, for the evolution of mankind, the decision must surely hinge on what we mean by man's developmental progress. The so-called Romanic nations, and the English too, are praised as hybrid stocks that obviously surpass in Culture-progress the peoples of a haply pure Germanic breed. On the other hand, if one declines to be blinded by the glamour of this culture and civilisation, and seeks the welfare of mankind in its bringing-to-birth of great characters, one finds that these far rather come to light—nay, almost solely—in pure-bred races; where it seems that the still unbroken nature-force of Race at first makes up for every higher human virtue yet unformed, and only to be won through life's sore trials, by that of pride. This peculiar pride of race, that still gave us in the Middle Ages such towering characters as Princes, Kings and Kaisers, may be met even to-day in the old nobility of German origin, although in unmistakable degeneration; and that degeneration we should have to take seriously into account if we wished to explain the fall of the German Folk, now exposed defenceless to the inroads of the Jews. ...

>>21698096
I assume you're quote the wrong person and responding to me.

>>Placing your person wellbeing before that of another is a virtue
That was poorly worded on my part, placing your life in front of that who may suffer is a virtue is what I meant. The opposite of greedy self-interest.

>A state will always be dependant on its citizens
A state is its citizens, if it ceases to be then it is no longer a state.

>ather, you're going to be making quick enemies if you're quick to jump to war on the principle of, 'I just don't want you to have power over me'. You are right that it's dangerous to become dependant, and I don't think it's a bad thing to have a military ready in case of attack. But I don't think there's a need to go conquesting to secure basic resources in most all cases.
You seem focused, like the previous anon, on the idea that because I am pro-war that we must always use it. No, my point was that men must always be ready, trained and willing to make war in their defense of what they love. Not for material gain but for the very survival. Many scholars, legal, political and philosophical think that war for purely economic factors is disgusting and abhorrent, I agree.

>You're espousing a might-makes-right philosophy and saying that you shy away from trade as a means of negotiation, so I figure you'd lean towards military methods to get what you want if the other part kept saying 'no'.
No, you're wrong in your assumption of an overall national defense philosophy. I espouse a Theodore Roosevelt means of self-preservation, be peaceful and even handed but in the other hand the means to defend yourself and what you love. I don't believe that translates as a Might Makes Right philosophy but I will not deny that the ability to inflict physical violence is the best deterrent against suffering it. This is why North Korea has been left unmolested, it has nuclear weapons, Iran clearly did not.

>No I'm saying if you go out of the way to get in fights all the time, people will start to hate you, find you unmanageable, and team up to kill you.
I have never said begin making conflicts for no reason. I said have the capacity to engage in armed conflicts. Have men able to make war, not make war. Why is that difficult for people here to understand?

>The Saviour's lament I hear there, the lament, ah! The lamentation from His profaned sanctuary:

>"Redeem Me, rescue Me from hands defiled by sin!"

>Thus rang the divine lament in terrible clarity in my soul.

What did Wagner mean by this?

If you want to understand the theatre, if you want to save the theatre from its modern decadence, if you want to remove the separation between art and public and thereby return to a productive art culture, Wagner's prose works are essential.

>Opera and Drama
>German Art and German Policy
>The Destiny of Opera
>Actors and Singers

>I demand representatives of heroes such as our stage has not yet seen; where are they to come from? Not from the air, but from the earth, for I believe you are in a good way to make them grow from the earth by dint of your inspiring care. Although our theatrical muddle is hopelessly confused, the best soil for all art is still to be found in our foolish actors and singers; their nature, if they have kept their hearts at all, is incorruptible; by means of enthusiasm you can make anything of them.
- Wagner in a letter to Franz Liszt, 1850

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>>21568761
Wholesome.

>>21508074
The Forest Passage and Eumeswil

>>21499914
>Only one autistic retard is retarded enough to think Anglish is worthwhile and not going back to a full Germanic Language

>>21497501
I have my first child on the way, do not mourn the passing of the jew instead be happy that you got to witness it.

>>21498484
Because the Soviets were going to invade Polandand having a Soviet puppet state on their doorstep was a terrible idea.

>Telegram to British Ambassador dated 8/25/39, August, before the Invasion began.

>The Fuhrer declares that German-Polish
>problem must be solved and will be solved. He is
>however prepared and determined after the solution
>of this problem to approach England once more with
>a large comprehensive offer. He is a man of great
>decisions and in this case also he will be capable
>of being great in his action. He accepts the British
>Empire and is ready to pledge himself personally
>for its continued existence and to place power of
>German Reich at its disposal if his colonial demands
>which are limited and can be negotiated by peaceable,
>methods are fulfilled and in this case he is prepared
>to fix the longest time limit.

What did he mean by this?

>>21468877
Neither life is fulfilling, did you even watch the movie? The only one who was was Pádraic's sister who was able to escape an existence which everybody on the Island suffered from.

All suffer the same problem, existential dread. The cop engaged in abuse to distract himself from it, Colm decided to try shut himself off and making something that would outlast him and Pádraic just pretended it didn't exist. Dominic tries to keep a positive outlook and do the right thing but it too gets too much and he kills himself.

>>21465262
We have no idea what lies beyond our death, if anything and I'm in no hurry to find out. The journey is what is important, not the destination.

>>21421634
>Yes, the Sonnenrad was used by Nazi esoteric circles that have roots in theosophic racial theories that are not biologically reductive.
No it fucking wasn't you half-baked mong. It was used as a justification for the superiority of Prussianism, they never having suffered serious, widespread uprisings from the bottom because they preceded massive changes that other societies like Russia, Britain, Spain and Greece would endure because they anticipated social reform and typically moved with it, sparing their elites from being hung, drawn and quartered. The last meaningful one being the Peasants Revolt which is commonly seen as the beginning of the Special Path which Germany trod.

Evola, Thule Society and associated theories is absolute horseshit. His hilarious 'debunking' of science with his own head canon mysticism proves nothing. He devoted huge amounts of time to essentially nothing, it is meaningless. The Perennialist school is utterly without value as nobody is quite able to point out what it is that makes a value or concept Traditional.

>According to what, the materialist paradigm?
According to the results put forth by the tests.

>You even have an extremely un-fascist, un-Nazi, non-right conception of temporal "progress" in your post (being "ahead" of Africa) that is the calling card of the materialist atheist liberal worldview.
I'm saving this. This is gold. But I will respond, if a people whom can not clean the water they drink, after thousands of years of existing on that soil, I will assume I am superior to them.

>
Okay. Now admit the superiority of the Jewish race.
The Ashkenazi are truly gifted in many domains, but I wonder what it is that made them so gifted? Could it be where they settled and mixed with native people of Das Land der Dichter und Denker? When people say Jews they do not mean the dozen or so other sub-groups of the Jew, they specifically mean the one with a great deal of Germanic admixture. Not the ones that bite the head of infants penis, nor the ones from Africa, or Latin America, or Spain, or the Russian Mountains, the Moroccan or any of the others. Those have contributed nothing to the advancement of the human race, the only ones that have are those from Germany, specifically those rare few who mixed fully with the people.

>>21421658
The reason Evola is worthless is he neglected the materialist world and was removed from it. Materialist possessions are worthless, materialist experiences and abstracts derived from them are priceless, honor, love, loyalty and valor.