/lit/ - Literature

>>18153975

Can't believe no-ones posted this yet

>>17345522
It's always been shit but the decline since the eternal summer of 2019 has been extremely rapid and more retarded than I ever thought possible.

>>16422224
debates are for children, after 18 your supposed to graduate to reading two angry old men writing polemics at each other

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>>15062816

Marxists will never learn

>>14335119
thats pretty much the story of marx v bakunin

marx v bakunin
bakunin won btw

Marxism is attempting to essentially reprogram how you interpret the world. It goes against, in every possible way, how Capitalist ideology presents things like causation, agitation, history and thought itself. You have to also remember that Capital was originally going to be 12 volumes long, not just 3. It's a total world reconfiguration whose analysis is to
A) break down how capitalism works in every single capacity, from its material grounding to its most subtle ideological effects on culture and the psyche
B) lay out a systematic critique of this system, from how it affects the proletariat, to internal economic contradictions, to everyday alienations
C) use the Dialectical Materialist program to anticipate the next mode of human production (while knowing that this system itself cannot, from our perspective, be in any way actually articulable.)

tl;dr it's dense, expansive, and complicated

>>12767717
That's not a very Dialectical reading. Material conditions of late Capitalism are out of joint with the pervading Western, particularly American, ideology, wherein the "good life" of a middle class, stable, and materially"progressive" (higher wages, continual peace, better products, longer hedonistic lifestyles, upward mobility, etc.) are no longer actually viable. The reactionary mind, who sees these changes but has no actual understanding of them, wants to reinstate this ideal--but as technocratic reach increases and the undemocratic workings of governance/economy become more explicit, the only way to express this frustration is through blind violence. Unorganized violence like this only occurs when every other option seems materially impossible.

The actual ideology, again, comes from the contradiction of modern Western society, where one is told things are getting better but one's actual life is growing increasingly bare, isolated, and is exposed for its shallow commodity-driven essence. The reactionary can only see a society's most explicit, although ultimately most superficial, changes: that is of ethnic and social makeup. Surely, the reactionary thinks, I am lonely, unwanted, and miserable because the superficial social cohesion present in previous epochs is absent, not because the core material structure of society necessitates this basic condition.

>>11274883
Pretty distressing, I was excited for this thread until I opened it and found it was a bunch of faggots gossiping about some no-name apparent tranny youtuber. But only because it's so rare I get a chance to shit on Bakunin and his invisible dictatorship.

4chan reaches peak hilarity when you see how /pol/ goes mental over le evil Frankfurt school, but would lap up and champion something like the Culture Industry if they had the ability to read

>>10097124
> Every type of state has existed and then """failed""".

What does that tell you about states?

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>>8926465
Forgot pick. Another favourite has always been young Hegelian Stirner posting too.

>>8576507
>>8576524
There are so many directions to go in after Marx that yeah sure whatever don't worry about it. If you want to stick with econ then probably Sombart and Weber. To me it seems like philosophically it dies down a bit around there until you get Neo-Marxism and some bits like Leninism and Trotskyism, and more developed ideas about historiography and anthropology and so on (these had a major upheaval in the latter part of the 19th C). If you look about Trotsky coming to Marxism, I think his view gives a good idea about how the ideas where spread far but not necessarily dominant, it was really only one communist/socialist type political philosophy. Dewey and Marxism comes after these things, around the 30s I think.

Georgism might be interesting in that it was a major competing idea of wealth redistribution too. There's also the whole Tories against Whigs, but then one nation Tories against Labour movements too (in which case I would recommend having a look at, in addition to Ricardo on Smith, the Manchester school, enclosure acts, the corn laws and the peelers.All of this lead to a major change in how Smith was interpreted, likely in opposition to what he was really trying to argue). I think typically that whole thing gets called Fabian socialism or liberal socialism maybe? Then there's the whole Bakunin/anarchist/anti-state split (and that comes back heavily with the rise of the USSR, they actively attacked anarchist socialists including in Spain/Catalonia).

>>8081636
Basic Bakunin, God and the State
>>8081740
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what should i read to get an understanding of economics?

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