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*blocks your path*

Could someone explain to me as a Muslim, what exactly Ivan's argument is in The Grand Inquisitor against God?

>children suffer
Yes, because He wills it
>Men need total dominion
Yes, they need to submit to Allah instead of their nafs but continue to be stubborn

What does he even prove? That Christians, like Jews, would persecute and hate a prophet coming? We know they hate Muhammad ﷺ but when Jesus returns we expect unlike Jews they will be receptive

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On the Jewish tribes of Medina

>They were very good at corrupting and scheming. They used to sow seeds of enmity between neighboring tribes and persuade each one to devise plots against the other with the natural outcome of continual exhaustive bloody fighting. Whenever they felt the fire of hatred was about to subside, they would increase it by adopting new means so that they could always have the upper hand, and at the same time gain heavy interest rates on loans spent on inter-tribal warfare.


-The Sealed Nectar, revised edition

>>16769159
It's his letter in Messages to the World

>The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

>We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and trading with interest.

>You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense

>You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom.

>You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

>You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

>You have destroyed nature with your industrial waste and gases more than any other nation in history. Despite this, you refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement so that you can secure the profit of your greedy companies and industries.

Anyone here read Roger Scruton's, "The West and the Rest: Globalization and the Terrorist Threat"?

>Organizations like Hamas and the Islamic Jihad take their inspiration from the Muslim Brotherhood and the Hizbullah. They do not work through diplomacy or negotiation, but through violence, and suicide bombings are now their principal device. In these circumstances it is almost impossible for Israel to form a coherent policy towards the Palestinians.

>If we see the Palestinian conflict in this way, we shall be led to reject the currently fashionable view that the terrorist threat to America comes from America’s support for Israel. On the contrary. It is Israel’s relation to America that makes Israel the target of militant Islam.

In his book "The West and the Rest: Globalization and the Terrorist Threat", the famous trad philosopher Sir Roger Scruton asserts Islam is fundamentally incompatible with western values and their hatred of freedom is what has triggered their jihad against America. For example he says it is completely opposed to freedom of speech which we regard as a fundamental human right, he gives pornography as an example. He also says Sharia does not recognize corporate personhood, something very important in the western legal tradition because it allowed for the separation of church and state

In How to be a Conservative, he talks about how conservatism recognizes the nation rather than religion is the ultimate identity and the state rather than church the ultimate arbitrator, whereas Islam is antagonistic to western values because it rejects these important legacies of the Enlightenment.

The question is, is he right?

I don't know about bad guys, the name of the book for him is Messages to the World

From the Letter to America in it

from his letter to America

>The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

>We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and trading with interest.

>You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense

>You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom.

>You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

>You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

>You have destroyed nature with your industrial waste and gases more than any other nation in history. Despite this, you refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement so that you can secure the profit of your greedy companies and industries.

Posting excerpts from the book "Messages to the World", writings by and interviews with Bin Laden, including his take on Saud as corrupt and using fake Islam to mislead people. Stay tuned

First, from his letter to America

>The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

>We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and trading with interest.

>You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense

>You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom.

>You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

>You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

>You have destroyed nature with your industrial waste and gases more than any other nation in history. Despite this, you refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement so that you can secure the profit of your greedy companies and industries.

Any argument I could muster against physicalism would be refuted by your very existence. So perhaps I should start by saying you're a dream.

Thoughts on his letter to America? Better or worse than the Unabomber Manifesto?

Some excerpts


>The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

>We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and trading with interest.

>You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense

>You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom.

>You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

>You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

>You have destroyed nature with your industrial waste and gases more than any other nation in history. Despite this, you refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement so that you can secure the profit of your greedy companies and industries.

>It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history.

>You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake: This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

>>14850374
You must have missed the last thread

>>14844246
Well he is the chief thinker for the Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and Hamas

The Unabomber used to be edgy but he just isn't spicy anymore. Let's discuss other terrorist writing. To start: Bin Laden vs al-Suri, who had it right?