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>>22214101
>In fact, Shripaada Adi Shankaracharya himself says that his doctrine is similar to Buddhism, which he says in his commentary on the Shvetaashvatara Upanishad.

Shankara preaching crypto-buddhism confirmed

>>21843942
>Typically
typically as in "the vedanta view", non-dualism goes beyond vedanta and was created and articulated by buddhist first, mainly the yogacara and MadHyamaka schools, then apropiated by advaita

>>21777099
>the an(no)-atman(literally soul) doctrine is not "no-soul"
>read this western dude instead of the buddhist canon and the commentary of the monks that practiced this path for more than 2500 years
>also read crypto-buddhism disguised as vedanta instead of real buddhism

>>21716398
>Shankara
>derived from the Upanishads

>>21716441

>After one separates oneself i.e. 'I' or Atman from the sense objects, the qualities superimposed on Self are also negated by saying that which not being and not non-being, cannot be described by words, without beginning and end (BG 13.32) or as in Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahman, beyond words, beyond mind and speech, etc. Here there is an attempt to negate the eariler [sic] attribute like being witness, bliss, most subtlest, etc. After this negation of false superimposition, Self Alone shines. One enters into the state of Nirvikalp Samadhi, where there is no second, no one to experience and hence this state cannot be described in words.
>Quoting from the Bhagavad Gītā (XIII.12), Śaṅkarā says that the absolute ātman, identical with Brahman, is called “neither existent nor non-existent” (Upadeśasāhasri, Prose Part 1.8, Mayeda 1992: 214). Later on, speaking from his own realization, Śaṅkarā proclaims “I am neither existent nor non-existent nor both, being alone and auspicious” (Metrical Part 13.20, Mayeda 1992: 133).
- Advaita Vedanta

>The land of natural perfection is free of buddhas and sentient beings;
>the ground of natural perfection is free of good and bad;
>the path of natural perfection has no length;
the fruition of natural perfection can neither be avoided nor attained;
>the body of natural perfection is neither existent nor non-existent;
>the speech of natural perfection is neither sacred nor profane;
>the mind of natural perfection has no substance nor attribute.
>The space of natural perfection cannot be consumed nor voided;
>the status of natural perfection is neither high nor low;
>the praxis of natural perfection is neither developed nor neglected;
>the potency of natural perfection is neither fulfilled nor frustrated;
>The hidden awareness of natural perfection is everywhere,
>its parameters beyond indication, it’s actuality incommunicable;
>the sovereign view of natural perfection is the here-and-now,
>naturally present without speech or books, irrespective of conceptual clarity or dullness, but as spontaneous joyful creativity.
>Its reality is nothing at all.

>Within the essence of ultimate truth,
>there is no buddha or ordinary being.
>Since awareness cannot be reified, it is empty.
>Given that it does not dwell in emptiness,
>it abides in its own state of supreme bliss.
>The majestic ruler of all buddhas
>is understood to be one's own awareness.
>This monarch, naturally manifest awareness,
>is present in everyone, but no one realizes it.
- Mahayana Buddhism

Are they not saying the same thing?

>>20238555
wrong

>>20077868
>he doesn't know that the study of ancient and foreign religions only exists so that autists can screech at eachother on the internet during work hours

>>19607921
Sorry, virtually every scholar agrees that advaita is cryptobuddhism. Its modern form was also extremely influenced by Theosophy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_and_Theosophy

>Goodrick-Clarke wrote that "educated Indians" were particularly impressed by the Theosophists' defense of their ancient religion and philosophy in the context of the growing self-consciousness of the people, directed against the "values and beliefs of the European colonial powers." Ranbir Singh, the "Maharajah of Kashmir" and a "Vedanta scholar", sponsored Blavatsky and Olcott's travels in India. Sirdar Thakar Singh Sandhanwalia, "founder of the Singh Sabha," became a master ally of the Theosophists.[55][note 16] Prof. Stuckrad noted the wave of solidarity which covered the Theosophists in India had powerful "political implications." He wrote, citing in Cranston's book, that, according to Prof. Radhakrishnan, the philosopher and President of India, the Theosophists "rendered great service" by defending the Hindu "values and ideas"; the "influence of the Theosophical Movement on general Indian society is incalculable."[57]

>Bevir wrote that in India Theosophy "became an integral part of a wider movement of neo-Hinduism", which gave Indian nationalists a "legitimating ideology, a new-found confidence, and experience of organisation." He stated Blavatsky, like Dayananda Sarasvati, Swami Vivekananda, and Sri Aurobindo, "eulogised the Hindu tradition", however simultaneously calling forth to deliverance from the vestiges of the past. The Theosophical advocacy of Hinduism contributed to an "idealisation of a golden age in Indian history." The Theosophists viewed traditional Indian society as the bearer of an "ideal religion and ethic."[26]

>In Prof. Olav Hammer's opinion, Blavatsky, trying to ascribe the origin of the "perennial wisdom" to the Indians, united "two of the dominant Orientalist discourses" of hers era.

>>19560768
>Instead we could discuss that his adoption of Advaita has errors of its own

>>19388176
Hinduism was invented by the British colonial administration to make diverse Indians and Muslims easier to govern. India has native bhakti (paganism), sramanic traditions (yoga, tantra, buddhism, jainism, and brahmanic imitations of these), and brahmanism. Bhakti and folk traditions were obviously everywhere, brahmanism was a late priestly version of the Indo-Aryan Kuru-Pancala kingdom's religion in the west that then degenerated into a highly ritualistic exoteric priestly cult, and the sramanas began in the eastern Ganges area as a distinct cultural revolution
>The śramaṇa culture of Greater Magadha developed separately from the orthodox Brahmin-oriented śrauta culture to its west, that was characteristic of the upper Ganges basin (the Ganga-Yamuna doab).

The Upanishads were heavily influenced by the sramana movements, but brahmanism still died and dwindled into the first several centuries of the 1st millennium AD. Sramanism became highly syncretic and things like Buddhism and Tantrism became religions with fuzzy borders just like Taoism/Buddhism in India.

This created a common cultural complex in India between 300-700 AD where ascetics, folk traditions, theurgy, and all sorts of drifting bhakti (ritual/devotional paganism) overlapped. In this context they developed all sorts of epistemological and metaphysical idealist philosophies. Mahayana buddhism created institutional monasticism, as opposed to lone ascetics/hermits in India in this period.

A resurgent Indian priestly caste still identifying with brahmanism absorbed this culture over centuries, and as Buddhism began to decline, put forward a new "orthodox" reading of the Upanishads that is basically syncretic Indian sramana culture plus brahmanical ritualism and culture (like caste). Some of the first figures in this were Gaudapada, a Buddhist-Vedic syncretist, and Shankara, supposedly a student of one of Gaudapada's students, and also a "crypto-buddhist" (according to most Indian tradition).

Brahmanism became the overarching framework of "Hindu" self-understanding after this but it was basically late sramana/idealist syncretism with a brahman priestly caste reasserting itself by claiming never to have declined at all, even though there was a 500-1000 year gap in their authority and relevance while other religious cultures flourished.

This new brahmanical complex still declined under centuries of Muslim rule and became highly syncretistic again, blending with sufism on the one hand, and collapsing into bhakti again after the Mughals took over. When the Brits took India from them, they were confused as to what "Indian religion" is and "found" it by looking at "original" texts, like they were used to in Europe with the Bible and Greek philosophy.

>>19080685
Thats literally what the modern view is. The Upanishads were not advaita, Shankara absorbed hundreds of years of buddhist philosophy and gave it an Upanishad gloss like Christianity absorbing Plato and Aristotle.

But guenonfag will distort anything. Hes been pushed back to defending the one book that still even slightly agrees with him. Probably because it's the only one he read.

>>18940239

>>18871138
Hinduism really emerged around 900-1200

Neither Vedism or Brahmanism is Hinduism, Brahmanism wasn't even Vedism it was just an elite caste of priests who didn't give a fuck about philosophy for the most part. They were pharisees, which is why they and study of the vedas declined in India for nearly 1000 years.

The revival of interest in the the Vedas, refocused on the Upanishads, started when people with Buddhist, tantra and yoga backgrounds like Sankara put the new study of the Upanishads on Buddhist philosophical bases that everyone else took for granted by that time, while Buddhism was also declining for internal reasons

See about halfway down this pic

>>18769351
It's been considered "cryptobuddhist" by most Hindus for a thousand years.

Shankara's commentaries were influential but immediately after he died he was already refuted, sometimes even by his own followers admitting it was just buddhism. Most hindus are qualified nondualists or dualists the bhakti revivals just cemented this as most are bhakti also.

Ironically the people who cared most about Shankara were Mughal sufi syncretists like Dara Shukoh, whose translation of the Upanishads with Shankara commentary was the first version of the Upanishads translated into European languages.

Shankara really just launched a neo-hindu revival that went far beyond him, by assimilating Buddhist idealism as organized Buddhism was declining in India but its ideas were still dominant and more popular than brahman orthodoxy. Most of the people who continued this work disagreed with his actual positions.

Remider that guenonfag is a literal schizo and annoys everyone on the board.

>>18534913
>crypto-buddhist

>>18477982

Reminder that the guy who promotes annihilationism and believes he achieved permanent unity with the Absolute sits on 4chan 24/7 spamming his threads.

Is this the fruit of advaita? To be a complete schizo online and do nothing else with your life?

>>18457816
CRYPTO-BUDDHISTS PROACTIVELY OBLITERATED