/lit/ - Literature

>>17066449
You've reached the correct conclusion, but you're argumentation is cringe and faggoty, so I will post a basedjak now. Let this be a lesson for you.

>>16826443
You are even more alone lady! Nobody wants to eradicate all lifeforms, they just want an easier life. Nobody wants to become inhuman pleasure-robots to escape their suffering, either. We are simple people, with human goals. Only generational delusion created by media and this spoiled milieu we are in can make them want this, so we must fight.

>>16826504
>Flawed logic when it's a fatalistic force acting upon our consciousness and not something of pure logic, except for those born with exceptional will
If you wanted to kill yourself, you would kill yourself. If you lack the will, either you do not really want to kill yourself, or you are too weak to do the act; in either case, you do not want to kill yourself. What you really want is a better life, free from whatever problems induce you to say (in such a characteristically first world manner_ that "I want to kill myself." Bad day at school? "I'm literally going to kill myself."

>o empirical evidence of meaning for any of it, was my dysfunctional household meaningful even though it psychologically messed me up in ways even i can come to recognize, does the starving child or the holocaust contribute meaning to the world?
No empirical evidence as to the contrary, either, madame. Yes, your dysfunctional household was meaningful, but I am not supposed to find meaning in it because I am not you. I don't know your life; you know it, but choose not to find the meaning within because you CHOOSE to suffer. There is no miracle of will involved here; you simply chose to find no meaning, and so you suffer. This is because you derive pleasure from following what you believe is "empirical" or "scientific," but this hasn't helped you live an easier life, has it?

>does the starving child or the holocaust contribute meaning to the world?
Same answer

>Kurzgesagt's video is a very simple explanation of a process that would wipe out the universe, vaccum decay, it could be reverse engineered by advanced enough transhumans and there are other theories too
More transhumanism, eh? That's never going to happen; nothing in this world happens out of inevitability, there are human, elite hands behind the curtain. You of all fatalists should know this.

>I did include the possibility of locking almost everyone into a pleasure machine, however, that is an absolute neutral at best
Patently false, science (as used by transhumans) can manufacture a state of being that involves maximum, ever-lasting pleasure, at the cost of agency and consent (which become vestigial). This will be a state of maximum good (according to you), but according to reality will not last forever. The same goes for your annihilationist power fantasies, all a way of getting back at your "dysfunctional household."

>>16745128
You didn't address any of my points. I proposed not seeing the problem of evil as evil. There you go- poof, it's gone.

>>16745174
It's a fair point. The pain doesn't matter, you are just biased, thinking it is all-important because you live in this life and have suffered only a little.

>>16745180
Completely equivalent. That which can be called "evil" by a Christian still exists in the atheist's world. Suffering, children dying, miscarriages, rapes- these things don't go away when you become an atheist. Either you propose some kind of "utopia" where all these things go away or the opposite, where life, being inherently evil (having suffering), needs to be destroyed. Both of these can never happen. Even if they do, utopias aren't built to last, and life will just form once again (if you're an atheist). Best thing to do is accept what suffering there is on earth as necessary and justified by virtue of its consequence- all just people going to a deserved Heaven, the unjust to Hell, the resurrection, and all that.

>>16745184
It's not necessarily a punishment, as if the suffering they caused to their victims is being returned unto them or something. It's not a punishment in the petty, human sense (that kid banged my daughter and left her a single mother, I'm gonna go PUNISH him), it's just the destination you chose through your life style. You're not "punishing" the chaff by throwing it into the fire, you're just putting it where it belongs, for obvious reasons (you can't mingle wheat and chaff, godliness and ungodliness).

>>16660458
>You could masturbate as well and it would take less work
There's nothing to be aroused about at the funeral, and masturbation's payoff is not only tainted by post-nut clarity but also lesser in quality. Besides, who said I need to shrink away from work? I need to do something because it's "less work?"

>You could have a picture of him to remember him, though you dont give a shit about him, you dont know who he was, and even if you did you would foeget it for most of your life anyway
The funeral is a final act of the remembrance of someone who passed away; it's especially powerful if you are the only one who honors their memory. You forget most of your life? Why does that matter? Your point is annulled if you pray for that person for the rest of your life, in addition.

>Drugs too i heard
Drugs dispense a false spirituality and make you vulnerable to being led astray if you are of weak character (but if you can't handle your drugs it will make you into a weak person, and a person who wants others to take drugs as well, like an alcoholic who wants others to drink, or an atheist who wants others to share his selective skepticism).

>Why? We dont even respect the living
We do respect the living, and we can respect the dead, as well. In fact, we respect the dead because they were once living.

>Compassion to whom nigger? A cold turkey?
To someone who was once alive. Ironically, you are more like a cold turkey than a corpse.

>Yes because it is DEAD nigger, a DEAD body, lifeless, no conscience, no nothing
>It could even become fertilizer for all I care
And OP could go and recite a poem at this person's funeral and see that he is buried, for all he cares. Why should OP do as you wish? Because his fancy offends you? Grow a pair and let people do as they wish if you don't care.

But, you could say that paying the body its respects and burying it increases maximum pleasure (not only for OP, but also for people at large because they know that they will be remembered by someone after they die, and few remain forgotten). Fertilizer, on the other hand, will do little, and dissection or experimentation by scientists will likely do even less for "pleasure."

>Not evil, must mentally ill
The point was to show that there's no reason to care about what others believe. You think I am mentally ill? Since I am not harming anyone through this "mentally ill" behavior, you have no emotion to appeal to, so you must concede that I am allowed to perform this action. Either way, it is not mental illness because it is based on compassion, not hallucination, and "mental-illness" is just a dishonest, lazy, catch-all term that's just an ad hom anyway

>Why? Do they need a dead body and some...
Yes, it's a chance to bring everyone together and let out their grief, so yes, it is necessary. Usually we also hold feasts

>They wont even give a shit about it after it ends
Someone doesn't care about their dead loved one? Perhaps in your family

>>16437708
Fuck yeah. There's nothing more kickass than eating the body and blood of your God (who was the lamb, sacrificed on the cross) to become more like a God yourself. It's like eating sacrificial meat. Keep whinging

>>16415094
>Thousands of sexual abuse cases by priests, mostly covered up.
But when we expose the government, media, schools, and elite groups for doing this, it's a conspiracy theory. We don't abolish the idea of education, government, news because of this, either.

>Thousands of deaths by genocide or persecution against other religions...

Hasn't atheist Communism, among other regimes done the same?

>Thousands of """witches""" burned. Because yeah, witches are...

Yeah, it was all "swamp gas." Now you have an abundance of self-proclaimed witches, and I find it hard to believe that people in the past, connected to ancestral, pagan traditions were aliens to the concept of witchery, charms, and all that jazz

>Excommunicating, torturing, burning, or causing any suffering to any type of people that in 200 years...

What's wrong with excommunition? Torturing and burning are wrong, but this was not something exclusive to the Christian church.

>If you go to any country with poor people you'll find evangelists and other such types getting rich by taking donations and....

So there are people taking advantage of this faith to sell nostrums and make money, so what? Are you so daft that you cannot separate a practice or belief from its followers? I genuinely find reading atheist/burnout posts wasteful, because it's the same grandstanding exposé of a history that countries sharing their beliefs also partake in.

>Just pay and you'll be free from hell hehehehe.
Indulgences are wrong. Now what?

>FUCK YOU HYPOCRITE PIECES OF SHIT. Now go fucking hide behind "those are not real Christians" or whatever the fuck
Thank you for generalizing, you are making a convincing case. Some Christians living in barbaric times a gorillion years ago did bad thing X, and bad thing Y, and I must lump you in with them, you have never touched a hair on another human's body, tried to take advantage of the gullible, or anything of the sort. You're just embarrassing yourself, time and time again

>Well "I fucking love science" people who never stepped in a lab...
Not scientists by profession, but they're just mouthpieces for the aforementioned scientists. Are you trying to tell me that the professional scientists haven't done anything wrong?

>But it makes absolute sense that some average schmuck turns to science when...
Science is not something you can "turn to." It's not a belief, it proves nothing. It's just a tool used to understand the world and make predictions, or in certain isolated, very scientific cases, firearms, chemical weaponry, atom bombs, surveillance systems, drones, birth control, pills that make you a brain dead addict, and industries that profit off of duping gullible schmucks (cancer industry, big pharma).

>just pay and you'll be free from symptoms hehehehe.