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>>22621052
>unless you are actually psychotic and schizophrenic

That's a funny way of dodging the reality of the miraculous and the Divine, Anon.

What's the matter? Does the thought of physical proof of the Power of God bug you? Because it would mean you'd actually have to change your behavior, yes?

>>22233123
>in spite of evidence

Darwinism and the rest of materialism have no answer for miracles, especially those subjected to and passing rigorous testing. They are literally the proof that atheists claim to want, but when confronted with them the average atheist plugs their ears and shuts their eyes and behaves in a way no different than a Bible-thumping fundie.

There is so much that is strange and otherworldly about the world, that has been documented, that being a materialist seems to me as nonsensical as being a Flat-Earther. There's SOMETHING out there, you have to acknowledge that, even if you can't say for certain what it is.

>>22013336
>Most American Catholics are normies and most American Catholic churches are norvus ordo ones that are very similar to the average protestant service with guitar masses and grandmas giving the homily.

They're bad Catholics. You're proving my point. They're all frauds. They probably don't even believe in the Real Presence. They're Fake Catholics.

America generates Fake Catholics.

>>21670794
>truth of reality

How do you answer documented miracles? Like the photographic and chemical analyses of Eucharistic miracles? Or the tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe? Or the healings documented at the grotto at Lourdes?

OP miracles are real and they do happen. Many even have documented evidence, if you bother to poke around and find out.

>>19567643
People would fucking deny Jesus just the same as they do today even if there were video evidence of Him. It wouldn't matter. If people are committed to not believing in Christ, they will do so regardless of documented evidence.

There are actual miracles with photographic and video evidence, and people STILL don't believe in Christianity. Evidence makes no fucking difference. You either accept Christ into your heart or you don't. That's what 2000 years of history has shown.

>>19002771
You people will jump through any hoop, twist yourself into any number of knots, to explain away evidence of the miraculous. I could shove an actual bleeding Eucharist under your face and you'd still refuse to believe it was real.

>>18966779
Yes. Miracles are real. The Divine is real. The miraculous is real. The supernatural and the otherworldly is real.

People actually are healed. Eucharists bleed. The Marian apparitions are all accompanied by evidence. People are still healed at Lourdes, the tilma of Guadalupe is still here centuries after it should have rotted into nothing. The Miracle of the Sun was observed by thousands. The Church meticulously investigates miracles, especially when it might matter in the canonization of a potential saint. Why do you distrust this? The materialists ask for evidence of the miraculous, but why do they ignore it when it's presented to them?

IMO I think Christianity is true largely because I think you can see God directly acting in the world. Prayers getting answered, people getting altered, history getting changed. Obviously I think miracles are 100% real. Bleeding Eucharists, the Marian apparitions, healings, prophecies, these all seem very real and some of them are very well documented. But even ordinary people have somewhat miraculous things happen to them by relying on Christ. The idea that God is just silent isn't borne out by the lived experiences of Christians. Christ is actually real and He actively works in the world, in either mundane ways or miraculous ways. I feel like a lot of the rejection of Christianity is just a refusal to acknowledge that materialism is incorrect, even when there's a preponderance of evidence that it IS incorrect.

>>18715848
To be truly Catholic is to reject America at its core. I discovered this a few years ago, and I chose to reject the United States and embrace the Church instead. You can be a good Catholic or you can be a good American, but you can't be both.

No serious Christian is going to give you what you want because all serious Christians believe miracles are real and that giants, spirits, ghosts, demons, and angels are real, too.