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They got refuted retroactively by the fact that Plato in Timaeus cited the Demiurge as inherently good. Also Plotinus (pbuh) clapped back and demolished all the gnostics (specifically Valentinians some of whom he knew) in the name of his beloved teacher, the divine Plato.

Why don't you guys go become Buddhists? They're as inconsistent and wacky as gnostics, but I guess the problem is they're so retarded that they deny the soul to begin with. Or you could cope with the 'Buddha nature' bullshit they feed potential recruits as a lie to cover up from expositing the truth about their doctrine of anatman.

Is Abrahamic revelation something tailored to the Dark Age in order to prevent 'LHP' gnostic types from seeking to rival the Monad? The individuated (unspeakable) dyad that separated in hatred from the One and thence from all plenitude generated is the illusory self/ego. Said luciferian gnostics wish their egos to become their own Monad/God, rather than returning to the source of the One and becoming obliterated in undifferentiated union - union with God.

In futility they want to become their own dreamers of illusory 'reality' they inhabit. So the One sent down Mohammed and the other prophets to vigorously oppose this. These haters of the One hasten toward the abyssal negation and opposite of Him (who is Beyond Being), through seeking for their 'dyad/ego's apotheosis by chasing its Non-Existence. The Monad is Beyond Being, and so through opposites (that feed into each other) their 2 is seeking to become its own 1, so to speak. They become oppositional to everything they think the Monad represents. For example the Borborite gnostics shit and piss everywhere and eat foetuses to become unclean and break the Ten Commandments.

So Abrahamism is as if God sent down partisans to prevent LHP types from attempting to become their own gods, by opposing 'multitude' above all in conceptions of the divine. Is this absurd?

>>16536258

>>16158519
And the word of the Lord came to me the second time, saying, “What do you see?”

And I said, “I see a boiling pot, and it is facing away from the north.”

14Then the Lord said to me:

“Out of the north calamity shall break forth
On all the inhabitants of the land.
15For behold, I AM calling
All the families of the kingdoms of the north,” says the Lord;
“They shall come and each one set his throne
At the entrance of the gates of Jerusalem,
Against all its walls all around,
And against all the cities of Judah.
16I will utter My judgments
Against them concerning all their wickedness,
Because they have forsaken Me,
Burned incense to other gods,
And worshiped the works of their own hands.

17“Therefore prepare yourself and arise,
And speak to them all that I command you.
Do not be dismayed before their faces,
Lest I dismay you before them.
18For behold, I have made you this day
A fortified city and an iron pillar,
And bronze walls against the whole land—
Against the kings of Judah,
Against its princes,
Against its priests,
And against the people of the land.
19They will fight against you,
But they shall not prevail against you.
For I AM with you,” says the Lord, “to deliver you.”


The Eternal Word

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

John’s Witness: The True Light

6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.

10He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

The Word Becomes Flesh

14And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

15John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ”

16And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

>>16074849
The diverseforms ofKhnum
In "First-of-towns" he is Ba-of-Re,'
Fashioning people throughout this land;
At Iunyt he is Ba-of-Shu,
Modeling people on his wheel.
He has fashioned men, engendered gods,
They live by that which comes from him,
He makes breathe those who rest in their tombs.
In Shas-hotep he is Ba-of-Osiris,
Making all herds by his handiwork;
In Herwer he is Ba-of-Ceb,
Fashioning all beings in this land .
He is Horus-Metenu in Semenhor,
Making birds from the sweat of his body.
He changes his form to Lord-of-the-booth,
To wrap Osiris in the place of embalmment;
He models all things between his hands,
To guard Osiris on his right side,
Save him from the water by his Twins,
Guard the King on his left side, ever-living.
He changes his form to Suwadjenba of Pi-neter.
Who makes all things in his field,
He grows trees, he raises crops,
To nourish all by his products.
He alters his form to beneficent Nourisher,
On top of nestling-hill,
To fashion all men and beasts.
They have placed their four Mesekhnet at their sides,
To repel the designs of evil by incantations;
They stand as lords of the shrines of South and North,
At the place of creation of all that exists.
Beneficent god,
Contenting god,
God who forms bodies,
God who equips nostrils,
God who binds the Two Lands,
So that they join their natures.
When Nun and Tatenen first came into being,
They appeared as lotus on his back,
As heir to Djed-shepsy at the start.
Their Ka will not perish ,
None shall hinder their action,
No land is lacking in all that he made.
They are concealed among mankind,
Creating all beings since god's time,
They are alive and abiding,
Like Re rising and setting,
May your fair face be kind to Pharaoh ever living!

>>16060838
>I'm *NOT* using black-pilled in the wignat sense here.

Because they're too stupid to understand one of Plotinus most important points.
If anything is made evil, such that it shouldn't exist, then what created this is evil and what made that has to be evil, etc all the way up to the highest as evil.
If the highest is the root cause of everything and evil positively exists then the highest is evil.

>>15019946

>>14409338
. . . If Clinias here and all our gathering of elders succeed in convincing thee of this fact, that thou knowest not what thou sayest about the gods, then God Himself of His grace will aid thee; but shouldest thou still be in need of further argument, give ear to us while we argue with the third unbeliever, [905d] if thou hast sense at all. For we have proved, as I would maintain, by fairly sufficient argument that the gods exist and care for men; the next contention, that the gods can be won over by wrongdoers,1 on the receipt of bribes, is one that no one should admit, and we must try to refute it by every means in our power.

Clinias
Admirably spoken: let us do as you say.

Athenian
Come now, in the name of these gods themselves I ask—in what way would they come to be seduced by us, if seduced they were? [905e] Being what in their essence and character? Necessarily they must be rulers, if they are to be in continual control of the whole heaven.

Clinias
True.

Athenian
But to which kind of rulers are they like? Or which are like to them, of those rulers whom we can fairly compare with them, as small with great? Would drivers of rival teams resemble them, or pilots of ships? Or perhaps they might be likened to rulers of armies; or possibly they might be compared to physicians watching over a war against bodily disease, or to farmers fearfully awaiting seasons of wonted difficulty for the generation of plants, or else to masters of flocks. For seeing that we have agreed1 among ourselves that the heaven is full of many things that are good, and of the opposite kind also, and that those not good are the more numerous, such a battle, we affirm, is undying, and needs a wondrous watchfulness,—the gods and daemons being our allies, and we the possession of the gods and daemons; and what destroys us is iniquity and insolence combined with folly, [906b] what saves us, justice and temperance combined with wisdom, which dwell in the animate powers of the gods, and of which some small trace may be clearly seen here also residing in us. But there are certain souls that dwell on earth and have acquired unjust gain which, being plainly bestial, beseech the souls of the guardians—whether they be watch-dogs or herdsmen or the most exalted of masters—trying to convince them by fawning words [906c] and prayerful incantations that (as the tales of evil men relate) they can profiteer among men on earth without any severe penalty: but we assert that the sin now mentioned, of profiteering or “over-gaining,” is what is called in the case of fleshly bodies “disease,”3 in that of seasons and years “pestilence,” and in that of States and polities, by a verbal change, this same sin is called “injustice”.

>>14360185
>inherently evil
>inherent evil
fuck off

>>14238851

>>>14214050
>ontologically false to say a cat is a dog
No it isn't, because that has nothing to do with ontology, the statement doesn't make grammatically sense.
Neoplatonism, which has little to do with whatever the fuck you're talking about, is founded on derivation.

>Every thing productive of another is better than the nature of that which is produced.
>Every producing cause constitutes things similar to itself, prior to such as are dissimilar.
>Every progression is effected through a similitude of secondary to primary natures.
>Everything which is produced from a certain thing without a medium, abides in its producing cause, and proceeds from it.
>Every thing which proceeds from, another essentially, returns to that from which it proceeds.
>Every conversion or return is effected through the similitude of the things converted to that to which they are converted.
>Every thing caused abides in, proceeds from, and returns to, its cause.
Even if noetic matter isn't
>>>All things which in their participants have the relation of a subject proceed from more perfect and total causes.
>>For the causes of a greater number of effects are more powerful and total, and are nearer to The One, than the causes of fewer effects. But the natures which constitute the things which are antecedently the subjects of others {{not 'a subject' as in person, but something objectified by a subject}}, are the causes of a greater number of effects, constituting the properties or peculiarities prior to the presence of forms. And hence these among causes are more universal and perfect.
>Corollary.— From hence it is evident why matter which derives its subsistence from The One is of itself destitute of form: and why body, though it participates of being, is of itself destitute of soul. For matter, since it is the subject of all things, proceeds from the cause of all; but body, because it is the subject of animation, derives its subsistence from that which is more universal than soul, because it participates in a certain respect of being.

>>30862
Gnostics are not welcome on /fitlit/