/lit/ - Literature

I suppose that insecure people tend to flock to each other , like biker gangs and 4chan.org/pol/

>>10171623
Ever wondered if not everyone share your liberal sensibility and brainwashing? Some of us are genuinely proud of our masculinity and we won't bow down to SJW cultural marxism who wants us to hate whiteness and masculinity.
I like shooting guns. I laugh at racist jokes. I think women and nonwhites are inferior to whites. I recognize hierarchies and tradition are essential and natural.
These are male virtues, and leftist cuckolding concepts like effeminizing equality and 'muh empathy' is what has destroyed the white western world, which is crumbling before our eyes.

You're an idiot but other idiots also tend to like Hemingway because he is really easy to read.

>>10171623
That's a weird premise. Unless you're a complete pleb, you tend to like Hemingway or very least respect his work, whether you're progressive and don't fall for gender role memes or a brainlet like >>10171644

>>10171644
I'm going to be straight here. I am a cuckold, but I am also a white nationalist. I believe that whites have contributed more to humanity than any other race, space travel, anti—biotics the list goes on. But when it comes down to it, blacks are just better at fucking. Theres no shame in admitting this. There is no shame in admitting that despite the infinite intellectual and moral superiority of the white race, black cock is just better at pleasing women.
The reason white women are turning from the cause and running to niggers is simply because they are not being sexually satisfied. Can you blame them? If you dont get enough to eat at home youre going to go out to eat. The only way to save the white race from miscegenation is cuckolding. My pure white wife is my angel, the apple of my eye. And I want nothing but the best for her. So every friday she gets to have her fill of big black cock. And our relationship goes on like normal. We love each other, and plan on having a child soon. She also shares my red pilled beliefs.
Monogamy is a tool of the jew. Just give it a chance once. Its exhilarating. Theres something deeply majestic about watching a toned muscular black stud going in and out of a beautiful white woman. Try it once.

>>10171658
you have truly woke me

>>10171658
>>10171644
Oh my the level of irony here, truly a battle of the greats

>>10171623

well jake barnes is a envious incel which kind of sets the tone for his readership

>>10171658
at last I truly see

>>10171658

>>10171644
>women are inferior to whites
hmmmm really scintillated my shallots

>>10171623
sez who?

he was a gifted writer, that's all. wrote some beautiful stuff, but it seems a bit thin compared to the faulkner's force of nature.

that said i've read just about everything that hemingway wrote, and gotten a lot of pleasure from it.

people are idiots about the manly stuff, at least people like the op, 'a special kind of stupid' as the saying goes. if anyone actually read green hills of africa, hemingway deflates all the manliness and mocks it, mocks his own pr and already full-blown myth. he had a pretty clear idea what he was about.

like many artists, i think the chances are he would not have been pleasant in real life, unless one was fortunate enough to meet him on an occasion when he was of mind to be charming for some reason.

Because they never stopped loving Dad jokes and casual boomer bigotry.

>>10171658
>this entire post

>>10171623
You just know he took it in the ass

A farewell to arms is shit. You guys are fags.

Who let the shit-tier /tv/ posters loose on this thread?

hemingway more like hemingay

>>10171922
who are you referring to?

>>10171925

>>10171878
It’s interesting to me how people criticize Hemingway’s “traditional” masculinity for being repressive, and then turn around and say “I bet he took it in the ass too, the fucking fag!” If you are against conservative masculinity, why do you have a problem with men taking it up the butt?

>>10172326
you type like a fucking peter puffer

Because le overcompensation xD
you've figured him out!
also he was closed gay :DDDDDD

saged

can someone here post some of his work? any sauce to his novels?

>>10171623
this pic is hilarious, fucking unhealthy/weak cunts and their faux masculinity.

>>10171644
Possibly the most perfectly crafted bait i've seen in my life, thank you

>>10171644
This is amazing b8
T. Reactionary, pro family, pro.traditional gender roles fag

>>10171623
>Hemingway
>Extremely pro-masculine
Anyone who reads through "The Sun Also Rises" and tells me he is pro-traditional concepts of masculinity is a dip

>>10172349
His writing is terse and relies on the themes/setting. It could be called comfy but I'd rather spend the time on prose I enjoy

>>10171644
>>10171658
Fuck this is good, truly the colour of the times around these parts

>>10171646
>If it's easy to read, it's for idiots
cringing at your life lmao

>>10171623
People who read book aren't desperate to be manly this isn't 1890. Hemingway was a delusional tryhard, but that doesn't mean that people who read him are.

People who are desperate to be manly watch sports and shoot guns and shit. They don't read Hemingway.

>>10171918
Pleb

>>10172479
>People who are desperate to be manly watch sports and shoot guns and shit. They don't read Hemingway.

Middle class and upper middle class people do.

>>10171623

Hemingway's novels involve:

>a guy with his penis blown off in WWI
>an expatriate who deserts the war, knocks up some whore who later dies in childbirth
>a guy who makes a legitimate attempt to fight fascism in Spain, but all of his heroic acts are rendered completely and utterly pointless

I don't know where this meme about Hemingway glorifying masculinity came from, most of his novels seem to mock the whole idea of masculinity.

>>10171644
Even if this is ironic shitposting, I wonder sometimes - why do people like this desire hierarchy when there's a very very high chance that they won't be anywhere on the top of the hierarchy?

>>10171623

Oh, it's just the empty reminiscence of a time when you needed to do stuff (e.g. being manly) to be of a certain gender (e.g. man).
Thank god we emancipated ourselves and now it is sufficient to say that you are something to be recognized as such! :D

Yours sincerely,

T-Rex Time Overlord

>>10172600

>not realizing that stoicism in the face of inevitable failure and pointlessness is just another part of meme masculinity

Lad.

>>10171658

All men are trying to be Manly. That's what it means to be a man. They just disagree on what is Manly and what is not. The men who read Hemingway are generally attracted to the kind of behavior and attitude tbey find in Hemingway. Given that somehow everyone calls it hyper-masculine, I'm more curios why there are so many men who simultaneously put this behavior on the pedestal of Manliness, and yet reject it and run away from it. Whether you like the heavy musk of Hemingway, why would you not define as masculine what you aspire to be? Or if you aspire to be something, why would you not be proud and honest and zealous in what you seak? Why would you hide your desire, or why would you consider yourself defeated before ever beginning?

>>10171623
Probably because of the delusional way he portrays relationships in the middle section of his bibliography

Why does every autist think he’s the next Nietzsche / Schopenhauer?

>>10172326

It's interesting to me when people set Hemingway up as the male ideal for conservative masculinity, when he wasn't conservative at all and his masculinity was a complete act he put on to deal with his massive emotional problems he got from his mom dressing him in women's clothes.

I like hemingway and all, but he was a fucking nutjob, not the male ideal.

>>10173397
the modern numales fall in love with Hemingway's masculine act because to them, who grew up without a father and have never done anything remotely masculine themselves, masculinity is just as much an act as it was to him.

The Short, Unhappy Life of the Anti-Hemingway Fags and Plebs on This Thread.

Hemingway is great. The idea that he was a chauvinist or insecure is a meme, his works are really sensitive and surprisingly feelsy, and he has a really nuanced view of masculinity and femininity. People who criticize/make fun of Hemingway for "posturing" or anything are just showing their own insecurity, it's a classic case of projection. He was a great and sensitive writer who just happened to like stuff like drinking, fishing, boxing, hunting, womanizing, etc.

>>10173404
Kind of true, I'm trying to get away from being just an act of masculine to being masculine; what one does is what is what one is, correct?

Went to /lgbt/ and a bunch of ftms were recommending him to each other... I don't know what to make of that.

If I had to pick a definitive "masc lit" title, it would be Blood Meridian, despite the fact that I dropped it because it was so boring and affected. Corporal warfare, imo, is the central theme of manhood.

>>10173829
>The idea that he was a chauvinist or insecure is a meme
He committed suicide.

>>10172479
the irony of misreading a post about people who can only read easy things...

>>10171623
because being manly is appealing. to alot of people being manly means you can handle your own problems, defend yourself, have confidence and live with principles

>>10171644
this was all fine until you said nature
nigga, ain't nobody going back to the stone ages and that is what you are implying with your contemptible man-made hatred
no wonder SJWs think that you are retarded

>>10173993

Not the above anon, but that has nothing to do with chauvinism or insecurity. He suffered from chronic depression, survived plane crashes and was physically in terrible shape and had electroshock therapy and lost his ability to write. He was convinced the Feds were after him (they kind of were keeping an eye on him)

Look up his family tree. Suicide has taken many of them. Ironically, he loved cats with multiple toes (polydactyls) - I wonder if this was an outward projection of his own feeling of being malformed inside

>>10171644
>. I think women and nonwhites are inferior to whites.

Lost me there. I think you fail to realize race and gender politics do not correlate with manliness. It doesn't make me any less of a man to have black friends or respect my girlfriend you mongoloid. It's about how I act and life my life that defines whether or not I am truly a man

You're just leeching on to whatever justifies being a shit stain

>>10175884
How do people this gullible get here, I mean how many newfags could we get daily. After the first week you should be acclimated to the irony

>>10172712
Because not everyone is utterly consumed by self interest? But yearly go ahead and support Communism. I'm sure you won't be among the first up against the wall, and you'll enjoy the joy of not being considered a loser by everyone, you fucking faggot.

>>10173844
>I'm trying to get away from being just an act of masculine to being masculine

Literally the least masculine thing you could do. Just be your fucking self and be okay with it. Try to be the best person you can. Don't worry about "being masculine", you fucking dipshit dork.

>>10173247
Being undiluted masculine, having nothing but masculine energy, is almost certainly a bad thing. Most people do not want that. They want a lot of what they are, but a bit of the other.

Hemingway was more like a caricature of masculinity in some ways.

>>10175938
It strikes me that Hemingway cooperated with journalists to sell his image -- which helped to sell a lot of books, and a lot of magazines and newspapers, too.

He criticized Faulkner for selling his writing talent - for writing screenplays. But Faulkner never really sold himself - never gave as much of himself - to journalists as Hemingway did. Now this was probably because he simply wasn't as charismatic as Hemingway. But whatever Faulkner arguably may have lost by writing screenplays (and maybe he didn't lose very much at all from the practice), Hemingway probably lost as much or more by willingly selling his persona -- which certainly made him famous and rich, but I think cost him a great deal in the end, when the man could no longer quite live up to the model of the ever so public and well-known persona.

>>10172712
I've looked at this post for a long time and tried to come up with a way to understand how someone doesn't understand this.
Is it really possible for communists to be this self absorbed and blind? You sound like a child throwing a fit because their mom got their sibling a more expensive birthday present.
Hierarchies are natural and therefore unavoidable. A commonly understood hierarchy provides structure and stability to life, a framework to operate in.
You can spend your whole life complaining about your friend getting more girls than you simply because he is more attractive and charming (also, see the endless feminist think pieces about things like "thin privilege" or other equally obvious natural advantages), but that would have been stupid, it can't be changed, women aren't going to start liking you because you complained about it.
But also, usually the thing or person at the top of the hierarchy also has all the responsibility that goes with that position, especially if it has to do with leading a state, and not everyone wants that responsibility.
I know communists can't really into responsibility, but this is a critical point of why pure communism could never work.

>>10175932
>Just be your fucking self and be okay with it
What I mean by attempting to be more masculine I mean trying to be more optimistic and active and going to the gym, I don't mean picking fights at hot dog stands. I'm already much better than I was a year ago, I have some friends, I'm not constantly melancholy and I've gathered some muscle around me which has gathered positive feedback from females, which in turn makes one much more self-assured

>>10176197
This is why I respect the real right/hard right so much more. They understand their shortcomings and are willing to pay for it, that's why you see so much self improvement ideals/tendency on the right, and all the self acceptance on the left. The far lefts rhetoric involving privilege has gotten to preposterous levels

>>10175712

I.A. Richards would have a fucking seizure my God

>>10171644
Good god why are you on /lit/

>>10172479
>If it's easy to read, it's for idiots
/lit/'s reading comprehension never fails to impress.

>>10175712
Only cowards commit suicide. He was not a macho man, he was simply playing make believe.

>>10175884
Yes it does. If you look at a group as obviously inferior as black as equal to your own group, you clearly have a masochistic, unhealthy esteem for yourself and those you come from. No healthy tribe of men brings themselves down to the level oh the "other"

>>10171644
Absolutely. Leftist ideology is based entirely on false empathy. A special empathy that teaches them to hate straight white men who built Western civilization, and to excuse Islamic pedo rape gangs, illegal immigrant invasion, and black street ghettos.

>>10171658
You will be gassed first

>>10175897
Our assumption that the irony was obvious is what led to so many people on this website who unironically hold beliefs like >>10171644

>>10171623
toxic masculinity is a thing

>>10177035
Which he was actually a victim of, not something he perpetuated

>anyone who wants to catch a fish is an unbearable shitlord
>anyone who reads a book about a man catching a fish is doubly so

Imagine being this mad over a fact of human condition

>>10176643
Explain how I want to die but I'm too cowardly to kill myself

>>10171644
>leftist
Have you ever heard of brocialists ? :^)
>western world
There is no such thing and if it existed we should destroy it. Europe and NA are radically different and opposed.