/lit/ - Literature

>>11057470
Hemingway, O'Connor, Faulkner, Chekhov, Carver, Gogol

>>11057470
The two greatest short story writers are Chekhov and Borges.
Their influence is so paramount you can literally trace every short story writer after them under either Chekhovian or Borgesian discipline.

>>11057479
Bump on Hemmingway. Also Lovecraft obviously

>>11057479
>>11057483
any specific stories or collections you would recommend?

>>11057470

Alice Munro and Nikolai Gogol are my two favourites.

>>11057532
Just get a collected Chekhov and/or Borges and read through. They have famous stories but I can't recall many of the top of my head. Have a Google.

>>11057483
I agree but also don't agree. I would definitely add Kafka into that and say Borges falls under Kafkaesque influence.

>>11057588
This is correct.

>>11057470
For me personally...

1. Hemingway
2. Maupassant
3. Poe

Honorable Mention: Bukowski

That might be it.

>>11057470
Lamb to the Slaughter

>>11057483
Nonsense. Borges would not be Borges without Poe and Chekhov would not be Chekhov without Flaubert.

>>11057532
Snows of Kilamanjaro for Hemingway. Or just get a complete collection of his shorts if you really want

>>11057607
so what? writers are obviously influenced by others, but they are way better short story writers than the two you mentioned

Alice Munro and Nikolai Gogol

>>11057611
Chekhov, better than Flaubert?
Borges, better than Poe?

No, my friend, the students did not surpass the masters here.

Hemingway, however, did beat his teachers Kipling, Maupassant, etc.

Salinger

>>11057532
Indian Camp and Big Two-Hearted River are also pretty good

>>11057470
On the grand scheme of thing I'd say borges. But as my personal favorite (altough only limited to his field of science fiction) Lem unironically, the more I read the more it seems every single idea had been already explored by him already in some of his most obsucure short story collections.

>>11057470
Kafka deserves to mentioned.

No one's mentioned Joyce yet? For shame, /lit/!

>>11057633
Borges is better than Poe. You're just being edgy, dude.

>>11057633
flaubert was foremost a novelist not a short story writer

borges was definitely a better craftsman than poe

Updike is great, too.

Also
>>11057670
seconded.

>>11057795
He's really not.

MR James
Henry James
James Joyce

>>11059172
what is that picture from?

Because of all this talk of Hemingway, I was wondering if any of you chaps have a Hemingway chart

>>11059262
4chanlit wiki has most charts

>>11057470
Joy Williams, John Barth, Robert Coover, Gordon Lish, Borges, Kafka

>>11057470

Poe
Twain

The Death of Ivan Ilyich is best ever, IMOLE.

>Not one mention of Best Boy Bierce.

I don't know why I waste my time with you plebs.

Joyce

The Dead is the greatest short story of all time

>>11059502
Enh, I prefer The Devil's Dictionary to any of his fiction.

>>11059502
Ambrose motherfuckin Bierce!

>>11057532
pic related is excellent, with personal writings and critical essays

Chekhov.

My personal favourites are The Little Trilogy, Gusev and The Steppe but just pick up any one of his collections.

>>11057565
Munro is based

>>11057565
>>11059615
Wrong Munro
>>11059202
Canon Alberic's Scrapbook

>>11057670

"So, Mr.... Salinger, is it? Tell me why I should open this gate for you?"
"Well, there's my short stories."
"You only wrote nine!"
"Yeah, but one of them is 'For Esmé With Love And Squalor."
"Welcome to Heaven."

>no Conrad

>>11059828
Reddit-tier reax, faggot

Borges just blows me away whenever I think about some of his stories.

Robert E. Howard with Conan.

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>>11057584
>>11057795
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>>11057721
what borges translations are good? or do i need to read it in spanish

>>11059850
>reax

Breece DJ Pancake

Specifically Trilobites

Most of the above, but also t.c. boyle as a contemporary US master, and William Trevor as an Irish master.

Ted Chiang. Specifically: Exhalation; Hell is the Absence of God; Tower of Babylon.

I don't know why Story of Your Life was picked for a film adaption. It's one of his worst.

Turgenev, Kafka, Tao Lin

>>11057470
O Henry is great if you like schmaltz. J.D. Salinger's Nine Stories are all excellent, and his long short stories (Franny, Zooey, Raise the Roof Beam, Seymour) are worth a read too. I don't know if Aesop's fables would count as "short stories" by contemporary standards, but they're foundational and fun.

Obligatory mentions:
>Joyce
>Borges
>Hemmingway
>Kafka
>Chekov
>Twain

Alice Munro, Ray Bradbury, Borges, Updike, Sherwood Anderson, Mavis Gallant, Joyce, Raold Dahl, and others already mentioned.

>no mention of Sherwood Anderson or Donald Barthelme
>multiple Borges posters
The absolute state of this board. Honestly, I think Chekhov --> Hemingway --> Barthelme in terms of paradigm shifts. Some would argue for Munro after Barthelme but I've never gotten a good handle on her.

>>11060798
>american

haha

bump

>>11057607
lol no one would ever mention Flaubert when talking about the greatest short story writers, I doubt many people even know he wrote short stories.

>>11057470
Maupassant, but "The Necklace" is actually one of his stories that aged the worst.

Ball of Fat, and his stories about the Franco-Prussian War are very good.

>>11059513
Just read that last night. Been thinking about it all day.

Tolstoy has some good ones.

>>11060807
It's our form, retard. The best anyone else has is Turgenev, Gogol, and Chekhov. That's literally it lmao

>>11061620
>our form

lmfao

>ctrl-f “ballard”
>ctrl-f “harlan ellison”
>no results

guess I’m going back to /v/ then

>>11057470
>Kafka
>Salinger
>Cheever (quality to Carver's quantity)

>>11057721
Lem's sheer creativity and variety of ideas is amazing, I'm not surprised Philip K. Dick came to the conculsion he had to be a whole organisation of secret operatives working to undermine the American sci-fi market.

His work ranges from extremely hard (His Master's Voice) to extremely soft sci-fi (Fables for Robots), but there is always a constant element of experimentation and humour.

>>11057479
F to the P to the B to the P, yo!

>>11059262
That picture seems very familiar.

This guy.

>>11059671
This post reeks of reddit.

Gogol, Tolstoy, Akutagawa, Chekhov, Joyce

>>11057470

Alexandr Pushkin (1799–1837)
Nathaniel Hawthorne (1804–1864)
Hans Christian Andersen (1805–1875)
Edgar Allan Poe (1809–1849)
Nikolai Gogol (1809–1852)
Ivan Turgenev (1818–1883)
Herman Melville (1819–1891)
Lewis Carroll (1832–1898)
Mark Twain (1835–1910)
Henry James (1843–1916)
Guy de Maupassant (1850–1893)
Joseph Conrad (1857–1924)
Anton Chekhov (1860–1904)
O. Henry (1862–1910)
Rudyard Kipling (1865–1936)
Thomas Mann (1875–1955)
Jack London (1876–1916)
Sherwood Anderson (1876–1941)
Stephen Crane (1879–1900)
James Joyce (1882–1941)
Franz Kafka (1883–1924)
D.H. Lawrence (1885–1930)
Katherine Anne Porter (1890–1980)
Isaac Babel (1894–1940)
F. Scott Fitzgerald (1896–1940)
William Faulkner (1897–1962)
Ernest Hemingway (1899–1961)
Jorge Luis Borges (1899–1986)
John Steinbeck (1902–1968)
Eudora Welty (1909–2001)
John Cheever (1912–1982)
Julio Cortázar (1914–1984)
Shirley Jackson (1919–1965)
J.D. Salinger (1919–)
Italo Calvino (1923–1985)
Flannery O’Connor (1925–1964)
Cynthia Ozick (1928–)
John Updike (1932–)
Raymond Carver (1938–1988)

Borges or Kafka

Orwell

>>11057470
H. G. Wells

>>11057470
Barthelme reigns supreme.