/lit/ - Literature

>>11206932
It's on my list. Zizek makes a big deal about Tarkovsky and time so I know I'll read it for context at the very least.

Tarkovsky is shallow. Watch Griffith

Saw films of both of them, they are not comparable because of times, but Tarkovsky shines upon Griffith.

>>11207017
seems like you were alright in /tv/

>>11206968
Mega autist is branching out to new boards?

>>11207598
Yeah, he's started spamming here too.

>>11206968

The left is Eisenstein, what are the rest?

Watching the films are more important because the whole point is to take them at face value and not try to "get into the directors head". But if you are just interested in it as a philosophical work or whatever then yeah read it.

>>11207598
/tv/ is only concerned with popular media now a days. you get better film discussion threads on /lit/

>>11207679
It's all Eisenstein as far as I can tell. He's a /pol/ shitposter just ignore

>>11207700
who is this seaman

>>11207717
From Tarkovsky's film Ivan's Childhood

>>11207714

I feel like I would recognize the others if they were Eisenstein. They're not Ivan Grozny or Aleksandr Nevsky

>>11207717
Valentina Malyavina, stabbed her husband to death in a drunken stupor (unless it was a suicide like she says) spent however many years in a soviet prison and since being released has lived blind and in solitude.

"I guess I would be silent. I would like to know what he will say. I had a happy grandmother and grandfather, they believed in God, and it was transferred to me. How can we live without God? I read from Dostoevsky that if there is no God, then we must come up with it. Then it's easier to live, "- said the actress"

>>11207774
That ass though.

>>11207784
On T? Yeah, he looks like a golden Greek god there.

Hey OP you still here?
I read this and took a course on Tarkovsky with someone who grew up in his family, knew a lot about the poetry too.
It's a worthwhile read and will help you see greater depth in his films. Any questions?

>>11207827

Nah, you convinced me. I was wondering but I'll read it asap since I am interested in Andrey now.

>>11207862
It's pretty skimmable to be honest but it's good material to be familiar with
Make a thread after you read it with your thoughts and insights

>>11207766
Pretty sure Ivan the Terrible is in there, not sure about the farthest right photo though.

>>11207774
>Valentina Malyavina, stabbed her husband to death in a drunken stupor
Just made one of the hottest movie girls ever a little bit hotter.
>>11206932
My sister swears by it and she's a filmmaker.

>>11208010
>your sister
>talent
>taste

>>11206932
it's good but I prefer Bresson's zen book. even in the book he leaves everything to its bare essential.

There is also a large book by Deleuze on cinema but I haven't finished it and it's more of a philosophical work (so you need the bong to properly apprehend it).

>>11208198
shes tasted pretty good to me

>>11206932
It's in my stack at the moment, been meaning to read it for a while as I love Tarkovsky's films. So many people praise it as one of the great books on filmmaking so seems worthwhile.

>>11206968
Griffith is great but more from technical film language rather than as a storyteller. Eisenstein and Dziga Vertov should also be recommended if you want to learn filmmaking building blocks.

>>11207717
Ivan's childhood, one of the soldiers falls in love with her>>11207706

>>11207706
You're not wrong. I asked what /tv/ thought of Fellini - pretty open question - and nobody responded. Felt my stomach sink a little.

I would be more interested in a psychological/philosophic meditation on space and time by a network designer desu.

tldr: eisenstein is wrong, stanislavski is wrong, hollywood is wrong, ok praise bresson and kurosawa

>>11208681
It comes with high traffic, the most common opinion is usually a more pleb one

>>11208697
>bresson
Way to out yourself as a middle brow peasant.

>>11208681
I really want to read Fellini's book of dreams.

>>11208703
do you even know what tldr means?
and tarkovsky admits that even his hero had occasional lapses

>>11208703
>still treats authors/directors as pokemon cards
grow up, kid

>>11208718
>>11208707
Bresson fans getting butthurt all around i see. watch a Griffith film and then you will never go back.

>>11208723
not an argument

> no mention of Mackendrick's On Filmmaking

boy...

I'd never get a response on /tv/ about this so here goes.

I've been watching Masaki Kobayashi's The Human Condition and now I'm convinced he was better than Kurosawa.

>>11208736
nice blog

>>11208736
> better than Kurosawa

If anything Kobayashi is on par with Kurosawa, they both made wonderful films. I think Kurosawa has more classics under his belt, but if people are sleeping on Kwaidan, Harakiri or Samurai Rebellion well they ought to stop.

>>11208736
> literal 9 hour film

lol u got memed on so hard

>>11208723
Well, I watched "Intolerance" and it was rather cringy. Naive and lacking subtlety, like all mute-era cinema.

>>11208745
You don't have the attention span for real film. Sorry.

>>11208736
I like Kobayashi, escpecially his samurai films, but the Human Condition sometimes gets too melodramatic, escpecially in the third chapter. Also for me (I'm russian) it was very funny when one of the characters fled to USSR thinking he would find there a better life.

>>11208723
A literal hack. His mise en scene are like the paintings of thomas kinkade they sell at the mall. He is a petty impressionist.

>>11208748
u-huh, carry on shilling

>>11208766
> It was very funny when one of the characters fled to USSR thinking he would find there a better life

I think that the intention was to make them naïve because clearly at the time of filming they knew at that point it wasn't a better life at all. It's that sort of irony where the audience knows better than the characters but they need to sit in silence and watch the characters make their own wrong decision.

I also think you shouldn't go into post-war Japanese cinema without expecting melodrama. It's everywhere in their films, but they were the best at it. It's very captivating in my opinion, like in the first chapter where Kaji is pressured by the Chinese prisoners, pressured by his superiors, and he doesn't want to pressure his wife with the burden of it all. Makes that little moment of one of the guards entering his house with shoes on - Kaji's wife not realising what's likely to have happened - all the more impactful.

OK yeah but how many movies will give you feels like Fallen Angels?

any love for Rossellini's War Trilogy here?

Rome Open City, Paisa and Germany Year Zero fucking hit me hard, man.

You say Tarkovsky- I say Eisenstein

You say Bresson- I say Demille

You say Welles - I say Flaherty

You say Bergman- I say Strand

You say Ozu - I say Godard

You say Italian neorealism ? I say shut the ---- up

You say Dreyer- I scream Griffith!!

You say? Fellini -i ------- punch you in the face

92% of teenagers have turned to La Nouvelle Vague and Sculpting in Time. If you are part of the 8% that still watch real film? DON'T? LET? THE? SPIRIT OF FILM DIE

>>11208822
> Le Nausee
> Le tranger
> Die Aufzeichnungen des Malte Laurids Brigge

don't say you love the anime
If you haven't see the manga

>>11206932
It's a great book. It provides in great detail the way he thinks about filmmaking and his own films.

Loving how my post necessary changed to a film discussion thread, /lit needed it

>>11208932
jesus christ if you're going to name the original titles at least check wikipedia before you embarrass yourself

Read at first year of filmmaking. Best book to learn about film theory related to philosophy from a first source. The idea of sculpting with time is actually really simple but, if you take it into consideration, will make your films way more cerebral. I've said it a thousand times since I've read the book: if Tarko was a more interesting man, he would've been the best filmmaker we've seen thus far. Also the book flows nicely and it's pretty short. If you dig filmmaking or even philosophy on aesthetics this is a nice read, it's kind of the other side of Mckee's the story.

>>11208982
This thread was notorious
>>/lit/thread/S11160185

Film threads should be a bi-weekly thing here

>>11208982
What can I say? /lit/ loves films more than /tv/. We need a break sometimes.

Who are the essential /lit/ directors?

Tarkovsky is a given

>>11208816
I'm not sure whether it were the charaters being naive or the authors. It's an adaptation of a book, after all. They also portray russian soldiers as strict-but-fair men, but that was clearly not the case in real life.
Also I really liked "Fires on the Plain" by Ichikawa Kon, which depicts the same anti-military ethos of "Human Condition" but in a more detached and even light-hearted manner.
Well, sometimes I do like post-war melodrama. Mikio Naruse's adaptations of Kawabata's novels are especially top-notch. But still I prefer Yasujiro Ozu to him as he is the most subtle director in post-war japanese cinema, even in his comedies.

The movie adaption of Taipei is out this year (if they finish post-production). Any of you going to watch it?

>>11208822
About as many that give you the feels of watching Paris Texas for the first time

>>11209021
Have you seen Burmese Harp by Ichikawa? That's very anti-war too and although it's light at times - the soldiers all bond through their love of singing - by the end it's fairly melancholy and sombre as the soldier who could play harp refuses to do so until he has buried every body he can.

Wish Naruse's films were more widely available in the UK, not had chance to see any of his films yet. Ozu is one of my favourites too, his films are very quiet and gentle, even Good Morning which is full of fart jokes. He knows how to pull us in with the quiet sadness and joys of family life.

>>11209018
>Roy Andersson
>Dreyer
>Pasolini

>In a black in white scene a man walks into a bar
>Bartender puts a glass of water in front of him, without a single word.
>Everyone in the bar goes silent.
>The dude stares on the glass, then looks out of the window for 10 minutes, then lays on the floor for 20 minutes.
>After this the dude gets up and walks away. Bartender watches him leaving.
>Then for 10 minutes we are staring at aquatic plants in a river current but now the film is suddenly in colour.
>"I told you guys, Tarkovsky is genius."

>>11209018
Kurosawa is quite popular here

>>11208822
check out "Mahjong" (or "Couples") by Edward Young.

>>11209038
>>11209026
Thanks, ill check them out

>>11209035
>strawman (1978)

Who here /le samourai/?

>>11208723
The adulation of Griffith is like adulating the first person to have ever written poetrY (if we knew who that was)/ The historical achivement may be great but the artistic one, far less so. Luckily the first poem has been lost to time so we are able to focus on superior works like Homer and Hesiod. Unfortunately, due to mass media, we are still aware of Griffith's existence.

>>11206932
Read that then read image

>>11209031
Yeah, I saw Burmese Harp too, but it was a while ago though, so I guess I'm going to rewatch it.
>Wish Naruse's films were more widely available in the UK, not had chance to see any of his films yet
Well-well, as a russian, I strongly advise you just to pirate it. "When a woman ascends the stairs" and "Scattered Clouds" ("Two in the shadow") are a must-see.

>>11209052
well-tipped, monsieur

>>11209052
Waiting for Criterion to bring it out to the UK

>>11209066
Yeah, they were the films I've heard most about. I probably will pirate it, but as soon as they're re-released I'm sure I'll buy them just to support the company distributing them here.

Burmese Harp is great, left me feeling very low though. Any film focusing on war and how it changes people hits me hard.

>>11209053
>Pudovkin
just passing through to tell you that "Storm Over Asia" is superb

>>11209092
How many have you guys seen?

34/100 here

>>11209092
I never can finish The Searchers. I must be a pleb but fuck John Wayne cannot act for shit and it's infuriating. It's a shame because the cinematography is gorgeous, everyone else is fine, it's clearly well directed but John Wayne is a fucking hack.

>>11209102
89/100
Not including the "La Maman et la Putain" and "Hidden", which I've dropped.

What are your favourite film related books, /lit/?

Pictured is mine. If you're a fan of Ferrara's work, check it out.

>>11209092
>>11209102
Surprisingly all of them.

Can anyone recommend an intro to film type book

>>11209092
>>11209102
72/100

I do need to re-watch some of these though

>>11209114
> dropped Hidden

Give it another shot, that film reveals itself more on each viewing. Wonderful film.

>>11209114
>>11209122
>>11209128
What are your favourites from the list? Are there any films you think should be included that aren't there?

>>11209095
If you like war movies I can recommend you "Tial on the Road" by a soviet director Aleksei German. It's about russian nazi defector who turns out to be a true hero.

>>11209137
My personal favourites: Tokyo Story, Bicycle Thieves, The 400 Blows, Rashomon, Andrei Rublev, Battle of Algiers, La Strada, Amarcord, Come and See, Passion of Joan of Arc, Psycho, Hour of the Wolf, Playtime, The Apartment, Lawrence of Arabia, Man with a Movie Camera, Shoah (tough to say you "enjoy" it but it's powerful and worth watching), Rear Window, Pather Panchali, A Man Escaped, Singin' in the Rain, M, Hidden, The General, The Gold Rush, Fear eats the Soul.

I'd probably replace The General with Sherlock Jr. While I enjoy both, I enjoy Sherlock Jr more as a comedy. The General feels more like Mad Max Fury Road but 90 years before, it's a lot more tense. Also would replace Playtime - a film I love - with Mon Oncle - a film I love more.

The 400 Blows is great but I feel people forget it's part of a film series following Antoine Doinel as he gets older. Shout outs go to Stolen Kisses and Bed & Board. Please avoid Love on the Run.

Could also replace Aguirre (great film) with Stroszek, similar story of a man wanting to achieve something impossible and driven to madness, but in Stroszek its about moving to America and how it doesn't meet the impossible expectations. The film fucking broke me when I first saw it.

Get rid of Blade Runner and replace it with Blade Runner 2049. Not even ashamed, the original Blade Runner doesn't hold up well outside of aesthetics.

>>11209150
Will check it out, pal, thanks for the rec

>>11209150
"Trial on the Road"
>>11209133
I dunno, I seem to developed myself an intense dislike for Haneke (escpecially after "Amour"). But one of my frineds really likes him, so I guess I will give him another shot without the predisposed eye.
>>11209137
There are lots of films that are not included. All of the films in this list were great in some individual respect. Just watch them all, you won't regret it. If don't like one film, just leave it for a while and move on to the next.

>>11209107
>I must be a pleb
Self awareness is a wonderful quality.

>>11209137
A Woman Under the Influence, perhaps. As far as the second part of your question, I'm generally not that interested in quibbling with a publications "best of" list in favour of my own favourites. I'm sure this makes me a bit of a party pooper, but really what does being #77 on Sight and Sound's "best of" list really mean?

>>11209137
I would add some Rohmer. The guy knew how to make perfect shots.

>>11209181
Which films of his have you seen? I think Armour is beautiful and is probably Haneke at his least cynical. What is it about his films you didn't like? It took me a while when I first started watching his films to appreciate the pacing of them.

>>11209218
I dropped "Amour" because I personally dislike watching old people at such an intimate angle, I don't know, it must be something personal. "Das weiße Band" was okay but I felt that the film went nowhere all the time.

>>11209231
The White Ribbon took me a few tries to be honest, it's not an easy watch, but part of that feeling of it meandering is definitely intentional. There's no clean cut answers as to what's happened or happening and there's just uncertainty everywhere, it's like that feeling of just clutching at anything no matter how short the straw is. Not his easiest film to watch really though.

Have you tried The Piano Teacher? It's disturbing but one of his more accessible. A sexually repressed music teacher - clearly a virgin - begins an affair with one of her students but it goes to very uncomfortable places. I've only seen it twice and I remember almost everything in it, it's not a film I wish to revisit all that often because of how dreadfully uncomfortable it is. It's a great film and it's very engaging.
Some of his films might be a bit much to watch if you're familiar with his style so I'd suggest keeping films like Code Unknown and Seventh Continent at a distance for now, although they're very good they're quite challenging because they adopt a very non-linear narrative that's almost like piecing together a puzzle.

Give The Piano Teacher, Funny Games and Benny's Video a go. If Haneke still isn't your cup of tea, that's cool, he's not for everyone and his films are intentionally trying to upset and cause discomfort. I'd suggest trying Amour again because it's Haneke at his most gentle, sincere and patient, but if you're not keen on seeing old people all that often then I suppose give it a skip.

Hey, how do I start with Bresson? I read that going straight into L'argent is not a good idea

>>11209261
Okay, I'm sold, already downloading "The Piano Teacher".

>>11209303
Go chronologically with "Journal d'un curé de campagne". But I strongly recommend reading "Notes on the Cinematographer" prior to wacthing his colour films (70s), as it will explain lots of wierd stuff that might put you off at first.

>>11209012
looks like mostly entry-level namedropping to me

>>11209018
Stillman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BATPzXjmV_s

>>11209421
Name just five good directors that don't appear in that thread

>>11209454
why

>>11209217
heven't seen it but that still seems like the kind of schematic, unnatural mise-en-scene that tarkovsky criticized in OP's book.

Kiarostami took cinema as far as it could go.

>>11209117
I should read that. This is the second time in as many days that I've seen that book referenced. Although the first time here.

How to get into films? Where to start?

>>11209489
DW Griffith

>>11209489
I recommend Ericsson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKUChOwam_M
He celebrates autism WITHOUT prettifying it.

>>11209489
Stay as far away from /tv/ as humanly possible.

>>11206932
https://isreview.org/issue/105/visualizing-revolution

there was a recent article here that provides a good reading list as well as a some suggested viewing.

Suggested Marxist filmography
This is by no means a complete list but a good starting point for films written and/or directed by Marxist filmmakers. I’ve tried to include a wide range of formal approaches from within a broad socialist framework. I have not included documentaries, as they are somewhat outside the scope of this article.

Arsenal (1929), written and directed by Alexander Dovzhenko.

Battle of Algiers (1966), directed by Gillo Pontecorvo, written by Gillo Pontecorvo and Franco Solinas.

Battleship Potemkin (1925), directed by Sergei Eisenstein, written by Nina Agadzhanova.

Burn! (1969), directed by Gillo Pontecorvo, written by Gillo Pontecorvo, Franco Solinas and Giorgio Arlorio.

Can Dialectics Break Bricks? (1973), directed by Kuang-Chi Tu (as Doo Kwang Gee), and René Viénet, written by Kuang Ni.

Death of a Bureaucrat (1966), directed by Tomás Gutiérrez Alea, written by Alfredo L. Del Cueto, Tomás Gutiérrez Alea and Ramón F. Suárez. A rare Marxist slapstick comedy.

The End of St. Petersburg (1927), directed by Vsevelod Pudovkin, written by Nathan Zarkhi.

Weekend (1967), written and directed by Jean-Luc Godard. Note: Godard is difficult to place, because his best films were made before becoming a Marxist. His “Marxist” films suffer all the worst excesses of late-60s Maoism. Weekend is a truly bizarre exception.

The Leopard (1963), directed by Luchino Visconti, written by Suso Cecchi D’Amico, Pasquale Festa Campanile, Enrico Medioli, Massimo Franciosa, Luchino Visconti.

Memories of Underdevelopment (1968), directed by Tomás Gutiérrez Alea, written by Edmundo Desnoes and Tomás Gutiérrez Alea.

Meshes of the Afternoon (1943), directed by Maya Deren, written by Maya Deren.

Missing (1982), directed by Costa-Gavras, written by Costa-Gavras and Donald Stewart.

Mother (1926), directed by Vsevolod Pudovkin, written by Maxim Gorky and Nathan Zarkhi.

October (1928), directed by Sergei Eisenstein, written by Sergei Eisenstein and Grigori Aleksandrov.

Rome, Open City (1945), directed by Roberto Rossellini, written by Sergio Amidei, Federico Fellini and Roberto Rossellini.

Salt of the Earth (1954), directed by Herbert J. Biberman, written by Michael Wilson.

Spartacus (1960), directed by Stanley Kubrick, written Dalton Trumbo.

The Wind That Shakes the Barley (2006), directed by Ken Loach, written by Paul Laverty.

Z (1969), directed by Costa-Gavras, written by Jorge Semprún.

>Marxist filmography
also eisenstein was a hack
t. tarkovsky

Please let this become a regular thread. There are no places on the internet for intellectual discussion on cinema any more. Too many le reddit film buffs are diluting the places I used to use (truefilm among others).

>>11209053
Pudovkin adored Griffith though

>>11209489

Literally name a country and type 'new wave' afterwards and then continue from there.

>>11208745
Intolerance: Love's Struggle Through the Ages, by D.W. Griffith, is a film which thematically concerns the cultural continuity of a theme, intolerance, across disparate time periods and connects four narratives on that theme one to the other with a common image: a mother, gently rocking a cradle. Symbolic of the eternal march of generations, the cradle represents both the passage of time and the eternal emergence of culture within humanity, nurtured by love, symbolized by Griffith's romanticized mother figure. The film's parallel narrative structure, four stories from centuries apart progressing toward their climaxes in tandem and in narratively conventional increasing urgency, was virtuosically constructed and edited, and soon shown to be highly influential to other filmmakers, of the American and Soviet cinemas and of many others.

>>11208745
>>11208493
In Cinema 1: The Movement Image, Gilles Deleuze also demonstrates the film's influence on his way of thinking about the cinematic medium's potential,discussing how its uniquely cinematic structuring of temporal sensibilities outmodes simplistic apprehensions of time and demonstrates time's multiplicity. He argues that the alternation between Intolerance's four distinct narratives is not motivated by the requirements of the film's theme, of a message sourced in the narratives themselves, but instead, based in the powerful concept of cinematic montage itself, a distinguishing feature of the cinema, which can bring disparate visions of specific times and spaces into conversation in a way that may, in Deleuze's apprehension of the American tradition, be fashioned to seem purely organic. Therefore, it it cinema's intrinsic ability to invisibly stitch together actualities of immensely different spatial and temporal provenance which enables the "timeless struggle" theme of Intolerance, as well as provides the exceptionally apt depiction of temporality as it really is, extant across all of history in equal measure in simultanaeity, in what Deleuze might have termed "any time whatever," but also only able to be experienced in the immesurably atemporal moment of "the present." In addition to Intolerance's organicized representation of time as existing and being experience identically across eras, "time as whole, as great circle or spiral," time as it might exist in the fullest sense of ideal history and memory, Deleuze also uses Intolerance to help illustrate the other part of the dialectic of experienced time, time as "The continually diminishing interval between two movements or two actions."

>>11208745
The pacing of the intercutting between the narratives of Intolerance grows increasingly rapid over the course of the film, and the dual race scenes in the final hour of the film, the physical and cinematic metaphors for the infinitessimally divisible intervals of time are iterated in a suspenseful fictionalization of the experience of Zeno's arrow paradox. The shots themselves become shorter and shorter, demonstrating how experienced time, the "accelerated variable present," is inherently interval-oriented, described in its form as between points or actions. Thus, the race scenes demonstrate in their parallel spatialized approaches to a goal moment, a finish, a hopeful fateful encounter, the movement nature of time. The intercutting between the two stories and the tension that it builds makes it seem, from the temporal perspective of the viewer, that even though the time is decreasing in interval, it is increasing or unchanging in its arrival at the point of stasis. The viewer's experience of time is controlled and distorted by the cinematic feature of montage, which has in this way organicized and made felt the unlocateable, tanscendent quality of experienced time as interval. This is, of course, cinema's unique effect of suspense. Incidentally, in both stories, the finish of the races are the hopeful resolutions of conflicts that are to result in the salvage of life itself, of the prolonging of existence and of its inherent continued experience of, on the one hand, the husband's individual time and on the other, Babylon's shared cultural time. They are races against the end of time, races to delay what is experientially inconceiveable but historically inevitable.

>>11208198
>ew girls, they have cooties which could hurt are big brained boy like me

>>11208878
Is this some /tv/ pasta?

>>11210710

>>11210710
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>>11210013
I agree

>>11209476
Don't know, Tarkovsky himself used to have lots of scenes like this in his films, like Nostalgia.
Also, Rohmer films look natural, nothing seems to be overly schematic.

>>11211137
Eisenstein hated faux-naturalism though

>>11211167
Ehm, and why would Rohmer even care about what he thought?

>>11211183
>Ehm
Go back to r_TrueFilm and criterionforums soiboi

>i hateee hollywood so much my faves? everything by the criterion collection :)

>>11211467
oof u got us good hhaha nice

>>11211483
he's mad!

>>11209092
>Fassbinder and no Kieslowski. I shed a tear. Watched 83/100. If this list is what Cinema has to show for its best, may God help cinema. What an atrocity is it- to include trash like Fear Eats the Soul, Cassavetes and Blue Velet to forget A Brighter Summer Day, Ikiru, films by Hou and Teshigahara and The Decalogue. Guess the majority of the directors that voted were Americans subdued by the products from Hollywood.

>>11210710
Its 2009 youtube pasta

>>11209489
Anything from
>>11209092
Is a good start

>>11209489
Tiers
Early Silent
- Keaton: Sherlock Jr., General, Steamboat Bill Jr.
- Chaplin: Gold Rush, Modern Times, City Lights
- Eisenstein: Battleship Potemkin
- Griffith: Intolerance, Way Down East, Birth of a Nation
- Lang: Spione and Metropolis, and M which isn't silent
- Murnau: Last Laugh, Nosferatu, Sunrise
- Other German: Dr. Caligari, Greed, Pandora's Box
- Able Gance's Napoleon

Pre-New Wave
- Dreyer: Ordet
- Cocteau: Orpheus
- Renoir: Grande Illusion, Rules of the Game
- Carne: Children of Paradise


French new Wave
- Bresson: A Man Escaped, Pickpocket, Au Hasard
- Truffaut: Jules and Jim, Shoot the Piano Player, 400 Blows
- Godard: Contempt and Breathless

Great American and British Movies
- Godfather 1 and 2
- Wizard of Oz
- Citizen Kane
- Third Man
- ET
- Kes
- Chinatown
- Sunset Blvd
- Psycho
- Bridge on the River Kwai
- Raiders of the Lost Ark
- All About Eve
- On the Waterfront
- 2001
- Lawrence of Arabia
- Singin' in the Rain
- Pulp Fiction
- Dr. Strangelove
- Stagecoach
- Night of the Hunter
- Alien
- All the President's Men

Great Directors
- Kurosawa: Rashomon, Seven Samurai, Throne of Blood, Yojimbo, Ikiru, Ran
- Hitchcock: Psycho, North by Northwest, Rear Window, Vertigo, Notorious, Shadow of a Doubt, 39 Steps, Strangers on a Train, Rebecca
- Tarkovsky: Ivan's Childhood, Mirror, Andrei Rublev
- Wilder: Double Indemnity, Witness for the Prosecution, Sunset Blvd.
- Fellini: La Dolce Vita, I Vitteloni, La Strada, Nights of Caribia
- Coppola: Godfather 1 and 2, Conversation, Apocalypse Now
- Howard Hawks: His Girl Friday, Big Sleep, Red River, Bringing Up Baby
- Ingmar Bergman: Persona, Fanny and Alexander, Seventh Seal, Wild Strawberries
- Coen: No Country for Old Men, Fargo, Inside Llewyn Davis
- John Ford: Grapes of Wrath, Searchers, Stagecoach, My Darling Clementine
- Huston: Sierra Madre, Maltese Falcon, African Queen
- Bigelow: Zero Dark Thirty, Hurt Locker
- Luis Bunuel: Exterminating Angel, Obscure Object of Desire, Viridiana, Belle de Jour, Los Olivados
- Scorsese: Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, Goodfellas, Raging Bull
- Welles: Kane, Chimes at Midnight, Touch of Evil
- Ray: Apu Trilogy, Charulata, Music Box
- Kubrick: 2001, Paths of Glory, Strangelove
- Spielberg: Saving Private Ryan, Jaws, ET, Close Encounters, Schindler's List, Raiders of Lost Ark
- Ozu: Tokyo Story, Late Spring, An Autumn Afternoon


Great Contemporary Movies (Most are race, sexuality, Biopic on an event, or Pixar)
- Boyhood
- Gravity
- Moonlight
- Social Network
- 12 Years a Slave
- Inside Out
- Son of Saul
- A Separation
- The Artist
- Toy Story 3
- Timbuktu
- Spotlight
- La La Land
- Sideways
- Flordia Project
- 45 Years
- Amour
- Lady Bird
- Selma
- Call me By Your Name
- Carol
- Whiplash

Other Great Films
- Ali: Fear Eats the Soul
- Battle of Algiers
- Aguirre, the Wrath of God
- Ugetsu
- Bicycle Thieves

>>11212985
>>11212832
Thanks anons

>>11213178
Watch the Three Colours trilogy, please, Monsieur.

Honestly? embarrassing thread
I loathe the cinephile

>>11213305
Griffith/Eisenstein is where its at

>>11213305
Brainlet

>>11209092
kes, clockwork orange and one flew over the cuckoo's nest don't belong on this list

>>11213556
How does Kes not belong?

>>11213560
ken loach is a hack and the fact that he gets recognition over superior british directors like alan clarke, peter greenaway and ken russell is ridiculous

>>11213575
He is a hack and a POS, but he made a damn good movie with Kes

>>11209217
Rohmer has great style but bad execution.
He definitely popularized the type of movie that, imo, the Before trilogy perfected

ahh yes... Le Cinematographique!
*clenches*
BBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>11210160
Fucking drivel. Reverse engineered bullshit. Nothing he says has any insight or value to the reader. I'll never understand why people respect Deleuze.

>>11211459
>muh lists
>muh directors opinions
>"x" said that "y" is bad/good
I think it's you who truly belong to such places.

>>11213622
Bad execution? Just watch "Les contes des quatre saisons", those films have glorious composition.

Tarkovskys favorite movie was the terminator and he became a neoliberal late in life

>>11206932

The 5th season of samurai jack was brilliant

>>11214119
Pathetic. Don't ever come back

>>11213723
Go downvote a couple of Griffith works to make you feel better, brainlet

>>11215559
>if you think any positive criticism of griffith is bad writing you must dislike griffith

>>11213575
>ken loach
welfare
>alan clarke
Nobody
>peter greenaway
le vulgar postmodern man
>ken russell
edgy

>>11215576
Nah, you're just mad all your buddies praise him as God. It gets you fuming at the mouth for whatever reason.

>>11215593
>all your buddies
Arguing about the properties of non-existentials again? Wow, it's another one of those fucking posts. The words just goes left and right on the screen like a fucking saying nothing. Dynamic fucking thought. Switching to predicate logic was a great idea, wasn't it? Term logic was better and you know it. Fuck you and your philosophical branch, it's a fucking desert.

>8 minutes
Dis gun be good

>>11214401
terminator is great
so is neoliberalism

>>11215626
Actually it was shit. But at least he showed up >>11215620

What are some kino westerns?

I just watched The Searchers and it was great, then I tried watching Django (old one, didnt like tarantinos either) and I couldn't, it was too cheesy.

Next I'm going to watch stagecoach, what are some other suggestions?

>>11213723
>>11215559
>9 hours

>>11215655
>amerifat genreshit

>>11215658
>posting while away in a dead thread
Doesn't work that way, boy.

>>11215661
Searchers is Godard/Cahiers-approved, retard.

>>11215678
I don't see it here

>>11215682
That was when they made the post-nigger revisions

>>11215661
The settlement and expansion into america, especially the old west, is the best stage there's ever been to explore the human condition

>>11215686
Like here as well?

>>11215691
>explore the human condition
>movies
The memes are TRUE.

>>11215693
>mfw pic has different western by the same director

>>11215673
>obsessively updating a thread to be sure to reply to a megaautist within a minute
Doesn't work that way, megaautist.

>>11215731
Birth of a Nation and The Gold Rush aren't westerns

>>11215735
>>11215658

>>11215762
>>11215626
>>11215731

>>11215778
Five minutes. Keep count, big boy.

>>11215788
you can stop posting at any time

>>11215803
No you!

Gay thread.

>>11209489
>How to get into films? Where to start?
casting, maybe. take drama classes.

>>11215836
no seriously, you *can* stop at any moment, you're *choosing* to be an autist

>>11212985
>ET
>great
whoa what did I miss?

>>11209018
Satyajit Ray

>>11215877
yOU FIND ME VerY iNtEreStING

>>11215926
This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5T283ErOh4

>>11215936
>twitter capitalization
>youtube film analysis

>>11215936

>Letterbox'd

Why use it?

>>11212985
>"Great Contemporary Movies"
>most are oscar-bait-tier crap
moonlight? lol never gonna make it

>>11215936
yikes

>>11215948
>>11215971
>>11215953
mommy's handsome boy :)

>>11216020
family's little secret :~)

>>11216036
I know memes too!

Thoughts on Bela Tarr and Yoshishige Yoshida?

>>11216049
I use exclamation marks to denote my cool disinterestedness!

>>11216051
>Tarr
Greatest director of all time. Next to Bergman and Tarkovsky.Real artists.

>>11216090
is this you? >>>/tv/99049978

>>11216100
>/tv/
yuck

>>11216111
>>99051053

>>11216100
it is

Please don't ever post about anything other than literature. This thread hurts to read.

>>11210013
there´s a film board on infinite chan if it´s your interest

/film /index .html

>>11215882
>whoa what did I miss?
Quality genes

>>11216172
yeah, unlike the literature threads

>>11216091
Why post that screenshot? Do the opinions of others matter to you? Do you care what Eli Hayes thinks about cinema lmao

my god, /lit/'s taste is painfully middlebrow

at least /tv/ is not pretending to be anything but capeshit-loving neckbeards and general hebephiliac autists

>>11216238
>/tv/ is not pretending to be anything but capeshit-loving neckbeards
what are you talking about /tv/ hates on capeshit and capeshit-loving neckbeards all the time

>>11216238
Post your top five or get out

>>11208745
>>>>>>>>>>like all mute-era cinema

Im being fucking serious please fucking kill yourself

>>11216100
that guy is still trying to force that meme after months and months of people telling him how cringeworthy he is?

>>11216253
They talk about capeshit all the time, whether to praise, hate or meme about it

>>11216274
Greed (Stroheim, 1924)
Belle de Jour (Buñuel, 1967)
The Blair Witch Project (Myrick and Sánchez, 1999)

>>11208703
what are these stills supposed to prove? "various directors throughout the history of film have shot people from mid-distance"

>>11216393
>They talk about capeshit all the time
OH, I thought they hated on capeshit all the time without talking about it. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION!

>worked with Godard, Pasolini, Bresson
>wrote multiple novels
>way more beautiful that that dumb face Karina
>stayed cute even into old age unlike Karina
>granddaughter of François Mauriac
>descends from Russian nobility

Was she the GOAT actress?

>>11216393
lol get the fuck out of here and leave. greed is stroheim's worst

>>11216182
B-but is isn't infinite chan a dark and dangerous place anon?

>>11208010
Can i fuck your sister? Is she cute? Does she have short hair?

>>11216422
whats up with marxist liberals and downy-faced whores?

>>11206932
WHO THE FUCK deleted the fucking art thread? I was about to permanently BTFO all the neoclassicism retards and the bougearous posters.

>>11216405
Don't bother trying to go toe to toe with us giants if you can't even identify the simple differences.

Does /lit/ like Piavoli kino?

>>11216405
child acting. bresson's worst one there.

>>11216422
You need to provide some relevant arguments before you make that question, not a list of things that dont have much to do with the acting craft

>>11216445
Is this the thread where we post our favorite nigger scribbles and rank by how fudge we pack?

>>11216443
Sorry but none of those ladies can compare to the beautiful Anne. Plus Godard is a good filmmaker, even you have to agree that even if you prefer his later stuff.

>>11216456
lilian gish and mary pickford weren't children though

>>11216464
Looks like a felt doll. Low test

>>11216470
neither was anybody else in that pic besides the flaherty one

>>11216464
i dont think theres anyone on this planet that prefers his later stuff

>>11216473
Anna Karina is one of the most beautiful women in history you faggot. Literally the only, only woman I'll waifufag, waifufaggotry usually makes me wretch.

>>11207744
man this whole scene in the woods is so beautiful

Hopefully he doesn't pull a Leonard Cohen with Anne dying just a few months ago. He's been looking pretty frail.

>>11216479
>t. bourgeoisie narrative

This is Kino

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzIIclcK0pY

>>11216445
op didn't ask use the magic words "books about this?"

>2018
>still feeding megaautist attention

>>11216481
>most beautiful women in history
confirmed low test. probably got rejected several times in highschool for saying shit like this >>11216485 probably still in highschool

>>11216507
Greatest director of all time. Next to Bergman and Tarkovsky.Real artists.

>>11216505
whoa man how can I be an unfeeling sexless pseud like you

I hate Griffith solely because he was a traitor to the proletariat. He basically solidified 20th century capitalism's hold on society. Gramsci did a big piece on him

>>11216462
terrible bait, you have to apply yourself more

>>11216517
>proletariat

>>11216519
Got you to reply, faggot

>>11216516
>unfeeling
There's a difference between feeling and crying at kittens and babies

>>11216528
Greatest director of all time. Next to Bergman and Tarkovsky.Real artists.

>>11216517
fuck off, /lit/ is a neoliberal board

>>11216525
Yes you lumpenprole, Griffith has done numbers toward creating the late capitalist hell hole we live in today.

>>11216456
and cherry picking individual frames with loosely similar subject matter is supposed to prove a point?

>>11216540
Don't you know that Foucault made a deathbed conversion back to Gramscian-Marxist thought?

>>11216528
i don't like this

>>11216541
>hell hole
Get a real degree then

>collaborative "art"

>>11216552
>>11216540
>identifying as a political party
Get a unique personality

>>11216533
>There's a difference between feeling and crying at kittens and babies

only an insecure faggot thinks appreciating the visual artistry of a film means you're a hypersensitive sad sack

>>11216561
fucking blown the fuck out

>>11216560
>ugh plays are meant to be read
>ugh scores are meant to be read

>>11216563
>visual artistry
>>11216560

>>11216561
>you should all follow my command to be unique

>>11216567
>Unsubtle irony
Absolutely ______

>>11216560
It's an established fact that film cannot be art

>>11216577
everything is an established fact
you're not a non-trivialist are you?

>>11216574
Terrible. No wonder you're mad. You can't stand out even if you tried

>>11216577
go read some more finnegans wake and huff your farts faggot

>>11216577
did you know they used to say that novels aren't art because they were not poetry? really makes you think doesn't it.

>>11216587
Novels aren't art though. Read more Greeks faggot

for me... its smoothhands

>>11216574
>individuation is for conformists, heh

the absolute STATE

>>11216598
is this you?

>>11216594
>tfw only cave paintings and ritual sculputures are real art

>>11216598
>following orders is for non-conformists, heh
>>11216585
awful
no wonder you're a child molester

>>11216602
>dude political labels I literally can't think outside pre-packaged positions lmao

the absolute

S
T
A
T
E

for me...its marvel

>>11216561
based snowflake

>>11216604
*laughing Homer

>>11216614
>>11216611

biiiiiiig kike tits hehe

>>11216614
/pol/ entire's shlock is based on the fact that their imagined enemies look bad and are fat

wheres brucie poo

>>11216605
actually conformity is the individual getting swallowed by the universal, individuation is (all) individuals actualizing themselves through the universal. key distinction. but you sound like a brainlet anyways why am I bothering, go take another quiz about which harry potter character is totally you lmfao

>>11216621
don't forgot sleeping with ""their"" women

>>11216624
>all this mumbo jumbo
You're either rich or you're fucked. You're the latter in this case

>>11216630
>mumbo jumbo
>literally just Kierkegaard's distinction between the ethical and religious stage

ahahaha, brainlet confirmed

>>11216624
how unique

>>11216635
>Kierkegaard
GENES

>>11216640
>the absolute horizon of man is the sociopolitical

Hah

>>11216644
>t. intellectual

for me... its smoothhands

marvelous

WHY HAS THIS NO GOT DELETE YET

MODS
MOOODDDSS

>>11214130
I don't necessarily mean composition, his aesthetics are great.
I mean his central idea of "tell don't show"
His movies are all about conversation, exploring his characters ideas and opinions through conversation. The issue comes about that his characters are usually quite uninteresting and the conversations feel unnatural (could just be frenchies tho)
Their convictions are weak, it always feels like they contradict themselves, and most of the things they do are just weird

>>11216655
how unique

>>11216624
>accepting preformed notion about how to not conform
>>11216644
dude non sequiturs lmao

>>11216679
just a state of mind

>>11216635
BTFO
T
F
O

>>11216655
What is it with Hollywood and hotter sisters to dated celebrities coming out of nowhere and stealing thunder?

Learn the differences you pleblords

Low Brow: Lynch, Kubrick, Bresson

Middle Brow: Tarkovsky, Godard, Bergman

High Brow: Griffith, Eisenstein, Bunuel

>>11216705
The Mara's
The Olsen's
The Fanning's

Who else?

>>11216713
The Kardashians

>>11216692
BIG brains

>>11210013
thisss

>>11216597
Why are you on this board retard
Everyone knows you're too low iq to read

for me... its smoothhands

>>11210013
Join the /film/ discord: https://discord.gg/fBmRwNK

I hated 8 1/2

What am I missing? It just seemed so pointless and I hate that making a film about making a film shit.

Post your favourite women of film

Why is European cinema so superior?

>>11210013
Take it to /tv/ :^)

Nah I'm all for this

>>11216975

>>11216977
Asian cinema has been better since the late 30s

>>11209092
>A Clockword Orange
>Barry Lyndon
>no Dr. Strangelove
It's just because it's a comedy, isn't it?

who /high IQ/ here?

>>11217045
>Freddy Got Fingered
I had a chuckle

>>11217086
the chart is right

>>11209150
>nazi defector
>true hero

How can one turn it inside out like that?

>>11216507
What movie is this from?

>>11217996
Dschinghis Khan, by Tarkovsky, see it on Youtube.

>>11218042
From Solaris on, Tarkovsky's pessimism and aloof mysticism led to increasingly portentous, turgid, even obscure narratives with woolly philosophising couched in laboured dialogue, meticulous compositions featuring a hackneyed use of conventional symbolism, and long, often wordless scenes shot with an almost imperceptibly slow-moving camera; the sparse, glum, painstakingly composed 'beauty' often seemed hollow, hinting at deeper metaphysical meanings than story, characters or dialogue could convey