/lit/ - Literature

A masterpiece which requires work.

>>11616808
a big boy book. How about you obtain a basic understanding of structuralism, post-structuralism (including deconstruction you pussy), psychoanalysis (Freud, Lacan, Jung), and a splash of anthropology. That is, of course, assuming you started with the Greeks.

Furthermore, a brief prolegomena in phenomenology would be quite useful ; oh yes, the usual: Hegel , Husserl, but mostly Heidegger.

Thanks!

Talmudic scholarship of the last rank.

You can't repeat the same thing my dude

Nonsense in the style of performative intellectualism.

>>11617098
Unironically a good post.

A boomer thinking undialectically because "Hegel = fascism"

one of the best works of philosophy ever written

look into delanda if you need some help with deleuze

>>11617098

if you need to read that much just to get into its, its shit

>>11617925
*achoo*
sorry, I'm allergic to little bitches like you

>>11617140
highest iq post itt

>>11616808
If you google "Differential Ontology" you'll get a quick rundown:
https://www.iep.utm.edu/diff-ont/

It's a philosophy of relations rather than of things. Things are held to either be of lesser importance or to not truly exist, and the status and nature of relationships is elevated to be of upmost ontological importance: a philosophy of the ontology of differences, of how A is different to B, and the nature of the <-> in A<->B that is more important than A or B as things in themselves.

>>11618222
>https://www.iep.utm.edu/diff-ont/

it's a regurgitated indra's net, deleuze is not all that interesting

>>11617140
Name one Hegelian who wasn't openly communist.

>>11618256
>Giovanni Gentile (Italian: [dʒoˈvanni dʒenˈtiːle]; 30 May 1875 – 15 April 1944) was an Italian neo-Hegelian idealist philosopher, educator, and fascist politician. The self-styled "philosopher of Fascism", he was influential in providing an intellectual foundation for Italian Fascism, and ghostwrote part of The Doctrine of Fascism (1932) with Benito Mussolini. He was involved in the resurgence of Hegelian idealism in Italian philosophy and also devised his own system of thought, which he called "actual idealism" or "actualism", and which has been described as "the subjective extreme of the idealist tradition".

>>11618234
Plato solved the problem of difference with the Form of Difference. Every particular thing participates in the Form of Difference to receive its particularisation by inhereing Difference within the particular particular.

The later Platonists, Proclus especially, gave the Forms of Limit and Unlimitedness significant treatment.

>>11618256
Hegel

>>11618317
it's pretty funny how the more you study platonism the more plato and his lineage anticipated and btfo pretty much every criticism of the 20th and 21st centuries

>>11618334
Who are the best modern presenters of Platonism? Richard Sorabji appears very good, as does Eric Perl. Max Tegmarck is approaching the same issues from the persepctive of cosmology and pure mathematics.

>>11617098
Greeks despised sophistry

>>11618334
where would one start to see such relations between platonism and modern philosophy

>>11618256

>>11618319
kek

>>11618369
uhh, ever heard of Gogrias ? Isocrates ? Protagoras? Alcibides? Alcidamas? I'd even qualify Aristophanes as a sophist, god dammit. The Greeks were fascinated with sophistry

>>11618459
Yeah, during the dark ages of their philosophy. Then Socrates showed up and the foundations of Greco-Roman civilizations were set. The only reason French philosophy is still discussed today is because it's a good breading ground to "and it's beautiful" clickbait articles which drive the Internet business model.

Here's why Xantipa Chastised Socrates, and it's Beautiful

>>11618385
Philosophy of Mathematics:
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/platonism-mathematics/

Max Tegmark in cosmology, particularly his Level Four Realm of Forms:
http://space.mit.edu/home/tegmark/crazy.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlbJoW9Rty0

>>11616808
read Todd May's intro and then Stuart-Hall's readers guide

>>11617098
>to understand Deleuzean nonsense first you must understand this other French nonsense

>>11618369
Retard.
Sophist meant something like 'teacher'. That's also what the presoctratics would've been called. Philosophy was yet to be a popular term, even when Socrates/Plato/Aristotle lived. It only came to be derogatory due to warping of their work and poor views of them, popularised. The word itself has less meaning than 'shit'. Just the 'intellectual' way of spewing an infantile ad hominem.

>>11617081
lol derrida and deleuze are not even on the same planet

>>11618815
he only mentioned one french writer in that post

>>11617098
you don't need all that to read DaR in the least. He lays it all out in that book, it's really a very complete idea

>>11618854
>wjat is [post/]structuralism????
if you understood his terms you'd know he referenced at least half a dozen French theorists: Lacan, Derrida, Saussure, Ricoeur, Foucault, Baudrillard, etc etc.

>>11617098
Does Deleuze actually utilize any Jungian psychoanalysis in his work? Because if so I'm way more interested. I know Freud obviously but always like the Jung branch over the Lacan branch, and the idea that someone making a legitimate dent in philosophy has some Jungian tones is exciting.

>>11618898
no
not even a little

>>11618898
Jung is comprehensible, and provides some utility. Of course Deleuze does not engage with him.

>>11618912
God damn it, anons getting my hopes up. Oh well. Deleuze still interests me, but I guess I'm going to have to wait to see post-modern Jungianism. Sometimes I think he was just way too ahead of his time.

>>11618942
it is not postmodern Jungianism

It is an entire philosophical theory wherein his idea of 'difference' constitutes the basic form of reality that is sequestered into a different state in our reality. Repetition means going back to this 'fluid multiplicity' that is not defined by identity, related to identity, but united in this merged difference thing.

Also you like Derrida? could you give me areason why? because everything i've read of or about him made me appalled

>>11618881
He does not reference Derrida, Foucault or Baudrillard in D&R. That book was written in the late 60s.

>>11618256
The point is that the left has largely abandoned dialectics because it seems too close to totalitarian thinking. We see this in Deleuze, Sartre, Althusser.

>>11619834
a-and Foucault

obfuscantist trash like most of his work

>>11618256
Francis Fukuyama; arguably Derrida

>>11618369
Greeks invented sophistry.

>>11618942
>post-modern Jungianism
the current Jung vogue among new age youtubers lmao

>>11618951
Comprehensively destroyed by Plato's theory of forms and the reality of nature as configurations of the One and the Many.

Deleuze is a babbling brook of nonsense

>>11616808
Gibberish.

>>11618256
Ludwig Feuerbach

>>11620161
'No'.

>>11618368
Don't forget Jacob Sherman and Uzdavinys

>>11618951
allow me to retort, puny-brain:
a text such as Deleuze and Guattari ebbs in a multiplicity insofar as it may seep into any ecology (tree /branch) of western thought ; it bubbles to the surface, but only as a subtle trace ;) within Foucault one finds traces of Stirner ; Augustine within Nietzsche ; Nietzsche within Thoreau. The function of the deconstructionist is to archive (archaeology) these traces. Hence, one may find TRACES of JUNggg WITHIN D&G

EXEUNT.

>>11618256
Nick land

>>11621733
>>11619859

Ha. if only you plebs knew how to read ; oh the pseudo, the conditioned pseud, conditioned to read quantity, not quality ; who skips over words he does not understand, who does not re-read passages, who does not annotate who does not annotate in different PENS ; who does not re-read a text and color-code evidence and page number and add original thoughts to the piece of evidence butTTTTT most mporantly, and LORDD knows most importantly: one who deploys an appeal to ignorance whenever encountering text beyond their -- feeble mental grasp. I neither willing to entertain this of inercourse, nor do I deserve it. Please leave my thread.

EXEUNT.