/lit/ - Literature

>>11631963
I don't follow fandoms or popular culture enough to be able to tell what is taboo and what isn't. Is all the incest stuff in ASOIAF taboo?

So did that one brave anon manage to finish that self-published furry book in the end?

What do you Sanderson fellating nerds think of red rising?

>>11631982
why tho

>>11631982
>>11632037
>>11632045
Maybe talk about something new for once, instead of circlejerking around the same tired old authors we've all already read?

>>11631963
This book is basically 12 months a slave mixed with magical pippy longstocking

>>11632053
He says proudly, while completely failing at bringing any new material to the discussion.

so this is the power of anime...

>>11632055
Is the setting as arid as the cover art suggests?

>>11632069
Okay, I'll read some new indie book by next thread and then we can spend the whole thread talking about that.

>>11632076
Yes.
There are a few lands that aren't arid, but they're not the main focus (so far)

>>11632070
More like the power of mormon autism if you ask me

>>11632076
They have mega storms that change the landscape constantly going by almost weekly except for one month, crem (almost like cement) falls during these mega storms and does the major changes.

>>11632053
Yes milord

>>11632086
Right, I haven't read any Sanderson and was thinking I might try The Way of Kings, but it's probably not my cup of tea.

>>11632104
download the first book give it a try, concept is interesting but don't expect the female characters to actually feel real or fleshed out in anyway due to sandersons pseudo feminism themes in every single fucking book he shits out,

>>11632104
For tasting sanderson to check if you like it, I think you're better served with Mistborn.
It's entirely built around subverting fantasy tropes, and unlike way of kings, sanderson isn't autistic about forcing his female MC to be "witty"

Taboo? There's that Philip Jose Farmer story where the crashed space traveller hides in a moist "cave" which turns out to be the womb of some sort of giant, sessile, empathic lifeform, and he gradually regresses so that he's sucking nutrition from its teats and bathing in floods of vaginal juice.... then the thing asks him to fertilise it by violently attacking a kind of giant clitoris to stimulate it to ovulate. It's the kind of twisted shit that would give mommyposters on other boards second thoughts.

>>11631963
I
I started my very first Mieville book, The City and The City. I'm engrossed. The setting is reminiscent of both The Longest Journey and Planescape: Torment... Coincidentally two of the only videogames with decent writing.

I'm still trying to grasp the term "Weird fiction." Is it just a synonym for lovecraft shit? Is it a catch-all for all speculative fiction that doesn't fall into strict stereotypes for fantasy and sci-fi? Besides the overlapping cities and the Breach the book is surprisingly mundane, more of an alternative history than anything.

>>11632281
>Is it a catch-all for all speculative fiction that doesn't fall into strict stereotypes for fantasy and sci-fi?
Yeah, pretty much

>>11631963
Anyone here working on a book? I don’t normally post on this board but I’m looking for some writing feedback/advice.

>>11631963
>Taboo Edition
How fitting, considering I've been banned for 3 days for basically no fucking reason.

Anyway, we're slowly approaching the deadline! Time to start reading if you have not already, this one is really good. Downloads can be found in the sticky.

>>11632281
>Is it a catch-all for all speculative fiction that doesn't fall into strict stereotypes for fantasy and sci-fi?

And not literary enough for "magical realism"

>different topic everythread
>people that don't read just post the same shit sanderson abercrombie and meville from the last thread

>>11632317
I've got like four on the way. What would you like to know?

>>11632319
Somebody (newfag) probably reported you for either spam, advertising or being a bot

>>11632296
>>11632328

Thanks guys, and second poster pre-emptively answered my follow-up question,

>>11632330
>>11632053

Uhhh I just read The Buried Giant yesterday. Anybody want to talk about it? I checked it out because it was in the thread macro.

>>11632319
>we're slowly approaching the deadline
Fuck you, this 50 pages a week pace is absolutely insane. No one can read that fast so I seriously doubt even the neets with infinite time here will have been able to complete the book.

>>11632319
Oy, don't post what book will be next before the month is here
You posted Roadside Picnic last month alongside The Stars my Destination and I couldn't help myself and read both quickly
I want to read alongside everyone else

>>11632360
Please be joking

>>11632360
>50 pages a week pace is absolutely insane
I read 200 pages a day, what the fuck are you on about?

>>11632365
There's no need to lie here, everyone's anonymous.

>>11632364
Fuck you and your superiority complex.

>>11632340
Well actually...
I was banned for posting Hulk/Black Widow porn on /tv/.

>>11632362
Well, last months were a special case. Probably won't happen again.

>>11632400
Oh did you post the gif of hulk buttfucking black widow in the pussy?

>>11632441
Yes

The Descriptive Law: A fantasy author's ability is directly correlated with how much they describe the scenery

Prove. Me. Wrong.

>>11632441
It's known as simply The Gif, anon.

>>11632463
Incorrect. Sure, we've got amazing authors like Tolkien who described the shit out of everything and brought their worlds to life unlike anything else, but for every Tolkien we have about a trillion hack writers who just fill their book with meaningless purple prose.

In a general sense, less is more.

>>11632474
what book is that?

>>11632053
Sure. /sffg/, do you prefer your magic structured and (pretending to be) scientific, or do you prefer it unstructured, wild, and alive?

>>11632539
Neither.

>>11632539
The latter. Magic should be weird and fantastic, or else it doesn't really deserve the name.

>>11632319
I really don't get why the Vulture knowingly sent his son off to die at the end.

Anyone read Jack Vance's Cadwal Chronicles? I just finished Araminta Station and it was an average Vance book (i.e., very good but not mind-blowingly so). Are the latter two books of the trilogy at least of the same quality? He wrote Cadwal coming straight out of Lyonesse so I'd guess they're at least decent.

By the way, for all the /pol/ fags out there, the principle issue in the book is "what to do about this society of subhuman illegal immigrants" and Vance's answer is "tell the libtards to shut the fuck up and deport them all as indentured servants elsewhere"

>>11632507
The Straggler's Mask.

If >>11632463 is correct, then this book is pretty good: there's a lot of describing weird landscapes.

>>11632055
My friend said its bloated but good. Is it?

>>11632684
It's bloated and average.

>>11632357
>buried meme
Read the Golem and the meme next

>>11632378
Not him anon, but I will often read a 200 page novel in the 2-3 hours of cooldown before my slumber. 600 pages in a day isn't difficult if I'm not doing aught else. I've managed 1000 pages in a single day, but had trouble seeing straight for a bit afterword.

>>11632357
How was it? I've had it on my to-read for like a year, also thanks to this thread.

>>11632732
That's bullshit. I've always been one of the absolute fastest readers I know and I can do 5 pages in 4 hours if I speed read so I don't retain all of the meaning. Most normal people are dumb and slow unlike me so they can probably do 1-3 pages in 4 hours.

>>11632752
Are you enjoying yourself anon?

>>11632768
Are you mocking me? All my life I've been mocked for being smarter and a faster reader than anyone else but here I don't have to take your shit. I guess your all just jealous because I can read so fast I can enjoy more great Urban Fantasy novels than you can.

>>11632786
I actually laughed.
Good one anon.

>>11632786
Which one's better, Dresden Files or Bartimaeus?

>>11632739
Its refreshing to read a fantasy novel written by a capital-L Literature author (and fucking poet laureate) rather than someone held back by the confines of the genre. Its thematically complex, and it feels like reading the Great Gatsby in the 10th grade, in a good way. That being said, its objectively rather boring. The main leads are an old couple, and there is a curse upon the land where everyone perpetually forgets not just their past but often what they said five minutes ago. As such, nearly every member of the cast is senile to some degree, and that can be really *frustrating.* The ending is a bit of an anti-climax: the solved mystery of the curse was intriguing, but not really worth the build-up. The final scene also ends on an ambiguous note that ties up the themes perfectly, but not really the narrative. I'm ultimately glad that I at least gave the book a try, even if I didn't really like it.

>>11632820
I can't really decide yet. It's only taken me 7 years but since I'm a super fast reader and I've been fasting a lot upping my speed so I've managed to read the first books of both series. That's probably a record but since we're anonymous here I won't say more since the jealous types like >>11632798 might be able to track me down. But of the two novels I've read of those series I'd say The Dresden Files has a slight edge for its masterful prose and storytelling.

>>11632317
I’m writing a fantasy novel.

>>11631963
>Taboo
A friend had a collection of the Spaceways series by John Cleve which were badly written, satirical, sexy SF from the early ‘80s. There were 19 books with titles like Of Alien Bondage and Escape From Macho. There was human sex, alien sex but even for horny, handholdless, high school underclassman me I thought they were dumb and occasionally fappable. I should track one down to see if theyre so bad they’re good.

>>11632857
>The Dresden Files has a slight edge for its masterful prose and storytelling
Still laughing, still good. But I gotta warn you, dont cocky and keep it subtle.

>>11632334
>I've got like four on the way. What would you like to know?
I'm currently working on a space opera universe and it's gotten massive. I have so many ideas for plot, lore, and characters but I'm not sure how to translate all that into a readable narrative. How do you refine and filter your autism?

>>11632983
I've got a single big setting document where I write down every inconsequential bit about the world history, geography, kingdoms and nations, stars and moons, races and creatures, and other such things. Once they're all out there, away from my head, I can largely ignore them and focus on the narrative itself.

Just come up with a story you'd like to write, a bunch of characters and events and the setting for it, then write a general plot outline - and after that get cracking. Then bring up stuff from your setting file whenever it's appropriate.

I've never really given your issue any conscious thought: you're going to face far greater troubles as you actually start writing. Good luck.

>>11632846
That sounds quite interesting desu, I'll bump it up among my 10 next books to read.

>>11632846
Fuck off you Axl shill. It was a shit book and you should an hero for further shilling it.

>>11633273
I said I ultimately didn't like the book, chillax my dude.

LIU CIXIN AND HIS LIGHTNING BALLS

It was real, real good. Genuinely felt like Three Body (minus awkward protag and shit translation), or the earlier sections of Dark Forest. Lots of absolutely bonkers shit, as usual, but had some really great characters and tense writing.

Big hate for the ending though. Jesus Christ, so ghost psycho lady returns to lecture us about bees, wtf? Really broke up the tension. Also, I was frankly a little disappointed by the lack of scale. I was convinced the crazy bitch going to configure the macro-electron/neutron selectivity to humans and just exterminate all life on the planet or something. I guess the ending was still vert smart though, so I'm whining.

Yeah so idk overall a 7.5/10? Without the aliens hanging overhead I guess it was missing something vs TBP (would the anon from last thread mind elucidating the way this story was meant to connect into TBP?).

>>11633348
also holy shit nobody noticing the macro electrons throughout history was a bit too much bollocks for me to believe, sorry Cixin

Speaking of taboo aside from Heinlein's stuff are there any other works with rampant incest going on in them?

>>11633514
ASOIAF?

>>11633535
Aside from Craster and Lannister twins, are there other incest plots? I can't remember any. Then again it feels like ages since I touched those books.

>>11633623
There's basically the whole Targaryen bloodline.

Surprised the Soulcatcher hasn't posted in this thread yet. Maybe he finally got tired of shilling his batshit insane waifu.

>>11633643
Lady A shit

Is it possible to discuss Sanderson in this thread without shitposting? I started Stormlight Archives and I liked the first book a lot. But by the third book I had to force myself to finish. Shallan just became unbearable to read, and even Kaladin who was my favorite was starting to become a chore. I've noticed this is a trend with Sanderson's stuff, he starts off strong but then goes full retard with his characters.

>>11633682
It's why I tend to avoid longer stories to begin with. It's really rare for them to maintain the good momentum of the first book and finish strongly as well: something like Lord of the Rings is a rare exception, when mostly it's full of shit like Wheel of Time, Malazan, or indeed most of Sanderson's work.

As a general rule I prefer simple one-book tales like The Hobbit.

>>11633682
most people seem to have had that exact experience with the SA books

At what book did you guys quit Wheel of Time? Book 4 here

>>11633769
6, absolute waste of my life.

>>11633769
Page 5, book 1

>>11633769
Around book 8. I thought I could power through but I just couldn't do it anymore. I eventually just spoiled myself on the ending and called it a day. I still regret ever being memed into reading it in the first place.

>>11633769
I read a bunch as a kid, mostly because I had nothing else to read back then. I don't remember when I stopped, exactly, but it happened the moment I got something better to my hands.

>>11633769
Never even started it but have been considering lately if I should

>>11633815
Don't. It honestly isn't worth the time investment.

>>11633769
midway

>>11633769
I stopped reading at the title of book one.

>>11633826
Not to mention the ending was garbage. Fucking Sanderson ruining everything he touches with his fat mormon hands.

Why can't I get a thicc librarian who wants to do it among books?

*deletes ages old notes and outlines*
Sorry Robert, but I can't let your 10 plus book series have a better ending than mine.

>>11633934
I'd settle for a cute gf that simply likes to read anything that aren't trashy romance novels desu.

>>11633968
It was probably for the best, Jordan was an even bigger retard.

>>11633968
You know avatarfagging is now bannable right? Better stop spamming this shit.

>>11634174
avatarfagging has been bannable for like 8 years

>>11633769
I hate that series so much. The weird poly/harem was so forced.

>>11634241
Are there any scifi/fantasy books with polygamy that feels natural and not forced at all?

>>11634174
I'm not even a Sandersonfag. I haven't read any of his work apart from the first Mistborn which I disliked. Brandon-posting is fun tho

>>11634256
No

>>11634256
Not really honestly but then again I haven't really seen it very much in books and the few times I have it wasn't even touched on much but jesus I hated it.

>>11634256
no books but check out iron blooded orphans. itsanime

>>11634241
Why does Rand need 2 other women when he had a fully functioning Min.

>>11634322
Fuck if I know, I looked up some other explanation as to why and it was some bs "each girl represents the tie to the earth or people" etc etc but each relationship with each of the girls were so superficial. I'm a monogamousfag tho so that's probably why it bothered me so much.

>>11634358
Wheel of Time fans are the worst for mental gymnastics. Atleast Sanderfags admit it's anime.

>>11633769
I read the whole thing in 60 days or so. Rand slowly going mad is a lot of fun to read.

>>11632695
good if shallan never existed

>>11634398
Did Jordan do this on purpose?

>>11633348
>would the anon from last thread mind elucidating the way this story was meant to connect into TBP
The major callback is in The Dark Forest, in one of the Wallfacer plans. You might remember that in TDF one of the Wallfacer plans was to recruit fanatically suicidal pilots, have them nuke Earth's space fleet to demonstrate loyalty to Trisolaris, then have them approach the Trisolaris fleet and kamikaze it with super nukes, then when it was exposed the wallfacer was impeached for planning a crime against humanity.

The original plan also involved treason but with ball lightning weapons instead of super nukes, and the English translation wrote that out for obvious reasons.


Warning: plebbit. Also warning: for anyone who hasn't read Ball Lightning: massive Ball Lightning spoilers.
https://www.. (plebbit) .com/r/threebodyproblem/comments/5988jo/translation_tylers_original_plan_in_the_chinese/
Besides this, the physicist Ding Yi who helped crack the secrets of ball lightning shows up again in 3BP, and I think the sophons also in a way represent a theoretical all-encompassing observer at least as far as Earth is concerned.

Why do gay male minor/side characters seems to be 10000x more common than gay female minor/side characters in fantasy, even in settings with perfect fantasy gender equality?

>>11633769
Winter's Heart or Crossroads (if that's the title) whichever was first. Keep meaning to pick it up again now that it's finished but my resentment might be too deep.

>>11634691
Fantasy with perfect gender equality tends to be written by women, who write gay male characters as a form of vengeful castration.

>>11634691
>even in settings with perfect fantasy gender equality?
This is only written by gays or women.

>>11631963
>taboo
I wish more fantasy explored this. Authors are basically given full autonomy to create a world from the beginning, yet they mostly choose lame european middle ages, both culture and setting. It's depressing. Sanderson is a major offender, his pathetic attempt at doing something different resulted in a gloved hand. Sci-fi, on the other hand, is on the complete opposite of the spectrum, and I often think as I start reading a book: "I wonder how many pronouns this book is gonna have".

The most tabooy book I've read recently was a book born on literotica that was later put on kindle, author is Kenny Michaels. Basically a culture shock, where a soldier is pulled into another world where the major religion practices orgies as a method to spread faith and happiness. It was quite uncomfortable to read at parts.

>>11633682
>But by the third book I had to force myself to finish.


yeah the same. stuff that should have had a focus was quickly brushed away in a page, stuff that should have had 3 pages devoted to it had multiple fucking chapters(mah robin hood shallan) some characters felt like they didn't progress because it feels like sanderson is waiting for a specific book to continue they're characterization.


a lot of the characters also felt like robots at times. they should have had big emotional reaction to things instead they barely even register it because sanderson has specific plot points he wants to hit at specific times and damn if the characters get in the way of that. i see the excuse that they're in a war where the world can end at any minute and they have bigger things to worry about thrown about on other forums for this, well go fuck yourself.

>>11632208
h-
hot

>>11634738
The Kushiel books are set in medieval Europe but also has a literal Church of Prostitution.

Which of these ideas is the least shitty?

>Greek myth about an amazon who was cursed to become a were-lioness for burning down a sacred grove
>Willy Wonka backstory with nazi witches
>The Ten Commandments, but in the pre-war south with cosmic horror elements
>Fanfic based on my grandpa
>Spooklock Bones

>>11635067
The first, for obvious reasons.

>>11635067
ten commandments one sounds great

>>11633348
It's not a strong connection, but at the end of Ball Lightning the SETI researcher reports that some of the macro-electrons collapsed even without any human observers, suggesting an alien super-observer. Although the timeline isn't clear, if Ball Lightning and The Three Body Problem take place within two years of each other (which is possible because Ding Yi shows up in both books), this may have been the first sign of the Trisolaran sophons. That connection would have to be retroactive though, unless Liu Cixin was already planning TBP as he was writing Ball Lightning.

And also as mentioned by >>11634683 Tyler's plan in the original script of TDF was for the Earth fleet to be incinerated by string macrofusion weapons so that they could fight the Trisolaris fleet from a quantum state. It doesn't make sense unless you read Ball Lightning, so the only choices for the English translation would have been to include a lengthy footnote that spoils Ball Lightning or to just change it.

>>11635067
>>Fanfic based on my grandpa
this. old people do very peculiar things in their lives.

>>11635380
>That connection would have to be retroactive though, unless Liu Cixin was already planning TBP as he was writing Ball Lightning
The afterword mentions
>When I wrote this novel in 2003, I already had a mostly complete Three-Body series, but I felt that Chinese readers would respond more readily to a novel like Ball Lightning at that time.
So he definitely already had TBP in mind when writing Ball Lightning.

>>11635380
>>11634683
The funny part is that the First Wallbreaker claims that the Trisolarans don't give a shit if the Earth fleet does get zapped into a quantum state, meaning they probably even have ways to kill people who only exist as quantum probabilities, just demonstrating even more how far behind Trisolaris's capabilities Earth were.

>>11635067
The first.

Is there a better site with book lists than Goodreads? All their lists are plagued by YA. I need solid recommendations, and yeah I've already seen the oh peee.

>>11633769
I stopped after book 1. It was such a Tolkien rip off but with characters I didn’t care about and it was too long, I’ve tried to pick up book 2 a few times but the writing is so poor that I can’t subject myself to that kind of torture.

>>11635819
Google is your friend but what are you looking for (and what have you liked before)?

>>11634705
>multiple dicks
>castration
Ok sure

>>11635867
By being unwilling to get involved with women, the gay men spiritually castrate themselves. It's pretty obvious to me.

>>11635879
You're a fucking moron dude
You have a fucked up worldview

>>11635863
I loved blindisght and hyperion. I don't give a fug about space though, and I'm looking for something more in the vein of blindsight and the way the world is portrayed there. I just want speculative SF. A real attempt to predict how humans will interact with tech in the future. A lot of SF doesn't even try, it works more like a setting than an actual part of the plot.

>>11635894
Read the entire Three Body Problem trilogy, the entire thing is a wide-ranging speculative SF of how humanity will react to hostile first contact with extraterrestrials. The first volume is a little slow and stiff but it's largely setup for the next two books where things go really wild.

>>11635926
Alright, I actually dropped the first book because the chineses were freaking out about physics being completely wrong. I was afraid it was going to turn into fantasy. I guess I'll revisit it.

>>11635894
Read Three Body Problem like that guy said
But also read Annihilation and its sequels

>>11635963
I was listening to the audiobook for annihilation but dropped it because the narrator was dogshit. I guess I'll read it. The movie sucked ass though.

>>11635067
>nazi witches
Are they sexy nazi witches?

>>11634398
>asha'chad
>not a chad'man

>>11635894
Uh, Blue Remembered Earth?

>>11633749
I only had that experience with the Reckoners series. I liked his cosmere books.

>>11635973
I liked her

>>11635977
>shadman

>>11635380
Shiit yeah of course Ding Yi is in TBP. I don't know how I didn't connect them so directly ffs. Also yeah wow the ending is so connected to the observers it's almost a prequel to TBP.
>>11634683
thanks you too anon, helping enlighten my dull mind.

>>11632628
I assume it wasn't knowingly? He let him hang out with Red but didn't think he'd actually go after the sphere

>>11635926
I just finished Three Body Problem and thought it was largely mediocre. Plodding, slow story that could've been told in the space of 20 concise pages. It felt like a long introduction to an actual story.

The best sections were the video game bits, but even those parts were jarring given the capabilities of modern video games.

Do I commit to the rest?

>>11636525
If the first book of a series is mediocre at best, you can probably find something better to read about than more of the same shit.

>>11636525
I had issues with the first book, but the second book changes translators, changes characters and changes gears and I found it a massive step up from the first, in terms of the level of engagement in the plot as well as in terms of the concepts explored. I would say to at least give it a try.

>It gets good after the first book
Literally why should I even bother?

>>11636600
Because the first book is a fraction of the size of the second and third and it's an excellent work of speculative science fiction you massive ADHD cockgobbler.

>>11636611
If you can't be bothered to make the FIRST thing someone will read good why the fuck should I trust that you'll magically make it better later on?

>>11636613
Because the nature of the story is one that requires shitloads of setup and that's what the first book was for, which is why there wasn't a huge payoff.

The book wasn't that bad either, the entire Cultural Revolution section and all the Trisolaris history were interesting and the only really dull parts were when the Wang Miao dude was chatting with people and doing nothing. It could have been shorter, but it wasn't literally garbage.

>>11636657
So pretty much, I have to put blind faith that the author will deliver on things they say early on?

No thanks, I've experienced enough of that.

>>11636677
>blind faith
No, anon, when making a judgment you're supposed to also take into account the experiences and recommendations of multiple other anons, who also described finding the second and third books to be huge improvements on the first, when making a judgment. If you're done trolling, it's your loss and no skin off my back if you never read a single book in the series anyway.

>>11636708
>you're supposed to also take into account the experiences and recommendations of multiple other anons

I did. They all said the first book was shit.

> If you're done trolling

Oh, fuck off. I'm "trolling" because I don't want to wade through garbage on the promise "it gets better!"

>>11633987
eh, trashy romance novels make 'em horny.....

>>11636792
>They all said the first book was shit.
That's hyperbole. From what I've seen in these threads they've been mixed at best, some found it slow, others found it fine, still others found it a mixture of interesting parts and slow parts. Virtually all are in agreement that subsequent books are great. Nice cherrypicking.

If you're done trolling I'm going to stop giving you (You)'s now.

>>11636866
>mixed at best
*mixed at worst

Why are LitRPGs a thing? Just read a Japanese Light Novel or something. The whole "trapped in a fantasy world but with game mechanics somehow becoming real" is such a bottom of the barrel premise.

>>11636929
They sell for some reason.

>>11636931
Probably because 13-15 year olds and autists on /sffg/ like video games.

>>11636942
>>11636946
While this is indeed sad and pathetic. why are you posting it in this thread?

>>11636938
If it's that simple then maybe I should just write my own shittty LitPRG to make a few bucks on the side. I'll make sure to cater to a bunch of fetishes too.

>>11636974
This desu

>>11636866
>Nice cherrypicking.
>From what I've seen...
Please chug a bottle of formaldehyde you hypocritical retard.

>>11636942
>>11636946
Who is he and why is he having a breakdown?

>>11637006
You're not normal enough to be able to exploit autists. Otherwise you wouldn't be here.

>>11635887
Found the eunuch

>>11633769
4 or 5. whatever was current at the time i started reading the series, back in high school, i guess about 15 years ago. i was really into it because i was a dumb highschooler with very little exposure to other books and my whole friend group was into it too. we actually played a years-long game of the WoT roleplaying game (used D&D 3rd ed rules). i was also new to the whole roleplaying thing and didn't realize that my spellcaster (who created a protective dome of hardened air to trap the enemies and then simultaneously channeled a sap of hardened air to knock them all unconscious) was ruining the fun for everyone (especially the DM). good times.

>>11635067
>Fanfic based on my grandpa
i would like to know more

>>11637390
He fucks me in all my holes.

>>11636974
>>11637223

>>11637498
>we live in a world where the number of likes you get on a tweet determines how valid your words are
I want off this ride.

>>11637498
I went to this guy's twitter account and he's begging for good reviews of his new book because the trolls he feeds apparently spammed some bad reviews. Someone should let him know that mixing business with politics with troll feeding on twitter is a bad idea.

I'm a pretty liberal faggot as well, but I sure as shit wouldn't be on the internet crying about politics when I'm also trying to sell my shit. What a fedora tipping retard

>>11636929
It’s like a video game! But real!

>>11631963
Anyone read any good demon or monster hunter stuff lately?

any thoughts on this?

I am currently reading it, at page 300 or so. While I am liking the story, I have a few gripes about the writing. I don't mind all the stalling around it does, but sometimes it will ramble on and on with descriptions that aren't interesting nor appealing, specially that mechanism thing in the city hall or the, uh, awakening of the construct. it will alternate bits of purple-ish prose with very straight-forward ones as well, which makes the break between the two a bit weird and out of place.
that info dump about crisis theory was interesting too, but I wonder how necessary it was, and if I was just impressed because I am dumb.

also, maybe I am nitpicking too much, but...all the random "difficult" words seemingly thrown around at random? yeah, I would get that if it added anything to the style of the text, but it doesn't seem to add anything at all, since most of the story is fast-paced and feels very modern, even though it is set in a sort of victorian era world.

anyone else felt the same? disagree with me and want to elucidate?

>>11637749
I'm sure it would be a masterpiece if it was written like Hemingway

>>11637767

don't. the writing is good overall, I just have a problem with the things I said.

>>11637773
To me it sounds a lot like you read someone call it overwritten shit on /lit/ and now it's confirmation bias working

>>11637838

...can I ask for a decent conversation, please?

if you disagree with me state your reason as to why. making assumptions that I went into the book predisposed to dislike aspects of it won't get us anywhere. if there's more people that share the same views as me, it just makes it all the more worth to be discussed. I saw literally one person only saying this before I wrote the previous reply (and not here), and everyone else disagreed with him. if anything, I was prone to be biased towards liking it, and not the opposite.

and no, I don't think it's "overwritten shit". I already said I am liking the book (in fact I was gonna say "loving", but I thought it would sound a bit of a stretch since I am yet on the first half of it), I just thought some sections of it weren't as good as the whole.

>>11637900
>...can I ask for a decent conversation, please?

>>11637914

a man can dream.

>>11637926
>a man
But you sound like a little bitch.

>>11637934

indeed.

>>11637525
>liberal
Stop being a liberal, faggot, join us

gommies out

>>11637900
It's been years since I read it, so I can't really go into detail, but I don't remember noticing any disjointed parts when it comes to prose style. He obviously just threw all his ideas in, and parts like the ambassador of hell are not really necessary for the story, but on the other hand they made the world feel fleshed out and alive, and the prose style added to the atmosphere. I'm not a native English speaker though, so your mileage may vary on that latter part; I didn't feel like I had to look up any mored words than in an Iain Banks novel and no one ever faults him for using obscure words just to show off his vocabulary, but see how it could be just me not being familiar with the advanced-but-no-obscure stuff.

I'm sorry for being a bit passive-aggresive, the most references to Miéville I've seen here have been of the "who the worst SFF authors besides GRRM, Miéville and the likes" sort and it tends to irk me a bit.

>>11638018
no

>>11638035

Yeah, I didn't mind the bits that were there more for worldbuilding than anything else. The carnival chapter for example felt a bit useless, but was interesting to read. My gripe is more with some sections of prose that really felt gratuitous and not entertaining enough to justify going on and on with it, but yeah, that's highly subjective.
Never read Iain Banks, but I heard he likes them words as well.

...really? I mostly see praises to Miéville overall, and I think they are justifiable. At his best he's great and he's often at it, so I had more to say about when he isn't than his constant mood through the book, because it kept bugging me.

>>11632786

*nothing personal kid*

I got around to finishing Zod Wallop. It was ok.

>>11638462
Okay.

>>11636045
>Blue Remembered Earth
I'll check it out, thanks famalam

>Teacher said that chimneys symbolized human civilization and guaranteed the prosperity and survival of human beings. Those upright chimneys, however, reminded Zhang Tie of his p*nis and the black smoke his seminal fluid. They polluted the air like how the liquid polluted his underwear. Although he couldn’t remember who was in his dream last night, for the third time this week, he could feel something sticky inside his underwear. In this age that severely lacked living necessities, Zhang Tie only had four pairs of underwear. Two pairs were tailored from his father’s torn sweaters, while the other two were his brother’s hand-me-downs. As it was always raining these days, two pairs of his underwear were still wet, including the current one. He only had the last half-dried one left; therefore, he had no other choice but to go to school miserably in this pair of underwear.

The half-wet, coarse cloth turned hard and felt uncomfortable in the trousers. As a result, he always felt pain on his d*ck. It also felt very cold; Zhang Tie couldn’t help but shiver. What’s more is the 15-year old’s d*ck got damaged. What torture!

Is this a necessary way to introduce the protag....

Anyone know a place where I can get these editions of Book of the New Sun books without getting ripped off for shipping (I live in Serbia)?

>>11638623
bookdepository.com picka ti materina. Dostavljaju u Srbiju.
https://www.bookdepository.com/search?searchTerm=the%20book%20of%20the%20new%20sun&search=Find+book

>>11638603
Never had a wet dream in my life. I guess it only happens to people that never fap?

>>11638643

You misunderstand or probably just missed what I wrote.

>THESE EDITIONS

As in, the books with covers done by Bruce Pennington.

Elric or Corum?

>>11638644
Maybe it’s a normie thing

>>11638657
>Bruce Pennington
Why? Those covers suck.

>>11638644
That is why it happens.

>Rand didn't choose Lanfear
Does Jordan even have a willy?

>>11638806
>Asmodean never got an redemption arc
Dude just wanted to play dope music.

Some well read nerd recommended wheel of time to me despite it being a huge time investment. Should i go for it and get a few?

>>11638867
Give the first one a try. If it works for you, may as well keep going. If it doesn't, drop it.

>>11638867
It's unnecessarily long and unfinished. Read something shorter.

>>11638863
And we all know he was saving the ages of legends from Taylor Swift tier music.

>>11638867
>>11638875
The first one is just a shit fellowship

>>11638919
fuck off, boomer scum

>>11638952

>>11638682

Your opinion doesn't matter to me though.

Any sci-fi similarly pulpy/violent/sexist like this? Preferably 80s or early 90s. Currently reading The Forever War which is kinda doing it for me but I want trashier.

>>11636525
Yeah please carry on, the first book is incredibly weak. >>11636530/>>11636600
is the same weirdo who hates on Cixin Liu every thread for no reason other than to provoke me.

_________________________just admit you're racist blud______________

>>11639012
It's a nice drawing but it's gotta be said the guy who drew this just can't have read the book.

>>11639043
Please don't bring that retarded reddit reasoning here.
By your logic half the posters here are black supermacist beacuse they can't stand that fat Mormon.

>>11639043
Literally all I said was that if the first book isn't worth reading then there's no reason to read the rest.

>>11639054
Most cover artists haven't.

>>11639043
Haven't read Three Body Problem but I can't say I'm enthusiastic about the thought of delving into a trilogy by a Chinese writer after reading Ted Chiang's short stories. The speculative ideas were alright, but there was zero emotional impact, and from what I've discerned it's probably the case with Three Body Problem too.

Can we agree everything invloving shallan was fluff and annoying to read even though it was necessary to introduce and build up jhasna? Also kaladin is a whiny bitch and chooses moments to feel morally superior at the cost of himself and his men IE not picking up the shardblade and saving more lives.

>>11639133
I haven't read this yet, but every time someone posts anything about it I feel less and less inclined to.

>>11639155
It's a really fun read, all the characters are just extremely flawed which makes certain decisions frustrating to read. most of it is world building and pretty much all the of the book builds up to the last 200 pages and it knocks it out of the park imo. Worth a read.

>>11635867
Yes, they are rendered unable to reproduce.

How do you enjoy any other SciFi after finishing BOTNS

>>11638682
kys those covers are some of the best covers to be put on a book

>>11638462
What did you think was good and bad?

I liked that it was modern but not the typical urban fantasy, no fae and werewolves etc. I also thought the end was good because it wasn't what I'd expected but was still satisfying. I can see how the drugginess might turn people away but I was ok with it.

>>11638660
Elric then Corum

>>11639065
Nah everyone hates Mormons

Would anyone here recommend black company?

>>11639253
Not really

>>11639253
A few brainlets.

>>11639252
>Nah everyone hates Mormons
Das racis'.

>>11639256
>>11639257
What's wrong with it?

>>11639253
I found it unreadable but if you can get past the writing style I guess people say it's OK

>>11639259
Just another one of thos crappy “epics” with too many chracters

>>11639253
I would, it's pretty comfy overall.

>>11639253
The first 3 books absolutely, the rest is a bonus if you're really into it.

>>11639267
>too many characters
What?

How did the Sword of Truth series ever get popular? Not only is it filled with preachy nonsense , it's filled to the brim with pseudo cuckshit. Like the one part where some chick makes a bond with the female lead that allows everything she feels to be felt by the lead, and then proceeds to let some random guy pound her right in front of the protagonist. Or that other time where she was forced to have sex with another man and enjoyed it only of it to be revealed that the man was the protagonist. The author is also a notorious asshole. The popularity of this series is so jarring.

>>11639307
Why would you want more than one protag

>>11639253
I love the series so my own bias would tell you yes. That said the charm of the series can wear off as you get into the later books.

>>11639336
Croaker remains the protag, you just get a new narrator.

>>11639331
It got popular because libertarians shill it. Like how Scientologists used to buy up pallets of L. Ron Hubbard's books.

>>11639252
Characters and their dialogue were stilted, plot meanders a lot in the middle, headhopping made some things confusing (I'll admit I haven't read many books that do it), and the climax felt like it wrapped everything up too quickly. I'm a brainlet who doesn't really get the ending so take that as you will

>>11639178
I had this with book 1 and 2 but 3 was so fucking long and boring that I couldn't give enough of a shit about that payoff at the end, which was also too damn drawn out

>>11639133
I think your feelings regarding Shallan and Kaladin are pretty widespread. Only the third book in a series that's planned for ten books and people are already sick of two of the primary characters. Though there's supposedly going to be a huge timeskip after book five so maybe the main characters will change. But still, when two of the most prominent leads of your series aren't well received then you have a problem.

>>11639331
The world is filled with stupid people with shit taste that are proud as fuck about it. McDonalds, 50 Shades, the list goes on. (I admit I get cravings for Taco Bell but at least I know it's actually terrible and don't eat it all the time.)

Is A Canticle for Lebowitz "comfy?"

>>11639103
Your mileage may vary. Flat one-dimensional characters are definitely an issue with TBP though for me there was enough emotional impact from parts like the Cultural Revolution chapters and half the shit that went down in The Dark Forest. But the TBP trilogy definitely leans more heavily on the speculative side of things as its main strength.

Just as a nitpick, Ted Chiang isn't Chinese, he's American born to Taiwanese parents. It's not a racial thing, but Liu Cixin writes TBP on a background of having lived through the Cultural Revolution, seen the effects of the rapid development China has made in the past decades, and his history of the Trisolarans and the way they interact with humanity is definitely influenced by having being brought up learning the history of China's dynastic cycles and China's helplessness at the hands of the industrialized powers in the 19th and 20th centuries. So, on a fundamental level, Ted Chiang and Liu Cixin are writing from totally different perspectives.

>>11631963
safehand

>>11639103
>>11639586

>>11639689
>cringe
>always Mad Online TM
>fanbase of channers

>true craftsman
>zero social media presence
>universally highly regarded
>bonus: movie deal which starred milfy qt3.14 amy adams

What do you think of horus heresy /lit/?
It's a copy paste of paradise lost, as told by 40k. I like most of it, but it's too God damn long. Cant get invested in many characters becuse their arcs get buried under 50+ books. The whole thing can be condensed into 3-4 books and would be better for it

I read Dune and thought it was overrated. Is it better in historical context or what? Why is it so highly rated. Im not saying its shit btw, just overrated.

>>11639937
>Dude acid lmao
>Dude water
>Dude colonialism

etc etc.

Best bit of the book was the space worm.

>>11639947
The psychadelic part way pretty gay. My fave stuff was the comfy fremen life scenes where paul learned the value of water and shit, seeing him adapt to their culture.

>>11639957
I remember thinking the ending was pretty boring.

>>11639973
The ending felt a little to abrupt for me

>>11639926
You answered your own question. Its shit becuse it's too long.
The few books iv read themselves are sub par to middlingly good, but it stretches it way to far. It can be condensed Into 3 books
>horus turns evil
>civil war
>build up, then final battle, and ending

Absolutely loved this book, a compelling story that had good characterization of the world and why people would become cannibals. I'm looking for more books like this that give me a compelling fantastic culture, especially ones that seem taboo to our modern sensibilities.

That or Mil Sci Fi, I've been reading some Baen books lately.

LADS AM THINKING OF READING GARDENS OF THE MOON

DONT MAKE ME DO IT LADS

>>11640036
Reminder that there is literally nothing wrong with cannibalism

>>11640057
Think of your family, anon. It's a slippery slope.

>>11640057
Another one lost.

I read the Mistborn trilogy a few years ago and it was enjoyable, but it really felt like I was reading some Young Adult fiction.

Is this sheer snobbery? Did any of you guys feel the same?

>>11640036
>>11640079
>why people would become cannibals
Tips fedora.

>>11639331
It's actually decently written, the first few books aren't as crazy, and finally and most importantly, it contains massive amounts of BDSM leather fetish porn. You can't seriously tell me you read a series about fighting a magical dominatrix army with your succubus girlfriend and then taking over that dominatrix army and marrying said succubus and not understand why people read it. For god's sake doesn't half the first book take place in a sex dungeon?

>>11640110
No, Sanderson's stuff is really YA but the industry doesn't think male YA authors sell so they just slap them as "adult" and move on most of the time.

>>11640146
The first few books aren't that bad, but after a certain point it just goes full retard.

>>11640139
he has a good point but if there were no laws against murder that faggot would get stomped.
>wearing a choker
>male

>>11640153
Gotcha. I'm surprised he's so acclaimed. He constructs good worlds so I guess that's part of it. Exciting enough plots and twists.

Who are some Fantasy authors that aren't basically YA?

>>11640159
I found all the crazy shit fun, at least up until the entire book about three random retarded peasants who never accomplish anything and are instantly killed by the protagonist in the last five pages. That was a little too much for me, but apparently because of that I missed the evil pacifists and the invisible chicken.

You can't tell me the great war between wizard Hitler and his army of dominatrices vs demonic super-rapist Stalin and his forces of ultra-communist rape squads wasn't entertaining.

>>11640199
>You can't tell me the great war between wizard Hitler and his army of dominatrices vs demonic super-rapist Stalin and his forces of ultra-communist rape squads wasn't entertaining.
Makes me sick, motherfucker, how far we done fell.

Is it worth it to read this as an adult? I don't like edgy or dark fantasy or stuff that is too generic.

>>11640359
It's pretty great, and neither generic nor edgy.

>>11639012
Does Anon have the rest of those jpgs? They make nice backgrounds.

>>11639937
>space bedouins
Yeah I didn't get it either. It was ok but I don't want to read any more of the series. For me it isn't a time thing. I love other older stuff like Zelazny and Bester.

>>11639448
Ok thanks. It gave me feels but I like to get other points of view. If you want to try something different, Downloading Midnight is a cyberpunk short story he wrote.

>>11640139
>>11640168
unzipped pants
acne
bowlcut
trash stacked on floor

>>11640359
I'm so tired of grimderp. If you don't mind a heroine with an animal sidekick, Sabriel is worth a read because the magic is unique and the setting isn't yet another medievalesque world again. YA gets a lot of hate here but there are some good books.

>>11640668

The trouble is they're not high res, so they can only work as phone backgrounds.

>>11640036
Oh shit, Rowena! Hahahaha. It's so '80s. I love retro sff art.

>>11635067
Grandpa or Ten Commandments. Depends on your grandpa, and the Ten Commandments thing is so specific that it sounds like you actually have a story ready in mind.

>>11640680
>YA gets a lot of hate here but there are some good books.
I think I am more inclined to like YA than most, most of the really classic fantasy that has stood the test of time was written for children. But there is a fine art to figuring out before you read it which of it is good and which is crap like Eragon and I haven't mastered it yet.

>>11639937
>historical context
Yeah, basically. For a long time it was the only SF novel that was both popular and even moved the needle on "literary merit". When it was published, it was competing against shit like Lensman and Heinlein's juveniles.

It also was (and is) a pretty dense work. Dune's a pretty beefy novel that doesn't have a lot of padding, from a time before endless fantasy series and when the typical SF novel was 150-200 pages. And it's quite imaginative and serious, again when print SF was 150 pages of Johnny McBrick punching out robots and cinema SF was guys in shiny jumpsuits.

>>11632657
It's my favorite Vance series. "Ecce and Old Earth" introduces split point of view, so it's got that and a female protagonist going for it. "Araminta Station" is easily the strongest of the three but there's no reason not to read the trilogy--it isn't like Vance starts tugging at braids and smoothing skirts to fill pages.

Kirdy's madness is the most interesting feature of the series, I feel. Glawen is Kirth Gersen with a little more depth and the development of the characters from teenagers into early adulthood adds interest, bringing the continuous generational replenishment of society into contrast with the alleged stagnation of Charter constraint.

The series also contains one of my favorite Vance quotes:
>Parochialism derives, apparently, from an innocent egotism, which, if verbalized, would express itself thus: “Since I choose to live in this place, it therefore and perforce must be excellent in all its aspects."

What are some good fantasy books that capture a port city/sailor culture really well?

Playing the new WoW expansion and absolutely adore Kul Tiras.

>>11640904
>ywn be so good that your fanbase starts a press just to keep your work in print.

I thought Kirdy's madness and Yip nonchalance were implied to be related, that he was deliberately exposed to something in their environment. At any rate he killed Sessily before the Yips tortured him so odds are he was just fucking with Glawen on their getaway.

Glawen isn't anywhere near as much of a badass as Kirth Gersen, which I liked -- shows Vance put some thought into what he could and couldn't do. Also liked how Vance contrasts the personal dynamism of the "stodgy status quo" types with the petty venality of the opposing party. That kind of stuff's always unfair in fiction but I liked his style, even if I admit it plays into my biases.

Thanks for the rec on the rest of the trilogy; I was leaning that way but you clinched it.

is this a fair breakdown of the major magazines:

asimov's - gotta be professional or amazing to get in
clarkesworld - pulpy, have to conform strictly to the editor's strict guidelines
fantasy and science fiction - same as asimov's but allows some fantasy
igms - kind of conservative
strange horizons - sjw central

>>11640923
Kind of Lies of Locke Lamora. It takes place in a fantastical Venice

>>11640939
Strange Horizons is squarely on the left yes but it also seems more "Excuse me we are being SERIOUS about WRITING" from what I've read of it, which is mainly the reviews and articles.

Like they had a pretty good article a few weeks ago that a examination of the disabled characters in the Vorkosigan series that aren't afforded the same patronage network and wealth that the protagonist has for being son of the prime minister/regent and also the emperor's playmate and best friend.

>>11640937
You're welcome. You might like "The Gray Prince" if you haven't already read it; he plays out a similar political scenario in it.
>Yip nonchalance
I hadn't thought of it that way. He does sort of allude to that being a possibility with their diet preventing conception with foreigners. They are interesting as "natives" with their aloof sobriety; he doesn't paint them (or their counterparts in "The Gray Prince") as needing Whitey McSpaceman to save them, instead focusing on relative technological differences as justification of their condition. Very much the individualist while maintaining a distance in perspective, realizing that things are the way they are because now is when the hoodoos are stacked in this order but in the future all bets are off, unless men will it so.

I want a fantasy book (not in a series of more than 3 books, less is better) where the protagonist has to struggle for every success and they're rarely in a position where they're certain of succeeding.

>>11640828
Yeah, most of the YA I like is the older stuff: Prydain, The Dark is Rising, Narnia, The Phantom Tollbooth, The Jungle Books. (I grew up before Harry Potter. I thought it was a good series but it isn't a classic for me.)

It's trial and error for new books with a lot of nopes but I liked the Jinx series by Sage Blackwood a lot. The first one was good and each book just got better and better.

>>11641036
>not in a series of more than 3 books, less is better
It's standalone.
>the protagonist has to struggle for every success
Imagine a level 1 scrub thrown into a level 20 or so quest with everyone thinking he's level 99, and you'll be about close to the shit he's going through.
>they're rarely in a position where they're certain of succeeding
He's a bunny.

>>11640893
Eh I dunno, SF already had the new wavers by that point.
I think it was just a sci-fi series that could appeal to fantasy fans. So it had broad appeal with a number of people.

>>11632657
What do people like about lyonesse? It's just a series of random events carelessly strapped together. Nothing that happens has any effect on the overall plot. Characters just move from one place to the next, get in some silly, irrelevant trouble, then move on towards the story's predictable ending.

>>11641192
>Nothing that happens has any effect on the overall plot

This isn't quite true, but I understand what you're getting at. I will say that even at his "worst" in this regard (which is Lyonesse, by the way) he still manages to drive the action forward better than plodding page-packers like GRRM or Robert Jordan.

Vance's novels are really more about the journey than the destination. The "silly, irrelevant trouble" is supposed to be entertaining; if it isn't, maybe he's not for you.

>>11641206
>The "silly, irrelevant trouble" is supposed to be entertaining; if it isn't, maybe he's not for you.
Well said.

Some folks think all fantasy must be monolithic evil versus plucky self-insert hero who will save the world.
I think Vance is best savored once you've moved past--or become jaded by--the delights of this concept or that or that unlikely possibility or yet another juvenile capeshit power fantasy and you would just like to read a dude pwning hard with the English language in genres absurdly foreign to that skill.
If it isn't that time for you yet, just wait.

>>11641206
>>11641230
Everything that's written on the book should have some purpose. If it's just meant to entertain and make for a good story, well enough. Like half of pic related was also just about the main characters getting into silly shenanigans on their way to the destination, and that was pretty great too.

Plus, such irrelevant sidequests can still give the impression that the goal is somewhere far away, and that simply getting there is an adventure in itself.

>>11640036
Been reading "the lost regiment" lately. Basically American civil war with nomadic aliens that see humans as cattle as the bad guys. It's fun but not so much scifi.

>>11633728
>full of shit
>Malazan
I don't get it. What did he mean by this?
>>11633769
When they went into the desert and the girls jogged naked around the camp, whichever book that was.

>>11641206
>>11641230
I understand where you're coming from. Vance's books (just like most fantasy and sci fi of the day) have this folkish, ancient feel to them. Events are not interdependent and don't form a big, interrelated arch. I get that. The problem is that you could tell he did so out of time constraints, and mostly for money, not out of some conscious artistic decision. His plots have glaring holes in them, and usually end in absurd or almost random ways.
I agree though that lyonesse isn't his best series. He wrote better books.

>>11641380
>he did so out of time constraints, and mostly for money
Absolutely. He said so himself.
>not out of some conscious artistic decision
My guess is he held the opposite view; that speculative fiction was more than faintly ridiculous and the best you could do was make some bucks off of it while writing amusingly baroque dialogue.

How come there are no autistic people in these wuxia stories

>>11641430
every single mc enemy is autistic
what are you talking about

>yfw you'll never live in a cozy house in post war Oakland with a qt wife that supports your writing career.

You fantasy fags are getting awfully annoying.

>>11641608
Then hide the thread and don't let yourself be bothered by us.

>>11641622
No it's better for everyone if you leave.
Shoo-shoo.

What xianxia are you reading right now?

>>11641915
lohp

>>11641915
I realized they're all the same, every arc is a repeat of the last, and it will always take me at least 300 chapters to figure that out and stop. I really think you could write a good story in xiaxia style, the settings are always interesting, and the rival sects, ancient magic, and antagonistic cosmology are great. But instead every character interaction boils down to three or four canned scenes and all conflicts are either completely anticlimactic one-sided stomps or shallow and uninteresting.

>>11641969
I think this can all be solved by changing one thing: make the protagonist a dumbass. Just like how every japanese shonen protagonist being an idiot obsessed with friendship gets tiring, so does every xiaxia protagonist being an amoral sociopathic genius prodigy with perfect acting skills.

So make the main character a bad liar with no poker face, unable to tactfully avoid conflict, with poor impulse control.

>>11641978
Switch the protagonists around. Bring a genius prodigy sociopath to your otherwise generic isekai, and take the awkward accidentally-pervert retard into xiaxia.

I'm sure it could shake up both genres a little. Especially if you make it a thing in-universe: both of them crash into one another on their magical journey to the adventure site, end up mixing up paths.

>>11641984
>shonen boy falls face-first into the princess's breats and is confined in a crystal prison for 10,000 yaears as punishment
>xiaxia cultivator seeks ancient power to destroy his destined enemy but all the heroes keep attacking him because they think HE'S the demon king

>>11641098
>level
I hope that's a figure of speech. Did you write that? I will give it a try.

>>11641999
>I hope that's a figure of speech
It is. This isn't litRPG.

>>11641999
>I hope that's a figure of speech
Do I look like the kind of anon who'd recommend litRPG to anyone?

>>11641998
start writing now

>>11639088
What about if people explicitly say "the first book is bad but they get better". Is this such a hard concept to stomach? Considering the writer is from a polar opposite culture to ours, complete with a mutually unintelligible language barrier and a literal authoritarian government breathing down his neck, is it too much to ask that his first book released in the west isn't as stunning as the rest of his work?

>>11639103
Chiang's from New York, Liu is the real Chinese deal. However, yeah the TBP trilogy is definitely more focused on speculative ideas than characters or emotional impact, so perhaps it's not for you.

>>11642100
And what if I explicitly say "If the first book is shit then I'm not going to wade through it on the promise the others get better" Is that such a hard concept to stomach? Quit whining because some anonymous person on an imageboard said your favorite book isn't even worth picking up to them.

>>11642100
>it gets better
That's a pretty standard defense on everything long whenever someone doesn't like the first part. If I listened every time, I'd have all my free time booked for years.

So when did /sffg/ fell in love with BotNS?

>>11642144
The thread in general or me personally? Because the book have been praised on /lit/ since before generals was really a thing.

>>11642144
I never finished Shadow of the Torturer myself.

>>11642144
shilled here since before /sffg/ was even a thing

>>11641969
>I really think you could write a good story in xiaxia style
Cradle Series by Will Wight
https://send.firefox.com/download/241870e910/#3lmRxYkwSHcUgA2a3s9MkA

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Dune will become obsolete when people will stop blindly following charismatic leaders, which unfortunately I don't think will happen any time soon.

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>Jinx series by Sage Blackwood
good recc

just read the first book, quite enjoyable

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When did /sffg/ become a thing?

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maybe 2015 from memory? I'm sure someone else will know exactly

before then there were irregular generic fantasy and/or science fiction threads though, as well as specific threads about various books/series/authors/genres/etc

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