/lit/ - Literature

>>11663314
You'd be right though.

And remove all reason and accountability?

Why does everyone on /lit/ have mommy issues today?

>>11663358
4chan is one of the last refuges of incels. If someone here doesn't genuinely hate women, then he's joining in nonetheless because he thinks it's how we act here and wants to belong.

>>11663355
Based Nicholson quad-dubs

>>11663367
What if i hate all women except my wife?

>>11663380
Then you have to get out

>>11663367
I genuinely hate women but dress up as a woman and get fucked in the ass by men what does this make me

>>11663554
Your hatred of your opposite sex is for what they -are- in their core, rather than the superficial choices of their clothing or hairstyle or jewelry. I see nothing wrong with it.

>>11663367
>make trite "ha ha women am i right" joke
>this must mean you hate women and are a mentally ill virgin and something something freud

pure reaction

>>11663358
Not all of us had good upbringings, Mr. Perfect.

>>11663367
>if you hate women you're an incel
You also imply that the only thing of value a virgin man can derive from a women is sex

>>11663558
I am okay with this

>>11663314
Cringe

>>11663367
Making jokes about women means you hate them. Stop with your projection faggot

>>11663367
As a frequent user of 4chan in my free time since 2009, I have never expressed a hatred of women.

>>11663554
>>11663558
>>11663580
WHY do you hate them? This says more about your motives and potential justification than some stranger on a North Korean forced labour forum can ever tell you.

>>11663575
No, you infer that. Incels are bitter toward women because they see them as trophies or sexual objects rather than people - which is why women (as real, functional, flawed individuals) don't want to fuck them, and why OP's pic can't wrap its head around 'his own' good writing advice.

OP here, I'm a girl, think about that for a moment

>>11663999
woah......

>>11663367
reddit newfag go and stay go

>>11663367
I'm a married neo-boomer woman and I hate women since I can remember for beeing retarded as a whole and backstabbing cunts. Women are like migrants. Nobody would make such a big fuzz if they would at least be gratefull for how they get everything served on a silver tabled by white men with scar ridden hands. There is nothing worse than loud cumbuckets "writers" kvetching for more attention.

>>11663554
Isn't it obvious? You hate women because they failed to serve your sexual and maybe even emotional needs. You suppose that all women have failed ultinately. Thus, to take revenge, you dress up and act like a woman and seduce men to make them competition and show them what a real woman is supposed to.be like.
That's the whole deeper motivation of the sissy movement i think at least to some degree.
Also you are just lonely. Women have tejected you because you are a failed man. You decided that it's not your fault but womens fault. So you refuse to change and thus are left with sexual and emotiinal energy stuck in your organism. This is almost always the slippery slope towards bi or homosexual relations.

>>11663999
>>11664028
>what is selection bias
I too am a representative of the mythical 50% of the population born with vaginas. Have you ever considered that maybe you;re just a cunt who can only maintain interaction with other cunts?

>>11664029
Men become sissies because the women around them try to act like strong men and dress like dikes. The more feminine a woman is the more masculine a man will want to be. This is natural human bahaviour. But we told women that they need to act like men and than wonder why the whole MtF retardetion is a thing.

Although the fact that boys in most cases don't have a single positive role model in their whole life and get blamed for everything makes them even more likely to simple cease beeing a woman.

Stop blaming the men which are obviously the victims of a degenerate society. Ask hos many of them had a father or male teacher at least and you'll get a idea where we have gone wrong.

>>11664046
Yeah, that's why my hatred is based on statistics, human evolution and 35 years of encountering "I'm not like the other girls"-women, always falling back into their eternal persona. But maybe that's just the fact that women tend to stay at the middle grounds of the bell curve, rarely stepping above average.

>>11664046
>if you don't fit in into beeing a iloyal roastie with nothing further in their mind than beeing a intellectual-pseud and acting offended by men existing you are clearly a cunt
It's time to cull redtarded XX. It's not like most of them aren't already infertile by choice. Nothing of value would be lost.

>>11664060
"I'm not like other girls" is a product of society. Why hate 50% of the populace for something they were taught to do by all the catty media, all those movies with just one token chick? We're trained to believe that if we're good enough and tear others down enough, maybe that chick will be us. How is that helpful for anyone, when instead we could be learning and understanding and growing better together, for the betterment of all society?

For that matter, why hate the other 50% for the behaviours to which they've been conditioned? What's the benefit of attempting to ruin those around us when we have the capacity to be infinitely more constructive?

>>11664072
You clearly don't understand the point of
>what is selection bias
friendo. I am merely making a point. And I happen to love men, and women, and also the potential of humanity. What drives your hatefulness? Have you ever considered ohter paths?

>>11664076
>Why hate 50% of the populace for something they were taught to do by all the catty media
I don't hate all women. It's a person-to person based system. If I encounter a woman not able to keep up with my basic standards of not beeing a shit human, she gets put into the ever growing trash pile.

I understand that the media is mainly at fault, and that women by nature will have less of them beeing intelligent enough to see through the veil but that still doesn't change that looking down on their behaviour is a good tool to socially correct it. I always tell them when they disgust me, many have at least tried to change but never really go all the way.

Social shaming is a great tool and that's exactly of women (and men) have been keept in check for millenia. Shaming is good.

>>11664084
>y so hatefull :(
Hate the sin not the sinner. I hate female specific bad behaviour when expressed by them. I would wish for them to change but I am just a lone woman myself and have more importnat things to do than to push a whore to repent.

>>11664090
What makes you think fewer women are intelligent enough to notice this? Are you convinced the noticing is based on intelligence, or is it possible that focus is the key? And if so, do you think there's some inherent flaw in females which makes them less observant?

If it's #notallwomen that you hate, why not describe the behaviours that you dislike rather than tarring a vast swathe of humanity with one brush? Do you think that this is a useful way to discuss the issue, or is this more likely to increase, encourage, and confirm baseless misogyny (especially in a forum as notoriously women-hating as 4chan)?

How clearly is this communicating what you really want to say?

>>11663314
I think of a man, and strip off all reason and accountability.

>>11664096
>female-specific bad behaviour
I totally agree! This is foul, and it gives all women a bad name. What are you hoping to accomplish by contributing to that? Particularly as a woman yourself?

>>11663355
>>11664105

>>11664102
>What makes you think fewer women are intelligent enough to notice this?
Bell curve. Women are more likely to stay in the normie sphere of around 100 while men are both more likely to be geniuses as well as retards. Biologically logical, as risking outlyers in women would drastically cull their womb capacities, while men could bottle neck to 10% and still refertile a whole population.

So, while on average both are of similar intelligence, finding a fellwo 130 woman is like finding a unicorn.

>why not describe the behaviours that you dislike rather than tarring a vast swathe of humanity with one brush
Because it's not a human problem, it's the problem of female nature without constrain. Sure, men o a smaller scale can be backstabbing as well, buttheir pride and male peers would shun that far more readily than the female peer-bubble does it. Criticising females today is a sacrilige and I am not going to bend my knee before this culture.

>>11664107
Social shame is not bad behaviour. It's necessary for a society to function. And my part as a fellow woman is to show them that just having a cunt doesn't make them able to do whatever they please o the back of men.

>>11664119
It is not a sacrilege to criticise anyone; the hallmark of a robust ideology is its ability to withstand, and especially to welcome, debate. Our culture is flawed on so many levels, but where is the basis of your specific premise that this is a fault of femininity? Males have historically killed each other over the chance to rape and reproduce with another tribe. Does this make aggression and sexual violence a fundamental masculine flaw? Or are these examples of a nature from whence we come, but to which we no longer need to bow? Can humans overcome patterns of behaviours, or are we merely animals? This might be the root of our disagreement.

Also, consider yourself talking to a unicorn, I guess. Intelligent women are not uncommon in my university town, so I had no idea some people were so starved for rational conversation.

>>11664029
That may make sense to some extent. Maybe that's why I get off so much to getting "straight" guys to cheat on their girlfriends with me. The one time I fucked a "straight" guy in the ass while his gf was out was probably the hardest I've ever cum in my entire life.

>>11664125
In my opinion, no-one should be able to belittle or take advantage of others based on genitalia. I don't refer to shaming, but rather to your methods; yes, it's unacceptable for women to "do whatever they please on the back of men" just because they have vaginas. No, this is not the intent or experience of most women - so why do you say you hate all women in your original posts, rather than clarifying your very valid actual points?

My point here is that you are fueling the fire of misogyny and allowing all women-haters to say, "Look! She's ONE OF THEM and she agrees with us! Women must be truly vile!"

As a population, humans are diverse and individualistic. What is the value in perpetuating such stereotypes, *especially* if that wasn't your intent?

>>11664138
It's the LACK of femininity, not it's fault. You can blame the culture just as much as the fact that we feed our girls hormons to prevent them from fulfilling the role of a mother while teaching them how to take two dicks simultanously in the ass.

>Does this make aggression and sexual violence a fundamental masculine flaw?
Not if it's socially corrected through peers. You will e hardly pressed to find a group of white guys celebrating a rapist. Meanwhile a whole country will laugh at a boy getting raped by a woman. Our nature needs culture to be tamed. Men currently get sterilised while women get told to behave like demons.

>Can humans overcome patterns of behaviours
Of course, but rarely from within. Especially not if you are talking about whole populations. The chance has to be enforced, as it was prior though necessity of not getting caught with another mans dick in their mouth to not end up in the washhouse. Today cheating is celebrated. This change with be violent, as neither those in power nor the "sexually liberated" women will want to give up their priviliges.

>Intelligent women are not uncommon in my university town
No idea where you're from but 98% of all women in my metropolian uni town study trash pseud-sciences and think of themselves as "intellectual" while beeing little more than ideologically driven authoritarian princesses paid by daddy. The remaining 2% is studying proper STEM/MINT subjects and doesn't ave time to spent it IRL.

I dislike writing female characters. I want to write them as complex and nuanced individuals, basically in the same manner I would write a man. But I know that that isn't true and it's just an idealization that exists in my mind. To write a female character as a human is to create a dishonest piece of work. It would only make sense in some sort of fantastical setting, where I could at least justify it to myself in some way.

>>11664153
>what are generalization of a nearl complete population
Welcome to 4chan.

>women haters
I actually want men to see through cunt faces and see how I see women as mainly shitty people, spare the unicorn. The hate towards this behaviour needs to be fueled and the people which kvetch about it are nearly always those siply afraid of getting to taste their own medicine.

>stereotypes
Ask me how I know that you do not study anything of value or you would know that having stereotypes aka eeing able to see patterns is a evolutionary sign of intelligence.

>>11664159
Can you show that shame is a valid tactic for social correction in any field, when compared to education? Have you ever changes someone's mind or underlying assumptions with shame, or just surface behaviours (temporarily at that)?

Apparently feminism means something different in the USA, but here it's defined as equal rights for all, regardless of genitals. It is appalling to me that anyone could celebrate rape of any person; this attitude of females as 'better' than males is equally harmful to the centuries of 'might makes right' oppression which females historically experienced.

The arts remind us of our fundamental ability to progress beyond dumb beasts. I personally think they are grossly undervalued, and a significant portion of our societal decay is directly attributable to the decline in their study. Only historians remember why Rome fell, and all our leaders these days come from STEM - valuable contributors to human knowledge, but how can one discipline or school possibly hope to see the full picture?

>>11664178
Do you think unicorns will be treated better if men generally detest women? Do you enjoy having to prove your intelligence and rationality at every turn, and regularly having your opinions and contributions discarded anyway just because you're female? How much worse do you think that will get?

>ask me how I know you didn't read my post closely enough to understand it
The stereotypes in question are the ones that you denounced when you said 'not all women (just the cunt faces)'. I asked why you say you hate women hen it is actually certain female behaviour with which you have an issue. You conveniently ignored this question.

I can supply my educational background if you'd like, but it's not really relevant to a conversation on a South Korean tai chi forum, and I doubt you'd believe me because this is the internet.

>>11663554
A homosexual.
You want their access to your preferred mates, not necessarily to genuinely be one.

>>11664234
>Can you show that shame is a valid tactic for social correction
People were never better educated or had the ability of education than today, while shame is nearly criminalized. 500 years back the clear opposite was the case, even as far as 100 years back for the most part.

People only start to rethink if they feel something in their behaviour is truly wrong, attacking through shame womens deep desire to match the culture and their peers makes them rebot and this opens the gate for swallowing some hard pills about their behaviour.

>feminism
>equal rights for all
>The arts
I am sorry, for a moment I truly believed I have been chatting with a at least slightly above average female. Go haven't even started the journey and I don't have the ime today to be wanderers companion today.

With a proper classical education you would know your art and history before even going off to university. And don't tell me you learn proper art there today.

>Do you think unicorns will be treated better if men generally detest women?
Yes, because even the most incel men actually respect those women which earned their respect. But eve if not, I'm in for the Volk not myself. I would sacrifice my personal well beeing if that would mean we could turn back the time and get a fresh start.

>proving your intelligence
Yes, this reminds me that there are more intelligent people out there and that I can always learn something new. I have yet to encounter a men discard which has discarded my opion beyond shitposts because I most of the time can prove my position and reason. And the men are right to not expect to muh from the average woman.

>you ignored the question
Read again. >>11664178

I do not need your background, you proved yourself to not meet the intellectual basic through your definition of feminism and you studying art in the west. You have the best educational tools available and you still spread nonsense believes so I have to conclude that it's the intern computing power at fault.

If you want to reply, stop this rethorik "just asking questions" stuff, which makes me explain everything to you, wasting my leizure time and be more precise and make your own points, like a proper discussional opponent.

>>11664169
Based.

>>11664283
I'm genuinely saddened by the narrow-minded finality of your response.

An argument is not a contest or a battle. It's a chance to get closer to the truth. And yet you avoid my valid questions, provide no scientific basis for your beliefs, and not only can you not find evidence within my posts for your ad hominem attacks, you simply don't have enough total information about me to reasonably assume most of the things with which you're trying to dismiss my arguments. In this, you are protecting the current state of your ego by throttling its potential for growth.

I pity you and hope that this is an isolated incident of tiredness or frustration or anonymity, not the way you would usually engage with the world and its innumerable opportunities.

>>11664346
It's effectivness which saddens you. There is no sense in trying to fill up a glass beyond its rim.

>And yet you avoid my valid questions
>no scientific basis
I have just answered every one of your questions and provided logical explanations and terms for you to look up to if you disbelieve me. Don't try to shaffle your deck and pick another rethorical devise trying to scavenge this discussion.

You didn't make any arguments, you asked leading questions which I replied with explanations and arguments to prove my actions right and helpful. This whole conversation in its details showed me that you are the pseud-intellectual I criticised in on of my first posts.

You playing the "I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed and pitying you" card, doesn't work for me, because I do not care for the feelings of those not able to grasp the most basic concepts. One has to be a peer to use peer-pressure. Even your seemingly final response is overloaded with the despised feels>reels language. Trying to play the mother goose after running out of acual arguments. Been there, see enought of it.

Reflect upon your life and your educational path if you truly want to change todays society at least a little while I'm going to cater to my kids which hopefully will grow up in a better world thanks to me.

>>11664382
The style I employ is called the Socratic method; you might want to look it up.

You have selected only the questions for which you have convenient answers, answers which fit with your worldview, and evaded the questions which might assist in the broadening of your mind. I hope that our discussion has been informative for someone, because it looks like you value 'winning' over learning, and you haven't provided me with much in the way of new or convincing information, at least as far as I can recognise - please correct me if I'm wrong!

Please also understand that I am scavenging nothing; I openly invite you to provide facts and arguments to better inform my stance and improve or change my perspective, if I'm not presently correct. 'Knowing' is the most dangerous possible opinion in academia, because if I 'know' something, I will not engage, study, explore, or discover.

Your opinion of me is irrelevant; I don't care how I come across; I'm not trying to prove or 'peer-pressure' you into anything; this interaction is, above all, a learning opportunity, a chance for us to interrogate reality (ideally together but you don't seem overly keen on that) and uncover something closer to its fabric than what we previously understood. Why even bother to do it otherwise?

I'm also not playing cards, or deliberately fobbing you off in the way you appear to be dismissing me. I'm responding authentically in an effort to understand you, and maybe help you understand where I'm coming from. Your inability to engage with this is sincerely, deeply saddening, because it mimics so much of what is visibly broken in modern society, and what I believe will eventually lead to the 'next fall of Rome'.

I wish you and especially your children all the best.

>>11663314
Lol
Women are objects, not people tho

>>11664465
>evaded the questions which might assist in the broadening of your mind
If I overread one of your mindblwoing questions, consider it a mistake and feel free to copy them. I doubt any of them would have changed anything, as everyone else got you standing with your back to the wall.

> it looks like you value 'winning' over learning
I get the feeling that you do not really read what I am writting.

>>proving your intelligence
>Yes, this reminds me that there are more intelligent people out there and that I can always learn something new.

Maybe that's aswell where all your "unanswered questions" lie.

I a very sorry that you wanted a indepth discussion on all those topics on which you are mistaken, just to name the definition of feminism as the most laughable one, on a taiwaneses pizza spelunking raid central. I would need to invest more time to even begin to explain to you the most rudimental parts, let alone the more complex ones like why misogyny at the moment is a good thing, than I am willing to in someone so far deep down the rabbid hole on the opposite side of the planet. Most likely you would understand were I am coming from but still latch upon your very own worldview, because realising what I would tell you would mean that you would change your whole life and that is something one can only do with people which have an emotional bond with oneself. And that all hoping that the thread doesn't 404 long before that. I have limited time on this planet and therefore need to calculate where to invest myself in. So should you, if you ever want to get children of your own. WIth each year you waste on a useless degree learning politically motivated propaganda, your eggs waste away. If you trully believe to be a unicorn, you would want to give those gens onto your children, instead of chasing a degree for your ego.

Although I have to say, it is most amusing that someone like you would use Rome as an example. You should read about female liberation during every empires dying days if you're sincerely interested in what's moving us into the end of this cycle.

God willing my children will be prepared for what is coming.

>>11664544
G-dposters really need to be eradicated

>>11663314
What do you write, OP?

>well how do you write such good female characters?
>I never wrote a female character. Why are you assuming their genders?

>>11663358
>today
r/incel was shut down late '17, so they came here.

>>11664553
I fail to see the connection between her post and religion, anon...?