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>>11777777
nice

Mods confirmed atheists if this gets deleted

But then who was Muhammed

>>11777777
Much love anon

>>11777777
God is Lobster

>>11777777
DUDE SICK YO-YO SKILLS LMAO

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>>11777777
>six times seven
>not seven times seven

Judaism confirmed

>>11777777
blessed

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>>11777797
What's the difference between The Father and God? Aren't they suppose to be the same thing?

>>11777777
Arians confirmed BTFO

>>11778052
That's exactly what it says bro

>>11777777
Now I’m a believer.

>>11777777
God does not exist.

>>11777787
Big if true

dear diary today op was not gay

>>11777777
Yet another religious GET. Go figure.

>>11777777
Hallelujah!

>>11777777
God is that in which you manifest necessary faith. Necessary because you have to start somewhere. And this necessary axiom is not a fact, but a way or mode of being, which is to say: a personality.

>2018
>sky fairy

Haha

>>11778182
Cute singles!

>>11777777
Dubs confirm

>>11777777
>Satan is real

>>11777777
based and christpilled

>>11778226
it's "breadpilled"

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>>11778086
Why the need for the father if there is a god tho?

>>11777777
sticky plz mods

>>11778305
three hypostases one ousia

>>11778321
Why not just the son and the holy spirit then? I mean, reading Mark i only see references to the "father" and nothing about God. Isn't it a bit redundant to include god into the whole picture if there already is a father in the trinity ?

>>11778335
>Why not just the son and the holy spirit then?
>Isn't it a bit redundant to include god into the whole picture if there already is a father in the trinity ?
Bone up on your theology, guy. For a start try looking at the diagrams of the Trinity in this thread. God the Father is in Scripture, Jesus refers to Him as our "heavenly father" or "father in heaven" and is never described in detail. He is the cat that sees all and knows how and when you are praying in secret, and the evil in your heart. Later artists represent Him by a sunburst and/or a cloud. He is not Jesus Christ, nor the Holy Spirit (described in 2 Gal 5). He is the Father.

>>11777777
Nice digit. This is now a Bible discussion thread.

>>11777789
false prophet.

>>11778335
the father is a hypostasis, the term god refers to the shared essence of all three

>>11778417
>God the Father is in Scripture, Jesus refers to Him as our "heavenly father" or "father in heaven" and is never described in detail.

Source? Mark doesn't include those passages as far as i remember

>>11778426
So if god is the shared essence what is the father suppose to represent then? Jesus refers to the father as an equivalent to god, so why include god above the god jesus is referencing?

>>11777777
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>>11778452
uhhh Matthew 6:9? the Lord's Prayer, "Our Father, who art in heaven, etc etc...?" and Matt 6 more generally as well. Also appears in Luke 11.

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>>11778508
>Our Father, who art in heaven

So basically God. Why the need to make a distinction between the father and god, again?

>>11778519
You're ignoring that other anon, potentially because you haven't yet looked up what a hypostatic union is. Look carefully at OP's painting.

>So basically God.
Yes but where are you getting your definition of God. The only reason you think it's redundant is because you've grown up associating "God" with the Father.

>Why the need to make a distinction between the father and god, again?
Because Scripture. Try actually reading it so you can ask intelligent questions. God the Father/Yahweh/the Creator/"your heavenly father" made the world in Genesis. John 1:1 says that Jesus Christ was present in that moment. That is why Jesus is God and but also the Father is God.

>>11778452
>so why include god above the god jesus is referencing?
not that anon but if you mean why is there a God above Jesus, there isn't. not that we can understand anyway. the Trinity is a triangle; all of its elements are equally important to each other.

if you mean why does Jesus refer to a "God above," it is because Jesus is the Word made flesh. He was incarnated, mortal, on this planet. To us, God is typically above. Meaning in the metaphysical realm, not the sky.

>>11777777
>those digits

>>11778574
>Genesis

Bunch of sumerian folk stories that the ancient israelites picked up from the region. Nothing to do with Christ.

>John

Included as part of the canon literally because early church fathers thought it was written by John the Apostle himself

>>11778655
>Bunch of sumerian folk stories that the ancient israelites picked up from the region. Nothing to do with Christ.
It's their creation myth, dummy, and yours too.

>Included as part of the canon literally because early church fathers thought it was written by John the Apostle himself
Well if you're going to doubt the text why are you even asking questions that depend on it? Just go practice your own kind of Voodoo Christianity ignorant of theology. I'll see you in hell william munny.

>>11778675
I am a Christian. My faith is in Christ, not some creation fairy tale fabricated by pagans a long time ago. And just because it's part of canon, doesn't mean it's worthy to take into consideration when discussing the religion.

>Well if you're going to doubt the text why are you even asking questions that depend on it?

I thought there would be a more profound and complex understanding behind the arguments presented for the existence of the trinity, but if it's just an attempt to cover up a visible contradiction in scripture, then it's bunk. Any christian council can meet up tomorrow and decide that, for example, John is no longer canon. What of the theology then? It goes out the windows because church politics has nothing to do with Christ.

>>11778721
>the Bible is a coloring book
>I don't understand theology read these 95 theses cya I'm gonna make my ooooown chuuuuurch!
Literally just come back to the ministry of Christ, which was passed from Him to Peter the first Bishop of Rome. It's enough, protestants. That's enough.

>>11778721
>My faith is in Christ, not some creation fairy tale fabricated by pagans a long time ago.
Are you seriously saying that your parents didn't raise you to believe in Adam and Eve? The serpent and the apple? There was no Garden of Eden? REALLY?

>>11778721
>Literally any Christian .....
No they can't learn something about the church before saying nonsense.

>>11778749
>Literally just come back to the ministry of Christ, which was passed from Him to Peter the first Bishop of Rome

The ministry of Christ and his church was founded in 30 AD. Your church was created some 1900 years ago.

>>11778762
No, and even as a kid i thought the explanation was pretty pants on head retarded.

>>11778785
The canon as we know it today was decided by church figures gathered in councils. It was arbitrary decisions that stood behind the compilation of the books in the bible, because what the fuck does the Torah have to do with Christ? Judaizer scum!

>>11778805
>Arbitrary decisions
Theology and the decisions of the church fathers are not arbitrary.
But still that has nothing to do with your insane statement about removing the gospel of Jhon from the Bible.

>>11777777
Atheist eternally BTFO, praise the lord. God is great.

>>11778805
>because what the fuck does the Torah have to do with Christ?
This is where you confirm yourself to be a brainlet. Congratulations on embarrassing yourself in front of a 777777 get.

The NT is a record of the ministry of Christ, of His birth, death, and resurrection. It was assembled by apostles and councils in the decades after, yes of course. It exists to promote His ministry, His endeavor to (once again) rescue the Israelites from their own stiff-necked pride and heresies against God. Jesus was a Jew, dummy. Only instead of trying to save the Jews as Moses did, He wanted to save all of mankind.The Sanhedrin paid to have him killed by Romans because he his gospel was inconvenient and a threat to Temple cashflow. The NT exists to convert the Jews to Christianity, and it draws greatly upon the Old Testament especially the Hebrew Bible and the prophets. You'd know this if you had actually read it instead of just believing in your own wacko new age "christianity".

>>11777777
Who is Jesus?

>>11777777
brb going to church

>>11778919
The church fathers may be holy men, but they're still men nontheless and men make mistakes. No matter how holy they were, they couldn't withstand scrutiny from 19th century german biblical criticism nor present day biblical archeology.

What makes up the bible is entirely based on inter-church politics, it has squat to do with spirituality or with Christ. When you think the 3 legitimate gospels would have sufficient material to work with for the next 1000 years, they just had to add israelite bullshit to create a huge clusterfuck of contradictions.

>>11778928
Jesus was an israelite, culturally. Socially he was born in a region of gentiles, i.e non-Judaic, as Galilee was perceived back then.

>Moses
Another fairy tale created by some random scribe during the babylonian exile to promote nationalism.

>it draws greatly upon the Old Testament especially the Hebrew Bible and the prophets

That much is true, except that the authors of the synoptic gospels drew inspiration from them to explain Christ's spiritual experiences and ministry. It doesn't make them Jesus's words because Jesus didn't write the bible, but his followers.

>>11779003
>It doesn't make them Jesus's words because Jesus didn't write the bible, but his followers.
Then how the fuck can you believe in Christ if you don't believe what he's recorded to have said? inb4 "i feel him in my heart... and he told me to hate jews"

>>11779019
>Then how the fuck can you believe in Christ if you don't believe what he's recorded to have said?

Strip the gospels of the concepts which draw inspiration directly from the Torah (Like The Signs of Immanuel by Isaiah) then put each writing into the historical-political context in which they were written, and then whatever concept remains, which was drawn from some other source, is basically the express, literal words and acts of Jesus; The Transfiguration, his cursing of the Fig Tree, his debates with the Sadducees and Pharisees, and many other occurrences which he is quoted to have said, which have a basis in any truth.

3 of the gospels were written by men who each had their own vision of what Jesus was and represented. If you want the closest living thing to the exact words and deeds of jesus, then Mark is the obvious choice, since it is the recorded preaching of Peter himself, one of the disciples who was with jesus during the transfiguration.

>>11777777
Convince me on why Christianity is correct and not Islam

>>11779076
>An Essene ascentic who perfected a meditation technique so advanced as to access the thoughts of God then spread the news of his interactions with Him to followers and teaching them this exact technique

vs

>Some desert nomad who got so buttmad nobody took him seriously, that he organized raiding parties that ultimately was the bedrock for why his beliefs are taken seriously today

>>11779064
what is the deal with the cursing of the Fig tree and getting mad at the money lenders

both acts seem so un-Jesusy. Like he is occasionally critical of people in other instances, but it's in a way where he wants them to unite with him. THose two acts are separative, he is distancing himself from the tree and the moneylenders.

>>11777777

Yes.

>His disciples said to him, "Who are you, that you should say these things to us?"
>Jesus said to them, "You do not realize who I am from what I say to you, but you have become like the Jews, for they either love the tree and hate its fruit or love the fruit and hate the tree."

Renounce Literal Historical autism.

>>11779093
>meme reply

>>11779094
He was just hungry and the damn tree didn't have anything edible. That apparently pissed him off so much that his mere word made the tree dry up in a matter of days, that's how insanely powerful his spiritual powers were when projected into this reality.

Nothing wrong with that tho, he was just hungry.

>>11779117
>Doesn't know of the fact that John the Baptized was an Essene and Jesus mostly likely was too

>Doesn't know of the Secret Gospel of Mark

You are right, islam is a better choice in your case, for you are simply too stupid to become a christian.

>>11778052
the concept of God subordinates the concept of the father, necessarily so

Prove to me arianism is wrong. Do it.

>>11779111
>Trusting anything other than Mark which contain the closest approximation of Jesus's words

>>11779094
Interestingly the episode with the money lenders appears in all 3 of the gospels except Mark. Maybe to emphasize an anti-Temple sentiment against the people leading it if we were to assume it was written before the Bar Kokhba revolt