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reminder to ignore tripfags

>>11865211
You can't ignore my girth

But they don't?

>>11865217
They do

>>11865206
Because they're wrong.

>>11865262
Who's right?

Dont forget fucking aztecs

>>11865263
Not them

>>11865267
What did Aztecs believe?

>>11865277
>>/lit/thread/S11670156#p11674566
Enjoy

>>11865206
because they are all retards

>>11865206
Did Platonists and Neoplatonists disagree?

>>11865206
because pantheism?

>>11865206
They don't agree Hegel doesn't agree with Spinoza's positivity, and Spinoza does not agree with mysticism.

Hegel is the odd one out. The rest agrees more with Kant, Fries, Nelson, and Schopenhauer.

all of these thinkers fell into the CARTESO-SPINOZAN TRAP and became obsessed with the abstraction known as 'numerics'. NUMEROLOGY is not the 'SCIENCE OF SPIRIT' but the 'ART OF DAEMONS.' SPINOZA was an avowed CARTESIAN (and what's worse a Jew [DO NOT TELL ME THAT HIS EXCOMMUNICATION NULLIFIES HIS JUDIACISM BECAUSE YOU ARE A MORON IF YOU BELIEVE THIS--I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO TRY TO REMOVE JUDAISM FROM THE SPINOZAN 'EQUATION' {TO USE A TERM BORROWED FROM THE EVIL ART OF NUMEROLOGY}])

>>11866614
based tripfag strikes again

Who do we study to overcome the heeb demon

>>11866639
NIETZSCHE and the DEAD SEA SCROLLS
if you grasp these doctrines consult HEIDEGGER and DELEUZE AND GUATTARI

>>11866639
Aryan wisdom aka Zoroastrianism and Hinduism

>>11866648
NOT HINDUISM
ZOROASTRIANISM is a legitimate expression of PROTO INDO EUROPEAN essence
HINDUISM was founded by the extraterrestrial MANU and is nothing more than a tool for the creation of a SLAVE RACE that will be utilized by MANU's species to conquer the universe
INDIANS are not ARYAN, their blood is diluted with ALIEN DNA
CAMBODIANS are the only true ARYANS in ASIA now (Japan still is honorarily ARYAN)

>>11865267
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST HOW MANY FUCKING REFORMULATIONS DO YOU NEED OF THE WILL, THE DIONYSIAN, THE WILL TO POWER, THE HERACLITEAN, THE PARMENIDEAN, BEING QUA BEING, TO APEIRON, THE ABSOLUTE

WE GET IT, WE FUCKING GET IT, IT DISSOLVES DUALISMS, IT DISSOLVES BOUNDARIES, WE GET IT, CONCEPTS ARE FINITE BUBBLES IN AN INFINITE MEDIUM AND THE MEDIUM HAS PRIORITY, WE FUCKING GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S AN INTERESTING METAPHOR, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN WITH MORE ORIENTAL PHILOSOPHIES LIKE THE DAO AND THE SACRED FIRE OF PING PANG PONGO, THEY'RE LITERALLY MINING FUCKING AZTEC PHILOSOPHY NOW TO RECAPITULATE WHAT NIETZSCHE WAS ALREADY JUST CRIBBING FROM HEINE SCHOPENHAUER AND GOETHE?!?!?! WHY?????????? WHY CAN'T THESE FUCKING WORTHLESS HACKS EVER DO SOMETHING INTERESTING FOR A CHANGE?

IS THIS REALLY WHAT YOUR WHOLE SAD PISS LIFE IS SPENT ON? BECOMING A FUCKING SHITDICK ANTHROPOLOGIST OF MESOAMERICA JUST SO YOU CAN PROVE THAT THE TEN THOUSAND DERIVATIVE REFORMULATIONS OF HEIDEGGER'S CLEANED-UP REFORMULATION OF NIETZSCHE'S INVERTED REFORMULATION OF SCHOPENHAUER'S AESTHETICIZED REFORMULATION OF A VITALISTIC OR TATKRAFTIG NOUMENON IS [[[[ALSO ADUMBRATED OR CONFIRMED BY YET ANOTHER OOGA BOOGA SPIRIT JUNGLE RELIGION]]]]????????????? HOW DOES THE STALE AIR EMANATING FROM THIS CLICHE SINCE SOMEONE FIRST THOUGHT OF SYSTEMATICALLY ORIENTALIZING HEIDEGGER IN THE FUCKING 1940S NOT GET DETECTED BY THE NOSTRILS OF THESE FUCKING ACADEMICS

ALL OF THIS WORK, ALL THOSE YEARS SPENT PORING OVER ANOTHER CULTURE, JUST SO THAT YOU CAN CONFIRM YOUR LAZY PRECONCEPTIONS OF QUIETIST POST-PLATONIST FUCKING "LOOK MOM, IT'S STILL 1968! I BOUGHT A TURTLENECK JUST LIKE FOUCAULT!" NEOLIBERAL BOHEMIAN IDEOLOGY ANYWAY? WHY NOT JUST SKIP ALL THAT GO STRAIGHT TO THE BATHHOUSE??

HOW DO THEY NOT REALIZE THAT THIS IS THE WORST "ORIENTALISM" OF ALL? IT'S NOT THE ETHICAL CONSEQUENCES OF ORIENTALISM THAT ARE DISTURBING, IT'S THE EPISTEMOLOGICAL BIAS!!! THE PREMISE IS THAT THE EPISTEMOLOGICAL BIAS ALWAYS GENERATES NEGATIVE ETHICAL CONSEQUENCES! THE PROBLEM WITH ORIENTALISM WASN'T THAT IT WAS PLATONIST, SO IT'S FINE FOR YOU TO DO IT BECAUSE YOU'RE NEOPLATONIST. THE PROBLEM WAS THAT YOU'RE DOING IT AT ALL. WHY NOT TRY TO EXPERIENCE ACTUAL ALTERITY? DOESNT IT BOTHER YOU THAT YOU'RE AGREEING WITH THE TAOIST EAST ASIAN STUDIES GUY DESPITE WORKING ON THE AZTECS LITERALLY SEVERAL "WORLDS" AWAY?

WHY AM I CONSTANTLY ASSAULTED BY BAD PHILOSOPHIES. WHY DOES EVERYBODY THINK THEY'RE A FUCKING GENIUS FOR LASHING LEVINAS TO DELEUZE AND GOING "OMG WITH THIS I CAN ***REALLY*** OVERCOME CARTESIANISM." WOW! YOU DID IT! LIKE ALL YOUR OTHER EUNUCH COLLEAGUES WHO PLAYED THE SAME MAD LIBS GAME TOO!! NOW YOU'RE A FUCKING COOL GUY!

>>11866656
Friendly reminder that all is one

>>11866656
now this is basil and redpepper

>>11866655
Is this the power of the big D?

>>11866732
the body without organs has the structure of a RINGWORLD

>>11866655
>>11866614
What's the drug?

>>11866796
THE HOLY SPLIFF

>>11865206
this thread is so shit.
>>11865217
>But they don't?
>>11865257
>They do.

Wow riveting dialogue you fucking mogs.

Something I read just this minute that's relevant to the thread

>Schelling (1775-1854), Hegel's younger colleague, regarded Vedānta as an 'exalted idealism' and enthusiasm for Indian thought was taken up by Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) who regarded India as a land of ancient wisdom. Schopenhauer's philosophical heir, Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900), also admired Hindu ideas and referred to the 'Laws of Manu' as a text far superior to the New Testament. These thinkers are not concerned with accurate readings of Hindu texts and philosophy, but are interested in using Hindu thought to back up or contribute to their own.
- Gavin Flood

>>11866937
Yeah it’s called Orientalism, the projection of a fictitious history onto Asia

I stopped when u said Hegel and just stopped looking at the thread

>>11867017
y tho

>that 25 year old mleccha who still isn't practicing karma yoga and i stuck in maya

>>11866979
what is this 'fictitious history'you speak of

>>11867189
Anything Westerners say about Asia that isn’t true, but would support the Weaterners’ other claims about other subjects if true.

>>11866655
based

>>11865206
Daily reminder

>>11868080
faggot

>>11868080
*blocks your path*

>>11868080
Nothing could be less interesting than a priest who discouraged his parishioners from pursuing a purely intellectual interest in the history of religion

b

>>11865346
No. Regardless of whether some aspects were expressed or not, or even fully realised in the earlier Platonic school, the particular structure and articulation of their metaphysic is the same in both cases meaning they can be identified under the same tradition.

>>11865206
Because Neo-Quranism is the eightfold path

>>11866614
>Advaita Vedanata, Mahayana Buddhism, Daoism, Sufi Islam, and Neoplatonism are Cartesian systems of thought
filtered

>>11869180
perhaps you should "FILTER" OP

>>11866655
Persians are proto-Jews, Aryan thought is best reflected in the Vedic texts and schools that focus on them like Vedanta

>>11868260
nani?!?

>>11865206
Because Rene Guenon is actually a time-traveling demon who appears periodically at the time of the founding of every religion to insert his heretical non-dualist ideas so that he could later convince people in the 20th century that non-dualism is the eternal truth.

>>11869180
>cartesian
the hell they are

>>11869202
>Persians are proto-Jews
JUDIACS are an offshoot of the ZOROASTRIAN branch of PROTO INDO EUROPEAN CIVILIZATION, yes, but this does not make ALL PERSIANS proto-JUDIAC.

>>11869259
Uhh no?

>>11869265
Zoroastrianism is heresy from the perspective of the Indo-European tradition, which was best preserved by the Hindus, the Persians mistakenly began to propagate their false perception of duality which later came to be the basis for Jewish thought, the Persians were the Jews before the Jews were Jews.

>>11869284
>Zoroastrianism is heresy from the perspective of the Indo-European tradition, which was best preserved by the Hindus
the PIE has no concept of jersey. HINDUISM and ZOROASTRIANISM are equally "legitimate" (though the term does not "GROK" in this context) offshoots
YOU ARE DUMB

>>11869288
wrong

>>11869298
I am informed by my own GENUINE ENLIGHTENMENT and connexion to the ancestral common unconscious bank of memories that I am correct
What are your sources? A couple of CLAY POTS from TRANSOXANIAN RUINS?

>>11869307
I have received a traditional initiation from a chain of initiates going all the way back to arctic hyperborea circa ~10,000 BC. You should be grateful that I even considered you worth responding to. There is nothing more to say, I've already given you enough hints.

>>11869323
YOU are LYING and not taking this seriously. STOP replying to me.

The root ontology of Traditionalism is a hodgepodge of late 19th century esotericism and hermetic syncretism, post-Kantian Religionswissenschaft and Protestant theology, the Religionsgeschichtliche Schule and its early 20th century offshoots, which also had a post-Kantian epistemology, and a healthy dose of Romantic theory on religion and myth, which has been described by Beiser and other scholars as "neo-Platonist," or as the "archetypal" strand of Kant interpretation. Read any myth-related text of Schelling and you will see Traditionalism. Actually, read Paul Bishop's book _The Archaic_ for a decent discussion of the core concept(s) from which Traditionalism sprang. Its ontology is part of a general response to Kantian rationalism that involved a re-introduction of archetypal (i.e., Platonic) metaphysics with a vaguely emanationist structure -- that is, bootleg neo-Platonism.

This movement was (and remains) deliberately syncretic because when you identify the primary forms or archetypes with a symbolic and mythic structure (as ALL of the traditions I just outlined did), you get a philosophy and history of religion that makes all traditions into particular instantiations of underlying immutable principles (as all of the traditions I just outlined concluded). Just read _The Oriental Renaissance_ by Schwab, which was praised highly by Mircea Eliade, about whom both Guenon and Evola complained in correspondence that he was a Guenonian Traditionalist who wouldn't cop to the fact and that he was getting credit for Guenon's ideas especially. Eliade agreed; so Guenon, Evola, and Eliade agree that Eliade is a reasonably faithful transposition of Guenonian philosophy, and Eliade embraces Schwab's diagnosis of syncretic, Fruhromantik neo-Platonism as the basis of the Traditionalist worldview, e.g., as its syncretic neo-Platonist framework effortlessly reduces and re-appropriates Hinduism, Islam, Platonism, and everything else to be simply an emanation of its own "central, really real" myths and archetypes. That is why "Hinduism looks like neo-Platonism," a favourite line of Traditionalists -- real similarities between the two systems, perhaps owing to some real underlying Indo-European metaphysics, are in fact bowled over and destroyed by Traditionalism's extremely lazy neo-Platonist framework, which has been called "all-reducing." Traditionalists did not save or invent the method of comparative religions -- they killed it, and laminated its corpse.

tldr: Traditionalism is an esoterically-oriented synthesis of scholarly paradigms that go back to Kant, under which paradigms traditional neo-Platonism, and Christian and especially German mysticism were reinterpreted by the early Romantics. And it's a late-comer to the game at that.

based

>>11868080
>The Bible is all you need
The bible is among the most boring tomes ever written so no thank you.

>>11869741
meme