/lit/ - Literature

>>11941701
yes, 500 years from now ludacris and dr dre will be studied like shakespeare.

I feel like you are up your own ass. Even at my shitty state college the academics understand and believe this incredibly basic statement you are making. This reminds me of an old /a/ pasta from years ago.

>>11941701
>Joyner Lucas
>Rupi Kaur
I sort of see your point but picking a god-tier rapper and a garbage retard poet is a bit of an unfair comparison

>>11941710
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>>11941710
That's the thing though, Shakespeare was borderline trashy media when he was alive, nobody respected actors or dramatists

>>11941721
>I feel like you are up your own ass
Probably. But at mine the only nod to poetry newer than the Beats is when they invite a shitty local guy to read his sonnets about vacationing in Tuscany, it's completely out of touch

>>11941739
And yet how does Shakespeare's work stack up when you compare it to a Ludacris song? The level of respect he may or may not have received is irrelevant.

>>11941701

Rap and songwriting fulfills the purpose that poetry used to serve before the advent of mass media.

Poetry used to be a way of communicating thoughts/feelings/observations/satire in a clever and pleasant-sounding way. It was a way of expressing things in a unique way, using languag to get down to those core feelings that we can't access in ordinary conversation. The reason poems used conventions like rhyme and meter was that this created a kind of common ground. It emerged from folk music and song. You could show your skill by exploiting these conventions in a particularly skillful way, and everybody understood that because they were familiar with the form. E.g. if you wrote a really formally brilliant sonnet, you were showing that you were a good poet.

Rap essentially does the same thing. OP is a little bit behind the times - because rap was at its most verbally sophisticated back in the 90s. Today, rap itself has moved on, and the new generation of rappers are rebelling against the old-style of sophisticated wordplay and rhyme and have created their own iconocalstic style of rap based on simplicity and repetition (much like the punk movement did with rock music in the late 70s).

Traditional poetry, on the other hand, has moved away from conventions like rhyme and meter, and today it serves a much different purpose to what it used to. Poetry today is basically a highly-specialized niche interest that is popular among a small group of highly-educated people, mostly academics.

>>11941701
Yes, but it's not good

Even the best rappers like MF DOOM or Aesop Rock aren't very good on a poetry level, although DOOM is just trying to be funny

If ee cummings is poetry, so is Hopsin. I don't like the truth either.

>>11942701
They're poetry, but that doesn't mean they're good poetry. I can accept that J Cole is a rapper, but I still think he sucks eggs and is fucking boring.

Sure, the art of poetry was never a serious one when ruri is successful

Poetry is ultimately lyrical, rap is ultimately musical

The only black poets I can think of are Langston Hughes and Maya Angelou.

>>11942709
>market success = artistic success.

stop being so bitter. Bitter capitalist.
A market is not a meritocracy

>>11942755
Fair enough
I guess I’ll throw Ka in the ring, he’s pretty poetic in a way
https://genius.com/Ka-conflicted-lyrics

>>11941701
>But the words rhyme

>>11941701
Rap is lyrics. If you think lyrics are poetry then yes, if you don't, then it isn't. Still, it doesn't elevate rap from whatever level it is. There's bad poetry, too.

>>11941739
I hate this stupid meme.

>>11941701
Yes but 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999% of it is below gutter tier.

>>11941701
>Just kidding diddy, you know I love you.
>mfw Em was alluding to Kill You AND Forgot About Dre in one line

>>11941728
it's days like these I remember why I shouldn't trust people on /lit/