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Imagine actually giving a shit what that apathetic old man has to say. He is literally what's wrong with the conservative movement, cowardly old men all too willing to sit back in their armchair and "lose with grace".

>>11940610
Theresa May

>>11940623
>"lose with grace".
Not so. He used to challenge the main politics, and dedicated a lot of time to destroying the alleged "Conservative" party. But when it became clear that no one would stop voting for them, he realised that the people just don't want to be saved. He doesn't say it openly, but you can tell that when he speaks about things like drugs, drinking, football as a semi-religion, that he feels people quite enjoy the dystopia they've built for themselves.

>>11941031
>But when it became clear that no one would stop voting for them, he realised that the people just don't want to be saved
Democracy doesn't work

>>11941031
>He doesn't say it openly
He literally does. He says Britain is doomed and if you're young you should move as fast as possible.

Mencius moldbug

>>11940623
no, neo-cons are what is wrong with the conservative government

>>11941926
>He says Britain is doomed and if you're young you should move as fast as possible.
Move where? It can't be that bad surely

>>11942591
That's the problem. Very few can just move away, and there is nowhere to run to.

>>11942591
It is, but he's mistaken in thinking that things aren't getting worse fucking everywhere.

Irvine Welsh

>>11940623
That's a bit harsh, but yes, his defeatism is what is wrong about the present conservative movement. But i wouldn't blame Peter personally though, he's one of a handful remaining public conservatives, so no wonder why he's pessimistic

Leave it to Britain to have a role as dull sounding as obituarist. The figurative gravedigger of the literary world.

>>11942668
If he wasn't a defeatist he would be in jail for hate speech already

alex "lock up yer daughters" salmond

>>11942668
Can't blame him for being a pessimist with his experiences/age either. He witnessed first hand his country moving hard to the left and transforming itself while those purporting to be conservative did nothing about it. Democracy was a mistake.

>>11942591
It is. This country reeks of decay

>>11942672
American here, please can everyone be permanently happy, hey you, yes you! turn that frown upside down, this is a happy country, we are happy people, you must be happy and full of energy at all times!

>>11943098
>It is. This country reeks of decay
How much worse is it to other european nations?

>>11942987
You are right of course, I do not blame him personally.

>>11943509
Imagine a country where every freedom-loving person emigrated, and the rest were given a few hundred years to stew.

>>11940623
What else do you propose? His pessimism is justified. The fact he's basically the only mainstream conservative in the UK (and a milquetoast one at that by actual conservative standards) and the public absolutely loathes most of his opinions means there is no hope. The publics idea of conservativismis just neoliberalism but without the immigration.

His pessimism is justified but he has nothing to contribute intellectually on how conservatives should act in the future. Dominic Cummings' (guy who ran Vote Leave) has interesting stuff on his blog about a possible future for the UK.

>>11943118
haha, isnt making money great! i love being motivated for my career! and having social skills helps me to network building solid relationships to cement future business partnerships! politics can be so divisive, i think we should be accepting of everyone regardless of whether they are a democrat or a republican, and we should ALWAYS support our president and our veterans!

>>11943911
>milquetoast one
If his opinions on social policies are milquetoast, then who isn't milquetoast I wonder?

>>11943509
every european country is going to shit, anon. There's no future in this continent.

>>11943911
english people think a 40% tax rate is conservative

>that one time he claimed instead of Corbyn, Blair was the real Eurocommunist all along
Dropped

>>11943911
Right wing populism. Recall that Hitchens hates Trump for some reason.

>>11943804
la creatura

>>11944178
Do you, or anyone else, think he'll come around eventually?

>>11942597
How about the U.S of A

>>11942597
Singapore. Basically a slightly mutated slice of Victorian Britain

>>11946904
Fuck off we are full and the no the fuck it isn't

>>11941031
>He doesn't say it openly
He does, he says it in pretty much any interview he gives.

>>11941926
Is Britain overcrowded?

>>11947490
YEAH BRITAINS ONLY 5 % BUILT ON LADS LETS OPEN UP THE GREENBELT OR DEANO WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD A HOME

GETTIN SON

>>11946740
hello nigger

>>11944101
How are they not? Name how they're extreme in anyway. Something people seem to disagree with him most with is his drug stance, but he's right.

>>11944178
>>11945136
>I’ve worked out why the modern Left hate Donald Trump so much, and why anti-Trump parades have become the biggest boost to the Rentacrowd protest industry since the Vietnam War, opposed by millions who didn’t know what it was about or where Vietnam was.
>It’s because the President subconsciously reminds them of themselves. Unlike most ‘Right-wing’ figures, he adopts the habits and practices of the shouty Left. He’s shamelessly bigoted, and regards his bigotry as a virtue. He’s ignorant, materialistic, unread, foul-mouthed, sexually liberated, sees opponents as enemies to be crushed rather than as fellow citizens to be persuaded or at least respected, and he despises the rule of law.

>>11947490
I thought it would last my time—
The sense that, beyond the town,
There would always be fields and farms,
Where the village louts could climb
Such trees as were not cut down;
I knew there’d be false alarms

In the papers about old streets
And split level shopping, but some
Have always been left so far;
And when the old part retreats
As the bleak high-risers come
We can always escape in the car.

Things are tougher than we are, just
As earth will always respond
However we mess it about;
Chuck filth in the sea, if you must:
The tides will be clean beyond.
—But what do I feel now? Doubt?

Or age, simply? The crowd
Is young in the M1 cafe;
Their kids are screaming for more—
More houses, more parking allowed,
More caravan sites, more pay.
On the Business Page, a score

Of spectacled grins approve
Some takeover bid that entails
Five per cent profit (and ten
Per cent more in the estuaries): move
Your works to the unspoilt dales
(Grey area grants)! And when

You try to get near the sea
In summer . . .
It seems, just now,
To be happening so very fast;
Despite all the land left free
For the first time I feel somehow
That it isn’t going to last,

That before I snuff it, the whole
Boiling will be bricked in
Except for the tourist parts—
First slum of Europe: a role
It won’t be hard to win,
With a cast of crooks and tarts.

And that will be England gone,
The shadows, the meadows, the lanes,
The guildhalls, the carved choirs.
There’ll be books; it will linger on
In galleries; but all that remains
For us will be concrete and tyres.

Most things are never meant.
This won’t be, most likely; but greeds
And garbage are too thick-strewn
To be swept up now, or invent
Excuses that make them all needs.
I just think it will happen, soon.

>>11949625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jmG47NtOvs