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>>12126388
Probably not.
Society just domesticates people nowadays. The system of things is only interested in preserving itself.

>>12126388
Maybe not. Thankfully the medicated populace is only a recent development.

>>12126388
>the urge to understand ourselves and our place in the universe is a pathology

Sink America

>>12126388
Antidepressants don't fix discontent. They're just a smile mask. True philosophy stems from the unknown, like what happens after we die anyway.

>>12126388
Only one in three cases of depression is successfully dealt with by medicinals

>>12126388
Yes it would, because even now they exist most philosophically-minded people are extremely resistant to taking them

>>12126388

seriously?

im not depressed at all. i was back as a teen or something, but not anymore and im more philosophical than ever

sometimes we wax poetic and philosophical on subjects we adore as well

>>12126538
You missed the point entirely.

well people on antidepressants make rambling manifestos before going out and shooting up public spaces. so there would still be philosophy, just bad philosophy

First off SSRI’s don’t really work. Secondly no, there will always be philosophy.

There’s an absolute connection here though between the discontent and intelligence and you might know more of the nuances of that if you read Foucault but I won’t recommend him to you. All his great ideas would be lost on you and the weak mind isn’t ready to accept him without also succumbing to the virus that is Marxism. It’s too bad in this day and age we can’t have realistic enough views of other human beings to separate their good and bad aspects. Thanks media.

>only Americans are pillcucks
>Americans contributed next to nothing to philosophy
I'm pretty sure nothing changes

>>12126575
Americans are probably contributing more to philosophy now than any other nation.

>>12126584
doubt

>>12126589
They call us Americucks because we cuck the world.

>>12126589
If you look at a list of influential current philosophers most of them were educated or have chosen to teach in American institutions.

Probably not.

ITT: nobody who knows anything about antidepressants
Except this anon>>12126569

>>12126432
>Antidepressants don't fix discontent.
Correct
>>12126432
>They're just a smile mask.
Wrong. At least as far as SSRIs, like prozac, which are usually what's prescribed. Anyone that thinks prozac is happy pill knows nothing about it - in most cases, it seems to do fuck all anyway.

>he thinks prozac cured my depression
lmao newfag.

>>12126388
Prozac doesnt fix the emotional end of depression in a way that makes you happy all the time. You still have "bigger questions" and existential dread etc. All it does is allow to people to overcome the physical blocks severe depression causes. Ie: you dont sleep all day, but youre still not happy

>>12126569
I'm not OP buy what books by Foucault would you recommend?

>>12126388
>Would philosophy even be a thing if these bad boys existed 2000 years ago?

yes

>It seems like all "great metaphysical questions" arise from a certain discontentment with life.

you have a romanticised view of philosophy and philosophers

>"great metaphysical questions" arise from a certain discontentment with life

no, you're thinking of all the other questions of philosophy

When I went on Prozac I had a psychotic episode, so maybe?

>>12126388
>implying SSRIs are effective
>uses a picture of them to pretend to make the post even more serious
"Dr." Peterson, I presume?

>>12126604
>influential current philosophers
These people do not exist.

>>12126569
I'm in the emergency room waiting to see a psychiatrist for the first time right now. I don't want to take SSRIs anymore but I can't verbalise a logical argument as to why. What should I say if they want me to take them? Or should I just get them and throw them in the bin?

>>12126604
>look at a list of influential current philosophers
Pro-tip, all of them suck. They all do this for the pay check. You know what is on their mind most of the day? Eating. Having sex. Wasting time. That produces shit. That's why there hasn't been any great philosophers since practically the 1950s.

Any books that discuss labor potential being the only value of a person under capitalist society?

SSRI's don't make you healthy. It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

>>12127196
They can't force you to take them. Just say you don't want to.

>>12127196
Switch to redpilled monoamine oxadise inhibitors

>>12126388
Im on SSRIs right now. only 25mg though.

Pros:
Takes the edge off, feel more at ease
No more panic attacks & less anxiety
Quitting a low dosage is relatively easy- you aren’t a slave to the system
No cognitive impairment

Cons:
Edgelords on 4chan call you a pussy

Real tough call right there lmao

>>12127196
Do they help? If not, tell them that. Do they have bad side effects (like the "zombie" feeling). If so, tell them that, and tell them that. Don't demand a specific drug, but make it clear that SSRIs are not for you.

Honestly, regular cardio has worked better than the (3) antidepressants I've tried, with none of the shitty side effects. I run 25 miles a week now, no drugs, functioning as well as I ever have. But I needed an SNRI first to give me the motivation from the depth of can't-get-out-of-bed depression to start exercising.

>>12127314
25mg is not a low dosage

>>12127314
>doesn't realize his response is due to placebo effect
>doesn't realize that any actual benefit arising from the drug itself is due to the suppression of his sex drive, correcting for his excessive sexual indulgences in the past which was really the core of his problem especially for anxiety

>>12127382
Depend on the drug, but it's definitely low for the SSRIs I know of. It's the starting dose of fluoxetine (prozac) and for sertraline (Zoloft) it certainly is as 50mg is the starting dose for depression.

>>12127163
The Chad MAOI vs the Virgin SSRI

>>12126388
the shrooms they did at the eleusinian mysteries were heavier stuff

>>12126388
>masking the symptom and not the cause
Aspirin is whatever, but people who are heavily medicated need to be rehabilitated or thrown into a furnace

Yes. Because antidepressants do not work.

>>12127314
I'm sorry, but please read this.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4172306/

You achieve the exact same effects from placebo. You are unironically being scammed.

Kill yourself, OP.

>>12126388
I'm on 60 mg of Prozac and I'm still pretty horribly discontent with life.

However now I can actually function since interacting with people no longer sends me into an easily noticeable state of panic. I'm still an awkward sperg but at least now I don't start shaking and furiously sweating if I make some kind of social faux pas. I still experience some pretty bad anticipatory anxiety feelings but it's not nearly as frequent nor as obsessive or debilitating. I'm still miserable but at least existing isn't quite so painful so all and all I think the prozac has been pretty helpful.

>>12126575
While the rest of the world sat on their laurels, America was putting philosophies into practice, restructuring itself with each succeeding generation, even sending its troops overseas when the other nations of the world couldn't play nicely together, and in the meantime managed to contribute to schools of Transcendentalism, Naturalism, founded new denominations of Christianity, reconsidered the relationship and responsibility between the citizen and the state, and the rest of the world, so blown away and disgusted by the fact that the people in America accomplished in 200 years what the rest of the world couldn't in 6000 began a smear campaign calling America the "Great Satan," using pictures of lynchings like so many dead fetuses thrown in the face of people walking into Planned Parenthood, shoved the photo of Emmet Till into the faces of 5th and 6th graders as proof of who their parents were and where they came from, celebrated gangsters like Al Capone, burned the American flag, pointed the finger at American military intervention as the cause of conflict at every turn no matter how far removed, and will likely begin an earnest campaign to see large portions of the American landscape secede. The hatred for America is proof of just how radical the philosophies that built the nation were, the entire world can't even begin to imagine how to live the way Americans do, or did, until the century-long campaign of subversion finally eroded the last vestiges of democracy and patriotism away and convinced an entire generation of children to participate in its destruction using racism, iconoclasm, nihilism, hedonism, dangling a carrot of universal bliss in the form of sex and drugs on tap in front of the faces of millions of hormonal teenagers, it wasn't hard, convince the people that work is slavery, pleasure is happiness, truth is an illusion, history is a fairy tale, money over everything, add water and stir.

>>12129069
The eventual realization that pleasure does not equal happiness will feature heavily in many zoomers mid life crisises I’m sure.

>>12128879
anti-scientific bullshit

>>12126388
mmm so this is what Nietzsche calls "the last man."

>>12126388
No, suffering is a crucial part of the human experience.

>>12129092
How so?