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12222591 No.12222591 [Reply] [Original]

There's this paradox - at least I've come to see it as such - that I see every once in a while on this board, and I wanted to make note of it to see what you guys think.

One of Stoicism's main tenets is to ultimately not worry about things that are out of your control - there's more nuance to it, but for what I'm about to say it doesn't really matter. Chiefly or solely because of this, some people claim Stoicism to be a philosophy by cucks for cucks (because, for example, if your wife were to have sex with another man a Stoic is supposed to be indifferent to it, therefore making them a cuckold).

I'm not here to defend Stoicism, so whether or not that analysis is valid isn't the point. What I do care about is the other side of humanity, the people who do let external things dictate their mode of thought. Describing these people in another way, they are people who literally allow others to control how they feel and even the actions they commit; could you not very well call these people cucks in a sense? As far as I'm concerned, if the aforementioned analysis of Stoicism is apt, then everyone is a cuck in some regard. The question then becomes what type of cuck you want to be.

>> No.12222595

Stoicism is pretty much psychological damage control.

>> No.12222607

>>12222591
Dealing with your wife cheating on you in a stoic manner is to take your available options into consideration. Your wife being a whore is out of your control, so instead you leave her. The past is out of your control so you don't worry about it. You find a new chick. How is that being a victim?

>> No.12222608

Woah did duck just get filtered to cuck

>> No.12222619

>>12222595
if you think so, that's fine, but that's not really related to the specific topic at hand

>>12222607
what exactly do you mean by "victim" ? I'm in agreement that the Stoic way seems more logical, but I don't think the other side is arguing that the Stoic is a victim necessarily, simply that they're a cuck

>> No.12222655

>allow others to control how they feel and even the actions they commit
Thats literally how people work. You're a bundle of sensations, everything from the outside affects our behavior, no matter with flavor of philosophy you feel like subscribing to this week. What makes stoics cucks is that fact that they let external world completely immobilize their behavior, by choosing to "not worry much" a stoic commits the ultimate act of cuckery - letting the world define not just his actions, but his character too. This is apex cuckold, you can let you wife get fucked by a football team worth of niggers, and have them all cuck on your face, it's still not as cucked as being a stoic.

>> No.12222684

>>12222591
The cuckoldry fetish isn't about feeling indifference to being cuckolded, so calling stoics cuckolds is retarded.
Regarding your question, is there anything less cucked than letting people control your emotions? Imagine thinking being a mental slave to other's actions isn't the most cucked shit ever. Inb4 niggers with nigger mentalities call me a nigger.

>> No.12222692

>ITT: wow /b/eddit is really good at philosophy.

>> No.12222696

>>12222595
It is a cope, but it's a cope that was necessary during the philosophy's heyday. It's impossible to handle the vicissitudes of imperial Rome without a stoic conception of suffering

>> No.12222729

>>12222655
>That's literally how people work.
that's my point. just because "that's literally how people work" doesn't not make them cucks, it just makes cuckoldry inherent.

>What makes stoics cucks is that fact that they let external world completely immobilize their behavior, by choosing to "not worry much" a stoic commits the ultimate act of cuckery - letting the world define not just his actions, but his character too.
I'm genuinely not trying to say this in a passive-aggressive manner, but have you even read Stoic thought? A Stoic wouldn't at all be immobilied by the external world, they do what is virtuous regardless of the external world - the external world doesn't dictate their actions in the slightest. It's not their believe to "not worry much", it's to be indifferent in regard to that which is out of your control. What do you mean by "define" exactly? Again a Stoic wouldn't let the external world define their actions or actions, those are defined by the tenets of their philosophy. You really need to clarify what you're saying because your analysis as of now shows a total lack of understand of what Stoicism is.

>> No.12222745

>>12222729
>It's not their believe...
belief***
>Again a Stoic wouldn't let the external world define their actions or actions..
actions or character***

>> No.12222769

>>12222619
It is too simplistic to describe people as belonging to either cuck or non-cuck. Same with any dualistic category. The reason people allow other people to dictate what they think is because it is extremely convenient to adopt about a system of thought than to come up with your own. You get to stand on hundreds if not thousands of years worth of individual thought. Sadly most people are born into one and never branch out or even consider alternative.

We need common ground in order to function. For example we are using language right now that some other people we have never met made and it is very influential to how we think and act. Does that make us cucks too?

Systems of thought should not be approached like a set of rules to live your life by, but a path of inquiry and a mental toolbox of concept to understand and construct the world around.

>> No.12222803

>>12222619
Anything and everything is "cucked"
at some point according to your definition, and we live is this state where everything is able to "cuck" you, a stoic just remains stoic over these facts, is that simple.