/lit/ - Literature

>>12448469
No. Here's a video of Roger Scruton explaining why it isn't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHGNf6nWUm0

>>12448469
Ask harold bloom what he thinks about Harry Potter!

>>12448469
There’s no character development. Every character is one dimensional and representative of some idea or human aspect.

>>12449250
That doesn't necessarily make it not good literature.

>>12449250
what are you talking about? you clearly haven't read all 8 books.

>>12448469
It is good for $$$

>>12448469
No, it's mediocre children's literature that gets praised because the rest of modern children's literature is awful. Examples of good children's literature:

Kipling's Jungle Books
Stevenson's Treasure Island
Twain's Tom Sawyer/Huckleberry Finn books
Carroll's Alice books
Tolkien's The Hobbit

>>12448469
Pippi, Oliver Twist, Robinson Crusoe, the dolphin, Copperfield, dinosaur and animal`s books, Heidi, dbz manga, Verne, small histories about 40k (ultramarines vs tyranids is ok for kids).
>>12449384
this
Theres some latinamerican books made for adults but can be read by kids, i`ll try to organize my stuff in this summer...the knight Carmelo by Valdelomar is good for kids

"No!"

>>12448469
>if you're not as special and good at everything like Harry
did you even read the books?

>>12449361
Name one character who changes from the way they are presented in book one that isn’t Draco Malfoy or The Dursleys.

>>12448469
That's absolutely correct though. Git gud faggots.

Harry Potter still sucks though

>>12448469
Harry got mediocre grades in all of his classes except defence against the dark arts.

>>12448502
That's pretty good.

>>12450135
And yet he was famous since he was a kid, everyone loved him, he uncovered and defeated a supervillain plot in every book and became the best wizard of all time.

>>12449625
This
The books teach "luck and social circles are more important than skill"

>>12450160
That’s the correct analysis of America

>>12448469
It's peak liberalism. Capitalist nonsense that's built on the notion that the individual can make change. Groups make change. Not a single person. It points out systematic issues like how the Government is fucked. Then Harry fucking becomes an auror thing. Because you can reform systematic issues.

>>12450187
solid points. care to unfold a little?

>>12449791

Snape?

>>12448469
It's good if you want your child to grow up and be as dull as one of the dullest franchises in the history of movie franchises. Seriously each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody?just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>a-at least the books were good though

"No!" The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King.

>>12449361
8 books

nice bait

>>12448469
its alright, but it doesnt hold a candle to other childrens classics like the hobbit, alice in wonderland, or the phenomenology of spirit

>>12450160
So just like in real life then?

>>12448469
>I feel like it teaches kids that if you're not as special
that's not what it does. The whole "secretly the chosen one" bit is supposed to be that everyone has some hidden worth, even if you are poor and everyone shit on you.
Supplementary evidence is Longbottom, who is even more shit than harry, eventually becomes a chad and dabs on the basilisk.

>>12448469

(tldr coulda been good, made into a steaming hunk of shit)

Goes beyond that, she essentially wrote it with the fact that in his times of dire need, his friends helped him. Stressed the importance of friends and family. As a story, it really isn't bad at all, it's just a nice little read because we don't typically imagine witchcraft and wizardy applied to the real world, and we want to believe there's more to life than this.

The problem is the wish fulfillment.

"its magic"
>can literally murder someone with two words
>no explanation of magic mechanisms other than a swish and flick
>no explanation of magic skill or where magic comes from
"Nigga I dont gotta explain shit its magic lol"
>literally any wizard can pick up a wand and instantly use a murder spell

Its like being shown a trailer for a movie that will never come, Potter, as a story, could have been so much more and never will be, because it was lowered to a mentally retarded reading comprehension.

I don't mind good vs evil stories written for children, good prevailing and all that. They're lies we tell kids to try to make them into good kids, even though good vs evil is not as discernable in adult life.

The problem with Harry Potter being such a story is it's format and length. It's 8 books or good vs evil and in all of them, good prevails through pure luck, because adults are mostly useless.
Random luck, and love, and friendship, and all that retarded shit. Evil becomes more of a menace as the series progresses, attaining more
power and more followers, all through fear and cold calculation and obedience to the dark one, to the point the whole wizard world is on the brink of destruction or slavery.

But hey, good thing love, friendship and random luck saves the day, right? Good thing that dude with the glasses was a pseudo chosen one, he was special after all! What kind of retarded message is that for a 15yo who already understand a bit of the real world and concepts such as death, corruption and murder.

>>12450505
>It's 8 books

Naruto is better children literature than Harry Potter

>>12448469
I want to FUCK that Harry

Why not read the catalog before posting this? There's already a thread where this exact topic is being discussed.

>>12450576
there is also a thread about some kid with a MAGA hat on, how about you report that instead

>>12450505
It's insipid because she is an insipid woman. Mediocrity and half truths are never intentional. Distressing, though, that so many people "relate" to such an idiotic, optimistic mindset. If only the books had failed, and she had killed herself

>>12450269
>pic listing Yeezy twixt Joyce and Kafka
whatever you write can be seen as memery from hence on

>>12450656
Hello newfriend

>>12450505
>luck
Is this what the kids are calling blatant asspulls nowadays?

>>12450269
WHERE'S CLIFFORD BECOMES PRESIDENT

>>12449553
>latinamerican
Esperanza Rising and House on Mango Street are the only two I've read, and that was in 5th grade

>>12450251
Snape was good the whole time. That’s literally just a plot twist. But I will give it to you since there’s the whole memory thing when we see him as a student.

Not going to lie, this book is more memorable to me than all of the Harry Potter series combined.

>>12450398
Yes

>>12450908
what was that shit even about? I remember seeing it in bookstores and being incredulous as to how they got away with the title

>>12450908
I remember 10 year old me reading passages from a copy of this in a bookstore and finding it pretty funny.

>>12448502
This is pretty on point. I read these books as they were coming out in my teens. At the time, I was not into reading, but these books were fun and simple. They were written perfectly for their target audience, which is why they became a cultural phenomenon.

The reason Harry Potter get flak is because people never grew up, JK included. They kept these idealized notions of good and evil. The fact that apply childish logic to complex political issues is absurd. Their inability to comprehend a cohesive solution to the world's problem is because every was solved by magic.

>>12449791
Ron. Pissed at Harry for having handed everything to him on a silver platter (plus jealous of him and Hermione), obsessed with making his family proud throughout the whole series but it gets pretty much resolved in the seventh book.

>>12448502
>>12451440
It's the same with the obsession with capeshit, Star Wars, Pixar, Ponies, cartoons, Disney, etc. Little to no moral complexity, the most basic good vs evil shit with sometimes very lazy references to fascism/Nazis, power fantasies, escapism, all of which is somewhat fine but I've seen people talk about irl politics using pop culture analogies or treating it like it's from their favourite media and that's just sad.

>>12450830

Dobby?