/lit/ - Literature

whats the difference between a bloomer and a go-getter?

>>12529611
Lao Tse and Marcus Aurelius

>>12529616
None really - and they share that realization

>>12529611
>this, fucking inspiring bro

>>12529611
Jordick BIG Penison’s 12 Rules for Washing your Penis

Goethe’s Faust and to a lesser degree The Red and the Black

>>12529616
A Go-Getter is just a doomer who pathetically tries to finally change his ways but usually just hits the gym twice, watches two online lectures, doesn't fap for 18 hours and maybe assembles a shelf and then goes back to normal

is self improvement a futile meme?

>>12529697
damn

>>12529697
:(

>>12529702
>>12529799
>>12529906
They key is stop pretending you can brute force yourself into a successful person when the root causes of your chronic failures haven't been acknowledged and even less adressed.

Seeing a therapist, as much as it would elicit laughter here, might be a good way to confront your issues. Treat it as an investigation into the human condition if you will.

t. suicidal person who has rationally acknowledged he sucks too much to live.

>>12529702

> not reading from both lists and understanding that optimism and despair are a false dualism.

>>12529999
checked
>>12529989
Went and saw a therapist for a month, got told it would need to last years to be successful (probably not a scam since I was told to go somewhere else). I don't have that kind of money. However, I refuse to believe that I cannot work on the problems myself.

>>12529989
Terrible advice by a shitty suicidal subhuman

>>12529702
it depends entirely on you. You cannot make a flower bloom by pulling apart the bud before its time, and similarly you cannot quickly remake yourself into something better. You have to be a gardener of the self: water and sun the plants, let things germinate in their own time.

Self-help books are a meme though, yes.

>>12529702
>perec
fucking based

>>12529626
Stopped a third of the way through. The one sided characters get boring quick.

>>12529697
The doomer has more will power than the go getter you describe. And switching to the go getter mindset is not even a step up in willpower, but a complete overhaul of your outlook on the world, and your role in it.

>>12530154
I like this metaphor because it's about the daily process of growth. It's important to have goals like the bloomer, but it's also a trap to get attached to the fantasy of the goal and not work on the means of achieving it. Putting in daily work with less of an attachment to the goal is the way to become a bloomer that doesn't fail.

>>12530043
Good for you man. Don't listen to your thoughts too much.

>>12529989
>Oh woe is me, life is not worth living OBJECTIVELY, I'm just scared haha. It's not that I just pretend to think life is not worth living so I can feel sorry for myself haha
Now you can skip the therapy. No need to thank me, cunt.

based on your 'go getter' personality you should go to school and get an education. Let the professors recommend the books they want you to read, they actually get paid to do that job.

>>12529697

You just described a doomer but with more adverbs.

>>12530154
>>12530207

good posts

>>12530057
>>12530247

hostile and retarded

>>12530228

positive and retarded

>>12530043

positive and fucked over by the gov't

>>12529989

It's not productive to imply that people have issues when they haven't admitted to having issues themselves. You have to incept the idea and then let the person reach that conclusion by themselves.

t. trying to get my dad to go to therapy.

zarathustra
the last psychiatrist blog
sun and steel

>>12529611

>>12530311
>the last psychiatrist blog

When he was writing these I remember really trying to emulate his voice and style. I didn't even consume any of the TV shows he referenced, I just wanted to look really critical and hostile towards the system, man.

>these people are richer than you, that means you're the dumb one

>>12530228
What should I listen to though? I think I need some outside help, since I don't really know where to begin and the internet was never really helpful, since it's always just "meditation, meditation, exercise, diet, meditation, exercise" all over. I'm physically fit and cook good vegetable based stuff for myself, always walk everywhere and I'm successful at college (even getting awards etc). Still I have trouble getting up most days, social anxiety, very low self image, impostor syndrome, occasional alcohol problems and my discipline is like the fucking wind - I can run 3 miles and then read and work all fucking day while being able to interact with anyone, the next day I cannot write a single sentence and skip lunch because I'm too anxious to go outside and buy groceries.
Also I'm completely detached from anything romantic because of a crazy clingy ex and am now extremely turned off by someone liking me.
What the fuck can I do?

>>12529999
divine

>>12529999
Checked

Two literary paths I'd endorse: Nicomachean Ethics -> Divine Comedy or Spinoza's Ethics -> anything by Goethe, but Wilhelm Meister's Apprenticeship in particular. Both the philosophers were huge influences on the writers, and when you comprehend their outlook through that lens, it produces a huge impulse to strive towards perfection.
One thing I'd say off the bat since we're on this website, is that if you're a misogynist, you gotta let that go, at least to some extent. Goethe can be very helpful with that, since he was the embodiment almost perfectly of what a man should be, and presents women in a wonderfully realistic but appreciative light. If you're a straight man and you're not appreciating feminity for what it is - one of nature's enchanting gifts, you're just on a road of despair. Unless you're gonna be a monk or something, separate from society, if you hate women but constantly desire them that can increase your alienation and despair in a perfectly unresolvable, self-reinforcing way. You can be as much as a misogynist as you want, but if you manage to get out of that rut and simply go on a walk somewhere beautiful with a woman and hold her hand, you'll realize that you don't need to be chad to who gets his dick sucked by a random thot every night to feel some self worth.
The western literary tradition has far more valuable wisdom on life than a forum of friendless incels. They find quotes from the philosophers like Nietzsche or Schopenhauer about women that help them rationalize their hatred, but a good novel or work on ethics will help you see things less narrowly, more appreciatively. Sure, it comes from a different age, so you have to translate its application to modernity yourself. But keeping with the greatest of the tradition will be worth far more to you than any time spent here or in your own doubts.

>>12530397
Learn about yourself. We dismiss our neuroses & anxieties as inevitable, but learn what they're about. Learn to divorce your thoughts from your reality. I guarantee that you're not social anxious due to physical factors, it's your response. It's your thoughts.

Learn to track your thoughts - to understand their pathology. To learn what makes you happy, distracted, scared. Learn that all your thoughts are equally irrelevant. Learn to accept the situation you're in or change it. Your thoughts don't need to be your reality.

>>12530356
TLP is good but he can he way too cynical at times. You gotta be careful with him. He likes to stray into DOOMER territory. You read Hotel Concierge? His style is much denser but the content is similar.

>>12530445
Yeah, was told that by therapist, but how do I learn this? I think it's always two steps forward, two steps back for me. I start to come across thought patterns and try to detach myself, do it more and more every day, and then I suddenly forget all about that and fall back into old habits and anxieties.

>>12530453

No man, I'm way too busy writing at a 5th grade level about saving the ozone and shit.

>>12530477
Remove the judgment you feel when you've lost your way. You need to ritualize it habitually, which is why people flock to meditation.

Don't try to perfect it, don't beat yourself up for thoughts or judgments - just return. Every time you slip, you return. You don't go, "Oh, I'm a failure, this will never work. See I fucked it up again." You go - oh I was in another recursive thought pattern and I conflated it to reality. These are restrictive delusions, I wonder where my mind will go next.

>>12530397
>t "meditation, meditation, exercise, diet, meditation, exercise" all over. I'm physically fit and cook good vegetable based stuff for myself, always walk everywhere and I'm successful at college (even getting awards etc).
So you never seriously tried to meditate and practice mindfulness?

>>12530539
I did, but it never really stuck. Did it for like 14 days, saw no change and let go. I really distrust flashy online articles and trendy advice and meditation was, for me at least, always somehow related to that. Or if it isn't that, it's related to some hinduist/buddhist stuff, which I distrust even more, since I don't really trust the idea that a westerner can just dive into eastern ways of thought without intense and scholarly preparation. However, I practice art (music and painting), which often times had meditative effects for me, much greater than those of direct meditation.

>>12530645
Think about it like this. You've tried it your way. It's making you unhappy.

You could realize that you actually like feeling self-pity and just want people to feel sorry for you. Or you could try something else.

Here's mindfulness in plain english: http://misc.equanimity.info/downloads/mindfulness_in_plain_english.pdf

>>12530207
This is true desu.

As normie as it may sound, a positive outlook in the face of adversity can mean the difference between opportunity and ruin

>>12530658
>Here's mindfulness in plain english: http://misc.equanimity.info/downloads/mindfulness_in_plain_english.pdf
Not him but what they ask you to do is near impossible. Just letting anyone do whatever they want to you, shit all over you and you're expected to just take it indefinitely.

>>12530683
If you live in a situation where you are being constantly shit on by people in a life-altering way its quite possible that no amount of exercise, diet, meditation or life-affirming experiences will help you.

It's much easier to find peace and happiness when you aren't fighting for your life. Have you considered moving somewhere civilised?

>>12530683
They don't ask you to merely accept life's circumstances. If you can change them, do. If you can't - then it asks you to reframe your thinking.

>>12530712
>If you live in a situation where you are being constantly shit on by people in a life-altering way its quite possible that no amount of exercise, diet, meditation or life-affirming experiences will help you.
>
>It's much easier to find peace and happiness when you aren't fighting for your life. Have you considered moving somewhere civilised?
Everybody on earth experiences it at some point in their life. If you can't get over some bullying you deserve to feel like shit and excluded for not meeting the standard for mental stability. Those who do this don't target people who can defend themselves, they target the weak who can't fight back (mainly defend themselves socially but also in all other ways). Thing is for me I'm inherently weak and I can't stop it from showing over time or in the first few seconds of someone meeting me, so others no matter where I end up will always be drawn to me and manipulate me, get pleasure out of it and go out of their way to make sure I fail or suffer because of them.
Its just inevitable. I'm in the UK, wouldn't be any different anywhere else, class doesn't matter either it would be inevitable no matter the refinement of those around me, its just I'm a magnet for abuse. Its wholly my fault you see a) for being inherently submissive and unable to defend myself b) for being unable to socially bond with others to the point where its uncomfortable for them
Probably sounds like delusional victimhood but its the truth, I've been continually reminded of this truth

Mark Manson - The Subtle Art of Not a Fuck

>>12530658
Hm, I know what you're aiming at, but wouldn't really say that's where the problem is. I'm actually really good at hiding my problems and probably no one suspects a thing. Also, I wasn't trying to say meditation doesn't work, just that there are probably other, more effective methods.
But I'd love to speak with someone who has practiced mindfulness or meditation and became a happier person because of it, so if you have any experience, I'd love a short description of how your life began to change after you began meditating (what were the first signs you noticed, has it helped in other areas, e.g. concentration, relationships etc.)

>>12530766
>Not Giving a Fuck*

Sorry, I just woke up at 4:30am.

>>12529611
not entirely literature and kind of played out at this point but unironically read stirner and listen to death grips beware constantly

it kind of gives you a distaste for the state as well as a sort of dark back against the wall motivation that if youve internalized the message, stays with you for life. just because its not just feel good bullshit, it's actually true. you start to realize you HAVE to do shit because the world doesnt want you to win if you dont have rich parents or connections. it wants to eat you and it will. your only goal in this life is to try to fight back and escape. nothing else matters

honestly drink alot of coffee and get aderrall if you can get it. then do whatever it is you want to do but are too scared to. then do it agin day after day.

caffeine addiction is a side effect but worth the gains and not the worst kind of addiction ultimately.

>>12530783
i agree with you but succumbing to the darwin game feels like giving up to me, everyone else wants to eat you because guess what? because if they don't they'll get eaten too. why go down with the ship?

>>12530428
Bump

>>12530658

Read that book. That's a great reccomendation from Anon.

>>12530645

You can apply meditation in whatever context you want. If you are a Christian you could just meditate with the image of Jesus Christ in your head instead of Buddha. You really do not need any preparation for meditation that is what is beautiful about it.

>>12530683
Have you actually read the book and given it any thought? Nothing even is asked from you and nothing is promised. The point is to detach "yourself" from you and everything else to see what the fuck actually is going on. Once you do that you can act wiser in any situation. If you're getting shit on all the time then by all means just get away, the book isn't advising you should take abuse.

>>12529611

>>12529989
>Seeing a therapist, as much as it would elicit laughter here, might be a good way to confront your issues.
t. Dr Feinbergsteinenthal

>>12530768

>But I'd love to speak with someone who has practiced mindfulness or meditation and became a happier person because of it, so if you have any experience, I'd love a short description of how your life began to change after you began meditating (what were the first signs you noticed, has it helped in other areas, e.g. concentration, relationships etc.)

Yeah, sure.

I started going to yoga practice regularly because I wanted more hip flexibility for rock climbing. At first I was a frustrated because 80% of the poses were for stuff that I felt like I didn't need to stretch. I kept going mostly because I was spending two hours a week in proximity to fit girls.

What I notice now is that I have better control of my mental state. It helps me deal with my autistic father without losing my shit. Conversely, it helps me have credible reactions on stage, because I can also lose my shit in character. The cues for emotions are actually based on breathing, which is what vinyasa flows are all about.

One big thing thing, in terms of my happiness, is the community. Since I have autism it's really cathartic to be able to go to a yoga studio and connect with people through movement.

Meditation is a way of cataloging emotions that allows you to have control over more of your nervous system. The people at my gym, actors, the zen motherfuckers at the top of mountains, all these people share an acute awareness of a) their bodily preconception and b) emphatic connection with the people around them.

It's hard to understand it in terms of neuroscience, so everyone resorts to the gay spiritual shit. Someone in this thread said east vs. western thought, which is a interesting way of looking at it. But there are cubicle workers in China who are also clueless, regardless of how individualistic or not individualistic they are. Do it for two years and you'll have your own explanation of what it means, that may or may not involve Buddha statues & tie dye.

>>12529611
writing your own self-help book

>>12530303
Kill yourself subhuman, I hope you die soon

>>12530956

summary the advantages in a nutshell:

- fixed my back pain
- got in touch with my hemorrhoids
- girls think I'm more relatable (the ones who do yoga anyway)
- can cry on cue
- can feel temporary happiness on cue
- I can choose not to be sad when my dad yells at me
- can retrain my body's flight-or-fight response
- laugh at plebes getting stressed out in traffic
- can raise low-level corpses

>>12530894

>You can apply meditation in whatever context you want. If you are a Christian you could just meditate with the image of Jesus Christ in your head instead of Buddha.

This is so true, about applying meditation in different contexts. Just like Buddha Jesus. You can apply Buddha Jesus in so many different contexts too.

>>12529611
Some self help penis washing trash probably.
What is some good mid twenties sooner literature, though?

>>12530796
its not everyone else that wants to eat you, its the world system as it is. msot people dont really give a fuck about you and are actually kind of nice. a lot of people aren't but they'll let you know that pretty early for the most part. everyone if given the choice would choose them or you and theres nothing wrong with that.

you can't succumb to the darwin game because you're already in it. this is what those forever adolescents who spend time playing video games and collecting yu gi oh cards or whatever dont understand. and ditto for the people who just work a regular job and get shitfaced at a club during the weekend for their entire lives.

the war is against you, the game is already being played and you are an active participant. you dont get to choose whether to be a part of it or not, you get to choose very little you can only choose how you react to getting punched in the face by it. you can lie down and die like a dog or you can fight back, regardless of the odds with everything and every second you've got.

>>12529697

delet this

>>12531060
this is a pretty fucky wucky image

>>12529611
The Foundation for Exploration

>>12530218
to add a bit into what this anon said, what has really helped me alot (probably more than anything) is to stop trusting myself.

the whole reason you are where you are is because you're you and you do things that keep you where you are.

in order to change who you are, you must do things and think things in a way that you would not do.

it seems simple but it's alot harder than you think.

i don't elieve in self discipline, like i don't really believe in free will. we aren't all powerful and ultimately we're kind of useless if left on to our own devices.

the way to change this is to not look inside, but actually outside. put yourself in an environment where you will do the work or whatever you need to do because you have taken away the choice from yourself. sort of like burning the ship you came on.

i force myself to attend gatherings by saying yes to everything even when i dont want to. because "I" can't be trusted. In order to become something better, i must do things i cant do, and the only way to do that is to try and to fail, and the only way to try is to put myself in positions where future me will have no option but to try

i rarely spend time at home for this reason. im out the door within an hour of waking up, and take care of my outfit and food the night before so as to minimize time or reaosns i will tell myself for laying in bed longer or taking more time in leaving. the more time spent at home the more time is spent wasted and frankly doing nothing. even if i have nothing to do im usually at a park or coffeeshop or something doing work on a computer or writing things or drawing or reading. because what else am i gonna do out here? might as well.

>>12530750
You remind me of my own view of myself when I was younger and you may be entirely right in your summary. But there's no reason to believe you are inherently weak, and Strength is also the lowest virtue there is. It takes no strength to be honest, humble, brave, kind, true to your own values, etc.

Let go of your pride and vanity, you're no especially pathetic piece of vermin nor are you going to become Alexander the Great over night. Get out of your head and see that the people around you have more in common with you than you think.

And the country is bigger than it seems bro, moving isn't so hard and a change of setting can do your soul some good. Although that's entirely up to you.

>>12529611
blessed pic

>>12529611
My Diary to the power of -1, desu.

>>12529616
go-getter has low iq

>>12529611
Nigger.

>>12529697
>doesn't fap for 18 hours
It's called Intermittent Voluntary Celibacy, dumbass.

>>12531409

>not fapping for 18 hours

it's called meth, dumbass

>>12531592
Kek

>>12531592
>tried adderall to see if I could read a bunch of books fast
>jerk off for 4 days
every time

>>12529626
Kek

>>12529611
Aeneid, Paradise Lost and Faust.

>>12529616
Go-getter ain't a bitch.

>>12529989
His point I can only imagine is that the reasons you do not have a healthy and enjoyable liftestyle by default is due to some endemic psychological problem and pushing into the self-improvement meme is just going to fall flat overtime because willpower is itself a meme.

>>12529702
Life ain't shit, don't let it get in the way of your dreams and ambitions. Fuck that bitch dry and then some, and remember not to lose your way..

>>12529989
Why can't you just read a book on cognitive behavioral therapy instead?

>>12529999
sublime, subliminal

>>12531060
based
>>12531115

>>12530428
>is that if you're a misogynist, you gotta let that go
The misogynistic talks on 4chan are the reflection of a society where the masculine and feminine are in deep imbalance, not actual islamic level of babaric beliefs, or at least that's how I interpret. Women always had great power and within western cultural boundaries that's a really enjoyable thing, but outside they really turn into the evil beasts of the ancient tales.

>>12529989
>therapist
Fuck off little bitch

>>12529702
>the gay science
was nietzsche a fag-lover? what the fuck.

>>12532309
this desu i talk about hating women and niggers because it's transgressive and therefore cathartic.

>>12530927
the one off hand recommendation in this thread

last year I was 23yo doomer
now I 24yo go getter
shits strange eh lads

>>12532694
and I'll say now the only difference is I get up faster for work and would rather stay late than go home early
and I'm easing my clothes more frequently the saying of clothes cleaning themselves after 2 months is true but leading up to thay market meh

>>12529616
>bloomer
has accepted the current state of everything, satisfied with the fact that he merely was given the blessing of life
>go-getter
unhappy with their current state, driven to improve, probably won't

>>12529611
I wonder which financial institution OP is on the pay-roll for

>>12529626
kame kame ha

>>12529611
>literature
>meme literature
>meme categories

>>12529626
cringe

>>12530683
>Just letting anyone do whatever they want to you, shit all over you and you're expected to just take it indefinitely.
What is going on with your life circumstances that you think this is normal?

>>12531060
i laughed way more at the pic than i should have

>>12531854
Kek yeah that shit is a meme.
Tried to study with it but just became really focused on meaningless tasks and fapping

>>12529611
Bible
Sun and Steel
BAP book
Master & Commander
Some history of Alexander or something

>>12529611
This is unironically, literally me.

>>12532309
Or, it's people that are either bitter virgins or dumb children that have fallen into toxic echo chambers like /r9k/ and /pol/, hence all the negativity.

>>12530768
What I do is on most days I'll sit in the shower and ask myself "what do I want", "why do I want it", and "what am I feeling right now". I analyze and answer all of these questions then I make a plan of attack for the next day. Once these are done I sit for a few minutes just letting my mind wander.

Being able to sit with yourself for a long period of time, no music, tv or whatever distractions just your thoughts can be hard for some people. Being at peace with yourself though means you become at peace with the world. That's a big difference I've found. Pretty much nothing bothers me anymore.

>>12529989
>t. Suicidal person
Now I'm really driven follow this advice

>>12531212
thanks anon, this is good advice

>what's done is done
>a man is a sum of his actions

uhhhh

>>12529702
How is The Fall a fucking Doomer book? It's a book about bad faith and how deceiving yourself can break you as a person. If anything, it should be in the Bloomer section as a warning of what a person can become if they cower behind their ego in a refusal to confront the reality of their situation.

>>12529626
>ayn rand
kek
good shitpost

>>12529611
When do these stop being so absolutely fucking lame?

In all it's many forms threads like these are really the fucking worst. I am devoid of personality but I have now attached a cringy label to myself and now I am too dumb to find books to build my echo chamber, help me out.

>>12529611
Schopenhauer is the doomer
Nietzsche is the go-getter

>>12531212
Based as fuck. I’m making the switch. Thanks for spelling it out

if literature is meant to improve life, what exactly is life? fucking chicks, money, literature itself maybe

>>12538701
in my miserable life seeing the go getter meme pop up has literally helped me

as if the once subconscious demons from religion (azaroth, beelzebub, etc) have been now codified into meme symbols seared in your recesses

>>12538811
weird digits

The answer to any question is to just read Shakespeare and to look at pretty girls

>>12538701
Finally, a decent -oo-er meme

>>12536169
a man is a sum of his actions, not results/preconditions.

>>12529611
>what is done is done
>there is only forwards

I wish I was dumb enough to live by this code

Look i made one of these too :)

>>12532241
This is the way to go.

I made one too

>>12538951
I would give anything to settle with a 20-something white femaler holy shit

>>12538971
They literally grow on trees, go outside and pick one.

>>12539010
Not him but 20 something white women usually have dirty feet so that's a no from me dawg

>>12538969
Literally me

>>12529611
have some oc,
take the pure pill

Patrician: >>12538969
Pleb: >>12539167

>>12529611
The communist manifesto and all anarchist polemics (like crimethinc, Alfredo Bonnano)

>>12531097

Or you could opt out of a shit deal.

I think the video game people might understand that better than you, and I say that as someone who is trying to play the game on it's own terms. I understand those who opt out, and respect their decision.

>>12531327

>It takes no strength to be honest, humble, brave, kind, true to your own values, etc.

Bull
Shit

These are the only things in life that really require strength.

>>12538701
kek bretty good
>what if society

>>12530207
>implying
it's just a brief mania episode

>>12529999
checked

>>12531212
>>12536113
>>12538753
This is a short term solution. Soon you will adjust, and going to a coffee shop or library to get stuff done will lose it's novelty and it will be the exact same as if you were alone in your room doing nothing. You will avoid things you actually need to do, and just keep up the pretension, the illusion, that you are being productive. I know because I followed the advice of not trusting yourself, but turns out I'm even more untrustworthy than I thought. I do not know what's the next step, perhaps religion, supposedly thats why AA is actually effective.

>>12538951
nice work bro :)

>>12529611

>>12531212
>>12536113
>>12538753
This is literally just ignoring the issue and will not work in the long-term.
>>12531327
>It takes no strength to be honest, humble, brave, kind, true to your own values, etc.
Holy shit imagine being this fucking retarded.

>>12530303
>reddit spacing
utra yikes

>>12539018
haha you got any pics to prove that?

>>12529702
Thought I was a doomer, but I read a lot of works from the bloomer list.
Am I a Doombloomer?

>>12532455
Gay means happy you fruit

>>12540056


it makes no fucking sense my man

like look at
>>12538945
why is there a space between the greentext but not the quotes? asymmetrical as fuck

and everyone uses newline for titles:
>>12540768
the post number is the same thing as a title.

yeah it makes sense if you habitually make one line posts:
>>12534496
>>12534782

u should accuse people by the hivemind they bring to the table rather than dumb formatting shit. until ~6 months ago there was plenty of unmoderated drug sourcing subreddits that were alright. every time some kiddo got arrested bobsledding xanax over the canadian border there'd be a thread about it. it's all gone downhill now though.

bump

>>12539807
Great. One should have gone through the Doomer stage to get into Bloomer.

>>12533539
>tfw no cross to burn her on

>>12540072
nah no pics, just from observations living life. i hate dirty feet.

>>12540872
>asymmetrical
True. I regret the decision.

>>12529626
>(((ayn rand)))

>>12541502

Women with gross feet aren't women, if we're honest. When raised well, women are informed about the powers and social and cultural obligations of keeping their fertility tidy, clean and if possible colorful. In less degrading times, a simple tattoo on an otherwise modest woman's foot would convey a powerful appeal.

>>12539538
Thanks fren :3

>>12529697
ouch.

also can't believe no one's posted Pic Related yet.

>>12530428
blessed post

>>12539525
i dont know what to tell you. my method has always worked for me and still does. maybe youre just a loser

>>12541805
>Women with gross feet aren't women
words to live by

>>12538969
Based

>>12529697
delete