/lit/ - Literature

>>12545487
Is it possible to prove the divinity of Christ?

Were there any closet homos like in The Name of the Rose

>>12545487
Which order?

How many faps a day?

I’ll responf in 30 minutes, I’m driving home at the moment

>>12545487
Which order was it?

Do they use condoms?
Why did you leave?

>>12545487
did you get raped?

>>12545487
describe your daily schedule, please!
i've always wondered about the personal experiences.

>>12545488
I’m sure someone wiser than me could.

>>12545494
Nope, the monastery was adamant about not allowing anyone with past homosexual urges in since they saw what happened to other places that did.

>>12545496
Carmelite

>>12545597
how was your abbot?

>>12545514
They were celibate so no need for condoms but Catholics ont use those anyways.

I left because I didn’t feel any sort of peace with the monastery life. I loved my brothers and had a lot of fun but there was still something missing. Now I’m wondering if there will always be something missing in my life.

>>12545487
How much homosex was going on?

>>12545593
Looking for some virgin ass, werent they?based

>>12545600
is there a punishment for leaving? can you return if you want, or go to other monestaries?
what did you usually eat?

>>12545593
What happened?

Do you believe in God?

>>12545487
What did you actually do while you were there?

>>12545586
I woke up very early, around 4 am I believe. We had a morning mass and then breakfast while the choir monks did their prayers. Then we went to work. Most days I helped build the new monastery we were moving to but some days I worked in a shop where they sent out items to customers to support the building costs. Are lunch during the day and went back to work. We would usually pray the rosary through the day, getting 15 decades done per day. Then we would go back to our hermitages and sleep until the next day.

>>12545599
Well in this order he was called a prior and he was honestly the kindest man I’ve ever met, he could see when something was wrong even when you tried your best to be strong and push through.

>>12545618
how many times a day is there communal prayer?
or does one pray in ones room for most of the time

>>12545487
how were the rules of silence? the trappists have the 20 hours of silence, but how strict are the carmelites?

>>12545610
There is no punishment and I can return if I really wish, they said I will always have a home with them if I’m ever called.

Usually we are what was donated. Once the place is fully built we would eat only fish for any sort of meat. But when I was there people made crab dishes, philly cheese steak, pizza, chicken, etc.

>>12545487
What were the best parts of living in a monastery?

>>12545613
I'm not OP.
Monasteries and seminaries that allow gay men end up becoming gay clubs. In my country, there are seminaries where most seminarists have AIDS.

>>12545616
Mostly pray, go to mass, and work. Ora et labora

>>12545627
Depends if you’re a lay brother or choir monk. Choir monks are either priests or going through seminary formation and do most of the chanting and prayers. Lay brothers went to communal prayers Aube twice a day and stuck to 15 decades of the rosary most of the time.

can you describe some technical latin terms which were in use at the monestary?

>>12545630
Usually the rule of silence started after dinner and ended after breakfast.

>>12545638
The fact that you always had your brothers to comfort you and strengthen you. When I started out I was crying my first week because my mother hurt so bad from me leaving and I had a priest with the biggest heart ever to comfort me. The cool part is that it lets you see that normal people can become saints, usually when I read about the saints i see very stoic, almost perfect people in my head. But the monastery showed me anyone can become holy and still have a great time.

>>12545650
There wasn’t much that I knew. A lot of stuff I can’t really share with the outside world because old carmelite traditions.

>>12545487
Did you have any outstanding student loans?

>>12545669
Nope

>>12545667
what a shame, i'd love to hear about it all

>>12545673
Most monasteries don’t use Latin that much in normal conversation

have you read A canticle for Leibowitz?

Do you feel that the experience changed you in any way?

>>12545680
No I haven’t

>>12545682
Yes most definitely, I grew a great love for monastic life and love supporting them any way I can.

You did not seemto study a lot through the day, mostly working and praying in a hurry between two tasks, am I correct ?

I really loved the monk life as described in Travels with a Donkey in the Cévennes by Stevenson.

>>12545487
Were they gays all having gay sex with eachother? Seriously my greater fear of the monk meme is that they have a secret prison sexuality undercurrent going on.

What is the intellectual formation for monks nowadays? Do you read Plato, Epictetus, Aquinas, etc?

>>12545703
Yes, since I just entered it was important to get the schedule hammered into me. I did get to study though, I did reading before bed and sometimes I was given time after lunch to study.

>>12545487
What is your background? Were you always religious? Why did you join? What did you learn? Do you still carry God in your heart?

>>12545704
Absolutely not. You would be removed if there was any hint of attraction to another man.

>>12545711
I mostly read the saints while I was there. I’m sure the ones going through seminary got to study philosophy.

How intelligent are monks? Another prejudice I have is the idea they were babysitting grounds to dump retard sons during the Medieval era.

>>12545718
Based

>>12545715
I’ve always believed in a higher power, except for my edgy atheist phase in 7th grade. I joined to help pray for the salvation of souls and to help be a part of history since I was helping build a new monastery. I learned that normal people like you and me can become great saints. I still carry god with me but it gets hard sometimes. I felt like this would be my life and then it ended up not working and I felt lost, so it feels kinda like I got abandoned after I left.

>>12545725
They were very smart, some of the smartest men I’ve ever met.

>>12545743
>g instead of G
it's God!

When/why did you leave? what are you doing now?

>>12545750
Caught me, the monks were smart but I’m not.

>>12545752
I left last year, can’t remember what month but it was before winter hit. I left because I couldn’t feel peace doing it, like I couldn’t see myself being happy 10 years in the future. Right now I’m just working and trying to figure out a new game plan.

Was living frauen-frei the greatest of all great things or did you miss women?

>>12545722
I have read an article in a newspaper about a monk arguing in favor of a sexually active homosexual lifestyle.
By his arguments, he clearly had no idea about Plato, Aquinas, etc.

Your monastery seemed to be in a better shape. Did people understand why they should live an ascetic lifestyle?

Movie reccomendation: Die Große Stile (2005) I wanted to live like that after seeing it

>>12545487
Don't you want to shave your head completely sometimes?
I'd like to try.

>>12545766
Honestly I kinda missed women because I started feeling called to marriage when I was there. I had to help grab stuff in stores sometimes and had to keep my eyes down from all the pretty women that were around.

>>12545767
Yes they all understood the importance of asceticism.

>>12545772
Not now since I want a wife and need to look good, but yeah if I was in a religious life I would.

>>12545779
That's nice. It is good to know there are some places where clergy look as an example Anthony the Great rather than Foucault.

>>12545787
Yeah it was nice seeing it.

>>12545487
How was your monastery related to the larger church hierarchy?

How do you reconcile your faith with a pope who preaches what many have described as modernist heresy?

Did you have any oblates, and what was their daily life like?

What type of people monastery gathered? Extremely pious? Misanthropes? People who were tired of social conventions?

>>12545815
We were under the authority of the bishop in the area.

The pope is only infallible in certain instances. I’m starting to see him get more frustrated with what’s going on in the church and I think he’s slowly getting more stern.
There were a couple oblates but not many.

>>12545820
They were far from misanthropic, they love other people very much. It gathered all types of men. All of them were very kind and had great hearts, that’s the type that the monastery gathered.

>>12545748
Not anon you were responding to but how intelligent? What is it exactly that made them intellgient? Knowledge of philosophy? The way they defended their belief? Also, how would you defend God and Christ to an atheist?
t. lost and trying to accept God and Christ after almost a decade of fedorahood.

>>12545840
I’d say what made them smart was the constant study of the saints. They were also smart when it came to operating construction equipment and learning how to do rock carving. I would suggest to atheists to read the saints, but I would also have them look to the Eucharistic miracles that convinced me.

>>12545838
Interesting. I thought monks mostly were in those three categories. I shouldn't confuse hermits and monks it seems.

>>12545856
Well don’t get me wrong, I’d put them in the pious category.

>>12545487
how do you deal with sexual frustration?

>>12545883
I was honestly so tired that it was difficult to be too aroused.

>>12545597
Was there any accent on the mystical writings of your patron saint, John of the Cross?

>>12545487
How many times did you masturbate?

Based on your experience could Apu be a monk?

>>12545947
Zero

>>12545942
Thé carmélite saints were often read more than others.

>>12545956
Who is apu, I’m pretty new here.

Well we can tell from this thread than you're a cut above the rest of us who only ask retarded questions about sex, masturbation, and sodomy.

Good luck in your spiritual journey monkbro.

>>12545980
Whats your question fagget?

>>12545966
How long did you stay there?
Also, do you think they do it sometimes or they are trully caste?
Sorry for the dumb question

>>12545980
Thanks bro, I’m sure you’re a good guy too.

>>12545830
>I’m starting to see him get more frustrated with what’s going on in the church and I think he’s slowly getting more stern.
But he is a cause of much of it, especially if the Vigano letter is true. He is subservient to Muslim conquerors and wealthy progressive interests and enemies of the Chruch, he embraces radical Islamic clerics who advocate for the murder of Christian converts, he is promoting divorce and turning a blind eye to pedophilia and homosexual networks, he is cracking down on traditional masses, and he is now changing the Lord's Prayer.

It's deeply frightening to see the leader of the institution which created the Western world and the visible head of the militant Church so weak, hypocritical, and self-destructive. I am sincerely worried that if he and others like him are not reformed, the Church will face a series of crippling schisms which it may not survive

>>12546009
Stayed there about a month. I think sometimes the new people may slip up, but I’d say they are truly chaste.

You mentioned a rule of silence - how strictly was it enforced?
Was your costume comfortable? How often was it washed?
Also, what country was this in? (You don't have to answer this question if you think it puts you privacy at risk.)

>>12546014
We must remember that our lord promised that the gates of hell would never prevail against our church. I’m soon we will get a very traditional pope.

>>12546023
It was pretty strictly enforced, but of course if you’re new there’s More leniency. It’s called a habit and you don’t really receive one until a year after you enter. This was in the USA.

I played with the thought of entering a monastery - not seriously however - when I had the feeling of needing some guidance or some authority that tells me what to do with myself. However I, being anti-religious, judged that I would not find the answer to that by religion, more through philosophy or science.
Do you think the above reason is an influence for many people who decide to join monastic life?

>>12546037
Sure, it’s hard to know how we should act spiritually and it’s nice to have people that are experienced guide us.

>>12545593
I had a gay teacher who used to be a monk. Dude was on fucking fire and sucked as a person. Good call on their end.

>>12545977
Apu is the badly drawn frog mr monk

>>12545593
>Nope, the monastery was adamant about not allowing anyone with past homosexual urges
chaste and breadpilled

>>12546040
Is it called apu when Pepe is retarded? And sure, as long as he didn’t have too many special needs he would be fine. I’d argue that people with autism or assburgers would be pretty fitted for monastic life. Down syndrome would be a no from me tho if it was too advanced.

>>12545487
Are the Jews the Servants of the Devil?

>>12546039
It actually sucks because some places had so many issues they had to enforce a “no touching” rule where you couldn’t even hug your brothers in Christ for fear of butt pirates.

How is this related to literature?

>>12546060
Any blasphemous heretics and heathens are servants of satan

>>12546064
/lit/ is also for discussing religion

Now that you've left, do you still keep in touch with your fellow monks? I'm guessing phones are a big no, save for having to call 911 in an emergency, but letters are okay to send, right?
What have you been reading now that you've left? Have you stuck to Christian writings?
How is the object of your study assigned? Just a list of books to go through in any order, or a proper study plan?

>>12545487
How do you even leave a monastery? Do u just say "later guys" and walk out the door?

How did the conversation go?

>>12546066
Why do you think Jews push so much pornography and degeneracy into our society?

>>12546064
Provided he is not larping, he is providing a window into understanding a facet that appears in many pieces of literature of which we are generally ignorant.

>>12546075
I actually call the prior and sub prior every once in a while to keep in touch. I also sent letters and cookies last Christmas. I’ve been reading the scriptures since I left but honestly I haven’t been doing as much reading as I should be. At the monastery you read whatever is assigned by the novice director.

It's good that you tried at least, OP. I think a lot of people who feel somewhat called to that life never give it a shot.

At least now when you live your lay life you know that you explored the options.

>>12546076
I spoke with the novice director(who was also the prior) about how I felt and he said that there was no point in keeping someone that was miserable in the life. I was wanting to complete a year to really get a feel for things but I submitted to his judgement. They helped arrange a bus ride home and helped me call my parents for a pickup.

>>12546073
>>11931854
>Anonymous ## Mod
>/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/.

>>12546061
I can't help but feel like it is a lost cause, the church having so many problems with gay men and pedos. Idk, I don't think it will ever end

>>12546080
I’m less concerned with a persons race than I am with their soul. People are evil and will often push pornography no matter what race they are, grow up and quit acting like it’s an issue of race when it’s really an illness of the soul.

>>12546087
You could justify nearly any topic in the same way.

How removed from the external world are you when at the monastery? Do you have internet access? TV? Newspapers? What sort of media and communication is there?

>>12546118
Thanks for the answer : )

>>12546104
That’s how I felt honestly, plus it’s a cool story to have.

>>12546120
We got occasional news updates from the monks that carried phones, mostly just them telling us about disasters that occurred and to pray for the victims.

>>12546119
People seem to like the topic, you can always leave the thread if you don’t want to read about it :)

>>12546064
There is nothing more /lit/ than becoming a monk, and I say this as a psychiatrist.

>>12546066
Based monkbro

What do you think about theology of liberation? What about being less stern with gay people and the likes?
Isn't it radical chistianity?

>>12546111
/his/ it's a chesspool of idiots, full of degeneracy and worst than /pol/ faggots

>>12546135
>People seem to like the topic
I like it too but it doesn't belong here.

>>12546172
Marxism and Christianity can’t mix no matter how you try. Liberation theology is honestly cancer. Being less stern with gays in the church is what led to the abuse scandal we have now, so I think if anything we should be more strict with them.

Were there any particular discussions regarding Eastern religions? Do you have any particular thoughts on Hinduism?

Has your monastery ever reached out to Buddhists, Jain, or Hindu Monks?

>>12546181
Well then maybe someone is writing a story about a monk and needs to know what it’s like, but yeah I skimmed the /lit/ summary at the top of the page and thought it said it allowed this stuff, I also saw stuff about debating Catholicism so I thought this was a good page.

>>12546204
It was a strictly Roman Catholic monastery, no other religions were allowed. I have no specific thoughts on Hinduism but I get a craving for a slim Jim and icee every time I think about it.

>>12546195
>Marxism and Christianity can’t mix no matter how you try
What is the idea of the church then? Poeple should seize their poverty as a chance to live an ascetic life?

>>12546181
Suck a fat one

>>12546216
Yes they should, blessed are the poor in spirit.

I’m the end all you are doing is covetting your neighbors possessions and stealing them.

>>12546210
>no specific thoughts on Hinduism but I get a craving for a slim Jim and icee every time I think about it.
I'm not quite sure what you mean here. What's the relation here?

>>12546218
Be nice. we shouldn’t speak to our brothers and sisters that way.

>>12546224
711 is run by people from India, it was my poor attempt at humor.

>>12546229
For some reason, I expected better than generalizations like that from you, Monkbro. Regardless, thanks for the thread.

>>12546220
Sorry man, but this sounds like bullshit. First, the way you put it, te ultra rich desrve the wealth, as if they have worked for it, or even contributed to society proportionally to their money. Second, how can you look at a starving person and say that they are better off like that? I feel like directing your soul towards religion should be an option, right? You have to be at least well fed to think about this stuff

>>12546242
All I’m saying is that you can use your suffering to increase your spiritual wealth. Of course I believe that extremely rich people should give a lot to the poor since they are so bounteous but I can’t force them too and can’t support taking the money from them as if it were on loan from me.

>>12546240
Eh, i still grew up in the country and find that stuff funny, but yeah I should do better.

>>12546259
Yeah, I'm not a communist or anything, but I feel like we should have legal ways to do this stuff, abolishing tax havens, restricting financialization...
About the rest of my question, wht does the church say about gay people then? As far as I know, it is not a choice, so they were born to go to hell?

>>12545680
Is it good anon? Just checked it out and it seems interesting

>>12546284
Gay people are able to be saved but must follow the same rules that apply to everyone in terms of sex and stuff. We all sin and fall short of the glory of god but can obtain salvation.

>>12546195
Very nice, I hope most of your brothers were of the same opinion concerning liberation theology, it's huge in my country and most definitely cancer

>>12546294
people these days think being sexually active is a birthright that is owed to them though, including gays, pedos and incels.

>>12546195
based and redpilled

>>12545487
What convinced you that there is a creator and that your religion was the right path?
Do you think it's possible to have a completely secular ethical system based on science and facts? This is coming from a guy who is non religious yet realizes the amount of degeneracy like polyamory and antinatalism coming from atheist communities. I wish they adopted a viewpoint similar to Catholicism yet backed up by science.

>>12546359
>a completely secular ethical system based on science and facts
Wait for IA to take over and guide us to our doom.

>>12546372
I meant Artificial Intelligence as in AI

>>12546359
I looked at the theological arguments for Catholicism and vowed to follow the churches teachings.

I don’t think any morality can come from science since all morality is philosophical and metaphysical in nature.

>>12546372
>>12546375
basado y rojopillado

>>12545487
What was their policy on tobacco usage? The times I have smoked a pipe and contemplated the day have ushered in the deepest meditations. It seems the prohibition on tobacco usage is recent.

>>12546387
They don’t use tobacco because it’s an expensive habit. Same with alchohol except for communion wine.

>>12546387
I really like pipes and cigars too though.

Are you involved in lay orders or training for deaconhood now that you are in the world? Have you considered missionary work?

>>12546405
I am currently not but I want to apply to the Institute of Christ the king sovereign priest. But I would honestly love to do missionary work someday.

>>12546395
I think it can be done cheaply. Especially if moderated to very occasional use, say once a week, or even month.

>>12545487
What are you doing with your life now?

What would you recommend to someone that wants to be more devout. More specifically: how do I go around being more religious? I can't stand service yet, and prayer is something I do poorly, but I felt inspired and hopeful after reading the New Testament

>>12546395
The trappists near me have created a huge brewery that is winning tons of awards

Did you get paid? Thinking of joining the Church as a career path and becoming the next Cardinal Wolsey

>>12546451
read good religious fiction. Shusaku Endo, Sigrid Undset, Graham Greene, Flannery O'Connor etc

>>12546453
Well the group I was with didn’t Brew beer for income.

>>12546445
Just working and coming up with another game plan, trying to get a girlfriend too.

>>12546451
Force yourself to go to mass and pray daily, ask for strength to keep growing

>>12546531
>trying to get a girlfriend too

>>12546462
You take a vow of poverty when you become a monk, friar, or nun. If you become a diocesan priest then you get paid a salary.

>>12546543
It’s rough man, no catholic QT3.14s in my area

>>12546207
it's totally fine, this is better than most of the garbage on this board

Do they tell you what stuff to read?

This thread dying out, so see you guys, I’ll pray for all of you.

>>12545488
you can make pretty good inductive argument, a plausible demonstration

>>12546596
here are the links:
disregard the first link

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4001.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp7gAm6TxFw&t=226s

>>12546608
fuck, forgot the pic, sorry

thoughts on Jesuits?

Do you think celibacy rules for normal priests should be removed to let them marry? Stop the the clergy being so homo

>>12546552
Try looking online as a last resort if you can't find any online. Or going back to monastery even.
>>12546195
The "religion is the opiates" part I can't see cooperating with religion. But the corporate and government wealthy not giving a crap about the populace and resorting to cheap labor can be detrimental to quality of life. I don't know if Catholicism can provide an answer to that problem but I know Marx attempted to, so I don't see how some tenets of Marxism can be incorporated into theology. From my point of view, it's not liberal or conservative per se, but an answer to giving interests back to the people instead of the very wealthy and powerful.

Do they accept people with no degrees? I stopped going to school at 16
I feel a strong vocation to contemplation and silence, I know God is calling me to leave everything. I've been reading lots of books about spirituality and life of saints. But I'm afraid since I really don't have anything to offer more than my presence and admiration for Him.
Thanks

>>12545487
Want to smell my wife's snatch, you little faggot?

>>12546585
Thanks based monkbro, don't go to /s/ though, as I'm dumping a massive ass folder right now.

>>12546285
it is very good, i highly recommend it.

>>12546689
Why would you need a degree to join? It sounds absurd

>>12546766
I don't know, I guess if there's a lot of candidates they'll choose the ones that got a certificate that demonstrates their wisdom

Thanks for the thread monkbro!

Any book in particular for learning how to properly pray?
I'm sure there's more to it than what they teach you at the catechism

>>12545600
You had a lot of fun? What did you do for fun exactly, or in your down time?

>>12545956
No. Tryhards cannot be monks.

What is the path to the monastery for a previously nonreligious person? I long for a pure life that a monk leads, but I would feel fraudulent trying to get into a monastery because I have no deep knowledge of Christianity. If I were to be serious about joining, should I devote a few years to study and good works, or do some abbots/priors let in men who seem to possess a sufficient level of potential despite not having much of a religious background?

>>12546619
>>12546608

>there are substances that exist
gonna be tough proving anything with a flawed first premise

OP, if you're still there, I have a question. I am a convert to Catholicism, and in my past I was bisexual, but after becoming Catholic I came to realized I was only sexually confused because of events in my childhood. I have virtually wiped all homosexual urges in my mind. When you say they don't let anyone with a homosexual past into a monastery, do you mean just any homosexual who wants to be a monk, or does it also include something like my case, where somebody had a homosexual past but repented it? I've considered joining a monastery but its not set in stone.

>>12547119
Not him, but if you truly have a desire I'm sure they would let you in, we Catholics have to forgive, we cannot judge, only Him can. If they refuse you, be thankful to god, remember all is Grace, and keep relying on him.
St. Joseph of Cupertino was refused at 4 or 5 monasteries before he could enter one
Or look at St Benedict Joseph Labre, he tried to join lots of monasteries but God revealed his true path and he accepted his plan and become a pilgrim
I'm also considering joining a monastery, and, like you, have homosexual stains in my past
Let's pray for each other my neighbor

>>12546129
Would you prey for non-Christians as well?
What let you to adopt a monk's life in the first place?

>>12546048
kek/10

>>12545597
Do you mean you worked at a brewery and dressed like a monk?

what did your parents / people in your life think?

could you leave for an extended time and like sleep somewhere else? (like, visiting family)


is the lifestyle more about avoiding excess, or rather resisting pleasures/diversions? for example, did you have a smart phone?

>>12545597
How much free time did you have? I want to join a monastery, but I'm afraid it's just too much work and prayer to leave me anytime to do anything else. I'd want 3 hours a night just to be by myself and read and unwind.

why doesn't God talk to me bros
is it because I touch myself at night

>>12547832
Maybe you should take loads of L-DOPA if you want to talk to god

>>12547881
what? there is no mention of L-DOPA in the bible

>>12545743
Good for you anon.
God Bless

>>12545487
Are you one of those faggot christlarpers who got into catholicism because you thought it was "based" ?

one day while hitchhiking a priest and franciscan monk pulled over and gave me a ride,i felt the rough wool of his robe,he said it touches his bare back always,he also had what looked like a fake patch that was sewed with a machine like an oogle would do.he tried to talk about the coarseness of the robe but i told him it was an outfit that i would like while thinking of the cheep ass threadbear china made walmart shirt i was wearing,

despite being an oogle the monk was a cool guy

>>12547963
what is this verbal diarrhea
learn to fucking write

>>12546689
>>12546766
Monasteries like to see that you are committed to something. If you are a NEET, they are likely going to skeptical about your monastic prospects, as they should be. A degree shows you are at least somewhat committed to something, but of course, they are never going to deny you because you don't have a degree. If you have stable spiritual life and health, and self discipline, they will most likely take you in.

>>12546814
The Cloud of Unknowing and the works of St. John of the Cross are both advanced books on prayer. If you are looking for introductions, simply getting a good prayer book will do you very well. I have a SSPX prayer book that has all the pre Vatican II prayers in English and Latin. It is very good, despite the fact I have issues with the order.

>>12546897
If you are interested at any degree, find a spiritual father at your local church to guide you. Many great Saints had just a faint desire that grew with proper spiritual direction. You don't need to devote meaningless years just to get to a point of acceptance, but you do need to understand that monastic life is a serious commitment. You should be praying the rosary daily at the very least before making any big spiritual decisions. I think you have great potential though, anon! If you are pure in your desires, the abbot will recognize it.

>>12547119
Numerous early pagans that converted had partaken in homosexual acts in the past. As long as you have self discipline and have freed yourself from lechery, you will have a good chance of being accepted.

>>12546897
Monasteries are open to anyone who's interested in dedicating their life to prayer. It depends on the order but they usually require you to be baptized and in good standing for at a year or so. In order to become a baptized Catholic you usually have to go through an education course they set up for you. It's called RCIA and you'll have plenty of time to learn what's what and whether or not you want to become a Christian.

>>12547326
>>12547776
Every order will have different policies on spare time and interactions with the outside world. Some Franciscan Friars that help the poor live essentially a normal life with the only difference being that they live communally and have group prayer. Others like the Carthusians have absolutely no contact with the outside world and live in complete silence, spare a report from the abbot every week or so. Everyone has a different spiritual vocation and so, different orders are for different people. The Carmelites are more mystical in nature than other orders. The Dominicans tend to focus lots on intellectual pursuits and apologetics. The Benedictines are a bit of everything.

However, as you grow in love and self-mastery, I think most monks desire more austere practices than the opposite. The most important thing is to simply know thyself.

>>12547977
i never went to school past 6th grade,anyway this being /lit/ you should know about scriptio continua with non standardized spelling,if you cant understand what my text is communicating then screw you

>>12548084
glad you are aware of the issue

>>12545980
It's all bantz, I'm pretty sure God is lurking as anon through this thread.

>>12545487
Have you read Diary of a Country Priest ? How did you come to monastic life ? Did you ever feel close to surnatural presence, good or evil, say God, a saint, an angel or the devil ?

>>12548084
I'm sure you have a lot of cool stories, but you also sound like a dickhead, man. Most people I've known to call other people oogles were pretty much oogles themselves, and came from well-off families. They'd run off to shallowly emulate the lifestyle, fueled by a sense of romanticism. In the end the lifestyle was only of instrumental value to them, all they really cared about was forming some underdog "you just don't get it, man" personal narrative and being an annoying one-upper cunt to everyone.

I'm not even the guy you're replying to, but I should also let you know that placing pride in your lack of formal education is rather disappointing when you've demonstrated you haven't made any progress in developing upon it on your own.

Wilful ignorance doesn't necessarily make an auteur, and calling someone else ignorant for not knowing something obscure such as "scriptio continua" only proves my first point.

Good luck with becoming a real person someday, anon, i sincerely mean that

>>12547832
I am not OP.
You follow pleasure, not reason. Regardless of the existence of God, you're engaging in an action that reduces you to an animal. You throw away the most recent adaptation of our brain to gratify the most primal and before long, it consumes you. You stray away from elevating yourself beyond such base desires. If you can't even assert dominion over your body, or even aspire to be more like a God than an animal, then you should not expect much in the way of spiritual inspiration assuming a metaphysical framework. I don't believe in God but it is my view that chaste religions were developed and perfected the most intelligent men of their era to circumvent the narrow confines of the human condition, which if entertained, are merely reinforced and drag the mind and reduce it until it subjects the man until he is only a passenger in this ride of life, doomed to forever be stuck in a state of heteronomy lacking agency over his very actions.
I seldom mention my irreligiousity in real life because it is true, men love darkness more than the light. They'd don't care if it's harmful. They do not seek after anything higher. They want to be distracted by wanton ephemeral pleasure. Their unbelief, is purely the recoiling at being told they cannot do something! They want to practice their profligacy with impunity. The religious at least aspire to something but most irreligious people, instead of looking upward, instead of wanting to be better, instead of seeing the necessity of becoming Godlike in respects to our position, our cosmic accident— they look downward toward animals for their inspiration for their place in the world and over it. They surrender all that makes us greater. The Christian God would have compassion on you being his design, but if I were God, you would be on the level of an animal to me, perhaps something worse than an animal as civilization and the abstract condition of modern man enables sexual frequency to be perverted purely as a means to pleasure at all times rather than set mating seasons etc.

>>12546014
Meh, the Church has seen worst. There was never a period of more than 300 years without very drastic change.

Remember the introduction of the celibacy of priest ? Or the orthodox schism ? The rise of Thomism as the central doctrine of the Church ? The Protestant Reform ? The Renaissance and all the continual bumfuck that has ensued for the past 500 years ? Or the schemes of the Borgia ? Or that gay old time when the king of France sent his henchmen to rough up the Pope, and the Holy See was moved to Avignon ? The displacement lasted a few decades, it wasn't a mere anecdote.


And let's face it, the higher ranks of the Church have almost always been shills for this or that power, and in many occasion for themselves. That's inevitable given the nature of the Church as a political organization.
So chill the fuck out, if the Church can't survive at least it must have fallen hard and be nearly dead already.

>>12546163
Becoming a bishop or the guru of your own religion is probably a cut above monk, but monk is fine.

There's always this two-faced element in literature, both profane and magisterial, that calls more for men of high intellect and authority or men of powerful sensual drive more than men of disciple and spiritual elevation.

>>12548218
i have been on the road 10 years so the emulation thing is false.

all you said concerning me is false

everyone has seen text like pic related so its not obscure

>>12548234
Good response anon

>>12546316
you're right, it has been rigorously proved that being sexually active is a right that belongs to me alone.

>>12548218
>placing pride in your lack of formal education is rather disappointing when you've demonstrated you haven't made any progress in developing upon it on your own.

im teaching myself greek,

>>12548281
LATFO >>12548218

but actually, how did you even get on /lit/

>>12546619
Nice post but in fairness that argument can ony convince someone wh already believes thomian metaphysics are the way to go.

>>12546619
Nice post but in fairness that argument can ony convince someone wh already believes thomian metaphysics are the way to go.

>>12545593
They just ask you about that in an interview?

>>12548281
pride is a sin, anon.
Denying this only worsens your fate.

>>12548331
do you like being a nigger?

Cool thread, OP. I saw you commenting in another thread, in /pol/ maybe? Still, Godspeed, anon. Hope you find your place in this world.

one of the best ever threads on /lit/
thank you based monkbro

LARPs have gone to far

>>12546585
You’re a cool guy MonkBro

God Bless

>>12547927
I believe this man must be some sort of higher power.

>>12548281
>>12548331

Right on, man.
I'm sorry for being so fucking harsh, after rereading my post it became blatantly obvious that I'm projecting my experiences with shitty people I've known growing up onto you. Surely you know the type I speak of, yeah? It's irrational of me to be so quick to judge someone I don't know based on a couple of anonymous posts...I apologize for all that. I hope you fare well on your journey, man.

>>12548393
its ok,that demographic you speak of is contemptible

Why does this sick material world experiment have to go on? Haven't we seen enough already?

>>12548433
Part of why I dislike the current Pope. The leader of the Catholic Church should be a man of inspiration to Catholics, other Christians, and those who are neither of the two. Someone who can use his great power to spread the influence of Christian thought globally and in a way that’s attractive, and not strange and cult-like.

>>12548609
never reply to me again

>>12545487

What sort of diet were you on whilst there?

>>12546113
Hell not even just them, religious sex abuse is so rampant the Catholics have had to close down a convent because clergy essentially used it as a brothel.

how do you achieve concentration in prayer? also does it become less difficult over time?

>>12548668
Looks like a young Charlie Sheen

>>12545631
That's cute. Why are you living in an anime?

>>12545487
>>>12545713
>>>12545722

Which saints did you study? Who was your favorite? Do you have one you consider to be a patron saint?

Did you drink some good beer?

>>12548609
Why don't we just choose the most attractive person in the Church to be the pope, male or female?
God clearly designed them the best. Religion would be saved.

>>12548709
Do you know who God is? Do you even believe in God? Imagine standing in front of an all powerful being, that is capable of doing anything to you, grind your atoms to dust or something beyond your comprehension. It's not a being, it's THE BEING, the entirety of existence hinges on It, all the billions of men or aliens in billion universes, and this is the pinnacle of all that and anything else you can possibly imagine, and you're in the eye of this storm. Take anything you have ever felt strongly about, anyone you have admired, or any concept that grabbed your imagination - all that by definition is nothing before God. Any moment near the Lord is THE MOMENT, the most important event taking place anywhere, and definitely in your life. How can you actually believe that in prayer you talk to God and not feel all of this? You're bored? I think it's time you reevaluate what you're actually doing.

>>12545597
the one near towson?

>>12548810
Inb4: not OP.
I believe he went to another one, in Wyoming.

>>12548824
Mystic Monk coffee is actually pretty decent.

>>12545487
where can i get a robe like that in usa?

>>12545487
OP, have you ever read Thomas Merton's Seven Story Mountain? Any thoughts?

>>12548797
take it easy man im just asking a question no need to get so angry at a poor sinner

>>12548626
Why?

>>12545487
YOu have to leave this place now. This site has been easily the worst and hardest place to leave since I converted.

>>12545487
Which fiction writers did the monks read the most?

>>12549498
haha the bible of course

>>12548668
Bread soaked in wine. My stomach cannot handle much else these days and pains me badly.

>>12549502
Based and carrierpilled

i'm almost certain i could never believe in god. i've read all kinds of shit, i read a good portion of the bible, studied it, read arguments for and against, and it just seems illogical to me.
recently though, i've been thinking an ascetic brotherhood would be nice and i like the idea of a monastic lifestyle
do they take atheists if they think they can reshape them and they're not actively trying to incite arguments or are you strictly barred if you don't already believe in god?
i'm sick of this world and want to get away and live a simpler life away from all the shit and scum

>>12548234
very good read

>>12549822
>i'm sick of this world and want to get away and live a simpler life away from all the shit and scum
that doesnt sound monk-like in the slightest anon.

>>12549879
i suppose i'm more thinking of the hermetic monasteries, i posted that before starting to read just in case i missed my opportunity, but it looks like my chance passed a few hours ago already
i don't know. there is absolutely nothing that i want to do with my life and taking a vow of poverty and having mastery of self in the name of christ sounds like a good idea, but again, i have a hard time imagining myself honestly believing in christianity
i guess i'm just lost.

>>12549822
>trying to get away from the shit and scum
oh no no no. ascetic life is confronting shit and scum in the most dreadful manner, because it is your shit and scum that you have to confront, not someone elses.

>>12549916
i would much rather do this than deal with other people constantly fucking with everyone they can for no reason other than to see what they can get away with. if their agenda isn't to see what they can get away with, honestly, being a brainless animal that doesn't think about why they do shit is even worse.
i'm sick of fucking people and i would not mind being alone, but you're more or less forced to deal with people in modern society in some way

>>12546585
OP quits the thread prematurely just like he quit the monastery

OP what are your thoughts on public school versus catholic school?

>>12548355
This needs answering

>>12545667
>ex monk
>anonymous forum
>can't share lol
sod off

I'm back again.
I came five times to Pokemon porn.

>>12550134
any specific trainers or pokemon?

>>12550134
Not the same guy

>>12550134
Can't even get the name right, pathetic. A real monk is in bed by now.

>>12546636
Meant if you can't find any in person.

>>12545487
Do monks actually wear robes like in OP's pic?

>>12550405
I saw one wear one like in OP's pic. He was just staring blankly into nothingness while holding a book in front of him. It was very strange.

>>12546181
This is a legitimately more worthwhile thread than 99% of the stuff that gets posted here, even if it is off-topic it would be shooting ourselves in the foot to delete it

>>12550124
Most esoteric traditions don't share stuff with plebs.
Immoral people have doors closed in their faces.
Truely moral people find doors opening around them and beckoning them in.

>>12546118
Very based answer Monkbro, and I'm saying this after watching some Prisma Illya

>>12550627
So it's esoteric? II thought most modern monks were mundane larpers.

>>12550627
Wanting the consequence or the act that begat that consequence? There is an important distinction. One is what your want. The other is what your appetite wants.

>>12550767
>guys who lock themselves into a building to pray for the rest of their lives
>larpers

>>12548708
Catholics are basically Satanist

>>12548338
woe are the illiterate

>>12546118
What a bluepilled response. Did all the sexual abstinence addled your brain?

>>12547278
LOL

>>12545600

Ur missing a family.

>>12551256
dont project its rude

So what's the point of monkmaxxing unless you're fucked in the head
you can practice ascetic stuff in your personal life without joining a gang and not miss out on family moments and life stuff and lol at sexual abstinence, just do nofap and get laid by real girls

>>12548019
>I have a SSPX prayer book that has all the pre Vatican II prayers in English and Latin
What book?

>>12551289
Was also thinking about that, but it does seem to be quite different in the end

>>12546118

Most pornography companies are jewish owned both usa and germany i checked.

>>12551061
I mean like how the Eastern Orthodox act all mystical and shit but if you look into their beliefs it's simply retarded, unlike gnosticism.

>>12551270

He said himself he's looking for a waifu now.

Also, catholicism is inherently babylonian

>>12551522

Based and demiurge-pilled