/lit/ - Literature

>>12568268
How's it feel in the sunlight?

rip op

>>12568274
Bittersweet. I'm happy I now care less about the latest fashion or tech shit but at the same time, it's sad knowing that it took me so long to realise this and that I've wasted so much money and time.

>>12568268
welcome to the first day of the rest of your life

>>12568296
Glad we've got that taken care of. Now strap in. Here's where the real ride begins.

>>12568268
My only barrier to shrugging off materialism is my apprecieation for good food. I'm learning to cook well right now so i hope to join you soon.

>>12568268
What have you embraced instead?

I remember the exact moment my entire depressing nihilistic atheistic materialistic worldview got shattered and I finally saw the One and my part in It, that every little thing that has ever happened was one long chain events to lead me to that one life changing moment

This magical moment of seeing the light and finally understanding completely. Before that moment I could have never imagined how wrong I was about everything

Did you already see the light /lit/ or are you still searching?

Glad to hear it, op!

Is materialist obsession why lit and phil in general is so garbage now?

>>12568329
>I finally saw the One and my part in It, that every little thing that has ever happened was one long chain events to lead me to that one life changing moment
>This magical moment of seeing the light and finally understanding completely

So you're a process metaphysician now right? I really hope you arent an idealist.

>>12568268
Ego still seems to be going strong.

>>12568344
see >>12568296
theres no way he's an idealist just yet

>>12568337
It's all good chap, no one's mad at you. It must suck living such a nihilistic, materialist life. No sense of anything in the world; both alienated from the rest of society and the self. Worst still, you probably don't understand the crux of the issue. Maybe one day you will understand.

>>12568268
So, you’re dead then

>>12568344
>not being a panpsychist dual-aspect monist

>>12568329
>>12568355
>nihilistic atheistic materialistic

you do know those terms contradict each other?
I see that you are a brainlet, was it the drugs that caused this permanent damage?

>>12568322
On second thought, wouldn't the idea of liking certain foods over others be considered materialistic?

>>12568369
i wouldn't worry too much about that, anon.

>>12568296
So... This would suggest you're talking about consumerism as opposed to physicalism. Are you taking all the spiritfags for a ride op?

>>12568367
How do these terms contradict each other?

>>12568296
>latest tech shit
This so much, especially with PC hardware.
t. /g/ay poster

>NEET
>no friends
>no gf
>poor
>want to die

uhhh..... I grew out of materialism!

>>12568367
>you do know those terms contradict each other?
Not the the first guy you are quoting, but they don't, and I am not the same person.

>was it the drugs that caused this permanent damage?
Not everyone that has had a revelation has to be a drug user. I do know your lash out is only a coping mechanism. If you want to survive the jive, the first step is acceptance.

>>12568394
first term negates the next two

>>12568378
I really, really like this image.

I’ve been wondering, do revelations “count” when induced by drugs?

>>12568398
are you quoting yourself?

>>12568403
What’s contradicting about believing the universe is material, there isn’t a God, and that life is meaningless? If anything, the terms support each other

>>12568329
>the light is concrete totality
read hegel imo
it's not so magical
then it'll bring you to materialism
you probably don't even know what materialism is (materialistic =/= materialism)

>>12568405
you said that last time i posted it. and that was a long time ago. creepy.

This is the day your live will surely change.

>>12568423

Well what adjective am I supposed to use if I want to refer to materialism?

Also what of Hegel’s Work should I read? Been working my way through philosophy up to Spinoza, wondering if I should skip ahead

>>12568399
>>12568420
if you're a nihilist you can't make the statement about the existence or non-existence of God, and certainly you doubt any intrinsic value of life and by extension material possessions, and what proof you have that the universe is material? what proof you have of anything? reality is a meaningless term

>>12568464
Are you serious?

>>12568268
B-BUY MORE PLASTIC TO PUT ON YOUR SHELVES, PEON!!

How can i stop buying new shit and just enjoy my old stuff for as long as they work sufficiently for my needs?

>>12568358
>Implying that is bad in anyway.
Im no spiritfag but it doesnt require much thinking to understand that you are just a dumb whore trying to come off as pretentious with ideals that even you dont hold or fully understand. You arent that much diferent from the anon you are trying to mock afterall.

>>12568464
*tips fedora*

>>12568452
i feel like you're talking about nihlism - you finally grew out of nihilism :)
you could read phenomenology of spirit if you want to, you don't have to but i recommend it
not sure what hegel thought of spinoza, googled "hegel on spinoza" and found this https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/hp/hpspinoz.htm

>>12568508
I admit I’m not a philosophy fag, but you said fuck all here trying to insult me, and just came off as a pretentious nitwit windbag

>>12568489
>>12568518
nihil is literally latin for nothing, why are you so incredulous? there is no room in nothing for truth or any other higher metaphysical value - there is just you, perhaps not even that

>>12568523
Is Hegel by any mean a nihilist like the same way nietzche is?
Not previous anon btw. I never got into philosophy aside from the basic tier highscool stuff, marcus and stirner (because they were easy to understand)
I have a huge curiosity about hegel because he is so shilled in this board, but spending a whole year reading philosophy just to get a minimal understanding of what he is talking about is ridiculous to me.

>>12568355
>duuuuuuuude
>you dont understaaaaand dude
>like all life is one and life is meaning
>or something
>man, this shit is whack
>how dafuq do we know our arms are material and shit, man

>>12568535
not that anon but please remove your name and trip, or just stop posting.

>>12568418
my god i want lauren southern to laugh at me for being a virgin.

>>12568554
nietzsche wasn't a nihilist, but nihilism is a problem for nietzsche's perspectivism. if there's no god or objective truth, we run the risk of growing nihilistic. nietzsche was more of a proto-existentialist, and was indeed a major influence on heidegger and the existentialists.
hegel is pretty easy imo, i read like i read, like, camus and nietzsche and derrida and zizek and sartre and plato and some other philosophers in high school but then didn't really read for a few years (too busy doing drugs and having sex), got back into it with hegel, just take phenomenology of spirit out from the library and give it a go!

>>12568535
>and just came off as a pretentious nitwit windbag
>you insult me then i'll call you pretentious aswell ah!
Honestly never thought you were this childish.
You dont even know shit about me to start calling insults. In contrast to i know you and its been weeks since i know your bullshit toughts and opinions.

>>12568570
Its preferable if she doesnt, that way she can keep posting and people can keep dismissing her dumbshit everytime she replies. Its really a win/win scenario, people will no longer have to give her a talk since we all already know who she is.

>>12568572
>just take phenomenology of spirit out from the library and give it a go!
Eh, will try it out them, im pretty sure im gotta get but fucked by my ignorance and never finish it though, but it should be worth the try. Thanks anon.
>(too busy doing drugs and having sex)
What a rockstar

>>12568594
>child telling me I’m childish in a shitpost thread
>you don’t know me
True enough. Just responding to this vacuous post of yours. What have you been reading, anon?
>win/win
Agree

>>12568378
I really, really like this image.

>>12568606
just give a whirl! see how it goes. if it's too difficult, try again later! i barely made it 50 page into marx's capital during my first crack at it. also i've attempted finnegan's wake a couple of times. phenom of spirit is a really good read, personally i had such a good experience reading it one summer. i still think about hegel a lot, it takes years to understand his philosophy. not that i'm an absolute idealist or anything. you can read it, you're smarter than you think!

>>12568615
>What have you been reading, anon?
Atomised by houellebecq, pretty sure you may know him. Started reading this about 2 days ago to get a better understanding of him and why he is so famous afterall. He sure seems to display a lot of general knowledge in various fields of science but holy hell, the dude has a real obsession with sex, gay sex, promiscuity, hippies and drugs. Seems like the prophet of /r9k/.
What have you been reading?

>>12568378
Not keen on this image desu

>>12568670
Towards a New Socialism. Very dry, so I neglect picking it up, but very good layman’s guide to the economics it’s about. Read a short sci-fi from James Tiptree which was cute, started reading The Tempest too. Been a few years since I last read Shakespeare

>>12568670
i started to read atomised but i'm not that into fiction. should i continue?

>>12568538
Exactly. Nothing. God is something that gives meaning to life, so to a nihilist there’s no God.

>>12568744
not really, rather even if God existed it wouldn't make a difference

>>12568728
>should i continue?
I would say it depends, if the context it is about catches you (it will almost certainly will since its all about taboos) then the book is pretty packed with enough story and "action" to keep you glued to it. Eventhough the real world he portraits seems super exagerated in my opinion. Even i, that dont bite much into the /r9k/ prespective, get nausea and anxienty from reading this.

>>12568723
Eh, never got much into economics, i hate to say this but i always feels pretty "souless" to me the whole concept. I've never read anything from Shakespeare either since im from Portugal. Best thing i was blessed was to read Pessoa in my mother language. Is it hard to understand Shakespeare's writting? I dont know where you are from, but keep in mind that im no cambridge proficiency tier english speaker.

Any wisdom in this? Should I become a part-time surf shop clerk?

>>12568791
Shakespeare can get a little arcane, but not impossible. I prefer to watch it played out. If I miss something it’s usually okay story wise. Might try a film adaptation first.

>>12568268
Congratulations, it's a good feeling.

You'll end up a volcel nofap teetotal minimalist ascetic meditator before you know it. this is just the first step of liberation.

>>12568809
Bukowski?

It’s advice for a perspective. It rings true, but there’s conditions to all of it. Making good friends is a key to happiness though. Take that seriously

>>12568834
Every business job I get I end up suicidal. Every job I get outdoors or in a looser vibe, while paying way less, I am happier. Is my mind broken or is everyone else’s?

>>12568829
>volcel nofap teetotal minimalist ascetic meditator
a slime indeed

>>12568268
Congrats bud glad you made it out.

>>12568847
what wrong with being a low impact loner?

>>12568382
This is what I was thinking.
OP is mistaking consumerism for materialism.

>>12568843
The looser vibe is important for sure.
Bullshit jobs with all those layers of hierarchy are the worst (well I’m sure there’s worse) everyone else is in fact broken and pro-slave mentality

>>12568723
Are you mentally ill?

>>12568856
surrounding urself w/ ur own 21st century ascetic ideal: cold, clammy, grating, damp, uncomfortable. imagine staring bleary-eyed at 2 styrofoam rubbing together. forever

>>12568615
imagine being a neet on /lit/ for years

>>12568843
last few months I've spend indoors, rarely going outside, sick and out of my mind
recently I went for a walk, it was sunny, the open space - I felt happy for the first time in forever, I forgot what it even feels like, it was alien

but it took so little, literally nothing at all

>>12568681
utterly cucked and orangepilled

>>12568872
based butterfuck poster
>>>>>//BUTTER//

>>12568320
absolute cringe

>>12568843
It really depends on what job you have and what passion you have for it. There are a lot of "ifs" and assumptions in that image. In my opinion working at a surf shop would be hell. Would much rather stay at my secretary job talking with my autismo ridden collegues.

>>12568872
>everyone else is in fact broken and pro-slave mentality
Come on, we know you are left leaning, but keep those thoughts in check, not every job contract is stealing or advocating for slave mentality. Companies treat most of IT workers as their if they are vassals that cant overthrow if they are not satisfied.

>>12568268

>>12568927
i’ll get memed off for this but perhaps read Bronze Age Mindset. itll just take like 2 hours, you can find a free epub somewhere, and it has a great section in the spiritual energy associated with roaming around

i grew out of materialism, but now i really have to pay my own bills, even simply making a rent payment. currently going back under as a salesman of all things to temporarily make ends meet, shouldnt be too bad hopefully, and sure i could have it worse, but the whole scheme is really dull and boring in a significant way. i wonder how long ill keep saying, oh well im young it wont always be like this.... now thats a cope considering the whole thing has always been like this

>>12568847
don't disrespect islem

>>12569083
good post, my friend

Lmao op is talking about not buying the latest iphone, mystics btfod

>>12568329
Hi Augustine

>>12568268
>tfw catholic platonist
>tfw in the soothing nothing of the dark night

>>12568809
>Heh, just become nothing like me, you'll be plenty happy
Based if you're some ascetic Christian or Buddhist, cringe if you're just some loser trying to validate playing screen games post teenage years

>>12569314
i just want to have meaning and cant seem to find it in the office

>>12568809
>"Fuck work just be around cool people and pretty girls to be happy"
I agree with living frugally but investing time and effort into long term goals is essential for a meaningful and fulfilling life.

>>12568834
>Making good friends is a key to happiness
deep

>>12568418
Not even shitposting she looks like she fucks black guys

>>12568268
It's just a stage, anon, don't worry. Soon you'll come to the synthesis

>>12568296
Ah, it's retarded.

>>12568308
>>12568320
what should we do now?

consumerism isn't materialist

>>12569805
lol

>>12569807
He's right.

>>12568337
lol

How do I find value and meaning. I'm getting older and things matter less and less. I kind of just want to go to some cheap Asian country and hire hookers all day and be hedonistic. I don't want to be hedonistic but I can't rationalize the motivation to do anything else.

Unless reason itself is flawed but then everything is just a mess and there is no up and down.

>>12568296
And here i was thinking you had given up on dialectical materialism and went back too Hegel. But no turns out you are just a pseudo spiritual retard.

>>12568268
Cool, now you can give away your stuff and live on ants innawoods. Congratulation. Or you can take a bullet in head for being obnoxiously annoying virtue signaler.

>>12569787
paint something. compose a violin concerto. direct a film.

What really is an:

Institution

>>12570243
hard to rationalize anything when you don't have a brain, which seems to be the case for you

>>12568358
https://youtu.be/Sn7QvnhJgeA

>>12570386
An organizational ghost in the circuit of physical and chemical mechanisms.

>>12570403
Why would an institution tie to an individual or a body, like you imply?

Also, not really related:
Isn't self-improvement inherently leftist? It's progress on an individual scale.

>>12570406
>Why would an institution tie to an individual or a body, like you imply?
It ties itself to buildings or websites which lure people in, altering their behavior to suit the institution's needs. Some institutions are beneficial, some are fat.

>>12570406
>Isn't self-improvement inherently leftist? It's progress on an individual scale.
Leftism rarely believes in the individual as more than a means to an end. The Party is where it's at, you see. There are plenty of beliefs and narratives that believe in progress and individual. Campbell and the spiritualists would be more in your alley. Progress is defined by the goal, so as long as you don't believe in a bad end for the world and its processes, you can safely believe in progressions. Self-improvement was an important aspect of the National Socialist doctrine.
However, as bait it also works well for classical and neo-liberal viewpoints. Pic related.

>>12568268
>grew out of materialism
can I please have your possessions?

>>12570425
>Self-improvement was an important aspect of the National Socialist doctrine.
That's why it's not particularly right-winged.
It was right-winged insofar as it was nationalist in the most racist sense and the resulting protectionism is conservative. But championing socialism isn't right-winged.

As a humble brainlet, I have a few questions. What would define this departure from materialism and consumerism in this modern day, as OP described? Is it just an abstinence from the consumer market on a whole or is it more a frame of mind in which you don't let material possessions, status and the ego cloud your mind and corrupt you?

Also, to what extent would this affect the interests and hobbies that one might have? Wanting the latest and greatest smartphone for it's gaudiness would definitely fall under this vice but what of others? If one liked video games for example, not as a mindless, brain rotting time suck but because they genuinely find enjoyment in the escapism that it presents, would that still be materialistic, as it exists in the form of possessions and as such needs to be bought?
I know that these might be very naive and idiotic questions but I'd just like to ask and hear others opinions on the matter and learn and be informed by them.

>>12570539
For one, materialist believe goes in the direction that everything (e.g. desire and the essence of being human) can be explained in scientific terms and quantity (e.g. that handling of possessions determine economy and that economy dictates societal evolution).

If you explain your desire to play video games with Freudian terms and you describe your relation in a modernist, rational (even evo-psychological) fashion ... then it doesn't break with a materialist view.

Materialism is absolutely the normal mindset today.
One in which e.g. "honor" - as an honest virtue, not as a strategic tool for regulating status - seems "stupid".

>>12568268
It's time to grow out of here Anon

>>12568322
>Behold that which I have seen: it is good and comely for one to eat and to drink, and to enjoy the good of all his labour that he taketh under the sun all the days of his life, which God giveth him: for it is his portion.
>Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God.
>For he shall not much remember the days of his life; because God answereth him in the joy of his heart.
Ecclesiastes 5:18-20

>>12568329
Kek don't burn yourself out Einstein

>>12570561
Hmm. I think I'm completely misunderstanding what the OP meant.
I was referring more to the ethical and hedonistic form of materialism.

>>12570451
Yes

>>12568398
Unironically it takes a very isolated lifestyle to grew out of materialism. Once you separate yourself from the herd, you start to see all the herd's flaws since you spend a long time retrospecting.

>>12571223
yup.

>>12571223

Yeah maaaaan, you're the only one who gets it duuuude, buy the ticket enjoy the ride broooo

Do any of you clowns seriously think that no one in the history of mankind has thought any of this through? Are you actually that arrogant to think that after 2000 years of cutting edge thinking and reasoning, some anonymous retard like you would figure out one of the biggest questions that bothers the whole of humanity? Are you actually that arrogant to think that your run of the mill bullshit philosophy of "we all just gotta be One duuuude, materialism sux maaaan" is somehow in any way innovative and getting us in any way closer towards a valid solution to any human problem whatsoever?

>>12571262
once you grow up you'll realize most things have easy solutions

>Roses are red
>Violets are blue
>Look at Me
>How are you?

>>12571262
Yup, I'm actually more enlightened than the average human. I might not be on the same level as the best philosophers since Ancient Greece but definitely better than 0.01% global population. Once you stop being materialist then you are closer to a valid solution. Materialism is a sign that you are still a animalistic subhuman since only an animal could present such traits. See monkeys and ravens for an instance. The average human is no better than them.

>>12571262
over-complicating the solution is precisely how the problem continues to perpetuate itself

>overcame materialism
>shone with confidence and spoke wisdom
>started attracting females
>got a gf
>lost spiritual superpowers

>>12571343

And is any of your dumb woo woo backed up by any evidence?

Of course not, because asking for evidence and having to actually justify what you believe in is 'muh materialism' as well. How conveniently unfalsifiable.

But yeah, it's other people that are really the problem, not you and your bullshit. You just gotta grow up maaaan

>>12571617
1/5th of the world have tradition of sitting in stillness and attempting to quiet the mind. All of it is just woo woo?

>>12571635

When they claim it somehow makes them better than the out-group peasants who won't subscribe to their magical wonkery? Definitely

>>12568398
Honestly I agree with this. It's hard to be a non materialist if you have your own family.

>>12571649
They don't.

>>12568268
t. hoards books and posts in a /stack/ thread

>>12568409
All that "counts" is what happens. Revelations may indeed be "induced" by drugs, especially psychedelics, because they bring the imbiber to a new peak. Climb a new mountain and you LITERALLY get a new perspective on where you were before. The thing is is that the experience is wholly personal - but also paradoxically suggesting at the interwoven connections between everything. The experience may feel revelatory for the imbiber but their communication or interpretation of the experience always has trouble carrying that revelation out because it is the self that plasters onto the memory words as repeated thoughts that totalize and "explain" what happened - the ego is immeasurably resilient and for good reason (it doesn't want to die), but it is in this retaking the ego performs in "understanding" what happened that locks our ability to communicate what happened because what happened exposure to a chaos that language cannot capture - there is literally too much to tell but if the ego responds furiously enough, some people might go insane rambling on about their revelation, trying to box it in, wondering why people don't get what they're talking about. It is no weakness on the persons part except the inherent weakness in their constitution - if you don't have a way of thinking about your new crazy experience positively, or you hold onto the idea that PEOPLE MUST KNOW AND THE EXPERIENCE WAS THIS SPECIFIC THING, THIS, THIS IS IT, IVE FINALLY GOT IT, IVE FINALLY GOT IT

you've never got it

>>12572100

The impossibility if explaining or sharing that ‘experience’ is what bugs me. I wish I could make people ‘see it’. But it is just not possible to convey with language, so I usually don’t try to talk to other people about it, because I know I’ll sound like a stereotypical lunatic, which I sometimes fear I have really become. But I know what I experienced, but I also know if someone tried to explain this to me before I had this experience myself I would have labeled that person as a rambling madman. So I know how impossible it is to convey ‘it’ to others

It really helped me later to read Plotinus and Spinoza, I feel like they too ‘saw it’ and are better than me in translating that experience into words, but language ist still severely lacking.

Good for you man.

>>12572249
>Spinoza
yeah especially so, fuck it most philosophy/religion feels like someone going crazy trying to channel the infinite into the finite and managing snippets, ideas congeal out of larger structures intended to carry or suggest at the real complexity, but the position of "writing something" carries its own paradoxical ends, my words are bound by time, what I can tell you is bound by what I can think and when and where I can think it - so I usually just ramble and try and gamble on people "getting" whatever part of the joke that they can. Language is severely lacking but it is part of our toolset nonetheless. Especially in the nowdays you have to cut through endless varieties, vine after vine of language plasticity to get someone to realize what the fucks happening when language is happening. You and I have experiences and thought histories that gear us towards being able to communicate right here - but some people you are literally going to have to convince them not to kill you first, figurativley or literally lol.

>>12572333

I really have to thank you man, you're the first person I was able to talk and kind of connect to on this topic and that really really helped me a lot. Just knowing that I'm not alone, even if it's just over the cold impersonal medium of the internet, on this fucking imageboard of all places.

>>12571649
I sincerely am sorry, anon, that you were born without a soul.

>>12572516
love ya, anon

>>12572657
I wish I was born without a soul
imagine being forced to exist for all eternity and you can't do anything about it

>>12572834

You've already existed for an eternity and will continue to exist for eternity, one cycle after another UNTIL YOU LIKE IT

>>12568296
>sad knowing that it took me so long to realise this and that I've wasted so much money
>"outgrew materialism"

wat.

Came into this thread expecting a discussion about materialism/dualism/etc
But there's just a bunch of idiots mixing up materialism with consumerism, fucking /lit/ does it again

>>12570306
but I'm not a creative person :(

>>12573918
that means you're just an NPC

@12573935
(You)

>>12568418
was this picture taken in a warehouse

>>12574126
it is a picture of a warehouse

>>12571262
Are you actually interested in solving human problems, or do you just want your ideas validated?

>>12568268
How is this a literature thread?

>>12574713
Didn't read the thread but I'm assuming they stopped being a materialist after reading Marie Kondo's self-help book.

>>12572003
lol

You can grow out of materialism and still pay bills and function in society. Not sure why peoe thinks this mean one gives up all things and lives naked in a cave