/lit/ - Literature

>>12596249
https://youtu.be/eGguwYPC32I

>>12596249
Top Zizzle is going to push his shit in.

>>12596288
ITS A PSEUD OFF

it doesn't matter, read wittgenstein

>>12596288
Peterson will absolutely blow the fuck out of Zizek. No doubt. Zizek is the exact type of person that looks like he hasn't cleaned his dick in a few decades. Peterson will just say, "clean your zenis" (Zizek's pet name for penis), then Peterson will show Zizek his "big other," wherein Zizek will faint at its girth, length, and means of reproduction. Peterson will then headbutt the communist flag.

>>12596334
>>12596288
The only thing we will learn from it is that psychoanalysis is a waste of time.

>>12596321
... what matters to wittgenstein in terms of debate
wittgenstein himself was a massive debater

Destiny would CRUSH Jordan Penisson.

>>12596249
>who is david benatar

nigga got BTFOd by Sam Harris and blamed it on cider lmao

>>12596249
Because his followers will claim victory no matter what.

>Get asked a question
>Ramble for several minutes
>End completely off topic saying "not that that's what I am saying"
Truly the Cicero of our time.

What exactly is the problem with Peterson? All I know is the whole embarrassing 'postmodern Marxist' shit but I don't know how often he says that or what he thinks a postmodernist is. I don't know anything about him other than the names of his books and that he likes Dosto and Solzhenitsyn, I don't even know what he generally talks about. Never read or watched anything by him and I'm curious.

Peterson isn't debating. He is teaching. All so-called debates I've seen him do are pretty much just asking what he means by things because they are illiterate and can't understand written text very good so they need to ask did they understand correctly (usually not).

>>12596334
based

>>12596435
Not a fan of Sam 'get the callipers' Harris but for some reason he is the only who can expose Peterson for the brainlet he is.

>>12596719
This he is a fucking professor
Peterson is formidable as fuck his articulation is meticulous and he’s knowledgeable about several subjects, but he is mistaken about God in my opinion, pretending God is real isn’t a good thing even if you’re feeling good because of it, it’s delusional.

>>12596288
Isn't Zizek just Hegelian dialectics specialist? I have no clue why left lionizes him so.

>>12596334
>Thanks for the laugh and so on *sniff*.
>Yeah, thanks bucko, eh?

>>12596773
Damn nignog

>>12596757
Also Lacanian, Marxist, professioa sniffer and walking meme and so on. The people propping him up are doing it mostly for a laugh, but Zizek is entertaining without a doubt and does say many initially interesting things that he repeats and repeats until your brain turns to mucus which he then sniffs.

>>12596788
*professional

Damn sausage fingers and small screen.

>>12596788
But why is he so lionized?

He never states things clearly. When asked about something, he simply evades by saying "It depends what you mean by _____."
If, god forbid, the interviewer tries to clarify by saying "So what you're saying is ____."
He has no clear alignment or goal except "lmao you should be a better person radical individualism or whatever."
>>12596563
This
Also, if you read his books or papers, they're fucking embarassing.

>>12596788
>until your brain turns to mucus which he then sniffs.
kek

>>12596788
Hahaha
Lel man Peterson seriously isn’t that bad, did you even listen to him for more than 10 minutes?
Give me your critique of him if you have one.

>>12596428
>who is pat benatar

>>12596811
Is this really how you see things or are you lashing out of ideological duty?

>>12596736
>>12596435
Spoken like true "logical determinists".

>>12596824
oh come on, not him but I've watched a lot of peterson and he does this shit all the time. one of the major shills of religion and he can't even admit he believes in God without a 5 minute definition of the word "believe"

>>12596736
That debate turned me off Sam more than anything else, he constantly tip toes around his key points and takes 10 minutes to say something that could've been said as a single statement. He's also extremely lazy, he constantly attacks radical islam (ISIS) because it's an easy target and then he says his criticisms of terrorist ideology generalize trivially to Judaism and Christianity in general. Then he rambles on a loop about how religion is responsible for slavery because it was used to justify slavery; Jordan points out that religion was also used to justify abolition. Sam's response, "There's religious people on every side of anything." Then what was the last 20 minute speech you gave about Sam?? I stopped watching after that.

>>12596727
more like cursed

>>12596334
This post had me in tears for almost 15 minutes.

>>12596840
Yup, you're lashing out of ideological duty. What in what he is saying is the most triggering part for you? All this "waawaa he is weaseling" and "he is dumb dumb" is so tiring, cut the bullshit you fucking tards.

>>12596863
what? I gave you a specific example, and I'm not even lashing out I've watched dozens of hours of memerson. his biblical lectures are pretty good if you are interested on applied Jungianism. sounds to me like you are lashing out ideologically to protect your dad (but he's in the belly of the whale anon)

>>12596876
No you didn't. What in what he is saying and in ideas he is presenting make you so triggered? Disregard how he is presenting you vapid moron.

Smart guy, seems at least interesting in his field
But then he oversteps outside his expertise, has no idea about postmodernism, Marxism, or basically anything he's famous for talking about

>>12596886
the comment you replied to was literally about how he presents his ideas though. did you even read it or just knee-jerk-ree? if you want to know why his ideas are wrong, find the video where he says that the postmodernist came up with perspectivism in the 60's lmao

>>12596876
>>12596914
You can't possibly be that dim, the fag's just making a joke about Peterson's habits in discussion and debate

>>12596931
this fag?
>>12596886
or this fag?
>>12596811

>>12596841
It’s obvious to differentiate between actual terrorist groups which are based in religion as a binding narrative and just people who were taking african people because working is hard

Peterson's whole shtick is being unflappable in the face of "gotcha" idpol reductions of everything down to "white man bad". The famous Kathy Griffin interview is just her repeatedly twisting what he's saying into "so you think women are inferior???", the strategy being to aim for a rhetorical victory by making him flustered and defensive, but he doesn't take the bait and instead calmly explains his point. It's kind of pedantically academic to say that "postmodern Marxism" isn't the right name for her strategy, since the ideology what she's trying to do is this cultural deconstructionism (postmodern) in service of idpol (Marxist class struggle refactored as struggles between oppressed and oppressor demographics)

>>12596990
>terrorist blow themselves up because of religion
>but Sam, the tamil tigers did more suicide bombings than Hamas does, and they're secular, how do you explain that?
>ah yes, but don't you know that doesn't count? *winks at camera*

>>12596267
apparantly this kid died

>>12596914
>if you want to know why his ideas are wrong, find the video where he says that the postmodernist came up with perspectivism in the 60's lmao
I have no idea what any of that means and besides being factually wrong about something at some point doesn't invalidate everything else lmao so let's try again: What in what he is saying and in ideas he is presenting make you so triggered?

>>12596281

Bernie isn't even a Marxist, or even a Socialist. His campaign was just parroting twittocrat nonsense.

>>12596334
>zenis
>zenis
>zenis

>>12596736
>he is the only who can expose Peterson for the brainlet he is
Probably because its the last debate he ever agreed to. He knows if he does another one his donation base may dry up if his followers see how much of a charlatan he is.

>>12596249
Because he qualifies everything with "roughly speaking"s and "just about"s and doesn't really take a firm stance and also because he gish gallops.

>>12597261
That's not Bernie, you stupid fucker.

>>12596249
The only debate he EVER won was his debate with David Benatar, who is an antinatalist, making the debate excessively easy to win at that.

>>12597517

"Socialism" is a twitter circle jerk anyway where all accounts are practically the same person.

>>12597522
David Benatar rolled JP what are you talking about

>>12597522
I agree he won his debate with Brainletar but that's because it was Brainletar, not because it was a debate around antinatalism, which is the strongest moral position possible. He also almost threw it by calling antinatalists Nazis, thus invoking Godwin's Law

>>12596841
Sam is possibly a crypto Zionist using criticism of radical Islam as some sort of ideological driving point to justify western imperialism in the Middle East. I've noticed most of his arguments seem to sway in that general direction anyway even if he is not being completely explicit about it. For Harris Islam or religion is whatever he wants it to be to justify his arguments. Same shit with Peterson T B H.

>>12597540
he means it's literally not Bernie Sanders in that meme, it's Richard Wolff, the marxist economist who JP refused to debate

>>12596745
You can’t really believe that’s the distilled version of his teachings concerning god...can you?

Because a Marxist will say "X is better than Y" and Peterson will just reply "I dunno maybe lol, where's your evidence?" and the Marxist will collapse into ineffectual flailing.

Peterson's a positivist, and positivists blow the fuck out of basically every philosophy they encounter. In time philosophers learn to avoid positivism lest they be exposed for the fart-sniffing pseuds that they are.

because Hitchens is dead

>>12597023
are you sure?

>>12596435
So you didn't watch either video?

>>12596249
Because he tip toes around everything he says

>>12596697
He isn't even wrong about postmodernism he already addressed the "contradiction". Brainlet smugly ignore him.

>>12596811
Why are his books and papers embarrassing?

>>12596249
Debating is useless. Any difference with Peterson is in fundamental beliefs that cannot be demostrated.

>>12597782
>shills Steven "Kant killed objective truth" Hicks
>admits he can't read Derrida or Lacan
>says of the Foucault books he read he thinks most of it was not only right, but obvious
>him and Pagalia both agree everything Foucault says is true and obvious
>Pagalia struggles to contain her antisemitism
>Peterson struggles to comprehend how someone can be a postmodernist and a neomarxist at the same time
>admits it shouldn't be possible because the definitions contradict one another
>concludes that this means those postmodern marxists must be REALLY wacky
honestly he's outed himself so many times you don't even need to let him debate, just give him 3 feet of rope and he hangs himself every time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-hIVnmUdXM

>>12596811
Its a common tactic among certain types. Heavily imply something by arguing around the periphery and then when someone tries to get you confirm what you really mean pull back and imply that's not what you really mean etc. Similar shit to what Milo was doing where he would say something then immediately imply everything is really just a joke. Its a tactic where you get to have your cake and eat it to. Your target audience will know exactly what you mean but when your opponents try to pin you down you pull back to avoid crucifixion.

>>12597784
I'm twitter socialist and any mention of hierarchy is embarassing. Retweeting what Peterson writes would make my followers would leave me, that is embarassing! Stupid!

>>12596249
used to not like him, but he seems like a genuinely kind man and i like him now. as long as you're kind to others, nothing else matters. Seems like he genuinely cares for people, especially those who follow him. i'd give him a pat on the back if I met him. I don't think he was trying to become famous - he ended up so, but wasn't trying to be. And he simply navigated his newfound star-status poorly after attaining it.

>>12598049
based kindanon

>>12598049
>handled celebrity poorly
He's now a household name across the United States, able to sell out concert halls in every city. He wrote a NYT best-seller based on a quora post. He went from a literal who to the most well known academic almost overnight and managed not to get destroyed by the yellow press. Few people have ever handled celebrity quite so well as him.

>>12598078
settle down, Avi.

>>12598078
he made himself look like a total brainlet in the process though so not a total win

>>12597648
I most certainly do
Why how would you define it?

>>12598097
Except he didn't. The left-wing blogosphere assumes anyone who even remotely criticizes them is a brainlet. Nothing Peterson could have done to change this one way or the other.

Because he's a vague as fuck and only ever "debates" people that don't even understand their own stance.

>>12597710
underrated.

>>12597710
This

>>12597869
I'm sorry but you're just retarded.

>admits it shouldn't be possible because the definitions contradict one another
>concludes that this means those postmodern marxists must be REALLY wacky

Apparently some of those marxists themselces claims to be postmodernists. On top of that, ideologues never needed coherent idea, see egalitarians trying to justify how sexism or racisms only work against white men.

You're just being dishonest.

>>12598134
>be a brainlet
>it must be this man's fault!

>>12598151
>>12598158
>hitchens chickens unironically calling Peterson a pseud
That's mint

>>12598049
>I don't think he was trying to become famous

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/2018/05/25/i-was-jordan-petersons-strongest-supporter-now-i-think-hes-dangerous.html

that's all he's ever been trying to do

>>12598197
>dangerous
How do you take this seriously?

>>12598197
>I was peterson strongest supporter
>immediatly proceed to shit on him

Hmm. Anyway he certainly didn't expect to become famous via his opposition to bill C-16.

>>12598172
>Apparently some of those marxists themselces claims to be postmodernists
who, some 16 year old twitter activist? name me one major postmodern neomarxist academic.

>>12598133
>Nothing Peterson could have done to change this
he could have kept his foot out of his mouth; he's a clinical psychiatrist and a professor of psychology, and he should stick to that meme of a discipline because he's shit at political theory and he's godawful at philosophy

>>12598264
He might be a pseud but he's better at political philosophy than the entire Left simply by merit of not lying through his teeth every other sentence

>>12598275

How much of this kike's patreon bucks go towards paid advertisement on lit.4chan.net?

>>12598264
>psychology is a meme
>political theory isn't
this thread is a gold mine.

>>12597786
based

>>12598197
nice "proof" you got there

>>12596425
Is Destiny /lit/?

>>12598353
>If Jung is a meme then Plato is too

>>12596249
He would have to stop talking first.

>>12596249
Why do these pieces of shit have to "debate"? Why can't they just have a civilized conversation in something like a Skype call? Or just a private meeting and do it without any anger?

>>12598412
They're here to sell a product.

>>12598399
>Plato is a political theorist in the same way that Jung is a psychologist
How can you not see political theory for the meme it is when you still have to make up a le epic origin story.

>>12598412
That's called a debate.

>>12598306
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These posts are almost excessively made by seething leftists/chapofaggots

If any of you idiots had actually read Zizek you would already know that Peterson and Zizek don't disagree on G_d. Zizek's argument that 'the 'Holy Spirit' is the community of mutually-supporting faithful' is entirely compatible with Peterson's conception of a 'evolutionarily group-selected meme/mythology complex as a guide to successful life.'

>>12598417
He wrote a book called The Republic anon. Aristotle traveled through the Hellenic states to compile their constitutions to try and formulate the proper way they should be written, he was even hired to advise the writing of constitutions. Political theory is one of the oldest and best established fields of philosophy

>>12598254
Dunno who's peterson is refering too, sorry if I don't know the entire canadian academia.

>>12598306
He dropped out of patreon thus btfoing the entire "he do it for the money" argument.

>>12596811
I don’t know, I think he gets his points across pretty well, he’s just wrong about a lot. Radical individualist enlightenment manga is destructive, his interpretation of religion is a meme, and all the personality and IQ stuff is pseudoscience.

But he also seems to be trying to get people (especially young men) to be more stoical, and is educating them about Communism and radical leftist ideology so not a total loss.

>>12598393
Fuck no, I love destiny but that guy will not read. He did philosophy streams for a month or two and only read problems of philosophy by Russell. He unironically needs to start with the Greeks, would be super interesting content. May also help his terrible moral relativistism and egoism.

>>12598436
>Political philosophy is the same as political theory
Keep 'em coming

>>12596992
Who are you talking to?

>>12598442
he's claimed they have "taken over" American academia, they should be everywhere right? There should be plenty examples of these postmodern neomarxist academics. You can't name a single one? What about the big left wing memes, the ones people actually read, Chomsky, Zizek, Badiou, Butler, none of them are postmodern neomarxists? Don't you think that's a bit odd?

>>12596249
Because he starts to participate in the dialectic, then leads you down a merry path presenting facts that are somewhat interesting before taking a turn into rhetoric against marxism and postmodernists until he begins to peter out and sounds like nothing so much as a bitter old man and then when you've completely lost the point of the argument he perches on a rhetorical point and ends with a sniff and a "So...," and sometimes "that's what I have to say about that."

Then boom you've lost. Go home Socrates, you have been outbrained.

>>12598452
It literally is though

>>12598452
BTFO by language games

>>12598471
your posts are not terrible

>>12598463
Zizek is basically the /b/ version of Peterson.

The one you quoted are only read by pseud (on top of being pomo commies). I'll get back to you if I ever go to some canadian university.

>>12598485
Chomsky is quite possibly the most referenced thinker in all of academia, I really don't think you know what you are talking about

>>12598473
>trusting the first paragraph of Wikipedia to define your own academic area of choice
This is unbelievable. How are you real?

>>12598058
thanks a lot anon. can i ask you a question? i strive to love everyone i see in reality, to be kind to all. but i find it so difficult, especially these days, as it seems people are only getting more and more polarized within all sorts of domains. political, gender, class, social, religious, etc. ppl are just so divided today, and for someone who doesn't know much about these areas, or have any affiliations of the kind, how do i navigate it? also how do i stop being so sad in life? i feel so depressed and want to cry all the time, life is really miserable for me...

>>12598560
because anyone who's stepped foot in a philosophy class knows political theory and political philosophy is the same thing; I really didn't think I would need to convince someone of that. Is this just bait?

>>12598564
If I knew how to fix that I would tell you. Personally I'm considering medication myself.

>>12598507
And he's pomo marxist, who has influenced ton of pseuds. How am I wrong?

>>12598574
Except the difference between political theory and political philosophy is somewhat hotly contested by top academics in each discipline, who generally ignore each other's works. They even belong to different schools with different degrees.

>>12598590
how, by any stretch of the imagination, is Noam "Fuck Foucault and the French" Chomsky a postmodernist?

>>12598442
https://youtu.be/6vCb1yCi24I

except he do do it for the shekels

>>12598604
do you have a citation for this? I literally have a degree in both political science and philosophy, and I have never heard it differentiated like that. In my political theory classes we started with Pericles' Funeral Oration via Thucydides then went straight into Plato and Aristotle. My favorite political theory textbook was subtitled "From Plato to Nietzsche".

>>12598607
>how is an anarcho-socialist(communist) who want to fuck french people pomo

Hmm

>>12598621
>its very hard to make money
>makes his money doing nothing at all

>>12598638
He's the original anti-postmodernist meme. Is this whole thread like a bait or false-flag or something?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TUD4gfvtDY

>>12598460
my diary desu

>>12598621
jbp's fashion sense is atrocious

he looks like a sapeur from africa

>>12598564
Meditation?