/lit/ - Literature

>>12703521
King James Version

>>12703521
Yes

>>12703532
Yes

>>12703532
why does every thread on this board just devolve into masturbating about translations?

>>12703532
>King Larp Version
No thanks, I'll keep my NIV

>>12703552
Because Americans do not know anything in any language other than English.

>>12703521
after you've read the mythology of ancient Egypt, Greek, Roman, yes.

>>12703521
No, you could read about a thousand books better written and more interesting.

>>12703558
Faggot

>>12703558
>Implying the KJV wasn't inspired by the holy spirit
>Implying the KJV does not contain advanced relevation unique to it.
>Implying the Saint Catherine's monestary where the manuscripts used by the NIV were kept wasn't a demonic ruin full of piles of human skulls and ostrich eggs.

>>12703521
No. I've often asked Christians (let's be honest here, Christians) to post beautiful and profound passages in the bible and they never come back with ANYTHING worthwhile, never mind enough to justify reading one of the largest books in existence. Also don't believe the meme that you need to read the bible to understand Paradise Lost or The Sound and the Fury. That's a load of crap this board has made up to get you to convert to their religion. That's really all this is about, honestly.

>>12703532
Fpbp

>>12703558
https://youtu.be/SEXmPB-ksEM
>>12703951
Ruckman is equally retarded because he believes that the KJV is better than the original texts.

>>12703521
No, the most influential book of all time isn't worth reading. Praise Varg!

>>12704171
>Andersonity

>>12703521
>is a fiction book worth reading?
If you answer "yes" to this, you're a certified manchild.

>>12703558
yikes!

>>12705827
*tips fedora*

>>12705858
Enjoy your hat I guess? You're not a manchild I hope.

>>12705865
M’lady

>>12705878
A manchild, then.

>>12704079

13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.

15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.

16 Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.

17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.

18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.

19 The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.

20 By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.

21 My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion:

22 So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck.

23 Then shalt thou walk in thy way safely, and thy foot shall not stumble.

24 When thou liest down, thou shalt not be afraid: yea, thou shalt lie down, and thy sleep shall be sweet.

25 Be not afraid of sudden fear, neither of the desolation of the wicked, when it cometh.

26 For the LORD shall be thy confidence, and shall keep thy foot from being taken.

>>12703521
A bit rambly. Several plot holes and inconcistencies. Two different versions of the first chapter is included, giving the impression that the author couldn't make up his mind or just forgot to delete the older version.

>>12705908
Imagine not giggling when you read this.

>>12703532
>>12703548
>>12703558
NRSV master race.
Just purchased the Oxford Annotated Version, and an exegesis guidebook.

Ready to get b i b l i c a l

>>12705956
What do you mean.

>>12703521
Nah. Just read Gospel of Thomas.

>>12705956
>misplaced brainlet conceit

Regardless whether or not you think it contains spiritual truth and wisdom, the Bible is a literary masterpiece unrivaled in its influence on western civilization.

>>12705956
Post the most beautiful passage of literature you have read

>>12706193
>the Bible is a literary masterpiece
The bible is a comedy retard

>>12705956
Retard

>>12703521
I think reading the old testament is certainly interesting and a part of good erudition
Is it a must read? No, nothing is. You can live your entire life not reading a single book.

>>12705956

>>12705908
>wisdom good
>wisdom like pretty lady
>grug want wisdom
>>12705956
based

>>12705956

>>12703521
Yes

>>12704079

>>12704079
You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whateveryou want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

>>12703521
N o .

>>12705908
Very reassuring for the believer but what would a nonbeliever get out of this passage? Its neither particularly insightful, nor poetically beautiful.

>>12705956
yikes

the Book of Ecclesiastes is literally Schopenhauer 2200 years before Schopenhauer

>>12708111
I looked again and saw people being mistreated everywhere on earth. They were crying, but no one was there to offer comfort, and those who mistreated them were powerful. I said to myself, “The dead are better off than the living. But those who have never been born are better off than anyone else, because they have never seen the terrible things that happen on this earth.”

You may live a long time and have a hundred children. But a child born dead is better off than you, unless you enjoy life and have a decent burial. That child will never live to see the sun or to have a name, and it will go straight to the world of darkness. But it will still find more rest than you, even if you live two thousand years and don’t enjoy life.

Everything that happens was decided long ago.The more we talk, the less sense we make, so what good does it do to talk? Life is short and meaningless, and it fades away like a shadow. Who knows what is best for us? Who knows what will happen after we are gone?

Here is what I discovered: A bad woman is worse than death. She is a trap, reaching out with body and soul to catch you. But if you obey God, you can escape. If you don’t obey, you are done for. With all my wisdom I have tried to find out how everything fits together, but so far I have not been able to. I do know there is one good man in a thousand, but never have I found a good woman. I did learn one thing: We were completely honest when God created us, but now we have twisted minds.

We know that we will die, but the dead don’t know a thing. Nothing good will happen to them—they are gone and forgotten. Their loves, their hates, and their jealous feelings have all disappeared with them. They will never again take part in anything that happens on this earth.

We each go to our eternal home,
and the streets are filled
with those who mourn.
The silver cord snaps,
the golden bowl breaks;
the water pitcher is smashed,
and the pulley at the well
is shattered.
So our bodies return
to the earth,
and the life-giving breath[a]
returns to God.
Nothing makes sense.
I have seen it all—
nothing makes sense.

NO

>>12704237
I still read it from time to time, but if it did have an influence on the world, i don't see it

It'll scare the hell out of you!

>>12703521
Yes.

>>12704279
Pastor Anderson is a righteous man who loves and obeys God.

>>12703521
It would take less time to read the whole thing, than to get a convincing answer here.

>>12703951

Ruckmanite-anon, do you really think Ruckman read a book a day/700 word per minute like the claimed? There's sometimes he says things that make me think he's telling the truth then others where he fucks up his analysis of an author or view so badly that I think he just skimmed and called it "reading."

>>12703951

Ruckman's theology on biblical inspiration and bible translations/preservation is the outgrowth of realizing that the common fundamentalist assertion that the Bible has no contradictions of any kind (even on trivial matters) and has been perfectly and divinely preserved throughout history is simply not supported by historical evidence. Ruckman himself admits to the existence of hundreds of thousands of textural variants, ranging from trivial scribal mistakes to alternate readings or corruptions, and that even his precious line of manuscripts originating out of Antioch have surprisingly high number of variants. These facts led someone like Bart Ehrman to realize that his brainwashed, post-reformation (and largely late 19th century) understanding of the biblical text, it's authority, and preservation was anachronistic and demonstrably fallacious. Instead of considering that maybe he indulged and trusted in a late development in Christianity (late 19th century fundamentalism) and reconsidering he ran headlong into liberal Christianity (Episcopal Church in the US) and finally to Atheism.

Similarly, Ruckman, no willing to drop his assumption of 100% inerrancy and a radical understanding of verbal plenary inspiration, and realizing that it couldn't be supported by the early church fathers either chose the only other option remaining: the "perfect word of God" has to preserved somewhere, and it could only be in a modern translation, and nothing else, because nothing else could even come close to meeting fundamentalism's absurd standards.

Meanwhile the majority of Christendom acknowledges the inspiration of the writings of the Bible, but in context of being the purest form of early church tradition, and sees know need to foist claims on the text that the text never makes for itself.

>>12703951

Ruckman's theology on biblical inspiration and bible translations/preservation is the outgrowth of realizing that the common fundamentalist assertion that the Bible has no contradictions of any kind (even on trivial matters) and has been perfectly and divinely preserved throughout history is simply not supported by historical evidence. Ruckman himself admits to the existence of hundreds of thousands of textural variants, ranging from trivial scribal mistakes to alternate readings or corruptions, and that even his precious line of manuscripts originating out of Antioch have a surprisingly high number of variants. These facts led someone like Bart Ehrman to realize that his brainwashed, post-reformation (and largely late 19th century) understanding of the biblical text, it's authority, and preservation was anachronistic and demonstrably fallacious. Instead of considering that maybe he indulged and trusted in a late development in Christianity (late 19th century fundamentalism) and reconsidering he ran headlong into liberal Christianity (Episcopal Church in the US) and finally to Atheism.

Similarly, Ruckman, not willing to drop his assumption of 100% inerrancy and a radical understanding of verbal plenary inspiration, and realizing that it couldn't be supported by the early church fathers either chose the only other option remaining: the "perfect word of God" has to preserved somewhere, and it could only be in a modern translation, and nothing else, because nothing else could even come close to meeting fundamentalism's absurd standards.

Meanwhile the majority of Christendom acknowledges the inspiration of the writings of the Bible, but in context of being the purest form of early church tradition, and sees no need to foist claims on the text that the text never makes for itself.

>>12705908
thank you for this

>>12703521
Alter's OT + any modern academic bible for the books he doesn't translate.
Hart's NT.
Yes.

>>12705908
>wisdom is good
Wow, I am in awe…

>>12703558
NIV is pure shit.

King James is poetry

>>12704079
Read through Proverbs and Psalms, they're beautiful

>>12712277
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