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Why do Christians believe in omnibenevolence? There are many passages in the Bible which suggest God is entirely capable of evil action.

Isaiah 45:7 - I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil. I the LORD do all these things.

Joel 2:13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

Jeremiah 18:8 - If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

Micah 2:3 - Therefore thus saith the Lord; Behold, against this family do I devise an evil, from which ye shall not remove your necks; neither shall ye go haughtily: for this time is evil.

Zephaniah 1:12 - And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The Lord will not do good, neither will he do evil.


In light of all such passages it seems like omnibenevolence is just an invention of wishful thinking on the part of Christians who are too afraid to admit God may also have an evil nature in addition to a Good one.

>> No.13667643

Here is my personal idea about it.
I believe god is playing both sides.
Think about it, he does plenty of evil deeds and couldn't care less about his creations having slaves (which is a pretty evil deed in itself), cursing people that simply acted through his design and simply destroying things, the tower of babel comes to mind but he BTFO's plenty of people just because he felt like it (like turning a woman into salt and killing a mans child and telling help to have faith).
Even when we go back to the first bible tale of adam and eve, he was the one that created the snake that tempted eve, and he was the one that created the tree of knowledge that would curse them out of eden. He knew all of this and still he did it just because he felt like it, it's the equivalent of telling a curious child not to do something, of course they will eventually.
I think hell is simply a place where he needed to put all those that are evil in his eyes that he tempted and that satan is simply his right hand man taking care of the B squad that didn't make the cut.
Do I think that these people are being tortured for all eternity? Not really, why torture these people instead of making a heaven for those that want to indulge in those kinds of things ?
Different people like different things as per his design, it makes no sense that he would create people that simply exist to fail and go to hell in the end.
My personal opinion of hell is a hedonistic wonderland where people that want to do those kinds of things go, it might not be something for the pure hearted folk that go to heaven but there just doesn't seem a reason for him to punish people he played a bad hand to at the start.

>> No.13667911

>>13667328
That idea comes from the Aristotelian tradition and was formally postulated by the scholastics IIRC. It's based on the ontological argument for god and not based on any particular scripture

>> No.13667968

>>13667328
Because they are retarded.

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>>13667328
>implying all Christians believe in the same thing