/lit/ - Literature

>>13974041
>he didn't start with the greeks
fuck off tourist

>>13974041
just make up your own philosophy

>>13974041
yes
the Greeks obviously

>>13974041
>nietzsche
>philosophy
you got meme'd bro haha

And a one and a two and a skiddly diddly doo ~ start with the Greeks ~

>>13974041
yeah with stirner

>>13974080
which book? what about kant?

>>13974041
Read secondary texts first

>>13974177
like what

>>13974041
start with Erkenntnistheorie by johannes hessen also aviable in spanish (teoria del conocimiento)

>>13974041
ah I see you fell for the nietzsche meme, happened to me too anon.

>>13974052
the presocratics specifically

>>13974041
The greeks
>CBA
Nietzsche:: philosopher, psychologist, antichrist or something. like that is that standard N intro. Wtach some youtube lectures on other philosophers when they're mentioned by Kauffman.

If you're starting with N there's porbably a reason and it'll probably be better helped by therapy.

>>13974041
You need to start with the Greeks.

READ FUCKING PLATO!!!!@

https://existentialcomics.com/blog/1/How_to_study_philosophy_as_an_amateur

>>13974041
just read the wikis on the people he name drops

>>13974041
Read in sequence Plato, Aristotle, Descartes, Locke, Spinoza, Hume, Kant.

>>13976409
Don't skip the Christian or Byzantine works like this guy seems to be recommending. I made this mistake when I was an edgy atheist in undergrad, I am not a Christian now, but I'm not so edgy as I was. You are doing yourself a massive disservice to your understanding if you skip the Christian theology shit, trust me.

>>13974041
gr...

>>13974041
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>>13976811
>people using literally anything to escape from reality
what's new? how retarded are you to not realize that humans do this with everything, not just philosophy
what bothers me more is the reason she gives for the decision a man makes
>woman

jesus fucking christ I know this is bait but what a pretentious dumbass she is

>>13974041
>start by reading beyond good and evil

>>13976811
pls give me the D the post

>>13974041
unironically start with plato. he states positions clearly, writes in a way that is easy to read (important especially when you are unfamiliar with the nuances of philosophy) and is foundational for most western philosophers. this will make any further reading much easier, because some argue that all of philosophy is merely a response to plato.

>>13976811
You just know she got btfod by some guy in an argument about philosophy lel

>>13976811
>people literally fight wars, and write constitutions that create governments lasting centuries, in the name of philosophies.
>philosophy is just a little game haha :)

what?

>>13976409
Augustine and Aquinas are good to throw in this mix too. Oddyssey& Bible are referenced so much that it is usually good to at least be able to spot references when you see them. It seems like a lot of work, but let me tell you... Kant is beautiful. There really isn't anything thing like sitting down and reading Kant for a few hours. The man's pen dripped with a cozy erudition while having been sharpened by a firm grasp on everyone that came before him. Plato is also a really good read. If you're gonna do pre-socs do Heraclitus and Parmenides.

>>13976811
WOMEN POSTERS OUT. NOW. YOU HAVE TO GO BACK TO MUMSNET. OUT NOW NOW NOW REEEEEE

Start with reading Plato's Republic. It explains a lot about government and justice which has led to many modern forms of punishment and democratic states. If you want some shorter works to give you a basis in fields of ethics (which does differentiate from philosophy), just read basic articles about simple topics such as Kantian Ethics or other basic ethical theories like Golden Mean, Deontology, Utilitarianism, etc. I personally agree with a lot of Kant's ideas and he gives a solid basis for philosophy.

>>13976992
I love Kant's ideas on ethics and epistemology, but for me his writing style is so fucking hard and boring. Am i just stupid or everyone thinks that is the case and learn his theories by reading/listening to someone else talking about him? Or does it maybe get better (i started reading Critique of pure reason)?

>>13976992
>ethics are distinct from philosophy
>start with Plato and then read Stanford Encyclopedia entries on other high school debate ethical systems

>>13976229
>kauffman
I'm german

>>13974041
how old are you?
if you're under 21 stop reading.

The work is dense because of translations. CPR is more about decoding commas than cracking the unity of the manifold.

>>13976992
Ethics is a field of philosophy dum dum. The five fields are ethics, aesthetics, epistemology, metaphysics, and logic. They then have sub fields as well, for example ontology is a sub field of metaphysics, there is applied, meta, and normative ethics and so on for the other fields.

>>13976811
Wow. So many retards on this board. This book is about the NEET phenomenon, and the author is talking about how NEETs consume philosophy, not what philosophy is in general. The Problem of The Puer Aeternus is a masterpiece, one of the greatest works of literature of the 20th century.

>>13976156
What's specialk about it

>>13974041
Descartes is a good start