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14015910 No.14015910 [Reply] [Original]

What are some books that try to expose masculinity as a sham?

>> No.14015922

whoever made this comic needs the death penalty

>> No.14015934

>>14015922
Fragile masculinity on display here folks

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>>14015910
The greatest men in history were sensitive, emotional, thinly built and below average in height. You don't rule with muscle, you rule with heart and brain <3

>> No.14015938

>>14015922
it literally says sarah andersen you mong

>> No.14015943
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14015943

Masculinity is just the catch-all term for behaviors spurred by having high levels of free testosterone in your body
Women and fags seem to think it's some ideology some men have beat into them as a child, and is the source of some deep emotional trauma
In reality they simply too myopic to comprehend there are people who don't feel the need to talk about their fucking feelings all the time, not because they're repressed but because it never even occurs for them to do so

>> No.14015944

>>14015910
>Crack
Many implications here. A masculine person wouldn't give two HOOTs

>> No.14015948
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>>14015910
The Holy Quran

>> No.14015956

>>14015935
If he lived today he'd listen to the depeche mode

>> No.14015959
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>> No.14015964

>>14015943
The behaviors associated with masculinity are also associated with psychopathy. Stoicism, dominance, aggression, etc. Most men are not really like that.

>> No.14015988

>>14015964
I'm all of these things.

>> No.14016007

>>14015964
Well, its all relative. Pretty much all men not brought up in nu are more predisposed to those things than women.

>> No.14016021

>>14015964
>The behaviors associated with masculinity are also associated with psychopathy
Lol, a bunch of neurotic pencil necked rent seeking """"""academics"""""" making spurious correlations and giving fake labels like "psychopathy" to normal behavior is also part of the feminine myopia.
Stoicism is perfectly natural for the man who was properly socialized- it is a simple mastering of your lesser emotions.

>> No.14016033

>>14015910
a sort of 'feminisation' makes sense from an economic perspective, since in a liberal post industrial society all 'masculine' traits like honour, assertiveness, aggression, stoic dignity are an obstacle to peace quiet and capital accumulation, most traditional femenine values, like grace or motherhood don't pass the test either, only passive enjoyment remains as the supreme and mandatory value of consumer society

>> No.14016034

>>14015910
>masculinity as a sham
Masculinity is not more a sham than femininity. Worship of either is harmful, as this comic demonstrates. The idea that femininity is something to be identified with, particularly as diametrically opposed to masculinity, is bitter and polemical.

The truth is that masculinity has nothing to do with repressing feelings and never has. The greatest authors of human history have been men, and those men explicitly talked about their feelings. What confuses feminine personalities is the distinction between helpful and useful conversations about feelings and the kind of babble one might overhear in a coffee shop. Many feminine people speak about their feelings in a competitive manner, only to demonstrate that the struggle they experience is more impactful, hazardous, or personally draining than those around them. There is no practical purpose to these kinds of conversations - the "feelings" spoken of are no closer to being resolved for having been spoken. Masculine personalities tend to avoid these conversations, which feminine personalities interpret as avoiding "talking about feelings."

>> No.14016065

>>14015964
Yes and the behaviours associated with femininity are also associated with borderline and histrionic personality disorders. What's your point?

>Inb4 'durr psychiatry is a scam'. I work with these bitches and it is 100% pathological estrogen poisoning

>> No.14016073

>>14016065
My point was just what I said. And I agree that a lot of borderline girls are basically just very feminine.

>> No.14016149

>>14015964
That's the most low hanging parallelism one can think of when it comes to this topic

>> No.14016162

>>14015910
But that comic is true to some people, but a healthy amount of masculinity is flexible enough to allow femininity into one’s life.

>> No.14016165

>>14016033
>honour
honour is a scam to turn mindless drones such as yourself eager to kill themselves for a country that ultimately doesn't care about them

>> No.14016183

>>14016165
the problem with people today is that they are not ready to die for anything, I prefer a life of meaningful struggle to a life of diverse and inclusive consumerist pacification and a steady diet of anitdepressants 'weed' and pop culture sludge. Fascism is the irrepresible spirit of Rebellion rearing its head again, but those well intentioned managers and liberal bureaucrats wont like it

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>>14015922
>wanting to kill this

>> No.14016192

>>14016189
id let her poke my fragile masculinity tbqh

>> No.14016273

>>14015943
This is such a surface level analysis it's laughable. If you honestly believe a single hormone is responsible for the whole of masculinity you are retarded. Most of it, such as the clothes you wear, the way you carry yourself, how you talk, what things you're interested in, the little quirks of body language used to signal dominance, your sexual signals, how you view yourself in relation to others, etc., is for the most part socially determined. And yes, some of these things are psychologically deleterious (the sexual and general aggression, the repressed emotions, the inability to accept help or guidance); this is what people mean by "toxic masculinity". If you want real examples of this being damaging just look at the crime stats, sexual assault/rape stats, the stats which show depressed men are less likely to seek help than depressed women, causing their depression to worsen, etc.

As for "talking about feelings all the time", nobody says that. The comic says that it's "okay to talk about your feelings", meaning you shouldn't feel like less of a man if you grieve or suffer in front of your trusted friends, that your masculinity does not depend on either suffering in silence or becoming enraged. I'm not defending the comic because it's obvious that it's done in bad faith, nor am I trying to say that masculinity is entirely a social construct, since it's obvious there are biological aspects, but to boil it down to only biology is incredibly reductive.

>> No.14016292

>>14016273
I hate enforced oprahesque sentimentalism, PC culture, the therapeuthic just take your pillsDSMV regime, I think this is becoming just another way to discipline people and make them compliant. It may work for your average sojafaced normies,but to a minority of people like me, well, it just makes me angrier, I feel like I am being cheated out of life somehow.

>> No.14016293

>>14016273
>men cause the most crime
Care to break down the stats any further than that?

>> No.14016297

>>14016273
>the way you carry yourself, how you talk, what things you're interested in, the little quirks of body language used to signal dominance, your sexual signals, how you view yourself in relation to others, etc
Testosterone impacts all this a lot though

>> No.14016311

>>14016293
We're not talking about race here. Totally unrelated issue, since even if you compare white men vs women men commit much more crime.

>> No.14016340

>>14015910
I tried to talk about my feelings with my therapist, after I'd learned to trust her, and she didn't even let me finish.

>I feel like there's a lot of hatred towards men in our society, especially coming from women, and it's making me seriously depress-
>Uhh, sweety, no, just no. *starts ranting about feminist topics while I try to hold back tears*

I'll never talk about my problems with a female ever again.

>> No.14016355

>>14016311
women are easier to govern than men, so no wonder the powers that be would want to feminise men. While manliness has been the cause of most crime and violence it has also been the source of nearly all greatness and human achievement. Leftists don't really care about violence(because its not politically correct to talk about blacks doing crime) but they care about supressing every manful impulse towards greatness, because they are snivelling bureaucrats who hate greatness

>> No.14016367

>>14016034
Based and Balanced-on-masculinity-femininity-spectrum-pilled

>> No.14016407
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>>14015964
psychopathy is badass, you should try it sometime

>> No.14016410

>>14016073
Then you are an idiot.

>> No.14016417

>>14015922
>t. *CRACK*

>> No.14016420

>>14016410
doesn't bother me

>> No.14016438

>>14015910
Venus in Furs.

>> No.14016447

>>14015959
Based edit
>Damned if you do, damned if you don't

>> No.14016465

>>14016034
>>14016367
These.
/thread

>> No.14016496
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>> No.14016512

>>14015943
The entire point of the comic is clearly that those who brag about their masculinity aren't as masculine as they say they are. True men don't obsess over what's manly and what isn't like an insecure tee , they just do what they feel is right.

>> No.14016534

>>14015959
It's a trap, let us attack you and if you complain then it just means that you're a little bitch.
Love the double take of "it's ok to have feelings" and "haha you're a loser for having feelings"

>> No.14016537

>>14016165
Honour is a virtue, it's internal. It doesn't matter what it's used for. Those are separate questions. Obviously anything worth preserving will be hijacked and subverted by capital anyway.

>> No.14016550

>>14016273
>to boil it down to only biology is incredibly reductive.
Wow, way to kill an otherwise decent post with the last few words.

>> No.14016551

>>14016496
Sex: have it

>> No.14016557
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>>14016496
Based.

>> No.14016566

>>14016557
Another incel. Why is /lit/ full of incels? Is it due to the heavy Catholic presence?

>> No.14016573
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>>14016566
I would assume most celibate Catholics are volcels.

>> No.14016574

>>14016566
It's just 4chan in general. /lit/ isn't quite as overrun by incels as some other boards though.

>> No.14016577

>>14016496
kek

>> No.14016578

>>14016551
Why are you so uptight ? It's just some dark humour.

>> No.14016584

Never believe a woman who tells you it’s ok to share your feelings.

>> No.14016585

>>14016566
Name me one (decent) philosopher who wasn't an incel. Go on, I'm waiting.

>> No.14016590

>>14016566
>women can criticize men but men criticizing women is incelery
gay and womanpilled

>> No.14016598

>>14016574
Actually, a guy was doing a strawpoll a while ago and well over 50% of /lit/ never had sex. That's roughly equivalent to other boards like /tv/.

>> No.14016610

>>14016566
suck on a shotgun roastie

>> No.14016616

>>14016273
100% this is the type of poster that ignores ethnic crime stats or various other sorts of wrongthink.

>> No.14016618

>>14016585
Butler
>>14016610
Cathcel

>> No.14016624

>>14016273
>but to boil it down to only biology is incredibly reductive
As opposed to boiling down the majority of an explanation to the social?

>> No.14016631

>>14016624
No anon that's nuanced and educated™

>> No.14016632

>>14016033
Motherhood is actually useful to capitalism and very valued for that reason. Gotta churn out those workers-consumers sis.

>> No.14016641

>>14016578
It's rude and crude, you are the Daniel tosh of 4chan.

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>>14016631
>BEING (((EDUCATED))) IS BAD

>> No.14016649

>>14016624
Social=abstracted biological. There's not a single element of a human being that exists independent of biology. What an unbelievably ignorant thing to say that it can't be boiled down to biology. Literal superstition.

>> No.14016653

>>14016643
Are you literally mentally disabled?

>> No.14016657

>>14016618
protoid

>> No.14016658

>>14015910
It really isn't okay to talk about your feelings. Just be self-disciplined and learn how to disassociate from your ego.
t. a wamyn

>> No.14016664
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>>14016653
>Are you literally mentally disabled?

>> No.14016668

>>14016658
tits or GTFO

>> No.14016677

>>14016643
Your periodic reminder that much of post WW2 Western academia was influenced by intelligence agencies and elites' foundations. The education system is a brainwashing camp that serves power.

>> No.14016688

>>14016677
Not to mention that Social Sciences are experiencing an unprecedented replication crisis.

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>>14016668
I am a size AA. There would be no point in posting them

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>>14016677
>Education is bad because I'm too stupid to get one and I have this crazy conspiracy where the (((((elites)) founded all them schools to (((BRAINWASHING))) all them kids, an (((((elite pedophile organization))) founded all them schools to ((((brainwash)))) all the students

>> No.14016698

>>14016632
its easier to export them, as declining birthrates show, it can't be all that useful. hedonistic queers are better at being atomised consumers than christian families

>> No.14016704

>>14016693
all the more reason

>> No.14016711

>>14016693
No, I insist :^)

>> No.14016719

>>14016694
That is basically the gist of it yeah, they were fairly open about doing this, they just call it 'progress'

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>>14016694
>conspiracy

Read a book, sweetie.

>> No.14016732

>>14016273
You're not even nearly as smart as you think you are. Surface level decorations like fashion is culturally determined and generally irrelevant. Everything else you listed is directly correlated to how much testosterone you have; men with high T speak with deep low voices, walk with confidence, speak to women and posture themselves around them in confident ways. Men with low T speak with quick nasally voices, slouch, lack confidence, etc.
Men don't get help for their problems literally because they're hardwired not to. We suffer in silence because we need to. When shit has gone FUBAR crying and feeling sorry for yourself won't help save your tribe. Picking up the fucking spear and fighting will.

>> No.14016733

>>14016694
it's all true, it's funny how quick american leftists dropped all pretense of being anti establishment and cowered beneath the skirts of the capitalist culture industry sillicon valley corporations and the alphabet soup security state. You even got them screeching about Russia reaching heights of hysteria beyond the wildest dreams of Joe McCarthy and the John Birch society. The new minuteman of the coming 1776 must understand the enemy is no longer soviet communism, we are fighting against whatever it is that defeated soviet communism, we must strike ruthlessly at the cold war liberal state and the NATO MKULTRA leviathan.

>> No.14016744

>>14016598
Virginity doesn't necessarily imply possessing the incel mindset though. In fact, /lit/ is one of the handful of boards where it's not uncommon to see some people criticise the incel mindset. There are other boards where the incel ideology is far more prevalent and unquestioned.

>> No.14016753

>>14016744
Incels are the last true counterculture, to proclaim onself an incel is the ultimate and most rebellious blasphemy against the reigning order

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>>14016566
>call people the contemporary version of godless heathens
>proceed to complain about christians
O I am laughin.

>> No.14016769

In order to be a true intellectual people have to look at you and feel disgust.

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>>14016694
>he doesn't read

>> No.14016949

>>14016641
4chan is the quintessential rude and crude place on the internet anon.

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>>14016496

>> No.14016981

>>14015943
>Masculinity is just the catch-all term for behaviors spurred by having high levels of free testosterone in your body
this is true
>Most men are not really like that.
True, most of us are not like that and pretending to be like that can be stupid. But thinking that hyper masculine men don't exist at all, that there must be some secret crack, they might even be secretly gay or whatever is equally stupid.

>> No.14016997

>>14016694
STFU that guy is wrong to be implying a conspiracy and it's not nearly that simple. But they are right to point out that universities are a state apparatus that subjugate the academe, enforcing the semiotic regime of the entities that order administrative bureaucracy and the inquiries of scholars and researchers, that influences the available courses and curriculum. the university appropriates inquiry as an instrument to serve corporate state and military agendas. See the Hoover foundation. The university in my state was built by tyson and Walmart, most universities are built around serving business interests. The elite universities are key allies to the military, state and corporate world. I hate the people who cry conspiracy about the microfascitic humanities departments at elite schools but conveniently ignore the corruption in the places that matters. Look at law, economics, agriculture, forestry, political science, business, education, public policy and journalism, it's all corrupted by the worst affiliates of liberalism... Which brings me to you, don't you ever post here again, you retarded centrist, or false-flagger, doesn't matter. You are the worst.

>> No.14016999

>>14016557
This is not a real contradiction. I don't think crying makes you less of a man but when it comes to the ideal male role there is a big difference in for example being emotional because your father died recently and crying because one date with a chick you knew for 2 hours didn't go well.

>> No.14017093

Every discussion of masculinity is retarded. Wheatposters think there was some halcyon period where men were valued and not more-or-less totally disposable labor meat, and if they just shitpost hard enough, they'll be able to petition Guh-non to bring it back. No. This was always a nightmare.

>> No.14017132

>>14015934
>If you attempt to repudiate me that just means you’re fragile.

>> No.14017142

>>14016189
she's got them unstable eyes...

>> No.14017145

>>14016311
Because if you have natural strength you’re going to gravitate toward actitivities that let you exploit that advantage. It’s the same reason why women become strippers and prostitutes.

>> No.14017146

>>14015922
first is the worst

>> No.14017165

>>14016273
>>14016273
i'd say that given the number of replies, this post hit close to the mark

>> No.14017166

>>14017093
Every so-called masculine trait is actually about making you a better labor animal. Stoicism, so you'll work uncomplaining in worse conditions for less. Aggression, so you'll fight for your owner. "Dominance", so that you'll have zero solidarity with anyone and eat your own fucking guts for the smallest scrap of status. Even your form- you're hairy and brutish so that it's easy to not give a fuck when you die as a result of all this other shit. Even horniness, which is the one masculine thing all these mopey fucking paeans leave out, because in the present day, the market demands asexuality while pounding out C# in a fart-scented incel pit; horniness is yet another carrot on a stick.

Le Guin was fucking retarded. If you want to run a civilization on the back of a victim, you don't use some impossibly pure baby. You use an ogre, a goblin, a monster that's hard to care about, a creature that honestly kind of deserves it.

>> No.14017174

>Be male.
>Be tall, good looking, and athletic.

Essentially no women try to bitch and moan about masculinity to me IRL. It’s just a dumb topic they throw at undesirable men. Don’t listen to women’s opinions to determine how they feel about something—look at their actions.

>> No.14017181

>>14017174
wait'll you turn 25

>> No.14017186

>>14017166
maybe but weak post
>Aggression, so you'll fight for your owner.
Why not fight your owner?
>"Dominance", so that you'll have zero solidarity with anyone and eat your own fucking guts for the smallest scrap of status.
Why wouldn't you want to dominate your master?

Not trolling or hating, just disagreeing.

>> No.14017188

>>14016557
seems like in the second tweet the guy was crying because she rejected or dumped him? "crying *over* me", idk, that makes him seem shallow and pathetic, and not a contradiction to the first tweet

>> No.14017189

>>14017166
>Every so-called masculine trait is actually about making you a better labor animal.
In a universe about survival we have evolved to develop traits that help with out long term survival.
Wow. Genius stuff guy, keep digging you're going to reach Galaxy brain shit pretty soon.

>> No.14017193

>>14017165
>if a lot of people call you retarded then you're right
lol

>> No.14017194

>>14017174
blackpill

>> No.14017201

>>14017189
Nice Twitter meme. You forgot your "we live in a society", but as I understand, that one sort of got away from you.
And, yes, we do live in a society, and it's a fucking nightmare, and I'm acknowledging that, as well as the fact that it will never be any better. Problem?

>> No.14017206

>>14017201
>>14017186
answer this post first pls

>> No.14017208

>>14017166
>Even your form- you're hairy and brutish so that it's easy to not give a fuck when you die
fucking what lol

>> No.14017209

>>14017193
4channers aren't people. They're 19-year-old impressionable autists.
t. 25 year old normie

>> No.14017215

>>14017201
Yeah. Stop looking at humanity as a society and start looking at the bigger picture. Society is fucked because the Universe is brutal and we have adapted to survive in it. Go binge watch some Planet Earth and then come post about what traits are "natural" and important for survival.

>> No.14017226

>>14017206
Your owner and master is the overall system in which you are enmeshed. I've reified and anthropromorphized it for ease of hate, but don't get the idea that you can physically assault it or triumph over it in any way.

>> No.14017246

>>14017181
I'm 25. I just nod and listen then fuck them at the end of night. No need to be contentious about that subject.

>> No.14017249

>>14017208
if you're a guy sending people pictures of your body is equivalent to sending them pictures of literal shit and there's been studies confirming that, but don't get the idea that there's an overall aesthetic preference or anything.
i said "lol" because the internet broke my brain and instilled in me a compulsive need to look like i'm in control of the situation by always laughing, even at things that aren't funny, and if i use more than five words in a post i'll imagine my awesome "friends" owning the shit out of me and have a panic attack

>>14017215
Suck it. I don't care about the starving African wildebeest babies.

>> No.14017253

>>14017246
wait'll you turn 30 and hit Straight Death

>> No.14017261

>>14015910
>just talk about your feelings tehee
What a dumb meme. Women stop respecting you the moment you do it.

>> No.14017265

>>14017261
heterosexuality is some fig wasp shit

>> No.14017300

>>14017261
It is a meme. To be honest I can only talk to 2 guys about my feelings at all, and even then I cant be 100% honest.
That woman was probably justb saying BS, but you can get away talking about your feelings when it's some widely accepted thing, like the death of your father. But you always have to think about what yon say.

>> No.14017313

>>14016512
This isn't right at all. He's not bragging about anything, he just says "masculinity is [traits that are indicative of actual masculinity]". And judging by his size and build relative to the girl's, those traits are true of him, so really he's just describing himself and saying he's masculine, which is true. Then the comic goes into full retard territory where it implies that not wanting to talk about your feelings is fragile masculinity. It's written by someone who doesn't understand men in the slightest, we don't talk about our feelings because...it's not that fucking interesting. I don't want to sit around all day and talk about "I feel X!", I'd rather talk about history or surfing or girls or past experience or something.

>> No.14017325

>>14016753
>he doesn't think incels can be commidified just like every other subculture
What do you think Joker is? Just you wait, that was only the beginning. Incelcore will become a costumed fad just like everything else soon.

>> No.14017341

>>14015910
Bronze Age Mindset.

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ITT

>> No.14017364

>>14016273
The problem with this line of think is that women look at men with COMPLETE AND UTTER DISGUST if they share their feelings.
If you want any hope of keeping a GF you have to keep that shit bottles for her. It’s the only way. Any man that doesn’t believe me try it, spill your emotions to a image and notice instantly how differently she will treat you. It’s insane.

>> No.14017373

>>14017325
Joker isn't an incel. He's "just" a schizo in poverty

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>this entire thread
Good one /lit/.

>> No.14017395

>>14017201
>we do live in a society, and it's a fucking nightmare

>> No.14017474

>>14015922
This has to be self-aware, right?

>> No.14017510

>>14015943
It is some ideology some men have beat into them as a child, and is the source of some deep emotional trauma.
Nice hangers anyway, thanks.

>>14015959
Paranoid edit

>> No.14017514

>>14016407
Don't give the shooter the publicity he craves, don't post his pictures.

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>>14017510
What the FUCK do you know about masculinity, FAGGOT?

>> No.14017538

>>14015964
If any sex is psychopathic it’s women.

>> No.14017558

>>14015910
>It's okay to talk about your feelings
It is, but one should also consider that being honest about your feelings won't automatically make you better at handling them.
Consider by analogy a businessman who sells overpriced junk. Sure, it would be great if that businessman were to be more honest about his pricing by lowering his charge for his merchandise, but that won't necessarily induce him to produce a better product, or make him better at recouping his costs. Being honest about your emotions is just one step of the way.

>> No.14017580

>>14017510
serious question, why do some women think they know more about masculinity than men do? It's like they assume I live an unexamined life. I say this as a man who has thought deeply about my father, my male friends, my locker room, and my relationships with women.

>> No.14017610

>>14017532
I’ve seen some suffering the weight of its social baggage, and it pains me as much. I care about people, anon.
Hey, thanks for posting the un-shopped.

>>14017580
Some people think they know it all, or are unaware of what all you know when they launch into some speech. Nobody’s perfect.

>> No.14017644

>>14015910
Unironically, The Metaphysics of Sex by Julius Evola.

>> No.14017692

>>14017510
Literally
>no ur wrong
Shut the fuck up. Those behaviors are born out of testosterone levels. The average man does not have anything close to some grr me so tuff guns and football big boi no cry "ideology" forced on them growing up, and yet they display classically masculine behaviors and traits.

>> No.14017712

>>14017692
>Nu-uh. Some men grow up in a bubble and that proves it’s inborn!

2/10

>> No.14017716

>>14017395
yeah it turns out that you actually have to have some context

so you can't keep shitting out memes forever when their only purpose is to call people dumb fags, because the people you're calling dumb fags will realize your superiority exists only on paper and they'll jack the fucking memes right out from under you.

>> No.14017722

>>14017708
>>14017712
>Literally nothing to say about extensively researched and proven fact that free floating testosterone severely affects behavior in humans and all mammals more generally
ok retard

>> No.14017726

>>14017692
you display classic signs of male aggression yourself. i'm inclined to think 4chan's ideology of oneupmanship feeds into that, *sniff*

>> No.14017730

>>14016189

She's got bigger bags under her eyes than I do, and I'm an overweight 30 year old man who works 60 hours a week with the mentally unstable. Guaranteed she has baggage.

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>>14017722
Never even contested that.
Why so exaggerated and overly emotional?

>> No.14017740

>>14017733
In all the years I've been here not one single time has this dyke ever made something close to a good post
Even on subjects which I have no knowledge or opinion on at all you still just make the low quality posts

>> No.14017741

>>14017730
Probably just doesn’t get enough sleep

>> No.14017747

>>14017740
thanks for the qt though*

>> No.14017748

>>14017740
0/10

>> No.14017757

>>14017712
There are inborn masculine traits and tendencies. If there were not, hormone treatments for trannies would produce no effects. Competition and risk-taking are higher in all male populations, regardless of culture or country or origin. The same tendencies are observed and played out in virtually every species of mammal on the planet.

Clinging to social constructivism starts to resemble clinging to a religious dogma after a certain point.

>> No.14017767

if they ever figure out how to really fix the face/fertility problem with trannies, all the frogs in the world will not be able to hold back the gates

>> No.14017771

>>14017757
>There are inborn masculine traits and tendencies
Yeah, of course. The worst parts are socially driven in though. They are real.
Sound like you’re blaming your periods on the centuries of bloodshed and slavery

>> No.14017777

>>14017771
>The worst parts
Arent you a fucking stirnerfag

>> No.14017779

>>14017364
As the only high IQ and high T man itt, I can tell you it's not the emotions but the implication that you need help that puts her off. You can get as melodramatic as you want, as long as you resolve the tension on your own, in a timely manner. Kind of like an actor in the theater. Ironically, recruiting her as your audience is a form of taking help, but as long as she's unaware, you're all good.

>> No.14017790

>>14017777
Yea. The worst part=spooks

>> No.14017804

>>14017779
I imagine a George Costanza lookin mf wrote this post

>> No.14017808

>>14017779
cool, so i get to maintain a hole that will leave me at the slightest sign of weakness or "going OOC" in the RP that is my life now forever

>> No.14017811

>>14017771
>The worst parts are socially driven in though
Not in the least, but arguing with you about it isn't worth it. Men are conflict-oriented and competitive. Societies have had effects on how these manifest, to greater or lesser extents, but to claim that "the worst parts," whatever that means, are socially determined is simply untrue. Menbad constructivism is a cult.

>> No.14017815

>>14017804
>lookin mf
oh wow a real black person. he sure took that honkey down a notch. n-words are cool now

>> No.14017819

>>14015959
*tips fedora*
excellent edit, fellow red pilled brother

>> No.14017828

>>14015959
>>14016447
>>14016534
All these boys with victim complexes. If you weren't criticizing women I would have mistaken you boys for bitches.

>> No.14017830

>>14017804
You have a vivid imagination.
>>14017808
You'll always have to carry your cross, but if you give her a little show, she'll stop bitching about your feelings. It's best if the show is genuine though. Ever heard of a duck debugger? It works analogously.

>> No.14017841

>>14017830
that sounds like a lot of work for a lot of dogshit

>> No.14017842 [DELETED] 

>>14017811
Low effort post signifying nothing.
Why is people are so quick to judge behaviorisms as all nature, while others insist it’s all nurture.
Characters are delicately woven of both.

>> No.14017847

>>14017811
Low effort post signifying nothing.
Why is it that people are so quick to judge behaviorisms as all nature, while others insist it’s all nurture.
Characters are delicately woven of both.

>> No.14017861

>>14017841
I'm just telling you how to show emotion without inspiring disgust. You don't have to do it.

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>>14015959
keep those emotions to yourself, freak, you're making everyone uncomfortable

>> No.14017895

>>14017828
lmao what the fuck

>> No.14017905

>>14015922

based

we must restore fear

>> No.14017910

>>14016997
pretty based desu

>> No.14017922

>>14017905
>>14017910
if you say based you're a fed

>> No.14017926

>>14015910
King, Warrior. Magician, and Lover

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when the hell did so many of you retards start actually using the word incel unironically like a bunch of fucking twitter twats

>> No.14017971

>>14017692
>replying to a tripfag
Your first mistake, anon

>> No.14017980

>butterfly tranny calling other posts low effort
Why does this retard keep coming back. I've actually lost count of the times I've encountered this mouth-breathing, window-licking, midwit faggot before in a random thread and had it just stop responding as soon as we talk long enough for me to point out how retarded it is (which always happens as the disgusting butterfly tranny is 110 IQ at best with a plastified brain from the hormones).

>> No.14017984

>>14017980
cope seethenorm

>> No.14017986

>>14017980
stop replying to tripfags retard

>> No.14018000

>>14017922

nobody cares fag

>> No.14018012

>>14018000
based 30-year-old personality disorder zoomer attempting youthful insouciance

>> No.14018020

>>14018012
dilate

>> No.14018046

>>14017984
This is an English language website, Pablo

>>14017986
This is an English language website, Pablo

>> No.14018064

>>14018020
continue to have low-functioning antisocial personality disorder, so that you get madder and madder as you repeatedly get banned from websites

>> No.14018082

>>14015956
he was a sensitive man

>> No.14018097

>>14017610
KILL yourself.

>> No.14018101

>>14018097
this really does typify the failure of the "internet edgelord"/fuck-you-and-die mode. yell at butterfly all you want, she's still going to still going to exist, and after a while, you'll look like a bitter crank

>> No.14018203

>>14017980
This is why you always filter all tripfags.

>> No.14018290

>>14016999
>>14017188

>It's okay for men to talk about their feelings
>EXCEPT

>> No.14018418

>>14018101
>she

>> No.14018603

>>14017188
How the fuck is it shallow or pathetic to cry over losing a loved one?

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>>14016292
I feel you bro

>> No.14018653

>>14017188
This is so obviously a woman holy shit. Literal live example of what you get if you're ever vulnerable in front of these critters.

>> No.14018660

>>14018101
KILL yourself

>> No.14018748

>>14015959
Yeah but what if whatever it is you "represent" is absolute dog shit?

>> No.14018752

>>14018748
Even in that case it's better than feminist rhetoric by several orders of magnitude.

>> No.14018814

Never show weakness to any female unless you want her to cuck you ofcourse.

>> No.14019076

>>14018752
Dog shit

>> No.14019090

>>14015943
This.

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>>14015964
If an actual man wrote this it is bait. Stoicism, dominance and aggression are all positive male traits. They define a man by their presence. To believe otherwise is the wishful thinking of fools.

>> No.14019144

>>14016165
Says the person without honour, eager to normalise his pathology...

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>>14016183

>> No.14019164

>>14019136
Those are basically the only useful traits too.

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This is the engine that drives women...

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>> No.14019560

>>14016733
checked and based masonic dubs of truth

>> No.14019619

>>14016733
Not sure how you can believe the cold war was an earnest battle if you recognize the leviathan
>NATO MKULTRA
for what it is, so i assume you don't. The cold war was a conspiratorial continuation of the previous orwellian war effort by the orchestrators and preplanned victors of ww2, who's programme subsumes "capitalism vs communism", "left vs right", and other false dichotomies impressed on public consciousness as a deliberate divide and conquer tactic against the masses of the world.