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14053259 No.14053259 [Reply] [Original]

Why is Communism so appealing to Academia?

>> No.14053262

>>14053259
Universities and urban areas tend to be a more leftist environment as a result of an anti-traditional setting known as the city. The city leads to an easier distinction of class and thus a university picks up onto it and takes the most radical form of leftism.

>> No.14053263

>>14053259
As education increases, so does leftism. As education decreases, religion increases.

>> No.14053264

>>14053259
i only know continentals to be marxist atleast philosophers

>> No.14053265

>>14053259
they just like the aesthetic.

>> No.14053276

>>14053263
>As education decreases, religion increases
This is objectively wrong nowadays.

>> No.14053277

Read capitalism, socialism and democracy by Joseph Schumpeter. He offers a possible argumentation why intellectuals tend to be adversarial to the system they are living in. Shortly summarized, they can't handle the fact that non-intellecuals are better of than them, and this fuels their hatred against the system.

>> No.14053279

Cultural ignorance.

>> No.14053282

>>14053259
Jew Boomer remnants.

>> No.14053283

>>14053259
Is that Boxxy?

>> No.14053286

>>14053276
The smarter you are the less prone you are to irrational superstition.

>> No.14053292

>make crazy money shouting dumb bullshit to starry eyed students that consider you some kind of Messiah
I'd be a commie too if I were a college professor

>> No.14053296

>where are the communists Jordan
When you define communist as 'everyone to the left of /pol/' you see them everywhere

>> No.14053320

>>14053296
Ironically, despite being a huge Solzhenitsyn devotee, Peterson was too afraid to defend his antisemitic comments. He doesn't even have the guts to defend his own proclaimed ideology.

>> No.14053333

They'd essentially would become the "Top Dogs" if their system is ever realized

>> No.14053334

>>14053259
I'm also curious about this. I know a lot of wealthy intellectual retards who are self proclaimed Marxist/Leninist. They're also highly materialistic.

>> No.14053335

>>14053296
It's true that people like Peterson see communists in every shadow, but that doesn't change the fact that there absolutely is a disproportionately large number of legit communists in academia, speaking from the experience of someone who was actually in academia.

And I mean unironic Stalinists and Maoists at that - the sort of people roughly equivalent to Hitler apologists you'll bump into on /pol/ who'll try to downplay his atrocities - only instead of being random no-names on the internet, they're tenured at eatablished institutions in positions of relative power. Several times I'd have a conversation with someone who was otherwise rational and normal and then he'd (it's always men, I think men are more drawn to extremist ideologies than women on average for whatever reason) get comfortable with me and begin pulling a "well, the great leap forward was a necessary sacrifice", or "the Tatars had it coming to them".

As to WHY this is the way it is, I'm spitballing here, but all the extremists I've ever known had similar personality types, regardless of what they were extremist for. So my armchair hypothesis is that communism is a more socially acceptable form of extremism in the west than, say, religious zealotry or Nazism, because we (meaning the Anglosphere specifically) were never directly harmed by communists in a serious manner so there isn't as much of a taboo against it - so they don't get hardcore filtered the way fascists do.

It's a curious phenomenon and one I don't get worried about the way the Petersonians and their lot do (because, again citing experience, everyone and I mean EVERYONE who isn't a comumunist in academia rolls their eyes at them behind their back, the idea that the tankies are taking over is just pure histrionic moral panicking) but it's still a thing that's real.

>> No.14053342

>>14053296
>where are the marxists
said the marxist

>> No.14053360

>>14053259
Their inclination to think they are more moral beings because of their intellectual pursuits, combined with their desire for a centralised "plan"/"vision" for society.

>> No.14053371

>>14053335
I'd just as soon wager that the reason is because Marxism is a utopian delusion supported by Coastal Puritans, as per Albion's Seed, rather than anything about actual conflict. Conflict with the USSR between the US and the UK was much more personal (the Nazis want to take over Belgium, the USSR wants to nuke YOU) and much longer after all, and the Nazis never actually did anything to the US and UK that wasn't explicitly during a war (the Blitz, the only real offensive effort by the Nazis towards the Anglo world, was a retaliatory attack after all).

If we look at the Coastal Puritans before WWII, and indeed the descendants of the Coastal Puritans ancestors that remained in the UK, they're advocating the exact same things then as they are now. Free-Love, the State raising children, central planning by the state, universal education for the purpose of creating laborers and ideological purity as opposed to actual education, massive censorship efforts, massive increases in the power of the State, and so on and so forth. Indeed, Marx himself wrote his works when he was in England, is it any wonder there's similarities? Marxism is just the cute package, these people who be advocating for the exact same things if Marx had never been born, they'd just be citing a dozen different authors and thinkers instead.

>>14053334
When I attended a certain large US university for a certain PhD program in a certain economics program, every single professor was a self avowed Marxist, oh but only if Marx had realized [enter empirically verifiable phenomenon related to that individual professor's specialty that Marxist theory says shouldn't happen but the methods of modern Economics force you to accept is factually true here], if only he were alive now and could see the value of mathematics, if only, if only, if only...

Mind you, none of these people support global revolution, they just view Marxism as an abstract package of beliefs that, coincidentally, align with those held by their ethnic and cultural background.

>> No.14053375

>gibs obviously
Academica is still largely state funded and for-profit education is looked down upon (at least from a professors level) so the idea that they would be free to teach with no concern of money is very appealing. It's also one of the few highly skilled jobs that would be guaranteed to stay under communism and if anything would receive more recognition so there's nothing to lose.

>> No.14053383

>>14053265
The aesthetic is the single worse part.

>> No.14053385

>>14053383
wurst

>> No.14053397

>>14053259
Because they have cognitive disonance.
Students don't know shit about life and specially about working world and production.
So basically, they take the "official" counter power to change the world they don't like (which is great). The thing is, that's the side the power they criticized allows them to go throw.
Nothing new in that. Useful idiots...

>> No.14053416

>>14053333
Before getting purged.

>> No.14053420

>>14053286
>spirituality is irrational superstition
Based retard.

>> No.14053426

>>14053286
Leftist views are irrational superstition

>> No.14053427

>>14053259
Because almost every modern philosopher in some way or another built on the foundation laid by Hegel? I mean, honestly what an idiotic question. And communism is not appealing to them. Most Marxists don't like Stalinism and bought into the neoliberal SJW attitude about how we should live in misery forever rather than god forbid hurt someone or treat them poorly.
>lol how can stalin kill people that he knew were threatening him and the end goal of the regime what a fucking madman that he wanted to actually build a communist state and not just fake it
That is basically the attitude of most "Marxists", especially the ones on the continent. They're nothing but windbags that gave up on any kind of real reform a long time ago and instead focus now on how many genders there are some other bullshit like that.
Ironically, America has probably done more in the last few decades to promote communism than actual so-called lefty states like Sweden and so on. A guy like Michael Parenti is worth a thousand times any Derrida-quoting faggot that doesn't even understand what postmodernism is and how it's opposed to class struggle.
If you want to get an education on communism, read and watch Parenti, he's an accessible primer for anyone regardless of age.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEzOgpMWnVs

>> No.14053448

>>14053259
Because they're more intelligent. Notice on /pol/ that the most clueless anons tend to be furthest to the right. The more you learn the more you drift to the left, unless you're a contrarian and you think by adopting a right wing pose you can distinguish yourself from what you childishly regard as a herd.

>> No.14053454

>>14053259
In a world of shared information, nothing you need to hang on to is physical. Greed and fear are the only intrinsic motivations for hoarding of wealth.

>> No.14053460

>>14053448
To be left wing you need to accept certain moral foundations that are not inherently objective or correct. It has it origins from a christian sense of moral duty, it is sad that those limited minds are yet trapped by christian moral values even after rationally rejecting the absurd metaphysical belives.

>> No.14053470

>>14053460
You're an idiot if you think morals can only be derived from religion. What a disgusting world we live in when people equate intelligence with the absence of humanness and morality. The truly smart people know that morals are not inherently logical but chooses to believe in them anyway because a world without morals is one not worth investing in.

>> No.14053473

>>14053259
Because they read nonfiction

>> No.14053501

Systematic infiltration and subversion. The fields they invented to further their cause (the various forms of cultural studies) have more or less become society's superego. The communist movement understands that academia is the fundamental institution in modern, technological society, and by taking it, they're winning the long game.

>> No.14053505

>>14053470
Are you capable of reading?
Moral values don't need to have a religious origin, and they aren't illogical as they are a means of organizing society. What i was saying is that left-wing values have their origins in christian moral doctrines.

>> No.14053518

>>14053501
This.

>> No.14053519

>>14053427
this is your brain on... what? pls respond

>> No.14053530

Read "The Opium of the Intellectuals" by Raymond Aron, he explains why.

>> No.14053532

>>14053505
Isn't every altruistic/moral teaching arguably from a religious basis?

>> No.14053538

>>14053532
We can notice altruistic behaviour even in other primates. There is no evidence as far as i know that those primates have any form of religious believes.

>> No.14053540

>>14053259
As someone from post-communist country, I can say it's not. Here it's appealing to poor, uneducated people, while academia is heavily liberal. Only reason why should it be is that academics (with the exception of bourgeiose sciences aka humanities) were hailed as the best members of society, second only to the party elite.

>> No.14053541

>>14053538
Well, that's true but I think it would also be impossible to gather that evidence in demonstrative means. Like... I guess you mean to say we can observe chimps and they never do religious stuff? But they dance and tell jokes and sing and make fun w/ each other, and you could argue those are all products of a common ethos that could be named 'religion'. And that the tenets in its adherence are part of what make other chimps like you? Seems pretty tenuous to me tho desu.

>> No.14053550

>>14053286
> being an anti-theist in the 21st century

Are you 12?

>> No.14053558

>>14053259
if you want to post off topic shit at least put "books for this feel" or something

>> No.14053585

>>14053460
>To be left wing you need to accept certain moral foundations that are not inherently objective or correct
So hereditary aristocrats descended from medieval warlords do have a God given right to rule over the rest of humanity? That's inherently objective and correct?

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>>14053259
women and bourgeois are sex addicts and to feel good about themselves between 2 orgies, they push for ''caring about other people'' meme

>> No.14053614

>>14053585
Warlords creating a hereditary aristocracy for their progeny which is then supported by the local religious believes is a common aspect of almost all societies on this planet up the the last two hundred years as far as i know.
What is your point exactly?

>> No.14053618

>>14053550
Religion is poison.

>> No.14053664

>>14053618
Oh my god, he is fucking 12.

>> No.14053668

Hope for a better future where there is no alienation or exploitation of classes

>> No.14053678

>>14053259
A bunch of young impressionable people who are going to be broke in 4 years are easy to turn against the rich.

>> No.14053685

>>14053283
It is.

>> No.14053686

>>14053664
Probably less than 12

>> No.14053707

>>14053668
because that's certainly cured with communism

>>14053678
>>14053501
>>14053397
>>14053279
these

>> No.14053709

>>14053296
Do you know he literally replied by citing a statistic?
And zizek prefaced the question by saying that he knows who these people are and doesn't like them either?

>> No.14053718

Imagine being confined to an echo chamber with like minded people, in which, over time, views become more and more radical because there are no dissenting opinions to be heard.

>> No.14053722

>>14053259
More schooling, more obedience, more goodboy points.

>> No.14053724

It isn't despite /pol/s boogeymanning

>> No.14053725

>>14053718
>>14053724
It has become difficult to publish studies that go against leftist religious doctrine.

>> No.14053729

>>14053668
A society with no enforced hierarchy would develop an informal one. The ones of a larger scale tend to justify themselves through claims to rationality and intellectualism. To some extent it is a power-play for even the most well meaning academic communist.

>> No.14053732

>>14053664
>>14053686

Prove that it isn't.

>> No.14053736

>>14053296
Everyone involved with the cultural studies and humanities today is continuing the work of Raymond Williams and Co. even if they don't realize it.

>> No.14053745

>>14053724
It's like 80% of professors that identify as communist

>> No.14053754

>>14053729
Communist still has hierarchy. Just not any that exploits people or has a different interest group

>> No.14053763

>>14053614
You seem to be arguing for the inherent objective correctness of the divine right of kings. Just want to be sure.

>> No.14053767

>>14053754
>Just not any that exploits people
Let me tell you how humans work. Something is integral to humans, but is banned by the dogma, state or something important; they cheat to have it.
>They aren't really people
>It's not wine, it's ____

>> No.14053796

>>14053614
That idea, like the one that the world is flat, is perhaps wrong?

Real reason you get a higher amount of american academics being commies is counter-culture, and that's because America is a fucking stupid place which has far too many measures to try keep power centralised. Europe the rates are much lower. Most actually smart people are moderate leftists, because that is what makes most logical sense from the most moral stand points.

>> What is the church is not communism lite?

>> No.14053808

>>14053754
There's nearly as many different variations of communism as there are communists. But the academic one believe that the creation of such a rational society would likely place then on top. Academics today exist as their own independent class and occupy the same position that the bourgeois did during the final days of the ancien regime.

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>>14053259
'Cause academics know shit about aesthetics

>> No.14053832

>>14053763
Did you actually read my previous posts?

>> No.14053834

>>14053767
People used to say slavery was absolutely integral to human nature, but it wasn't.

>> No.14053843

>>14053832
Yes. I'm responding to this claim:
>To be left wing you need to accept certain moral foundations that are not inherently objective or correct
So answer the question, is the divine right of kings inherently objective and correct?

>> No.14053850

>>14053796
>That idea, like the one that the world is flat, is perhaps wrong?
How is that related to anything i have said?
>moderate leftists, because that is what makes most logical sense from the most moral stand points
What are those moral assumptions?

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>>14053815
I can tell you do, because this girl is very cute.

>> No.14053864

>>14053843
I don't believe in divine rights, so no.

>> No.14053882

>>14053585
Are you actually braindead?

>> No.14053901

>>14053519
My sadpanda tags are bbm and netorare, lad.

>> No.14053913

>>14053286
But you just said as education increases leftism does...

>> No.14053922

>>14053286
Believing in more than two genders or man-made global warming is irrational superstition.

>> No.14053931

>>14053864
So you are a filthy leftist too comrade

>> No.14053946

>>14053931
There is no angle from which this comment is not deeply braindead

>> No.14053947

>>14053296
>where are the communists Jordan
>*Peterson cites literal statistics of self-identified marxists in academia*
>Zizek: "well yes but but I know a lot of marxists in academia that aren't like that and so on and so on *snif*"

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>>14053263
This

>>14053420
By definition it is.
>>14053426
In what ways?
>>14053550
I’ve never known a 12 year old to understand the detrimental effect of organized religion on masses of people, so that he’d be thoroughly against it. Are you 16? Trapped in a religious household?

>>14053591
>everybody is a sex addict
The priests you plan to join are sexually repressed and will likely act out at some point in their lives.

>> No.14053966

>>14053931
So in your mind any form of government that isn't based on divine monarchy is left wing?
Was the roman republic "left wing"?

>> No.14053973

>>14053262
>anti-traditional setting known as the city
t. never been to Vermont

>> No.14053990

>>14053947
He looked at his shoes and stammered like the pathetic walking stick he is.
Go to bed Jordan.

>> No.14053999

>>14053962
>In what ways?
Tell me in what leftwing views do you believe in and i will explain how they are irrational.

>> No.14054004

>>14053259
Communism isn't appealing to academia. Only "Communism without Communism" is.

>> No.14054047

>>14053745
lol prove it you stupid cunt

>> No.14054070

>>14053999
I feel better free, I think most others would like the same but don’t know how to go about it. Control freaks have ruined the world. Their belief in a soul, an afterlife, a superior race and/or class are poisonous notions that need to be eradicated from the human psyche.
The world is a mess. We can do better.
If you want to call this faith in love and freedom, fine, but it’s not predicated on irrational superstition

>> No.14054093

>>14054070
>I feel better free
One can be absolutely free only if he or she is alone on a desert island, having to deal with other humans means a limitation of some kind on your freedom in order to avoid causing damage to other human beings or having to deal with their demands and expectations. That being said the ideology that seems to pursue freedom the most is anarcho-capitalism. Or does your kind of freedom include the involuntary redistribution of wealth?

>> No.14054094

>>14053262
>easier distinction of class
Source on this?

>> No.14054104

>>14053320
>You have to agree with everything an author says

>> No.14054115

>>14053990
Lol did you only see it on a cut up youtube clip or something? Not even zizek is on your side.

>> No.14054136

>>14053962
>In what ways?
Their conception of humanity held by all leftists except the next at cynical Marxists is fundamentally mythological.

>> No.14054137

>>14053259
I'll take a guess and say it's because leftist values allows them to stay firmly in their "theoretical" fields inside their ivory towers and not have to do any actual work while still getting paid/the status of being "elite"

>> No.14054206

>>14054093
Incredulous retardation

>> No.14054210

They are hired first. Everyone knows you can't get a job in schooling if you claim to be right wing

>> No.14054215

>>14054206
Could you point out in what way i am wrong?

>> No.14054220

>>14053530
this

>> No.14054292

>>14054215
Interaction with other human beings doesn't limit your freedom. Being a human that complies with the limitations of normative ethics limits your freedom. You don't have to do that in the presence of other humans. It's something that one chooses to do because it maximizes self worth through virtue. There's no only about it. Regardless, even if I were to concede to your point that freedom only exists in isolation, it is still something concievable. It's still something that humans can strive to emulate as closely as possible, because it is known that it exists. I'm not an anti theist, by the way. You are just coming about this argument all wrong. That's not to say that I know what the right argument is; I'm still figuring that out, but I know that yours is wrong.

>> No.14054353

>>14054292
>>14054292
>Interaction with other human beings doesn't limit your freedom
Any actions that you perform around others could lead to a negative reaction of some sort if they don't agree with you whether you agree with their moral beliefs or not.
Simple example so that you can understand: i listen to music in my home at a very high volume, this might bother my neighbors.

>it is still something concievable. It's still something that humans can strive to emulate as closely as possible
Did you read my previous post before replying? Where did i mention anything to the contrary? I was implying that the pursuit of freedom is in contrast with leftwing moral values such as the redistribution of wealth, egalitarianism and environmentalism.

>> No.14054367

>>14053973
Read Arnold Hauser

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>>14054070
Why do you consider the notion of an afterlife a poisonous one? A person may be more motivated to be righteous (given they're not a lunatic to begin with) if he/she is convinced there's a future, ultimate reward to be had.

>> No.14054400

>>14054391
Because usually religious values go against sexual deviancy and promiscuity.

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>>14054400
Does not equate to the notion of an afterlife being bad in and of itself

>> No.14054460

>>14054093
It is a squishy word and you don’t seem to know one thing about it. Or what actual wealth is.

>>14054136
Some have made a faith of it. They start with Lenin instead of Stirner

>>14054391
They believe that the world, this life, is just an anteroom and let the tyrants run it into the ground. Slave morality, anon. Knowing this is the only life motivates people to live it properly and more fully

>> No.14054503

>>14054460
> Some have made a faith of it. They start with Lenin instead of Stirner
Stirner's centralization of the self has the same effect when taken to its ultimate conclusion. Only the most cynical Marxists manage to avoid it, but even they can't fully escape it.

>> No.14054508

>>14054460
>It is a squishy word and you don’t seem to know one thing about it. Or what actual wealth is.
Are you incapable of seeing the contrast between the freedom to do what you want and other leftwing values which require sacrificing your self interest?

>> No.14054516

>>14054503
>its ultimate conclusion.
>The union of egoists
>stares into golden sunrise

>> No.14054524

Essentially leftism is a form of power grab from people who aren't capable of getting money or power in the current system, so they instead manipulate the minds of low iq subhumans with bullshit that they don't even believe themselves in order to acquire power.

>> No.14054528

>>14054508
Freedom to enslave is bad, anon. This is why the pledge includes liberty and justice together. It implies freedom and equality. Squishy words for squishy concepts

>> No.14054529

>>14054516
Why shouldn't an egoist scam or fuck over other egoists to pursue his own goals?

>> No.14054531

>>14053286
This bite-sized understanding of intelligence is an incredibly simple way of turning people away from one way of thinking and towards another with the promise that they'll appear smarter and more intellectually attractive. One can list off multitudes of 'smart' accomplished people, especially in literary history, whose beliefs would be considered 'superstitious' to counter this non-observation, but that would be futile. For a long time 'backwards' religious beliefs that urbanized liberals project onto the countryside were the generally expected beliefs of artists and writers of all stripe; artists are inherently backwards-looking people, as is required of their craft that forces them to reconcile the tradition of their artform with the present in a way often more sympathetic to tradition than the urbanized are comfortable with. The reason for all of this, I might add, is that countryside yokels and artists are both connected with roots, nature, and elder traditions that urbanites don't understand; it's this fear of 'destructive nature' that keeps the leftists from being kind to either artist or yokel -- leftists are obsessed with modernized society, and their own interconnected social sphere, and they're constantly at neurotic risk of being 'cast out' and into the depths of nature, hence also why they read the news more than Marx or whomever.

>> No.14054533

>>14054524
BZZZZZZ
Wrong. See me after class.

>> No.14054534

>>14054516
The union of egoists is just the human community pushed by the majority of the left stripped of its sentimentalism.

>> No.14054536

>>14054528
>Freedom to enslave is bad
Isn't that slave morality?

>> No.14054557

>>14054524
Academic leftism is an attempt at a power grab by those who carry the most influence in society without the formal recognition of their power.

>> No.14054563

>>14054529
They do. But sometimes they’re outnumbered.
Stirner is a basis of what is. It’s not a pretty cult of personality for an ideal society. Max himself wasn’t some sociopathic schemer. He was a pleasant classy guy

>>14054534
It’s the commune come together to mutually benefit one another, and unwilling to let others take advantage of them. People are still too subservient and unaware of what powers they hold.

>>14054536
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Slave morality is allowing people with more coins to rule over you because you know you’re a lesser being.

>> No.14054570

>>14054563
>Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
You didn't read neechee did ya?

>> No.14054575

>>14053263
>>14053286
>>14053296
>>14053335
>>14053427
>>14053448
>>14053454
>>14053501
>>14053591
>>14053618
>>14053668
>>14053724
>>14053722
>>14053732
>>14053754
>>14053946
>>14053962
>>14054004
>>14054070
>>14054460
>>14054516
Back to bunkerchan fags

>> No.14054595

>>14054575
autist mass replier

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>>14054570
I’m free to disagree, but I’m quite sure he wasn’t an advocate of the übermensch using, even needing, slaves. So suck it.

>> No.14054601

>Knowing this is the only life motivates people to live it properly and more fully
Not so. The absurdity of life in absence of transcendant, absolute meaning can leave the philosophically oriented with to distinct viewpoints. It can motivate people to live more fully, but it doesn't have to.

In more concrete terms, learning that "Everything is meaningless" leads you to end the sentence ", so I must..." in different ways according to your moral dispositions and already held conception of the nature of life.

>> No.14054603

>>14054563
>Slave morality is allowing people with more coins to rule over you because you know you’re a lesser being.
Slave morality is doing anything that isn't in your own self interest and having to make compromises with others. "mutually benefit one another", nothing more slavish than that.

>> No.14054605

>>14054595
Fuck off back to your new home leftypol tranny.

>> No.14054607

>>14054601
Meant to reply to >>14054460

>> No.14054616

>>14054598
>übermensch using, even needing, slaves
Same guy who said that the foundation of every great culture is slavery? Same guy who was against the french revolution and the abolition of slavery, and viewed those things as a degeneration?

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>>14054605
omg gommies btfo!

>> No.14054632

>>14054627
Is that your selfy before the transition?

>> No.14054642

>>14053263
>he still believes in the neoliberal mythos of 'progress'

>> No.14054645

Laziness. Professors are lazy now, no rigorous intellectual strain due to material wealth and specialization. They use hegelian influenced gibberish to hide their lack of intelligence. Look at classic Derrida "you're just to stupid to understand "level deflecting when criticized.

A more interesting question is why did the marxists allow colleges to become money pits that turn students into debt slaves? You'll never see these professors fight against tuition hikes like they do Trump.

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>>14053263

>> No.14054656

>>14054603
One does not live in a vacuum. Not until we become self sufficient bio-borgs living in our own space bubbles. The anarchist dream is not just democratic but independent minded. Fragmentists can go die alone. Individualists know they live in a world with others

>>14054601
>t can motivate people to live more fully, but it doesn't have to.
Correct. Such is life. Always exciting.
>Everything is meaningless
Incorrect. Death is meaningless. Life is everything.

>>14054616
>culture
If so, we have robots now.

>> No.14054663

>>14053259
Source?

>> No.14054665

>>14054645
>You'll never see these professors fight against tuition hikes like they do Trump.
Why do they support political candidate who wants free college education then?

>> No.14054678

>>14054656
You should consider relocating to leftypol. You’ll fit right in there, buttertranny

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>>14054678
Tankypol is back up?

Well that means /christian/ is also back up. Go post there.

>> No.14054701

>>14054656
Why do I ever expect reasonable replies from you?

>> No.14054717

>>14054665
Why didn't they just protest the parasitic bureaucracy the boomers turned college into instead of asking the government for more gibs? Again, laziness. Now they want to be lazy and have guaranteed pay like school teacher is all. When they focus on genuine structural changes to higher ed, people will take them seriously.

>> No.14054718

>>14054656
>One does not live in a vacuum
>Individualists know they live in a world with others
So you see now that absolute freedom doesn't exist when you are around other people?
There are limitations, those limitations are a moral code, what you want isn't more freedom, because you also want to limit the freedom of other people in order to pursue your goals or the goals that you think are beneficial for humanity.

>> No.14054719

>>14054691
>Well that means /christian/ is also
Nah. leftypol have their little backup site floating around. Guess it’s hard to kill cockroaches.

>> No.14054727

>>14054656
>If so, we have robots now.
It's not about work force or production, it's about submitting and enslaving others, which is a fundamental human desire, indeed it is the essence of life.

>> No.14054734

>>14053550
Worse, he's probably 40.

>> No.14054770

>>14054701
*sigh* What’s the problem now, anon?

>>14054718
>absolute freedom doesn't exist
I did mention a couple of times that it was a squishy word and concept, DID I NOT?
>what you want isn't more freedom
Yeah, it is what I want. Have you ever even considered what the world would be like if there were no states or use of money?
>you also want to limit the freedom of other people in order to pursue your goals
Slavery is bad.

>>14054727
No, it is about workforce. If everything is automated and the people are free to go to the gym or the library or wherever, culture would thrive.

>> No.14054776

>>14053259
Because it is scientifically accurate.
The right can't science, which is why it is destined for self-destruction. It will not destroy the left in this process, because superior leftist technology.

>> No.14054788

>>14054770
>Have you ever even considered what the world would be like if there were no states or use of money?
Chaos from which a new powerful rulling class will emerge, to rule and submit in ways never seen before (not saying it's a bad thing)?

>Slavery is bad.
Can you provide a justification for this?

>> No.14054795

>>14054770
>culture would thrive.
What is culture? It is a way of asserting dominance and consolidating the control that a rulling class has over others.

>> No.14054802

>>14054770
>No, it is about workforce. If everything is automated and the people are free to go to the gym or the library or wherever, culture would thrive.

Yeah, all these neets producing grand symphonies and paintings will multiply under this pipe dream. Unfortunately, 0x0=0. If only marxists were as smart as they think they are they could actually solve problems instead of just genociding their populations.

>> No.14054807

>>14054776
>Because it is scientifically accurate
>The same people who deny science when it has uncomfy implications

>> No.14054823

>>14054807
such as?

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>>14054807
LMAO you select pseudoscience that reinforces your hatred of others. That isn't science, it's self-reinforcing stupidity.

Get good or get gibbed, rightist loser. :^)

>> No.14054830

>>14053834
how do you know? Did you have slaves and could compare your state of being before and after?

>> No.14054840

>>14054823
Biological differences among races could be an example.

>> No.14054843

>>14054788
>a new powerful rulling class will emerge,
The people. Directly. From where they live. (Chaos) that’s the opposite of rule btw. It would be anarchism.
>>14054795
An ever changing thing. Usually tied to the arts.

>>14054802
Glyphosate pilled

>> No.14054860

>>14054353
You're right, I concede. I agree with your second response entirely. You're not a retard. Butterfly is, for thinking that freedom is something that can be classified as a truly left-wing value. Not to nag, but look closer at your first reply to me in your post. That's still wrong, but if you didn't understand what I was getting at in my first reply, I will let you get to your next intellectual breakthrough before revisiting it. The example you have given me has nothing to do with freedom.

>> No.14054867

>>14054840
People being different is a basic tenet of Marxism. Race is a social construct through that can't just be explained by traditional science

>> No.14054881

>>14054094
You couldn't walk two blocks in downtown LA without seeing a hobo

>> No.14054886

>>14054843
>The people. Directly. From where they live.
Sure thing kid.
>(Chaos) that’s the opposite of rule btw.
If you read my comment, you would notice that i stated that the chaos would eventually lead to the formation of such a rulling class, not that they are the same thing.

>> No.14054894

>>14054843
>An ever changing thing. Usually tied to the arts.
What are arts?
They are just used as a propaganda for a rulling class.

>> No.14054903

>>14053259
You could count on one hand the number of university professors who genuinely believe in real Marxist-Leninist socialism.

>> No.14054908

>>14054843
>The people. Directly. From where they live.
How is this not already the case? It led to government.

>> No.14054909

>>14054840
If we go by the iq then we should gas niggers, and then everyone on /pol/.

>> No.14054921

>>14053834
>I don't have an owner, I have a debt of my own!

>> No.14054923

>>14054867
>Race is a social construct through that can't just be explained by traditional science
Are you baiting?
Racial features that you may see with your own eyes have genetic components, there are also differences in average iq which are heritable.

>> No.14054927

>>14054909
>If we go by the iq then we should gas niggers
I don't see why that would be the case. The fact that people are less productive and more dangerous doesn't mean that they should be genocided, just excluded from an advanced society, if you wish to have one.

>> No.14054955

>>14054923
I thought you said you were against denying science
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)

>> No.14054991

>>14054955
>Some biologists argue that racial categories correlate with biological traits (e.g. phenotype), and that certain genetic markers have varying frequencies among human populations, some of which correspond more or less to traditional racial groupings. For this reason, there is no current consensus about whether racial categories can be considered to have significance for understanding human genetic variation
The only issue is that proper science is denied due to ideological reason, there is no justification for us to not classify different races as subspecies.

>> No.14055003

>>14053259
Out of touch with the populi

>> No.14055020

>>14054991
>b-but thats not proper science
cope

>> No.14055117

>>14053263
the highest peak of education was when neoplatonism and religion were around

>> No.14055135

>>14054927
>just excluded from an advanced society
Same goes for /pol/tards .

>> No.14055237

>>14054802
Communists rarely make great artists. The most famous ones are typically aesthetic thechnicians of varying quality (one one side you have those whose works are garish like Brecht, Wilde, Shaw, and Picasso, and on the other you have some genuine talents like Joyce, Xenakis, and the constructivists but none are genuine artists.), you have producers of low-brow pop culture masquerading as art (Morris, Orwell, Mievelle, Trumbo, Parker, etc.), or blatant propagandists (Eisenstein was genuine artist. Perhaps he was even the Virgil of the 20th century. The Soviet composers and social realists were all hacks). Socialism has a remarkably poor artistic legacy considering its intellectual stature.

The only exceptions I can think of are Mann, Tolstoy, Kafka, and Eisenstein. I think the former two owe it to their religiosity. The latter two are genuine anomalies.

>> No.14055260

>>14055135
They are too benevolent, and usually exclude themselves already.

>> No.14055267

>>14055135
>>14055260
Aren't they already controlling society?

>> No.14055424

>>14053427
One of the best comments in this garbage thread.

>> No.14055433

>>14055237
Realists and naturalists? Steinbeck? Sholokhov? Camus?

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>>14054663
fucking newfags everywhere

>> No.14055557

>>14055260
I laughed more than I should have.

>> No.14055567

>>14055556
I remember when I found 4chan because of her and I was considered the newest newfag at the time. Must be what - 10, 11 years later now? Fucking hell.

>> No.14055568

This is like asking: "Why is Christianity so appealing to the Church?"

>> No.14055599

Communism is idealism made into materialism, which obviously appeals to intelligent people, they want their imagination of what a good, just, and prosperous would to be realized.

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>>14054908
It isn’t the case. You thinking of democracy? We don’t have democracy. We have a day of voting for someone else’s handpicked wealthy scum. That’s not democracy.

>> No.14055606

>>14055568
interesting take, but I think the church is based around Christianity, whereas Academia is an institution far older and wider than communism. Good try though.

>> No.14055652

>>14055606
Academia, at least the parts of it dedicated to the humanities and related fields are indeed an institution based around Progressivism, of which Communism is simply the most fundamentalist branch. For example, Harvard has been criticized for excessive Whiggery ever since it's founding.

>> No.14055660

>>14054528
Kayla?

>> No.14055673

>>14055652
but anon, whigs are liberals, which is the ideology of which capitalism is based on, and communism is fundamentally opposed to. You're saying contradictory things.

>> No.14055711

>>14055673
Liberals of ould like Smith, Ricardo or Mill were in superposition between socialism and liberalism. Only later the wavefunction collapsed and people had to take sides.

>> No.14055732

>>14055673
As Nietzsche said, Socialists are simply democrats (liberals) who are more impatient and more addicted to the leveling instincts and feelings of Progressivism.

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>>14053263
>As education decreases, religion increases.
Sweaty, I have some news for you....

>> No.14055839

>>14053277
Ressentiment. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

>> No.14055854

>>14053259
Someone is going to staff all those planning commissions and it sure as hell it ain't gonna be Joe the Plumber.

>> No.14055867

>>14053725

In what way? Communism in academia mostly concerns economics, political science and maybe some peripheral subjects like how communist policy (so to speak) would effect social outcomes or how they might be tools for something like alleviating the effects of climate change.

But overall communism is irrelevant to most disciplines, and in the disciplines it is most relevant (poli sci, economics) it's absolutely the case that the vast majority of academics are NOT communists.

>> No.14055880

>>14055867
It's also relevant to the study of biology, psychology and other similar subjects.

>> No.14055894

>>14053259
Did /pol/ tell you it was? Despite their gossip there are surprisingly very few actual Marxists

>> No.14055926

>>14055854
Planning commissions were obviously staffed by experts, but they were subordinated to the party which was staffed by Joe the Plumber.

>> No.14055936

>>14055867
Cultural studies train their student bodies to apply necessary activist pressure on the rest of the institution. They're the real HR department of any university.

>> No.14055943

>>14055894
Good thing OP never mentioned Marxists.

>> No.14055970

>>14055732

I wouldn't call it "leveling instincts" because for the American college educated socialist of a middle class background their ideology is often aspirational. It is almost universally either driven by utopianism or fear at this point. The utopians are people who see affluence within their grasp, they're familiar with the lifestyles of mostly care-free middle to upper-middle class professionals, but they feel currently feel precarious or uncertain of the prospects of reaching that lifestyle and maintaining it. They want more security, so they overwhelmingly support big social programs targeting the incomes of the rich BECAUSE they want to have their own standard of living raised or secured, rather than any moralism (though they couch it in moralism because it flatters them). The ones who are particularly fervent about their socialist self-identification often support the idea that capitalism is holding us back, and socialism mixed with higher technology could lead to greater, more secure advances in living standards.

The fearful are the ones who see major events like climate change as so disruptive that they face conflict and death in the future, and they turn to a universal humanism to try to affirm their right to live and the need to act, hence the Green New Deal is such a plank of the new social democrat wing represented by AOC in Congress. The only people we could suggest are genuinely acting out of a moral feeling are those upper-middle class professionals who are relatively secure but still support a good deal of redistribution, and possibly outright abolition of capitalism. They're materially comfortable enough that politics of material struggle are not so directly beneficial, and even more ideological. I'd imagine this was where Engels' motivations were, since he frequently wrote about his disdain for the capitalist class that he was personally familiar with. He thought they were detestable because of their hypocrisies and moral failings and enjoyed the idea of them having their privileges taken away, while hoping that the communist society would generally not succumb to as many of the same things he hated about the bourgeoisie (most glaringly see Origins of the Family).

>> No.14055983

>>14055926
Good point, and I wonder how much intellectual support for dissidence in the Eastern Bloc was motivated by ressentment over that.

>> No.14055995

>>14053259
Communism in Western academia nowadays is mainly performatic. If these people were serious about revolution they would be practising entryism in the Bloods and Crips.

>> No.14056041

>>14055854

This is just backwards. This anon has it right:
>>14055926

The reality of the communist part in the USSR was that on the high level for decades after the revolution it was run by many who were literally of peasant background. Stalin was a peasant. Krushchev, Gorbachev. Brezhnev came from a proletarian family. The professionals were constantly in conflict with the party, and were a major force for liberalization because as far as they were concerned they were in the position to benefit the most. And they did, after liberalization it was mostly the working class that suffered from the collapse while the professionals became business owners and high income workers. The professionals can sometimes be social democrats because they favor the stability offered by knowing that if they get cancer they won't go bankrupt or something (even a relatively high income earner can find themselves floored by a series of unfortunate events), but they are overwhelmingly not going to be communists out of some self-interest. They want access to the upper class lifestyle and security from falling into the lower class, they don't have such lofty aspirations as to incite a communist revolution in order to work do whatever work they are already doing for even less money while the communist party looms over them. Anybody who studies the results of communist revolutions would see that generally speaking they are bloody, chaotic and not very beneficial for the prospects of the professionals, who are often rendered as revisionists or crypto-libs trying to undermine the dictatorship of the proletariat.

>> No.14056044

>>14055943
Almost forgot about the non-marxist communists

>> No.14056069

>>14053259
MY NAME IS BOXXY

>> No.14056078

Boxxy a cute

>> No.14056115

>>14056041
You are right, but I wonder how much of this was expected by the intellectuals who supported communism before the revolution. Did they thought they would be ruled over by uneducated thugs like Stalin or in their fantasies the enlightened would guide the proletariat without any serious political challenge for their position?

I know that in many Third World countries like Brazil and Indonesia communism had massive support among intellectuals because it offered them a prospect of power as opposed to traditional political structures controlled by landowners and elders, but it is probable that had the revolution succeeded in their countries they would be the first in line to flee because the prospect of actual peasant and working-class rule would terrify them.

I wonder how much is the same in the Western left. It is all fun and right to perform communism radicalism in the universities, where its safe and stable, but being ruled by Cletus and Tyrone would be another thing.

>> No.14056146

>>14056115
>Did they thought they would be ruled over by uneducated thugs like Stalin or in their fantasies the enlightened would guide the proletariat without any serious political challenge for their position?
They probably didn´t through about that at all. It´s just psychological projection for events that happened hundred years back.

>> No.14056401

>>14054094
ur eyes

>> No.14056670

>>14053427
Tankies should be forbidden from posting until they post their physiques

>> No.14056687

>>14053259
Because Communism is newish and universities research new things

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A specter is haunting /lit/. A 40 year old lesbian woman tormenting 20 year old dudes with impossibly shitty posts, posting disgusting "iconoclastic" nihilism, posting infantile anti-religion talking points that were embarrassingly out of fashion five years ago. Her very existence is self refuting; her ideology has produced an ugly, lonely 40 year old woman, a disgusting cretinous human being, a product of modern excess and tolerance to ugliness. She is the sclerotic film forming at the surface of humanity's body of water, suffocating life beneath it.

>> No.14056772

>>14053259
They’re unironically last men.

>> No.14056846

>>14056772
Who's the Übermensch then? Technocapital?

>> No.14056948

>>14056846
/tv/ posters

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>>14053259
Because marxism is correct and academia knows what is correct.
https://youtu.be/WCqR35b7GTE

>> No.14057026

>>14053259
Who knows, who gives a fuck about the intellectuals, they're just bitter agitators. Modern Marxism attracts degenerates and societal losers who couldn't make the cut, so they sit around jacking themselves off and calling themselves "revolutionary" without lifting a finger because they expect everyone else to do the work. They're mediocre leeches that can't make anything for themselves in the world which is why no-one in takes them seriously. They're not a real threat and haven't been in decades.

It's also no surprise to anyone that once the ideologies of /pol/ and Incels doesn't fuel better outcomes for the human trash that follow those ideas, they move onto Marxism. Unlike Incels and /pol/, Marxists aren't banned from the mainstream and you get to still be a piece of shit loser angry at the world because you refuse to make something of yourself.

>> No.14057062

>>14053263
Consumerism and cultural dogma is the replacement for god, Anon. Religion never went away, even if God is dead.

>> No.14057074

>>14053259
Because Academia is about molding easy to control individuals, and not about providing objective truths to the world. If leftists are in charge of most academia, their world views are the ones that are going to be pushed onto their students. There's a reason democrats are horrified at the prospect of private schools.

>> No.14057086

>>14057074
>Academia is about molding easy to control individuals
Is that why students have always been on the forefront of anti-establishment movements and revolutions? Goddamn, americans are dumb.

>> No.14057100

>>14057086
Yes?
>School feed propaganda to kids in order to mold them with the political ideologies they want
>Someone gets into power that goes against said ideology
>Students rally against it like a dogmatic cult

>> No.14057122

>>14057086
Literally yes, it's for molding them into a revolutionary cause, all though these days the revolution seems confused about whether it's won or not and is alternating between gloating and hyperventilating about fascists

>> No.14057128

>>14057100
>Someone gets into power that goes against said ideology
Jesus fuck, what's wrong with your kind? Who taught German students nationalism and who un-nationalistic got in power back in 1848?

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Zoomer Boxxy > Boomer Boxxy

>> No.14057184

>>14057128
>1848 Germany is the same as the American Education system

>> No.14057191

>>14053286
The smarter you become the more you realize that attaching negative descriptors to a word doesn't make the word bad

>> No.14057192

>>14057184
Concept of univesity isn't exclusive to America. Death to America, for all I care.

>> No.14057212

>>14057192
No shit? Academia is different literally anywhere you go, but so long as government has its hand in academia in the modern day, it does so at the benefit of molding individuals as they see fit as oppose to providing students with the tools to learn who they might want to be.

>> No.14057213

>>14053286
>thinks you get smart at university
boy oh boy do i have interesting statistics for you

>> No.14057239

>>14057212
Goverment had their hand in academia for centuries. Didn't stopp students from being inherently revolutionary element. That stereotypes goes way back to medieval.

>> No.14057261

>>14057239
>The French Revolution was committed by academics
Okay bro.

>> No.14057272

>>14057261
Woah, slow down there big boy. How did the French got here?

>> No.14057286

reposting someone's amazing description of academia from a recent thread:

postcolonialism and identity politics are a CIA plot. Many of the Periphereal elites who pursued a western education back in the 50s and 60s ended up leading maoist guerillas back home, decided to strike at the military and economic power of the imperial core and you just can't have that happen. So instead, you turn them into neurotic clients of the academic therapeutic managerial apparatus, which is of course linked to the security services of the imperial core. Forever struggling for symbolic recognition by the implicit white male Other, Lucy(imperial superstructure) yanking away the elusive football of alterity before Charlie Brown(the subaltern) gets a chance to kick it. Meanwhile, right wing nationalists like Modi shamelessly indulge in self-orientalism(which has been the cornerstone and formula of all nationalist projects since the german romantics). Seriously, read Herder and you'll understand the parallel between volkisch german nationalism, hindutva, zionism, the russian populists, the political uses of anthropology in revolutionary mexico and the austohungarian periphery

the objective function of academia has never the pursuit of knowledge but the socialisation of elites and would be apparatchiks- it's just more blatant now. A college education in the humanities is really a self perpetuating modulus on etiquette, about holding power and authority while disavowing them, most of these 'radical' critical approaches often amount to no more than a set of bureaucratic norms about who's allowed to say what and to whom.Genuine understanding of anything or even individual appreciation is superfluous and gets in the way of bureaucratic politics.

>> No.14057546

If schools and mainstream media are all leftist propaganda like everyone claims why are all politicians that get in right wing? There isn't even a proper leftist party in the first world in power

>> No.14057980

>>14057546
>its not le real Le communism
you have to go back

>> No.14057988

>>14053501
This.

>> No.14058095

>>14057546
Because the left is looking to have a large portion on their side hen the inevitable revolutionary moment arrives. In the meantime they can slowly push all aspects of society leftwards (in the manner that educated labor is forcing all industry to the left at the moment.) to win small victories along the way and further advance their hegemony.

>> No.14058100

>>14053259
1. communist academics envision a society where all are equal and they are at the helm.

2. academics are largely firm believers in materialism. (a position, i might add, which frequently comes about by profound ignorance.)

3. typically, the entire careers of academics are idle speculation. such speculation leads to silly notions and delusions about society.

4. the need for a communist revolution gives academics something to do.

>> No.14058336

>>14056041
>Stalin was a peasant.
No he wasn't, he was the son of a shoemaker, and had wealthy friends and family that could support his tuition and school work over many years even when his father became a drunk.

>>14056115
>Did they thought they would be ruled over by uneducated thugs like Stalin
Stalin was extremely well read, and he wrote many articles on communism though they are usually overshadowed by Trotsky and Lenin. When he started preaching communism at the seminary he set up a list of almost a hundred books he wanted the other boys to read, he almost taught himself german to read marx in the original. I don't know where this idiocy about Stalin being uneducated comes from. He was literally like Napoleon, just a bit more gruesome in his ideological leanings.

>>14057168
This shit was the nail in the coffin, bonbon is dead to me.

>> No.14058370

>>14053259
Their wealth and privilege allows them to insulate themselves from reality meaning they tend towards idealized theory rather than the actual world experienced by others, e.g.: blue collars etc.

>> No.14058796

>>14053259
Deamand and supply.

>> No.14058819

>>14055117
plato was communist

>> No.14058828

>>14053259
It's not. This is a myth repeated ad nauseam by far right media outlets. In truth universities are bastions of capitalist apologia. They are more and more becoming spaces of training for technocrats. They have been this way since the neoliberal trend of the 70s.

Look at the actual crackdown on professors who critique israel or shite supremacy. The whole fantasy of SJWs running amok on universities is just that, a fantasy.

Any academic calling themself a communist will be considered childish by their peers. If they do espouse communism, it is a neutered, opaque and often nonrevolutionary variant.

>> No.14058876

It started with Marxist criticism and was taken taken far too seriously.

>> No.14058932

>>14053718
lmao. academia is literally /pol/ but for leftists.

>> No.14059567

>>14053259
Oversocialization.

>> No.14059917

How the hell do you read slave morality as a call to physical action against the rich? Slave morality was characterized by Neet-chee as a process of weak and impotent people sublimating their hatred and aversion to rank into "morality". The impotence is key because he thought that this coping process was only necessary for people who could not physically confront their adversaries (the slave moralist would call an adversary an oppressor here, the cope being "you are better, but I'm better off!!!") that tripfaggot is a retard I don't know how you can derive what he/she did from gen morals

>> No.14059981

>>14053259
Nobody who handles money in a capitalist economy wants to hire people who're against capitalism, while the capitalist thinkers are hired elsewhere.

>> No.14060084

>>14053259
It isn't. Marxism isn't possible to practice inside academia.

>> No.14060116

>>14053259
Most academics (1) have massively inflated egos and are convinced they are smarter than anyone else, and (2) are covetous and envious of the success of others. This is why academic politics are so ugly (which led to the old joke about academic politics being so vicious precisely because the stakes are so small).

Combine those two things with a world where others are significantly better off materially than many academics, and you end up with academics who see the system of the world as unjust, because others have so much more than them. But their general egalitarianism (usually) prevents them from wanting simply to invert the economic order and have academics as the class with vast wealth, and they instead insist on a general leveling of material circumstances for everyone.

They're not necessarily wrong in wanting that, but their motives are often rooted in petty egoism and jealousy.

>> No.14060770

"Right-wing" is anti-social, and since academia is a supremely social environment (socialization is the currency of academia), academia must be "leftist." The business world is social, but money is their metric of success. In academia, publications is a metric, but this metric is aided by socialization.
"Socialized" environments will always lean towards ideas that allow "everyone to get along." They have to be leftists because anything else would be anti-social. The idea that genetics/biology have any affect on outcomes and performance is anti-social.

This could be a better post but I need to be somewhere. Not all academics are communists, but they must all be progressives. Progressivism is an offshoot of protestantism. It's just the same thing all over again with the church burning heretics.

>> No.14060780

>>14060770
>Not all academics are communists, but they must all be progressives.
200 years ago all academics had to be Christian, not progressive. The religions switched up is all that happened.

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>>14053501
You do know that CIA used pomo to flush marxists out of academia in the 70s right?

>> No.14060806

>>14060780
the thing is these right wing retards think that it's "the communists" or "the jews" that are forcing this shit to happen. In reality, it's an organic process that had to occur because of the RULES OF THE GAME.
Not that there is "a king pulling strings" but that "the rules determine the outcome."
There is no conspiracy. It's simply a cauldron of social beings acting out the psychological effects of group/victim narratives, conditioning, and slave morality.
But it's also the jews, ngl.

>> No.14060822

>>14060806
>the thing is these right wing retards think that it's "the communists" or "the jews" that are forcing this shit to happen. In reality, it's an organic process that had to occur because of the RULES OF THE GAME.
These things aren't mutually exclusive Commies and Jews did play a role in this process.

As for historical determinism, yeah sure maybe it 'had to happen', I have no idea how we could test such a concept

>> No.14060828

>>14055854
If anything too much faith is put on proles in leninist countries

>> No.14060852

>>14060803
Sure, man. Marxism wasn't just inadequate, and incapable of responding to the many criticisms that have been levied against it over the past century and a half. It was a CIA conspiracy after all.

>> No.14060867

>>14060852
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

>> No.14060885

>>14060852
https://thephilosophicalsalon.com/the-cia-reads-french-theory-on-the-intellectual-labor-of-dismantling-the-cultural-left/

>> No.14060892

>>14060867
Why weren't Marxists able to respond to the POMOS, critical race theorists, feminists, etc. Was the CIA holding their tongue so that they couldn't respond. Plenty of academics still incorporate Marxist thought into their work. It takes some maturity to recognize that the rigid, orthodox form of it, is inadequate.

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>>14053259
The university intellectuals also play an important role in carrying out the System's trick. Though they like to fancy themselves independent thinkers, the intellectuals are (allowing for individual exceptions) the most oversocialized, the most conformist, the tamest and most domesticated, the most pampered, dependent, and spineless group in America today. As a result, their impulse to rebel is particularly strong. But, because they are incapable of independent thought, real rebellion is impossible for them. Consequently they are suckers for the System's trick, which allows them to irritate people and enjoy the illusion of rebelling without ever having to challenge the System's basic values.

Because they are the teachers of young people, the university intellectuals are in a position to help the System play its trick on the young, which they do by steering young people's rebellious impulses toward the standard, stereotyped targets: racism, colonialism, women's issues, etc. Young people who are not college students learn through the media, or through personal contact, of the "social justice" issues for which students rebel, and they imitate the students. Thus a youth culture develops in which there is a stereotyped mode of rebellion that spreads through imitation of peers—just as hairstyles, clothing styles, and other fads spread through imitation.

>> No.14060907

>>14060892
Marxists did and still are responding to those people, but it is just that CIA directly encourages the latter elements to foster in academia since the 70s to 80s

>> No.14060948

>>14060907
>Marxists did and still are responding to those people,
Many of them, most famously Raymond Williams, were mature enough to admit the limitations of their worldview.

>> No.14061000

>>14060948
That doesn't undermine what I said about the CIA actively playing a hand in undermining marxists in universities.

>> No.14061186

>>14053259
I really don't think it is; socialism perhaps, but any sort of rigorous application of marxism is only entertained by a small selection of academics. And that is only in the liberal arts, nearly all economics professors are capitalists of some sort. Neoliberalism and progressivism are the authoritative dogmas throughout colleges.

>> No.14061224

>>14054094
go to a city

>> No.14061234

>>14057074
based and redpilled

>> No.14061269

>>14053259
Rothbard explains it in Anatomy of the State

>> No.14061296

>>14054575
You've waited for this mement every time people have told you to go back to /pol/ and now you finally did it! Congratulations!

>>>/pol/ btw

>> No.14061349

>>14053427
>3:30 "National security is for the 1%"

You take this guy seriously?

>> No.14061715

I think it is becaus they look at the theory of it and what it could be. While thinking that the "real" thing hasn't been tried.

>> No.14062191

>>14053259
hey boxxy!

>> No.14062822

>>14053259
Because Academia is full of young, ignorant and presumptuous people who have no real life experience whatsoever; exactly the kind of people who are the easiest to brainwash with retarded utopic ideas.

>> No.14062903

>>14053259
it's a safe form of rebellion for bourgeoisie

>> No.14062944

>>14053263
Hey anon, 2008 called- it wants its fedora back.

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>>14062903
lmao

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There's a mundane explanation: the university campus already feels like a Marxist wonderland. In the comfortable wasteland of academia, the intellectual labor of the many is consciously, consensually combined for the purpose of singular communal (intellectual) objective, an objective which is affirmed by which individual who contributes his labor. Every chemist wants to do his job. No one forces the chemist who studies mundane tuberculosis protein chains to do it – he wants to do it, "for the greater good". Abstractly he's not any less happy, not any less connected with his labor, than the guys who sequenced human DNA.

This quality lets academics think of their intellectual communities (maybe usually subconsciously) as socialist wonderlands. Their struggles with the ominous ever-present "administration" emphasize this feeling, and also gives them the niggling hope that: a) all capitalist masters are incompetent and irrelevant with the exact same degree and quality as bumbling overpaid academic administrators ; b) if they can in any way overcome the will of the administration, all workers can overcome the will of their capitalist overlords.

They live on utopian workers' communes where everything is manufactured to produce the feeling of community, they largely govern their own labor and like the labor they do, and the power-struggles they engage in are conducted with low-stakes. Is there any wonder they think the rest of the world's revolution will be so easy?

>> No.14063098

>>14060907
>>14061000
>Aufhebengate
This kills the Marxist holdout.

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>>14053259
Cause communism stems from democracy which stems from academia which stems from Athenians which stems from philosophy nerds overthinking life 3000 years ago. This is the end result of not just throwing plato and the rest of the greek philosophy egghead nerds into the gymnasium stone rotten fruit drink storage room and slamming the rock door shut while you go out banging their women and challenging the high test slaves to gladiator death brawls.

>> No.14063783

>>14053259
Why is it that I can instantly recognize Boxxy from this highly stylized image, when I haven't seen her face in at least 5 years?

>> No.14064105

>>14053286
Leftism is comprised of irrational superstition. Education increases indoctrination and makes no difference to intelligence, regulation of disparate views into the mass homogenous one competing for status as directed by capital.

>> No.14064120

>>14057546
How are they rightwing? They're just liberals that these days submit entirely to social progressivism because it is powerful and nonconformity is dangerous for career and person.

>> No.14065470

>>14053426
What do you mean, the left of the Capital, as opposed to the right of the Capital?

As for OP question, i think upper socio professional categories have more self hatred, and hatred of their own life and living condition, than low socio professional categories.
That could be due to the fact that they were put into elite schools, and expected to be the best, even if they didn't really want to. A lot of psychological pressure. Thus they want to change their way of life, and communism seem to be the best way. No alienation, no exploitation. No hierarchy.
The argument of saying communists are unsuccessful people is retarded, as you'll be surprised how many successful people hate the very system that feed them.
PS: i'm not talking about LGBT immigrants lovers when i say communists, but people who want to abolish Capitalism and exchange value.

>> No.14065561

We should examine our relationship to capital, we shouldn't extend that to embracing total degeneracy

>> No.14065625

>>14053259
It isn't total just anyone interested in anything with little job prospects aren't going to be friendly to markets and even then it's more left liberalism/social democracy/"tax the rich"/whatever than outright communism. Most research isn't viable without public support and wouldn't exist/be scaled back and only accessible to the leisure class in a private investment society.

>> No.14066165

>>14063219
The BAP pill

>> No.14066173

>>14053259
As an actual communist if I ever came to power most of Academia would be lined up and shot day 1

>> No.14066485

>>14053259
Tons and tons of pretentious theorizing and dopamine rushes.

>> No.14066491

>>14064120
in a capitalist way. Just because they are SJWs doesn't mean they are the economic left

>> No.14066827

>>14054210
This. I've had multiple professors openly express their view of the profession (teaching English literature in this case) as intrinsically tied with teaching (leftist) politics. So then you want to be a professor. First you need to get a dissertation passed through a committee of at least four such individuals, then you need to get hired by a committee of such individuals. Why would a commie who views the job of himself and his department to be centrally about promoting woke leftists hire someone who gives off even a hint of right-leaning thought, when they could just hire the person wanting to teach queer medieval women of color and how their literary works upend capitalist paradigms?

>> No.14067053

>>14066827
Reminds me of that anecdote about byzantine theologists arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin while the ottoman armies are scaling the walls outside.

>> No.14067117

>>14064120
>submit entirely to social progressivism because it is powerful and nonconformity is dangerous for career and person.
You still struggle to understand why it is this way. It's not that complicated. The cognitive dissonance is huge.

>> No.14067142

>>14066827
Leftist politics at university are the left of the Capital. They are not an enemy of the system like some retard said ITT. They are the moral guarantor of mass immigration. Capitalism only favors actions that strengthen itself.

>> No.14067284

>>14053259
why is this meme so appealing to simpletons?

>> No.14067561

>>14053263
Based.

>> No.14067566

>>14053263
Holy crap kill yourself

>> No.14067589

Anti-intellectual retards that should not be on /lit/: the thread

>> No.14067592

communism fell out of fashion in academia in the 60's...."post-marxism" by the 80's

>> No.14067646

>>14053371
>>14053335
>>14053334

>As to WHY this is the way it is, I'm spitballing here, but all the extremists I've ever known had similar personality types, regardless of what they were extremist for. So my armchair hypothesis is that communism is a more socially acceptable form of extremism in the west than, say, religious zealotry or Nazism, because we (meaning the Anglosphere specifically) were never directly harmed by communists in a serious manner so there isn't as much of a taboo against it - so they don't get hardcore filtered the way fascists do.

>I'd just as soon wager that the reason is because Marxism is a utopian delusion supported by Coastal Puritans, as per Albion's Seed, rather than anything about actual conflict. Conflict with the USSR between the US and the UK was much more personal (the Nazis want to take over Belgium, the USSR wants to nuke YOU) and much longer after all, and the Nazis never actually did anything to the US and UK that wasn't explicitly during a war (the Blitz, the only real offensive effort by the Nazis towards the Anglo world, was a retaliatory attack after all).

>If we look at the Coastal Puritans before WWII, and indeed the descendants of the Coastal Puritans ancestors that remained in the UK, they're advocating the exact same things then as they are now. Free-Love, the State raising children, central planning by the state, universal education for the purpose of creating laborers and ideological purity as opposed to actual education, massive censorship efforts, massive increases in the power of the State, and so on and so forth. Indeed, Marx himself wrote his works when he was in England, is it any wonder there's similarities? Marxism is just the cute package, these people who be advocating for the exact same things if Marx had never been born, they'd just be citing a dozen different authors and thinkers instead.

this but I don't recall anything about Free Love being common in New England pre-WW2 really. Communism to us is just an edgy way of promoting typical British ethical theories about niceness, dignity, care for the marginalized, manners and decency, etc.

>> No.14067732

>>14053550
Religion is entirely culturally based. If you grow up in India, most likely you'll be Hindu, in the middle east, a Muslim. You shouldn't base your conception of reality based on the chance of the geographic location of where you were born. It's legitimately nit wit tier.

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>>14053259

Because social movements are evidence of productive precursors that knew how to fight the social inertia of their time with significant remainders of collective work that was turned into to great reserves of collective energy. Collective energy can never be destroyed even when met with opposition. This is why the marxian stimulus persists.

>> No.14068189

>>14053259
Because they are educated enough to know what's good for them

>> No.14068241

>>14056078
not anymore: https://youtu.be/out-etvwT8A

it's alright we have pokimane now. well, that is until she becomes tired of playing the social media game and goes into the fashion industry instead to become a bossy business bitch. Why do all things young and energetic have to decay so quickly? A couple years of peak attraction and vitality, then a slow descent into illness and death. fuck it, i hate life

>> No.14068249

>>14053259
it is simply their path to power.

>> No.14068265

>>14053259
Because the kids that support it really want to get laid by the other kids that support it.

>> No.14069201

>>14067142
Yes, it's the logical result of unrestrained capitalism. Which is bolstered by the 'Cathedral' effect, wherein elites in all sectors of society tend to promote the same abstract consensus.

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>>14060900
that Ted quote makes me sad. there are plenty of ways to rebel without blowing shit up.

>inb4 bootlicker

>> No.14069535

>>14053277
>>14053259

Also read The Opium of the Intellectuals by Raymond Aron.

>> No.14069691

>>14053259
March through the institutions, it is just the current year. One day the right will own it and we'll suffer their ideology.

>> No.14069696

>>14053286
Ideology still taints academia especially where it is most leftist particularly sociology with the most connection to Marxism. It's also the science with the largest reproducibllity problems.

>> No.14069703

>>14053277
This actually makes sense just looking at the anecdotes of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Richard Stallman. Academics make less of an impact than business leaders, make less money, and get less notoriety.

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>>14068241
>fashion industry
The hell are you talking about? She's doing voice-over work. She's always been an actress. (and a writer? Neat)