/lit/ - Literature

*intellectuals

We all know the real answer is because they are smart, but don't let's stop a good jewand libruls hating thread

>>14098607

There are conservative intellectuals but they are so far removed from /pol/. The truth is, there are no far-right intellectuals. They're just dumb brutes who hates jews and people who aren't white because they're really insecure. Anybody with an ounce of self-awareness would understand this and move on. Also, they're morons as well so they aren't able to digest their thoughts and only move with basic emotions.

https://youtu.be/PeIw91H97Fc

>>14098612
Don't libertarians usually come out well on top in terms of IQ when these things are measured alongside political leanings.
(The answer is yes)

>>14098607
Communism is the cringiest shit. Its always the same fucking buzzwords: class struggle, bourgeoise this bourgeoise that, fruit of their labour... Not one of these people was ever a worker. Not one. And then when they install a communist state, it's a fucking massacre, followed only by poverty and misery. But it wasn't real communism!

>>14098619
I'm a marxist but I also hate jews. What does this make me?

Not an OP, but why smart people would defend shit like femenism and identity politics?

>>14098607
Because it’s fashionable and a good tool for elites to manipulate society. If a tyrant seizes power and leftism falls out of fashion they’ll all flip.

>>14098607
Because academia got psyoped by the USSR in the 60s and 70s into thinking communism was permissive liberal and not evil
However some retards try to make this mean that communism created what they call ‘cultural Marxism’, which is a by-product of capitalism and would have occurred anyway with enough time

>>14098607
because marxism is the opium of the acadummy

Because western academic institutions are run by jews, and modern liberalism is universalist and promotes jewish interests.

>>14098647
Pretty dumb, bro.

Because the CIA and big foundations supported them all post-WW2. It's not so much because they are smart, it's because the post-WW2 liberal power elites wanted leftists in academia as an ideological weapon against a particular kind of communism. As the left likes to say (while ignoring their own covert history), read a book.

>>14098717
To add to this, this post as well: >>14098699

Commies in Russia were backing commies in the west. While the liberal elites were backing particular kinds of leftists.

>>14098612

>>14098676
>femenism
>>14098699
>>14098709
>>14098717
>>14098722

>>14098725
Read a book.

>>14098717
let me guess, you have never set foot in academia.

>>14098787
Read a book.

>>14098784
>>14098813
Read a book.

>>14098816
Read a book.

>>14098827
You first.

>>14098607
Jon Daily of the Stewart Show said it best: reality has a left wing bias.

>People dependent on the government want a indefinitely larger government
It ain't just academia.

>>14098607
this thread AGAIN?

>Why left wing politics is popular among academia and intellegectuals?
It's not. It just seems that way because left wing politics is the only safe politics for people in that field to advocate for. I hear it almost every day from some retarded old assistant professor who's just teaching a class but isn't really faculty.

Politics is for people who don't have a fully developed brain.

>>14098847
Read a book.

>>14098854
>Jon Daily of the Stewart Show
heh

Real answer: because right wingers tend to operate in a meritocracy, while leftists tend to be focused on identity. That's why companies and institutions tend to become more left over time, as leftists become a part of something, they start to exclude anyone on the right. I forget what it is but there's a name for this effect.

>>14098903
>right wingers tend to operate in a meritocracy, while leftists tend to be focused on identity
the fact that right wing extremes are completely absorbed in rewarding/punishing people based on their identity fucks this theory sideways.

>>14098903
Yes, the well known meritocracies that were fascists states.

>>14098903
kek what a load of horseshit

>>14098913

Far right doesn't have control of academia or companies, so he is right.

>>14098951
Name on far right intellectual alive and active.

>>14098607
Because it is one of the few possible conclusions of logical inquiry.

>>14098647
An irrational retard.
>>14098607
They don't, they tend to be liberals which is just fascism with a smiley face crudely painted onto it.

>>14098913
>>14098941
>fascist extremists are the norm and not fringe

You spend too much time on 4chan.

>>14098966
This is the right-wing he meant and you know it. He wasn't talking about Macron or Merkel or fucking Eisenhower, it's always Pinochet, Franco, Orban and their lot.

>>14098612
define smart

>>14098951
>no rightwing people controlling companies.
you're kidding right?

>>14098977
>This is the right-wing he meant and you know it

The right-wing who meant? OP didn't even mention the right-wing.

>>14098985
The right winger I was replying to, you daft pissant.

>>14098966
the entirety of the world's right wing today from Republicans to every other [Name of Nation] First style party around the world all lean heavily on identity politics. There's nothing meritocratic about it and it's all a stoneskip away from full throated fascism.

Keep being so loud and retarded, this thread is going great, very entertaining. Special mention to people who don't know the meaning of the words they use (e.g "fascism" , "liberal")

>>14098997
i'm just a CLASSICAL LIBERAL (fascist).

>>14098854
intellectuals and those in academia are a minority; that doesn't answer the question.

>>14098989
That was me. And that was absolutely not what I meant you fucking schizo.

>>14098995
>it's all a stoneskip away from full throated fascism.
lmao goddamn your brain is warped by tv, breadtube, and reddit

>>14098607

It began mostly with the Frankfurt School.

>>14098647

Marx is literally a jew.

>>14099008
So you're a moderate right winger AKA don't want to admit you're a fascist.

>>14098607
Because the powerful patrons of the academy find the perpetuation and dissemination of left wing ideology useful for some reason. Doesn't this worry you leftoids?

>>14098995
>>14099015
You guys are absolutely fucking nuts and have let the internet rot your perception of reality.

>>14098717
Based anon. Real answer right here.

>>14099027
>Real answer: because right wingers tend to operate in a meritocracy, while leftists tend to be focused on identity. That's why companies and institutions tend to become more left over time, as leftists become a part of something, they start to exclude anyone on the right. I forget what it is but there's a name for this effect.

This sure is a non-fasho thing to say

>>14098607
Oversocialization

>>14098955
not him, but the closest i could think of is Alain de Benoist

>>14099037
Yeah, it's actually not. You can *not* (I don't mean cannot/can't) be a facist and acknowledge the truth of that claim.

>>14098607

>>14099010
things "moderate" right wingers are currently endorsing around the world.....

Trump: inhumane treatment of brown immigrants as a feature of immigration control.

Netanyahu: a rejection of liberal ideals in favor of maintaining an ethnostate, genocidal activities to accomplish that goal, historical irony of this be damned.

Modhi: brown shirts murdering muslims for being in ten feet of a cow. [OK hand symbol]

>>14098612
>>14098619

>>14099066

If you think current immigration trends are totally natural you are very far behind when it comes to world affairs.

>>14099066
>Trump: inhumane treatment of brown immigrants as a feature of immigration control.

What would you suggest we do about illegal immigrants? Keep in mind Trump keeps getting denied increased funding for border control and you can't just open the border.

>>14099003
Thank you for your very entertaining post.

>>14099091
>>14099102
>completely ignoring the inhumane treatment part
thank you for proving my argument that "moderate" right wingers are just fascist-lite.

>>14099118

You haven't proven the inhumane treatment part, what's there to rebuke?

>>14099123
>family separations
they didn't even keep good records of it and there is an estimated thousands of children lost to the system. Mussolini and Hitler's fascist regimes were better organized.

>>14099129

That's why it's called human trafficking, it's done on purpose for organ collecting and pedophile circles. It's why the border must be closed so those things don't happen in the first place.

>>14099138
You're saying the Trump regime is purposely separating immigrant children from their families to funnel them into human trafficking?
Would Epstein have revealed this?
Plausible.

>>14099144

The people responsible for handling immigrants yes, those who want them to come in for such purposes.

>>14099154
>blaming George Soros for Trump illegally instituting child separations
as far as i know, Soros doesn't even fund Trump. that's more a Haim Saban thing.

>>14099118
>>14099129
This is because it's under funded. For every family they're trying to process there's 10 more coming through. There's no order, everything is a mad dash.

And do you know what the left's response has been when Trump asks for more funding for border control? "There is no border crisis."

So again I ask you, what do you suggest we do?

>>14098607
Because when you're smart you become a leftist

>>14099057
Sure thing naziboi

>>14099161
>>14099156
Bro just let them in, all those immigrants are coming here because they love you, not because they want your resources. Occam’s razor defeats another fash

>>14099161
1) not create more work for border control with mandating unnecessary human rights violations.
2) not redirecting funds away from immigration control to pointless steel slats.

and these are all complete freebies not having to do with the actual argument you are actively losing everytime you post this shit.
the argument was: are right-wingers near-fascism?
my claim: they are because they ignore policies of inhuman treatment in support of right-wing leaders.
you: ignoring policies of inhumane treatment in support of right-wing leader.

>>14099156

You realize that these "families" were willing to cross the border despite the child separation policy? These people were handlers for child traffickers. If anything the children were protected from much darker prospects.

>>14099187
>muh human rights
another retard buys into a 1950's UN invention

>>14099187
>the argument was: are right-wingers near-fascism?
>my claim: they are because they ignore policies of inhuman treatment in support of right-wing leaders.

Every political ideology has had it's share of inhumane treatment. Fascism, communism, capitalism, etc. But it's not a defining characteristic of any of them.

>>14099193
not a single actual account of child-trafficking was turned up in journalists interviewing the concentration camped children.

they turned up plenty of accounts of personnel in these facilities engaging in molestation of the children but no traffickers.

>>14099205
>Every political ideology has had it's share of inhumane treatment.
the willingness to ignore if not celebrate it is an essential feature of strongman fascist support.

>>14099214
No, the willingness to ignore if not celebrate it is an essential feature of strongman capitalist support.

>>14098629
Libertarianism is just diet socialism.

>>14099219
fascism and capitalism are on the same rightwing spectrum along with monarchists and so on.

All I know is that Plato was the reason universities, as we know them, even exist, and to rail against him, as opposed to build upon him, is, taken within this context, silly. Also, Marxism et al does not have any sense of human dignity, or personal, esthetic evaluation... that is, it is unfeeling. I am an anti-intellectual. Life is only lived once intelligence has been marred, not once our fear has succumbed to it.

On another note, while it requires intelligence to follow, it lacks complete and utter ingenuity, which is also the reason it doesn't 'work'.

>>14099207

>expecting children to know they are being trafficked
Are you insane?
Type "child trafficking" on any search engine, it's not even a point of contest, the very (((journalists))) that you trust so much admit it.
Furthermore the child separation policy was abolished in 2018 yet you've been focusing on this single thing that has lasted for a couple months.

>>14099237
>I am an anti-intellectual.
You're literally stupid.

>>14098607
Most left wing politics isn't fundamentally illiberal.

>>14099247

Seriously think about it, why are they crossing the border ILLEGALLY?

>>14099247
when every child you talk to is telling you that they were separated from their parent, has memorized a phone number of a relative who is already a legal resident of the US, etc and cannot point to a single proven case of trafficking it really flies into the face of that argument.

and and no point does that argument justify the cruelty of the policy nor does it rebutt the stated goal of the program by the administration explicitly being a goal of cruelty to try to scare away immigrants.

and you ignore all of that cruelty because youre a right-wing "brown people bad" identity politics brainlet.

>>14098640
its not even about the worker anymore, its about poc, women, and gay people.

Today's communist wouldn't be seen anywhere near a working man. They'd rather huddle up in their humanities bubble and talk about how hard it is to be over-educated, white-collar, and in college.

>>14098607
Because left-wing politics are petty-bourgeois and right-wing politics are big-bourgeois, and intellectuals mostly belong to the former group.

>>14099279
>>14099278
>Today's communist wouldn't be seen anywhere near a working man. They'd rather huddle up in their humanities bubble and talk about how hard it is to be over-educated, white-collar, and in college.
You're describing leftists, not communists

>>14098629
libertarians are just variations of social democrats

>>14099278
>Today's communist wouldn't be seen anywhere near a working man.
guillotines aren't going to build themselves.

>>14099181
Well you’re right that the real right-wing doesn’t believe in meritocracy if your understanding of meritocracy is “deracinated individuals compete using standardized tests and references”. A right-wing meritocracy would of course not award a position of power to an intelligent “qualified” enemy because meritocracy is more a filtration mechanism than a good in itself. For example, a Russian and an American are applying for a position at the CIA. The Russian is more qualified than the American, but the CIA chooses the American anyway. Why? Because pure meritocracy is a liberal fantasy (but if you are a leftoid you probably already agree with that statement but for different reasons). Conservatives just advocate for meritocracy because formal neutrality has been lost thanks to affirmative action, which is basically a cope due to the fact that they lost in the 60s. But most of these people are not disingenuous fascists, as you seem to suggest. Since you’re on 4chan you come up against this type of person a lot though. I should know because I’m one of the people that you’re galvanizing against

>>14099181
>argument: not detected

>>14099283
Most self described communists have the same worldview I described. If the more knowledgeable ones in academia have a different view then they're a small pebble in a pool of piss.

Regardless, most of the "other" kind of communist are usually a Red war crimes/genocide apologist.

>>14099293
Imagine thinking the American working class supports Bernie, except for perhaps a handful of holdouts in the midwestern Rust belt.

>>14099297
>The Russian is more qualified than the American, but the CIA chooses the American anyway.
that doesn't sound anything like the CIA.
why would they bother hiring an American asset when they can have an asset who is a citizen of their adversary?
you're not going to be able to subvert soviet power from the outside.

>>14099316
Haha you might be right about that one, was just naming a random power institution. The Army might be a better example

>>14098612
>smart
>fail to recognize IQ differences among races

>>14099312
compare the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bernie_Sanders_2020_presidential_campaign_endorsements#Labor_organizations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Elizabeth_Warren_2020_presidential_campaign_endorsements#Labor_unions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Joe_Biden_2020_presidential_campaign_endorsements#Organizations

>>14099302
>Most self described communists have the same worldview I described.
Most self-described communists are not communists.
>If the more knowledgeable ones in academia have a different view
Communists typically don't join the academia (at least if it's humanities we're talking about). You can't make a career there as a Marxist. The closest available job is a falsifier of Marxism, but communists don't want that from obvious reasons.
>most of the "other" kind of communist are usually a Red war crimes/genocide apologist.
Who says that they're communists? Them? But why would you trust anything that people you describe as genocide apoligists say?

>>14098640
based age-old lesson

>>14099181
>>14099037
Twitter is leaking again

>>14099293
Bernie is a de facto corporatist attempting to further consolidation by raising the minimum wage. He's the furthest thing from a communist you can be.

How is China not meritocratic?
>>14099332
It's not like they are denied. People on the left just tend not to believe that it's a justification for oppression or some kind of magical immutable characteristic impervious to environmental influence.

>>14099334
Labor unions represent the handful of rustbelt holdouts.

The white working class, nationally, is largely conservative. The black working class, if they go to vote, will put in for Biden.

It goes without saying that black voters in general prefer centrist Democrats and Latinos are also in Biden's camp.

I shouldn't have to tell you any of this stuff because it's obvious.

>>14099187
You don't even know what a fascist is, fuck off you absolute clown.

>>14099356
I feel like I know you.....

>>14099353
>if they go to vote
here's how i know you don't what you're talking about.

>>14099364
you don't

>>14099336
> Most self-described communists are not communists.

Opinion disregarded. There may be a difference between rigorous "intellectual" Communism aligned with historic Marxism, but the overwhelming real manifestation of Communism has been in Marxist-Leninist authoritarian regimes.

In fantasy land, that might not seem to matter to you, but the practical reality of Marx's vision and Communism as it has played out in reality is authoritarian dictatorship.

The hordes of leftist weirdos calling themselves communists is again significant in understanding how it is actually manifested in real life.

There is nothing more boring then a small cadre of clowns crying about what is or what isn't actually Communist, as if self-description isn't the most obvious indicator in the matter. Or that the petty nitpicking has had any affect on communism's implementation in the real world.

>>14099348
Yea they are.
>>14099336
>Communist tries to create a safe walled garden where only people he likes are real communists

>>14099353

>>14099367
Since you're clearly not interested in disputing the fact that Biden has fractional working class support, are you now choosing to dispute the fact that black voters have historically low turnout?

>>14099373
Are you from the UK?

>>14099394
no? what the fuck.

>>14099390
>>14099390
Thank you for proving my point.

And of Bernie's non-white supporters, how many are actually working class and not college educated millenials?

>>14099392
black vote is only as low as the prison population is high and the vote stripped from prisoners.

>only Bernie Sanders took the controversial position that prisoners deserve a vote
>only Joe Biden has a record of supporting segregation policies and wrote the bill that gave blacks longer prison terms
>you think none of this is going to catch up to them.

>>14098847
>>14098816
Cowardly

>>14099404
>Latinos are also in Biden's camp.
>Thank you for proving my point.
Selective vision.

I'm a marxist (gamer)

>>14099390
based Hispanics

>>14099379
>but the overwhelming real manifestation of Communism has been in Marxist-Leninist authoritarian regimes
That's complete nonsense. "Marxism-Leninism" represented a serious falsification of both Marx and Lenin. It arose from the need for the transformation of the revolutionary doctrine of the international proletariat into a doctrine for furthering the interests of the Russian state.
>In fantasy land, that might not seem to matter to you, but the practical reality of Marx's vision and Communism as it has played out in reality is authoritarian dictatorship.
Which reality? You mean the USSR after the Stalinist counter-revolution? I agree that it was a dictatorship, dictatorship of Russian national capital. Or do you mean before? Before it was a dictatorship of the proletariat.
Fantasy land is where is located your mythical democracy that's the opposite of "authoritarian dictatorship" (two buzzwords are better than one!).
You talk like a retarded Peterson NPC btw.
>The hordes of leftist weirdos calling themselves communists is again significant in understanding how it is actually manifested in real life.
No, it's only significant in understanding of petty-bourgeois ideology. You don't need it to understand communism, but you need communism to understand IT.
>as if self-description isn't the most obvious indicator in the matter
Communism is a definite thing. By implying that it's entirely a subjective matter you're acting like all the caricatures of postmodernism that your daddy detests for exactly that kind of subjectivism.

>>14099388
Another vulgar-idealist retard who thinks that saying "I'm a pope" would make him a pope.

>>14099390
I love how Hispanics in the chart are brown. I had a hearty chuckle.

>>14099440
And that's data from before the endorsement.

>>14098699

who /stupidpol/ here?

>>14099412
>thinks non-criminal blacks will vote in favor of criminal blacks

>>14099180
Literaly meme

>>14099232
Strawman

>>14099510
How is this a strawman?

>>14099487
r/gobacktoplebbit

>>14099250
how does that follow, you brainlet? how does opposing methodological rationalism make one low IQ? do tell.

>>14099515
Feudalism=/=capitalism

>>14099524
this is a legitimate strawman argument given the post you're referencing.

>>14099518
>knowing it's reddit

>>14099502
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>14099420
You're literally incapable of discourse, congrats.

>>14099412
Despite what you read on twitter, Biden still has the black vote. Poll after poll, statistic after statistic verifies this. If you actually talked to black people you would know this, except for most millenialls Biden's got their vote in the bag. What inflames the wokies most black voters will shrug off.

Again- Bernie has fractional working class support. The larger issue you don't want to tackle.

>>14099524
100% True. But couldn't you say that at some imaginary point in time this winner-take-most system could eventually collapse into a sort of Neo-feudalism?

>>14099451
Yawn. I wish you people could understand exactly how boring and pointless you actually are.

A particular kind of recurring authoritarian dictatorship is overwhelmingly the most important legacy of Marxism, a distant second goes to his legacy of social introspection in the developed world, and the leftover insignificant scraps you can keep beating off to in your ivory tower.

>>14099568
the primaries haven't actually started yet.
all of the issues percolating will only start really being reflected in the polling in 2020.

>>14098607
Better deniability and harder to fire.

>>14099012
It's the Irish, not the Jews.

>>14099586
You're bored because you're discussing a subject that you don't care about in the slightest. This is also evidenced by the fact that your knowledge of it is around the level of "I've seen two Peterson Maps of Meaning lectures". Just don't talk about things that you don't understand and that don't even interest you, and you'll be good.

>>14099614
>tfw made this image as a joke
>people actually believe it to this day
haha wowee

Read theory

https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/why-do-intellectuals-oppose-capitalism

>>14099066
>Trump: inhumane treatment of brown immigrants as a feature of immigration control.
>immigrants
they are illegal alien invaders and they are extremely lucky we aren't ripping them in half with m60s.

>>14099156
>illegally instituting child separations
lmao what the fuck are you talking about dude? What do you think happens when a couple AMERICAN CITIZENS get arrested for selling drugs and go to prison?

>>14098903
The left is obsessed with meritocracy. Part of their obsession with intelligence is because they believe it to be the one true method for justifying hierarchy.