/lit/ - Literature

You're way too infatuated with the masculinity spook

>>14233048
correct

What's stopping you from just working out three times a week?

>>14233070
absolutely doesn't make you a chad!!
I would even come so far and say that MOST muscled up guys only seem like tryhards, not chads.
It may help for hookups, but not in the long run and it may even contraproductively make you look desperate

>>14233088
Show me a Chad who doesn't work out. You could also play sports.

>>14233088
u trippin

staggering amounts of cope already in this short thread

OP here, this is what I'm talking about:

Take for example Richard Feynman. He has such a charisma absolutely without being buff or anything. It's something about his energy and everlasting curiosity and passion.

Or Neil Armstrong - this guy has an unfair advantage of being a psychopath, but he's simply solid. Clever? Yes, but also curageous and charismatic.

Getting buff is not the answer

>>14233116
It's called being an extrovert, and it's something you're born with

Don't correct people too harshly or be pedantic unless it's in the form of a funny jab that normies will get/isnt too harsh to the person in question. You don't need to show off your knowledge or intellect because it makes you look like a tryhard and will rub people the wrong way. If topics you are knowledgeable about come up in convo you can still just enter a give and take like a normal person and if you aren't hanging out with retards they will pick up on your erudition. If they don't, being more assertive with your big brain wasn't going to convince them of anything anyway.
If you're charismatic or attractive, it's easy, basically. If you're not, you probably need to start publishing before you get any social recognition for your ability.

Be intellectual enough to realize the value of normativity.

You seem to hold onto this fantasy notion that greatness is some natural trait that emerges from the womb, but if you look at anyone great they all share the common trait of working beyond obsessively at their project
Name one "Chad" that just payed around and somehow got all the recognition and status a person could want
You can't because it's a childish pipe dream

>>14233034
>virgin walk' aura
Haha this isn't an actual thing, is it guys?haha

>>14233142
>normativity
can you expand on that? the way I understand the word is pretty much synonymous to practical philosophy

>>14233070
I have a heart condition and my doctor has advised against it

>>14233147
no I don't. First of, I didn't even talk about being recognized by many.
Also, the thread was meant to get ways of working on one's intellectual charisma.. which implies work being done.

>>14233147
Their desire to pursue that obsession and their motivation and drive to carry it out was innate though. Find me a great man who started out as a weak listless feckless autist who spent most of his time daydreaming and jerking off.

>>14233152
It's his pretentious way of saying "being a normie"

>>14233034
a man doesnt care. Do things without caring. And also you should be muscular, if you look like a lean fatty boy, your pretty much a woman, and will begin to tend to show their tendencies.

>>14233119
I’m an extrovert, but people call me an “awkward extrovert” - how do I fix this?

>>14233121
>If you're not, you probably need to start publishing
I’m published in the sciences. How do I get published in the humanities? Is submitting analysis essays to journals cringe?

>>14233034
Be attractive. Then you can get away with anything. The halo effect is real.

Intelectual chad right here, most of my friends are females, and they are definitely way way brighter than most of my male friends, i would go as far as saying as i only have one male friend (who is one of the closest) that is of the same intelectual capacity of the average woman i meet, if some of you who hate women drop some prejudices and actually go out to meet people, engage in social activities, and, for the love of God, dont keep yourselves talking but instead listening to others and only talk when you are asked something or you actually have something to say, like minded and sane people will aproach you on their own volition, yeah sometimes you get the stupid ones, and there a lot of ignorant pieces of shit out there (gender has nothing to do with it) but give it a little time and you will be able to tell after the first encounter with somebody if they are worth a damn, charisma can definitely be trained, keep up with recent events, have just enough presence in social networks, WORK OUT GO OUT THERE AND DO SOME EXERCISE BECAUSE IT WILL DO WONDERS TO YOUR BRAIN, also keep your room clean, and try to accept that most people are ignorant, almost all of them just stay in superficial knowledge about the things they are interested in, because thats what late stage capitalism will do to your average joe and susan.

And most important of all, dont be a dick, if you absolutely have to get mad, get mad at something thats worthwhile, like pedophiles or people that kick street dogs for fun.

>>14233200
This is a big one, regrettably.
The game isn't lost for unattractive people, though, I like to think

>>14233210
>have just enough presence in social networks
How do you do this? Why should I do this? I’ve eschewed all social media this year and I enjoy it very much, but I do concede it might make it easier to social climb (or perhaps not having it is better too - the less people know about you the more you can curate yourself to their taste)

>>14233210
>dont keep yourselves talking but instead listening to others and only talk when you are asked something or you actually have something to say, like minded and sane people will aproach you on their own volition,
This only works if you are good looking or naturally charismatic. Your experience of life is too detached from the people you are advising for your advice to have any relevance.

>>14233210
Based post.

The "don't talk just listen" attitude has done wonders to me. How do you approach small talk though? Situations where you are, say, in public transport with someone (clever or not) you met recently are inevitable. Staying silent doesn't seem like a good thing, and you may be the one on whom the conversation lies. What do?

>>14233220
I have instagram which is the single most important one that you should have to keep up to date with any future friendships, and this day and age, the best way to know about someone without being intimate is through social networks, i hate them too, i specially hate the marketing that gets targeted at me, but thats the thing, if you hate something, you wont spend too much time in there unless you have something to do, if you train yourself to not abuse it, it would go a long way to help you understand what you should talk about and be able to recognize social cues that might slip away.
Its all about manipulating people into believing a couple of things about yourself, not straight up lying, but a bit of smoke and mirrors never harmed anyone.

>>14233034
>looking like
Caring about that already makes you a fag.

>>14233048

Cope

>>14233230
Thats where social media comes in, it will give you a wide arrange of average topics, pick one and go with it, or talk about your surroundings, if everyone is silent in a meeting they will be grateful to you if you start talking and actually begin to see you as charismatic, just because you talked when no one else was willing to, try to make them laugh with silly stuff, if you cant manage that, propose something to do, have a joint of weed ready if you sense that things are tense, but the one that always help is to ask them things, anything, about music, sports, politics, ask them and listen and then accomodate yourself to how they interpret the world.

>>14233230
Halfway through i forgot about the public transport thing, dont smoke weed in public transport.

>>14233265
If I want to be Julian Sorel, how would I cultivate my image on Instagram?

>>14233311
Drop sugars and greasy foods, eat fruit, and learn french.

>>14233034
>Only little people can pull this off

Wait, only midgets can be intellectual??

>intellectual
>Caring about what normies think
Pick one

>>14233311
Have strong opinions about stuff, but not too strong as to not alienate everyone, for example:
"Trump had a good house politics, but his international awareness and ability to put america first in venezuela or the middle east put the USA in great peril and its status as the powerhouse of the west is being challenged" this is about as brainlet as it gets when talking about politics, but it should do the trick with moderate friends, dems and republicans alike.

>>14233356
lack of international...*

>>14233338
>not realizing is not about actually caring about normies

>>14233034
You mistake pseudointellectualism with genuine intellectualism. I know a welder who is one of the smartest people I know. His entire life is waking up at sunrise, working 5 pm, then going home, drinking exactly one beer, and reading books. He loves history which drove him to learn about philosophy and art, and he originally did his degree in physics. He has a totally gruff exterior because he just interacts with people very little. Intelligence should correlate with masculinity precisely because real intelligence leads to under socialisation and posturing leads to over socialisation which is the effeminate trait.

>>14233210
>muh social networks
>muh friends with whom I discuss gimmicks, anecdotes and flimsy politics, but we're totally more intelligent than average trust me
>try to accept that most people are ignorant, almost all of them just stay in superficial knowledge about the things they are interested in, because thats what late stage capitalism will do to your average joe and susan.
how ironic that you're the perfect example of that
if you were to post a transcription of a 10 minute conversation with any of your friends, female or not, you'd prove your own pathetic insignificance.

>>14233034
stop caring about what plebs think of you

>>14233402
>I know a welder who is one of the smartest people I know.

Yeah so fucking smart he spends his bitch life welding like some medieval peasant.

>>14233293
This is the real cope desu

>>14233425
Medieval peasants couldn't weld.

>>14233406
cope

>>14233425
>NOOOOO YOU CANT JUST DO WHATEVER YOU WANT AND HAVE A PEACEFUL LIFE YOU NEED TO BE AN ACADEMIC AND MINCE AROUND POLITICALLY CORRECT ZOOMERS OR BE A COG IN A GIANT CORPORATE STRUCTURE IN A BIG SOCIETY

>>14233512
Have sex.

>>14233034
Emulate Junger.

>>14233556
So I join the military for my career then?

>>14233088
>Taking off your shirt at the beach and having chicks wanting to lick your abs is looking desperate

>>14233694
Does not look desperate but it still does imply in a subtle way that you are desperate for female attention.

>>14233034
Work in academy but behave like a normal person.

>>14233149
Haha no of course not, heh what kind of loser does this, r-right guys?

>>14233088
Retard cope

>>14233142
Based

Start training a high impact team sport, like football or martial arts. If you can give a beating while being an intellectual, then you're a cool guy.

>>14233210
Don't ever talk to me or my männerbund ever again

>>14233088
A man is strong in the mind and body. Quit thinking this is a zero sum game between the two. A man who is competent at sports or fitness shows determination that can be translated into other fields, and he has a clearer mind to soak up intellectual work. The virgin library dweller is weak in spirit and character because he has never challenged his body, and thus lacks experience that can never be found in a book or online.

>>14233154
Your doctor said to not exercise becausw you have a heart condition?

>>14233034
If you have to ask you'll never make it, sorry mate.

>>14233160
Dude just go out and socialize more and eventually you'll get the basic gestalt desu senpai

>>14233425
Yeah you show him mr. spends his time on 4chan and claims to be an intellectual

>>14233174
Napoeleon, Caeser (literally cried in front a statue of Alexander the Great because he hadn’t done a thing by the age Alexander died), Hitler, Proust, I could go on.

>>14233034
I feel like complete retard when I know more than other person about some subject.

>>14233705
>it doesnt look desperate
>but it kinda does
ok boomer

>>14233210
>mostly female friends
>listen more
>clean your room
Doesn't sound very chad to me, comes across as effete; if you followed this advice you would look like a fag. Women aren't all stupider (?) than men but are interested in different things that aren't 'intellectual'.
>>14233034 (OP)
Dress appropriately, don't be a pushover, and apply your intelligence when in matters and situations where people will take notice and be impressed by it. The intellectual chad, as you say, must have the necessary will to power

>>14233334
How would you write it?
If I wrote a little, it wouldn't be what I wanted to say.
Maybe not many is the best pick

>>14233958
Not exercise generally just weightlifting.

>>14234015
Only Hitler counts and even he was pretty motivated once he found nationalism.

>>14233694
Pleb tier entertainments, I know, but search YouTube for abs vs dad bod, you'll be surprised.
And the way you wrote it is beta attitude

>>14234442
*entertainment

>>14233915
Correct, but lifting doesn't make you dexterous and is just dumb. The only good reason for lifting is doing it as part of training for another sport

>>14233705
Chad lives to attract women. He doesn't put them on a pedestal like Virgin does, but being surrounded by women and desired by them is a staple of Chadness.

>>14233210
you really failed the 'not sounding like a fag' part of the question

This post reeks of insecurity. Don't ever make a post like this again. Jesus.

>>14234533
>Don't try to work on your insecurities on a Mongolian anonymous tuvan singing image board

>>14234589
Yes, exactly. It's retarded.

>>14234591
Your opinion is yours

>>14233034
>How does one go about being an intellectual without looking like a fag?
Lift weights. Be humble.

>>14233189
You can't fix the awkward. You just have to embrace it. Make it part of your persona. You dont have to self deprecate, but make it a feature of your personality instead of a fault.

>>14233334
Kant touch this.

>>14233048
stirnercucks gtfo

>>14233034
>How does one go about being an intellectual without looking like a fag?
by not caring what other people think about you, genuinely I've spoke to chads and ex gfs about it and it's always some derivative of not being insecure about (x) it's why some short lads can pull and other can have incredibly boring hobbies and still do better than expected, the key is be passionate about it and don't be insecure about it

>>14234805
How? Or are you talking bullshit again?

What happened to my thread? Bump!!

>>14233096
A fuck ton of male models don't work out because, as they know, it is all about face.

>>14234877
Just be charismatic lol

You can’t be an intellectual if you devote yourself to how you appear to others

>>14236000
Impossible

>>14235954
>my thread
Hey hey! Slow down there. No one shall claim the thread is theirs while I'm still op

>>14236006
>devote yourself
This was never implied

>>14233915
True but you are forgetting that there are intelligent + muscular (attractive) men who are still not seen as chads (see asians). You aren’t automatically a chad for being physically attractive. If your personality is a beta male then muscles just make you a beta with big muscles. Obviously miles ahead of being a normal beta but still a weak man.

>>14236096
>>14235954
Erm, neither of these guys are OP, I am.

>>14233088
Classic DYEL cope

>>14233034
t. closet homosex

>>14233034
I learned a long time ago that if I never openly expose my power level, if my intellectual enthusiasms are revealed slowly and organically, if I never act as though I have something to prove, people will begin to imagine greater depths and dimensions to my personality. Also stay fit, make sure you have good posture, but don't get too muscular (unless you're a professional athlete no one will take you seriously if you're too muscular).

>>14233356
>changing your opinions to not offend others

absolutely gay.don't take the normiepill.

>>14233229
This. I have to force myself to speak up to get people to notice me, otherwise they all drift off.

>>14233210
this was written by a roastie

>>14233034
The truth is that the might of the great Chinese and Persian empires were maintained by intellectual eunuchs. Eunuchs were the administrative backbones of these empires, giving continuity outside of familial structures in some sense...
It's hard to explain, but what the West needs are eunuchs, not trans, in administrative high-profile positions. Trust me on this.
Better to be a cold-calculating eunuch than a brain-damaged trans. Culture should accommodate and accept eunuchs as intellectual-type figures.

>>14233048
Masculinity is not a spook, but you’re correct in that he’s obsessed with it. That’s not how masculinity is done.

>>14233210
Not really. Most women are drones with no original thoughts or personality.

At the same time, intellectual men these days are rare because of the nerd stereotype and onions boy/incel epidemic, and women are attending college more, so your situation is credible.

But I prefer intellectual men over intellectual women for such deep discussions. Women just end up agreeing with you, but men are way more creative and aggressive. Way more fun and much, much deeper.

>>14233034
Simple. Look at Bismarck or Churchill. They have an Aura of wisdom & knowledge. The simple "nerd" is always damned to be a feminine. But being perceived as an intelligent man means to be perceived as powerful. Display power, be active, manifest you knowledge and people will get the wink.

>>14233048
That's also true. OP is a incel beta make

>>14233088
Absolutely true. A man who looks like a Celvin Klein model is percieved as such. A simple shell of a man without a substance.

>>14233096
Me

>>14233116
It's power motherfucker. They display cultural relevance.

>>14233183
Based. But what this fag didn't get is that you have to be perceived as if you don't care. The display of intellect and attractiveness is accidental, a byproduct

>>14233088
Exercise is a necessary component to masculinity, but it is not masculinity itself. Being strong will adjust your mindset.

>>14233210
You sound stupid. I don't know. I tend to pick out people who are dumb or intelligent easily.

>>14234375
You should have written 'only few people'.

Better to be wise than intellectual, OP.

>>14233329
>Drop sugars
>Eat fruits
Kek

>>14238824
One more thing. I am a tall dude with a dad bod. My whole life I got told I have an aura of authority. I am not even larping saying that. All my ex girlfriends have been submissive homely girls as soon as we got together. I like to party some times so some of those girls were literal party hoes before we met.
I am not a model. I am not rich I am not a "Chad" by any stretch of the imagination. But I would say I know how to walk straight and talk. I know how to dominate a situation quite well. Because of that I get percieved as an authority.

I guess there are two archetypes for male intelligent individuals. The nerdy introvert weak but highly intelligent person and the powerful man.

And if you read this like "be the Ubermesch" or some shit like that. Go kill yourself. I am not saying be a sociopath. Authority is a Nuanced attribute.

>>14233034
>>Is someone here observant enough to point out what makes the seldom intellectual chads the way they are?
i love how omega males know very little about women. Intellectuals talk about sex in their philosophy and entertainment, especially the christian ones, ie anybody after the greeks. Women love sex and sex talks, so women are drawn to those people.

>>14233116
>>Take for example Richard Feynman. He has such a charisma absolutely without being buff or anything. It's something about his energy and everlasting curiosity and passion.
he was a sex addict, like any bourgeois. stop relying on american ''''''''''''''''''education''''''''''''''

>>14233737
Every actuary I know is an Ivy League married well adjusted graduate who exercises often, loves math, and studies programming and statistics for fun. A lot of them were original Bitcoin miners years ago. Not even kidding about this.

>>14233034
>The sense of masculinity is connected to some degree of vulgarity
No, this is a cope for people who aren't ultra-masculine

>if you are busy with your thoughts, it makes you unapproachable
Yes, but this is tunnel vision, not mental exercise. You can manage your time better

>surrounded mostly by males (at least while still studying) and often betas, which just doesn't give you the exposure to the situations that define a chad

Being surrounded by beta male fans *is* what defines a Chad.

>>14233425
This
If you're really an intellectual, this is a cop-out.
You can be masculine without being athletic or extroverted. It is about ruthlessness. You have to know what you believe and stick to it, even if you have to lie about it from time to time. Your average published "intellectual" is very effeminate because he just sucks up to whoever buys his groceries, like a trophy wife.

Aside from Feynman's books, you should also see "Dancing Naked in the Mind Field", "A Life Decoded", or "The Log From the Sea of Cortez".

>>14233282
>>14233338
>>14233414

This
Trying to fit in with normies is counterproductive. You're trying to be someone you're not, and they see this and lose respect for you. Hang out with other intellectuals, and suddenly the herd sees another herd and is impressed.

IMHO exercise is overrated and maybe even counterproductive. Our ancestors sat at desks for thousands of years and they were fine.

>masculinity is status food and sex
how brainwashed by jewish propaganda do you have to be to believe this?

>>14236125
OP of another thread, perhaps

>>14233210
>Intelectual chad right here, most of my friends are females, and they are definitely way way brighter than most of my male friends
go back to instagram or your self help blogs roastie

>>14239118
Thanks for the book recommendations. People also walked everywhere too anon and never had such a big food surplus like we do now too.

So would you agree that it’s best to stay off social media if you’re already off it? Seems like a very normie thing to do

>>14233034
The manner you ask that question makes you a fag already - try again.

Hint - read Kierkegaard.

Easy, you get fitlit, start lifting and read whenever you want after that. Ancient Greeks pulled off the whole "buff philosopher" look pretty well, you can do it.

>>14233034
I think you're basically on track

>>14239118
Based