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>>14248291
Light cannot exist without darkness darkness is inherently a product of light

>>14248483
why is God bound by this rule though? shouldn't light, as his creation, exist however he wants it to? I thought he was omnipotent

>>14248291
God doesn't want you to be happy. Happiness is a sin and capital punishment awaits those who promote it.

>>14248585
what does God want

>>14248673
To make you suffer and make you love it.

>>14248577
And this is how He wanted Creation and it exists as such

>And seeing that the light was good, God separated the light from the darkness.
Just like a sculptor chips away the stone to reveal the figure,
God chips away darkness to reveal the light.
That is the destiny of each and every human soul,
For His is the kingdom, the power and the glory, forever.
Amen

>>14248749
then the cunt isn't much benevolent is he

>>14248749
so this post is wrong and has nothing to do with the issue?
>>14248483

>>14248483
>>14248778
>>14248749
You are ignoring the OP. God decides what the world is, so you cannot make up excuses for evil, because God decided that.

>>14248778
so he isn't omnipotent, he is limited by the nature of light and darkness and can only produce or sculpt things that material will support?

>>14248843
Correct
Physical reality>God

>>14248483
Light can exist without darkness, the same way good can exist without evil. Like >>14248749 said, that's how He designed reality, for Humans to choose between good or evil. Designing something to be explicitly good is nice, but designing something in the image of the creator with the ability to choose and chooses good brings glory. Why it works this way? See >>14248749

>>14248841
>>14248843

God created the world (and man) for His Glory. He created darkness to elevate the light, correspondingly. Evil is a necessary part of free will; that's what makes choosing light so glorious.
You will know this to be true when you realize how all your mistakes are what changed your heart in the end.

>>14248291
I think most people have enough time wasting annoyances in a day, why add to the stack of bullshit? If bdsm is your thing, great, just understand no one needs to participate in overly dramatic crap because of underlying psychological childhood bullshit most people grow out of.

>>14248291
>Suffering is needed to make sure happiness feels good!
Therefore -the owls said- we shall make you suffer so your suffering validates your goodness!
we knew and were good before you anyway
[laughs in blood]

>>14248291
Why bother engaging critically with obvious cope?

>>14249076
They really need jobs and to get their asses back to school. Problem is op obviously has far too much time on their hands.

>>14248970
>to elevate the light
>Evil is a necessary part of free will
Only because God made it to be so.

so there is no answer? God made suffering because he felt like it? he could have made the world another way but he chose to include suffering for his own vain benefit? (create more "glorious" subjects, ect.)

>>14248970
it's unbelievable the pretzels judeo-"""christians""" will twist themselves into to justify a material universe soaked in the suffering of living things. you feed on God's creation to live, only a divine dementoid could cook up such a sick universe.

just admit the gnostics were right already and the real God is far, far, far away from here.

>>14249086
>far too much time on their hands
This is every christcuck ever tho
Religion is the original incel cope

>>14249817
Gnostic metaphysics are fucking retarded though

>>14249817

The reason all life feeds on life is explained by the fall. Mankind fell into sin and death entered creation, it was never meant to be this way according the Christianity

>>14250189
>was never meant to be this way
actually God would have known exactly what would happen when he put adam and eve in the garden, he also would jave known of hasatans plan. hat's the rub with omniscience...

If god created the universe, who created god?
>he didn't need to be created, he was always there
so why did the universe need creation, why couldn't it always have been there?

>basing your life around something this easily criticised
imagine

The athiest explanation for suffering isnt very appealing either. Its suffering wtf do you want? Maybe when were just brains sucked into a data chip suffering will be gone.

Yeah its just an entry level high school philosophy tier megacope

>>14250397
Also a retarded high school philosophy question
>but den who made dis???
Please gtfo my board so the IQ average can raise a little

>>14250443
answer the question, abraham.
>hur durr noooo don't question this swiss cheese narrative, just blindly believe everything we tell you
nah

>>14250424
the atheist doesn't need to answer for suffering though as there would be no expectation of an inherently good creator

>HOW COME BAD THING HAPEN?
>W-WHY BAD THING HAPPANE!!??
>BAD THING HAPENN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>WHY GOD MAKE BAD THING HAPPEN??????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

>>14250496
Maybe you should read Aquinas sweetie

>>14250673
This is a problem which has been debated by the most influential theologians for millennia; if you aren't up for the conversation don't bother replying

>>14250673
Grow up. This is garbage-tier mockery.

>>14250702
>>14250703
>NOOOOOOO BAD THING IMPORTANT!!!!!!
>YOU HAVE TO ASK WHY BAD THING HAPPPENE!!!!!!!!!

>>14250720
>lol just don't think about reality bro like what's the big deal nothing even matters bro. the nature of God? bro thinking about that won't get you laid

>>14250720
I'm on the fence about this issue and you are turning me against your own point. Debate his point. I'm a firm believer myself, but I have no explanation to this. Could you answer for my sake, friend?

>>14248291
cope

>>14250720
Read Schelling. He'll blow your asshole out

>>14250731
evil is the privation of order to the proper end by way of an agent, ie man who has free will.

>>14250795
you are talking about what evil is rather than why evil exists.
>free will
this isn't a 'get out of logic free' card, all you have done is push the issue back onto another one of God's creations

>>14250833
the point is that evil isn't a nature, meaning God didnt create it

>>14248291
iF GoD eXisStsS WyH BAd tHinGs HapPEn!!?!!?!11!1!

>>14248291
>God
Well theirs your problem

>>14248843
Omnipotence is a jewish heresy. That implies the future is known, set in stone. Instead, Christians believe in free will, individual responsibility, a state of fallen being that is nevertheless redeemable and improvable, etc.

You saw some kike tier meme once about "if god is all powerful, then .... " and thought that was a universal assumption of religion most likely. Maybe you should just try reading the books instead so you don't get even the basic 101 facts inverted.

>>14250880
>Maybe you should just try reading the books
OP asks for sources retard (and you didn't give any)

>>14250880
>Omnipotence is a jewish heresy. That implies the future is known
no it doesn't, in fact it would imply that God can change the future at any time. you are thinking of omniscience

>>14250893
OP is just a retarded strawman

>>14250921
Nah, knowing is a state of being. You can be all knowing in the moment. Being all powerful crosses time. In the Christian tradition, God is identified as Logos, or Reasoned Truth; to the extent that it is applied by the individual, things are known; in its essence it is is all knowing. Sins against time such as omnipotence or usury are the second highest heresies in the Christian tradition, after only blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

>>14250924
OP is literally making the argument that is presented every time suffering comes up on this board

>>14250961
being all knowing implies knowledge of the future though, which means it must be determined, otherwise the thinks you "know" could be false. omnipotence doesn't pose an issue for time at all

>>14250965
its a heretical argument

>>14250977
then hook up the source or the canonical one, goddamn anon

>>14250991
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/

>>14248291
>My concept of a good world is superior to that of God's therefore he isn't real

>>14251015
I've read Aquinas anon, use your words. Aquinas basically argues evil doesn't exist, or rather it only exists as a lack of a particular teleological good, which is very hand-wavey, and is a pretty lame description in the face of the worst attrocites; at least Augustine was at least original when he presented this position.

>>14250874
>>»theirs»>>

>>14248291
Can I save this picture, yet still think Luther is burning in Hell??

No, because before the fall, there was happiness whit no suffering.

>>14250385
>actually God would have known exactly what would happen when he put adam and eve in the garden, he also would jave known of hasatans plan. hat's the rub with omniscience...
Free will is vastly more important to God than your stupid fee-fees.

God does not want a lifeless universe populated by NPC's who can only do good and never make mistakes.

Suffering is nothing but the sensation, and/or knowledge, and/or intuition, that your present situation is worse than it has been or could be.
There can't be Time, Freewill and value (God being the Good), without there being suffering. It is the presence of potential for improvement.
Do you wish to exist without the option for progression? You can't have free will without the reality of change, you can't have change without loss. One can even say thay to exist as an individual implies that you have a will, otherwise you'd would only be a cog in the wheel and not actually exist, (qualia is then illusory) this then implies that evil does not exist because perpetrator and victim don't exist.

One can of course argue that the magnitude of suffering is unfairly high, but absolute freedom and the lack of a ceiling of ascension of good = the lack of a bottom of pain.
All evil in the world is product of ours, the Christians claim that in our sin we poison the world, we created death, all creation is fallen. (I'm not Christian.)

>>14251414
Why would you pretend to know what is most important to God? Why assume he holds the creation of free will in higher regards than the well-being of thise creation?

>>14251428
I didn't read all that but you accidentally posted it in a thread about monotheistic theology

>>14251436
Platonism is pseudo-monotheist. Christians always use all our arguments as their own, giving them access to another won't hurt.

>>14251431
>Why would you pretend to know what is most important to God?
Because God told us so in very obvious terms.
>Why assume he holds the creation of free will in higher regards than the well-being of thise creation?
Because 'well-being' is just code for 'my fee-fees', and we've already demonstrated that nobody cares about your fee-fees, not other people and certainly not God.

>>14251446
what sort of severe autism do you have to have to think the only issues someone could have with the world is their own personal feelings. have you serious never considered why children get cancer or people commit mass murder? why the vain and greedy succeed and the guilty skirt justice?

>«But would you kindly ponder this question: What would your good do if
evil didn't exist, and what would the earth look like if all the shadows
disappeared?
After all, shadows are cast by things and people. Here is the shadow of my sword. But shadows also come from trees and living beings.
Do you want to strip the earth of all trees and living things just because
of your fantasy of enjoying naked light? You're stupid.»

>>14251554
Ahhhh yes, genius formatting.

>>14248958
this. also check Bloom for insightful thoughts (not all but some) on God appearing and therefor usually being absent.

Jesus implied that life was actually a choice we made at some point beforehand in the Bible.

>If you will take of the waters of life

So basically life is your only chance of getting out of hell. You took the chance (and failed lol)

Oh and it also says God made the entire universe for his own entertainment and we all love a good fire before you start blaspheming again

While I'm at it remember the part where Abraham is nursing Lazarus in Heaven and the old man that used to pass him up asks for water, because he was in torments?

Jesus was one of the few beings that has been human and had any kind of experience with Heaven, he mentioned the fountain of water (knowledge) and that he was bread (scripture) because people in hell won't shut up about being hungry or thirsty, ever

>>14251446
God didn't tell anyone anything. Everything in the Bible says is written by ethically bankrupt cunts that wanted to ensure their power and control over society or their useless followers trying get some dirty crumbs that fell off of their masters' tables. Prove that god talked to anyone. You can't.

>>14251635
I can

>>14251635
God doesn't speak through the Bible, you cretinous mong.

>>14251687
Wow dude, that wAS COOL

>>14251687
The entire Bible is directly Christ's gospel or inspired by christ (prophets participating in/interpretating truth).

>>14251687
Here I thought the Bible was the inerrant LITERAL word of GOD. You might want to check yourself for heretical beliefs anon.

Goodnight guys thanks, you are all going to hell

>>14251730
>The entire Bible is directly Christ's gospel or inspired by christ (prophets participating in/interpretating truth).
Christ came to Earth to found a Church, not to write a book.

His words are instructional, but incidental.

In any case, you can plainly read God's message by just examining his creation. It's not rocket science or mysticism, unless you're directly involved in some sort of sin rationalizing ideology.

>>14251749
Its ironic that you use the words mysticism and rationalizing.
Could you even consider that your particular perspective might be wrong? What would (if anything) change your mind? Or are you so well indoctrinated that you cannot even consider it?

Evil doesn't exist in Christianity because God can't have opposites if he's omnipotent, the universe was created separate from God and in his design, so man with free will can decide not to conform to this design, if his was a tyrant he would deny all freedom to man and make him work autonomously to his Will, but because God is good and loves the world he permits complete freedom, Christ in his humanity also steps into the world and is subject to it's evil nature but does this willingly, God intends to raise man up to the equality of relation seen in the trinity but man rejects this, God forgives all of man's sins because he is good.

>>14251730
It was all written down long after Christ passed. They could have recorded it incorrectly or misremembered or even shoehorned their own embellishments in.

>>14251759
>Could you even consider that your particular perspective might be wrong?
I could, but that would mean abandoning all logic and common sense to the wind.

> What would (if anything) change your mind?
Maybe a hammer to the head, or something equally damaging to my ability to think logically.

>>14251765
That is hilarious. Have you considered becoming a comedian? You talk of abandoning logic yet cannot even conceive to be wrong because you are a slave to that blind fancy you call faith. I might be wrong. In any case don't let me dissuade you from your "knowledge".