/lit/ - Literature

>>14303041
Stop applying modern day morals to something 200 years ago

>>14303047

He's not, he's pointing out the hypocrisy that Marxists do exactly that, ALL. THE. TIME.

>>14303041
wtf I love Karl Marx now???

>>14303050
Marxists or radical liberals?

>>14303069

Birds are not necessarily seagulls but seagulls are birds.

>>14303072
No, they're actually two very different things

>>14303077

No seagulls are in fact birds.

>>14303072
Are you trying to find dyed-in-the-wool tumblrina liberals on fucking 4chan of all places?

>>14303082
I'm talking about the analogy, smart one

>>14303087
Idiot.

>>14303099
But he's right, liberals are center-right. Leftists vehemently hate liberalism, it's the very system they're railing against. If you had a high-school level understanding of politics you'd know this.

This was the eurocentric "scientific" consensus at the time and does not inform his work in any way. Imagine dismissing Plato because he did not understand the mechanics of gravity.

Yawn. This is a variant of the same old right wing strawman that Marxists do not acknowledge differences between the personal ability of people or races to an extent.

>Slavery is an economic category like any other … Needless to say we are dealing only with direct slavery, with Negro slavery in Surinam, in Brazil, in the Southern States of North America. Direct slavery is just as much the pivot of bourgeois industry as machinery, credits, etc. Without slavery you have no cotton; without cotton you have no modern industry. It is slavery that gave the colonies their value; it is the colonies that created world trade, and it is world trade that is the precondition of large-scale industry. Thus slavery is an economic category of the greatest importance.

>>14303041
>Called 'The Moor' due to his dark complexion
>Extremely lazy
>Borrowed often from friends and family, rarely paid them back
>Birthed a bastard kid with his maid, denied paternity
Who's the real Jew-Nigger?

>>14303041
Why are all wingnuts firm believers in the world being flat?

>>14303069
radical liberals basically want gay space communism

>>14303103
Liberals are center right of what?

>>14303041
What's the other epic putdown Marx did of another guy? I've completely forgotten who it was but it was pretty funny to be fair.

>>14303041
>>14303251
>hated niggers
>was a nigger

Holy cr*p. Marx was a fucking based. He's got my vote!

>>14303260
Tankies

>>14303041
Basically, modern day "marxism" has almost nothing to do with the thought of Marx. Once he uttered whatever the fuck it was he actually thought, he completely loses control over how people interpret and adapt his writings. Especially since he's dead: someone who's dead can't tell you, that you're interpreting it all wrong.

>>14303416
So liberals are still left of center, which would be libertarians. Got it.

>>14303041
How come everyone ignores his rantings on race but any other author/philosopher that says the same thing is immediately labeled as evil along with anything he says?

>>14303459
They either haven’t read Marx or dismiss it as one of his “few” errors.

>>14303489
Do you think an "error" like this should be enough to discredit a person?

>>14303498
His comments on race aren’t an error, though. I’m just saying that what his followers usually do.

>>14303510
Oh no, I'm not talking about that Karl. I meant in general for any philosopher. Not specifically on race either, just anything that could be considered an "error".

>>14303516
Eh, depends. I think it’s autistic if you can’t accept where a philosopher speaks the truth yet also concede that they make egregious errors as well. It’s like talking to a stupid person - there’s always an something to learn, you’ve just got to be smart enough to pick it out. Problem is though, people are sophists. It’s best to just not be attached to anyone and just seek the logos.

>>14303459
The others are dismissed because the rest isn't of use to them, for Marx it's ignored because the rest is useful to them.

>>14303527
Well put, my friend. I think the same thing. I believe the saying "A broken clock is right twice a day" is applicable when it comes to "errors" that people point out in philosophers. However, I don't think any true philosopher would want to be worshiped. I think they would rather you build upon what they have observed.

>>14303041
What the fuck I love Marx now

What a wonder that the man baby who got spoon fed by his daddies money and then later on by his friends daddy factory money would be a great source for economic and moral truths among the bourgeois academics

>>14303050
You are projecting. You are projecting the fact that you cannot admit the fact that Marx was based.
Marx's being racist doesn't makes us Marx's reader ashamed, on the contrary, it's more proof that he was based.
About SJW, i don't talk about them, because it's obvious that they haven't read more Marx than the far right.

>>14303251
>Marx
>Extremely lazy
What are you even doing on /lit? You didn't even check Marx's wikipedia page before posting.

>>14303041
Fucking BASED.

t. commie

Marx is such a joke. How anyone can take his retardation serious is beyond me

It's weird how no one in publishing seems to care about the privacy of the dead. Old letters, diaries, etc. are published posthumously that were never intended to be public. At least password-protected email accounts and private messages on social media may be safe. Imagine every cringey thing you've ever said being public knowledge.

They should just rename this board to /ideology/ since that's all you stupid faggots seem to talk about.

>>14303656
>NOOOOO!!! YOU CANT JUST STUDY THINGS SYSTEMATICALLY!!!
>NO! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! YOU CANT OBSERVE AND ANALYZE EXISTING EDUCATIONAL AND UNIVERSITY MECHANICS SCIENTIFICALLY, BECAUSE YOU GOT MONEY FROM ONE!!!!
>WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?! I DONT LIKE IT!!!! Y-YOU GOTTA BE WRONG AND A LIAR!!!!

>>14303041
He just didn't have enough experience with diversity, so it's acceptable.
If he knew about Kanye West or Obama he wouldn't be a racist anymore.

>>14304196

>>14303072
dude liberals have more in common with fascists than they do with leftists. they're nowhere near the same thing

>>14303041
this thread sucks. i'll do everyone a favor and just /thread with this post by saying: pretty much every intellectual back then was racist, and every tradition that extends that far back has racist founding fathers (john locke and thomas jefferson come to mind for liberalism)

>>14303041
They don't have a problem with racism, they have an advantage in namecalling. Think of them as an amoral, machiavellian class of people.

>>14303985
he has a big procrastination problem to be fair. but i don't blame him considering what his health was like

>>14304281
*had

>>14304176
Published letters are literature.

>>14303260
The political spectrum. Economically the difference between neoliberal and neocon is nonexistent. Do you genuinely think American political parties actually disagree in a major way on economic theory?

>>14303962
I wish commiebros were as based as you.

But leftists do?
Fred Hampton and Stuart Hall wrote about it.

>>14303072
>>14303050

>>14303103
How much more "No true Scotsman" can you get?

>>14304408
Do you think pointing a finger and saying "fallacy" makes something wrong? Liberals are not leftists.

>>14304491
>Liberals are not leftists.
Do you honestly think anyone other than 8pol pedos believe in this?

>>14304522
Most people being illiterate retards doesn't fundamentally change reality.

>>14304259
thats a quote from fucking ben shapiro fag

>>14304522
>there are people on /lit/ right now that don't even understand a basic political philosophy

>>14304571
>>14304603

>>14303416
>liberals are right of liberals

>>14303047
I almost took that bait. damn I m getting tired.

desu the only thing preventing me from joining the left is that they idolize fags and darkies. And nazbol is a meme so I'm not falling for that.

>>14303041
Marx wrote the greatest shitpost of all time.

Because leftists are weak, both mentally and physically

>>14305494
Strasserism is the (mostly) non-meme version of Nazbol and upon looking farther into it is the ideology I most consistently agree with.
Unfortunately, that makes, like, four of us.

>>14303041
Marx's personal prejudices have nothing to do with the larger picture

>>14304522
The people who get called "liberals" usually support democrats who aren't left wing

>>14305728
Strasserism is just Stalinism with more anti-semitism

>>14305846
I don't hate jews, I just don't like fags and darkies. I just want socialism + marginalizing faggots and not giving a shit about muds. Which used to be mainstream communism, I know.

>>14303041
Marx was a capitalist fascist. Don't bother changing my mind.

>>14304522
>Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support:
>limited government,
>individual rights (including civil rights and human rights),
>CAPITALISM (free markets [sic]),
>democracy,
>secularism,
>gender equality,
>racial equality,
>internationalism,
>freedom of speech,
>freedom of the press
>and freedom of religion.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]

>>14303083
lgbt

>>14305839
>the libertarians are further left than the Dems
shiggy diggy

>>14303041
>Implying leftists actually read his work rather than summaries from professors

>>14304283
>He doesn't know

This whole Jewish world, comprising a single exploiting sect, a kind of blood sucking people, a kind of organic destructive collective parasite, going beyond not only the frontiers of states, but of political opinion, this world is now, at least for the most part, at the disposal of Marx on the one hand, and of Rothschild on the other... This may seem strange. What can there be in common between socialism and a leading bank? The point is that authoritarian socialism, Marxist communism, demands a strong centralisation of the state. And where there is centralisation of the state, there must necessarily be a central bank, and where such a bank exists, the parasitic Jewish nation, speculating with the Labour of the people, will be found.

>>14303047
Ironic Marxist’s will apply modern day morals to other people from 200 years ago.
>America bad racist founders built using slavery
And etc etc

>>14305839
...How would you fit monarchism and fascism into this chart. All the stuff you've put in authoritarian right is barely authoritarian at all

>>14307341
I think every candidate there, Republican or Democrat, supports fully militarized police driving through suburban neighborhoods in armored vehicles. Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, and Mike Gravel would probably be the only ones to object to that. Barack Obama murdered thousands of civilians continents away from his own people, which even most monarchs would flinch at.

>>14307399
But they're all republican politicians. None of them are arguing for instating a king or even a dictator

>>14303041
>borrow money but showed contempt for them. In a derogatory fashion he referred to the father and son as “Jew Hamburger”

LMAOOOOOOOO

>>14303041
I think I like Marx more than I ever have