/lit/ - Literature

spengler wrote some books on technology.

Idk about arguments against him, but maybe check out accelerationists and cyberpunk writers like Mark Fisher and Nick Land

>>14345538
The polar opposite of his philosophy would be transhumanism. I'd look there.

>>14345538
heidegger. read heidegger. heidegger is exactly what you need. don't read any other posts - read heidegger

>>14345538
Read his collected writings: Technological Slavery: The Collected Writings of Theodore J. Kaczynski, a.k.a. "The Unabomber"

Afterwards read:The Technological Society - Ellul

>>14345538
He said he had to kill people for them to hear his message but dude is basically just afraid of "Brave New World." Happening. I read his manifesto, I think some things he said was just him projecting his own behavior into the populace, some of it was insightful.

Also what's so bad about humanity just being a bootstrap for some computer God. We are shifty and without purpose anyway.

>>14346446
we are projecting our thoughts on the creation of tech. If we continue this behavior, that god might just be malevolent

ISAIF ruined notes from the underground for me. Its basically the same thing

>>14346403
>transhumanism

>>14345538
Reading Ellul is what made kaczynski go mad.

>>14345538
Jason Silva

>>14346623
I'm not disagreeing, I'm simply pointing out what would be the diametric opposite to Kaczynski's radical form of primitivism. Both ideologies are relatively zealous in their approach towards technology.

>>14346665
Really? He doesn’t seem to think highly of Ellul in ‘Anti-Tech Revolution’

>>14346408
I haven't really read Heidegger but I dont see how he refutes Kaczynski. In fact, isnt he in agreement in the sense that his whole philosophy is geared towards developing a better understanding/relationship with Being? They both advocate for some movement towards authenticity and both argue against the aimless progression of technology.

>>14346768
Ted isn't anprim, he wrote a critique of anprims

>>14345538
>are there any counter books to the argument made
No, the hardcore techies of today like Land and Negarestani hailed TK as the most important voice of our times. When it comes to the technological question, most 'intellectuals' aren't willing (lack the courage) to tackle the problematic in its entirety, so they just produce unfinished ideas about tech. Fortunately for us, TK gives an explanation as to why these people adopt this weak half-assed position. I was reading Snowden's new book a few weeks ago, and he comes close to making TKs predictions about technology, in fact he comes so close that the only difference in thought is that he's contempt to name the problem but lacks the courage to offer a solution. This is why TK is the most important voice of our times, he's done both.

Anti-tech revolution opens up with a few paragraphs talking about why the anti-tech literature is a dead end, and why all these authors are useless (including Ellul) He offers a psychological explanation. If you want to expand on this topic read Anti-Tech revolution.

>>14347068
his book is trash and countered by reality. only losers and retards like his crap because they've got low intelligence and unfulfilled lives so they project their misery, retardation, and failures on everybody else.

>>14345538
Pentii Linkola, Can Life Prevail?

He is an ecofascist. Very interesting guy and the solutions are radical but you will enjoy him if you can stomach him.

>>14347068
Why does everybody keep looking for a solution? What if there isn't one?

one good counter-argument is that the sun will inevitably die, and earth will become virtually uninhabitable long before then anyway. i don't want humanity to go extinct, stuck on this dying rock, in fuckin trad-eco hut communes. our destiny is in the stars. i go the way of the overman.

>>14347293
these kind of people always have their own homegrown custom schizophrenic version of christianity. it only makes sense in their head and they never explain because even they know how stupid they seem.

it's just them being failures at life and projecting it on everybody else.

>>14346665
Regarding Kaczynski's history i would say this man was pretty mad to begin with. People normally don't have his mental capabilities without deviations from the norm.

>>14346773
what does he say about ellul?

>>14347293
We were meant to live and die on Earth. Anything else is cope. We're going to run out of oil and other crucial industrial resources long before any space shit happens, if it's even possible. Stop trying to escape the grasp of death.

>>14347293
the happiest time of my life was living in a bamboo hut in the Caribbean
Now I am "rich" living in suburbia and I contemplate either going back or killing myself daily
Your priorities are backwards, but you're probably 16 anyway

>>14347025
What did he say about them?

>>14345538
He's literally just trying to recruit you to do bombings since he cant anymore, that is the entire point of the book.

>>14345538
Ted was a brilliant mathematician and was far smarter than I'll ever be, but maybe raw intelligence doesn't translate over to social theory and how societies have worked in the past and work now.

He makes very absurd claims, with no evidence to back them up. For example, at one point he makes this statement.

"Many primitive peoples, when they don’t have work to do, are quite
content to sit for hours at a time doing nothing at all, because they are at peace with themselves and their world"

No they're not, Ted.

>>14348732
go to anarchist library and search a critique of primitivism

>>14348766
Will do, thanks

>>14345538
>>14345668
>>14346408
>>14346423
>>14347068
Reminder to ignore all pseudointellectual rhetoriticians and instead go and read the complete works of Homer, Pindar, Plato, Aristotle, Sophocles, Euripedes, Hesiod, Aristophones, Herodotus, Sappho, Plutarch, Ovid, Virgil, Lucretius, Arisoto, Horace, St. Augustine, Marcus Aurelius, Rabelais, Dante, Petrarch, Boccaccio, Leopardi, Machiavelli, Luther, Cervantes, Chaucer, the Beowulf poet, Chretien de Troyes, Marie de France, Sterne, Burton, Browne, Wyatt, Sidney, Percy Shelley, Tennyson, Donne, Pope, Dryden, Bacon, Novalis, Schelling, Schlegel, Hegel, Pascal, Lichtenberg, Dickinson, Shakespeare, Ibsen, Dickens, Marlowe, Diderot, Jonson, Goethe, Bunyan, Gibbon, Addison, Smollett, Milton, Johnson, Boswell, Emerson, Quincey, Burke, Spinoza, Leibniz, Hume, Kant, Mary Shelley, Wollstonecraft, Racine, Baudelaire, Valery, Rimbaud, Verlaine, Moliere, Montaigne, Browning, Gray, Holderlin, Schiller, Shaw, Voltaire, Hugo, Balzac, Zola, Colette, Duras, Dumas, Stendhal, Nerval, Flaubert, Mallarme, Malraux, Chateaubriand, Artaud, Poe, Wordsworth, Coleridge, Blake, Byron, Keats, Arnold, Pater, Walter Scott, Swinburne, Rossetti, Carroll, William James, Henry James, Hawthorne, Twain, Melville, Dewey, Bergson, Whitehead, George Eliot, Williams, Frost, Cummings, Crane, Stevens, Whitman, Plath, Trakl, Rilke, Celan, Montale, Neruda, Lorca, Tagore, Manzoni, Peake, Murdoch, Wharton, Wilde, Updike, Faulkner, O'Connor, Passos, Nietzsche, Marx, Adorno, Bloch, Lukacs, Bakhtin, Hamsun, Pushkin, Gogol, Tolstoy, Turgenev, Chekhov, Andreyev, Bely, Bulgakov, Gonchorov, Camoes, Pessoa, Queiroz, Saramago, Paz, Borges, Bloy, Pirandello, Huysmans, Lautreamont, Schwob, Casares, Bolano, Cortazar, Lima, Donoso, de Assis, Carpentjier, Celine, Marquez, Unamuno, Gracq, Gide, Jarry, Camus, Conrad, Wells, Hardy, Salinger, Lawrence, Forster, Hrabal, Swift, Bronte, Woolf, Bachelard, Roussel, Beckett, Proust, Nabokov, Joyce, O'Brien, Yeats, Waugh, Heaney, Auden, Hofmannsthal, Mann, Musil, Broch, Zweig, Bachmann, Jelinek, Lessing, Laxness, Simenon,Svevo, Levi, Buzzati, Quasimodo, Llosa, Walser, Kafka, Babel, Schulz, Transtromer, Kertesz, Pavic, Andric, Grossmann,Sillanpää, Linna, Mahfouz, Boll, Grass, Canetti, Pavese, Robbe-Grillet, Blanchot, Perec, Queneau, Calvino, Bernhard, Gass, Barth, Gaddis, Vollmann, Vidal, Hawkes, DeLillo, Pynchon, McCarthy, McElroy, Soseki, Murasaki, Shonagon, Kawabata, Mishima, Akutagawa, Tanizaki, Dazai, Oe, Xingjian, Yan, Kosztolanyi, Gombrowicz, Ishiguro, Eco, Coetzee, Auerbach, Benjamin, Barthes, Pasternak, Derrida, Deleuze, Bateson, Foucault, Lyotard, Mcluhan, Eichenbaum, Steiner, Munro, Carson, Handke, Theroux, Patrick White, Alfau, Marias, Enard, Claude Simon, Elizabeth Bishop, Markson, Lowry, Bellow, Dara

>>14346549
That's true to an extent. The thing itself won't be malevolent. We will just perceive it that way.

>>14348792
based retard

>>14348792
I guarantee you I've read more on this list than you ever will. Oh, and TK was right about everything.

>>14349359
>Ted fanboy
You haven't read shit. Otherwise you wouldn't fanboy someone with no discernible talent.

>>14346403
Technocapitalism you mean. Dude's a commie and needs to be understood as such.

>>14349380
Hahahahahaha, you fucking pseud. You are clinging to academia-approved intellectuals to make up for your prole upbringing, your lack of intelligence. You started reading in high school my man. You will never make it. That is, among relevant circles, not in your community college literary coterie.

as for consolation; I have never heard any of you defend your opinions IRL. Whenever I'm around you shut it tight. Funny how that works out, right? The homosexual dumb prole too frail, too limp-wristed to ever own up to his ideals of intellectuality telling the big dick TK fanboy that he hasn't read shit. I was reading the canon before my age turned two digits kek.

I'll reiterate: I guarantee you I have read more on this list than you ever will. Oh, and TK is right about everything.

>>14349411
>muh commies
ok boomer

>>14345538
do an ecofascist reading of accelerationist literature combined with the usual ellul, linkola, etc.

>>14349482
fascism implies a government, which is nothing more than a technological apparatus. Discarded.

>linkola
idealist drivel. discarded.

>>14349461
>Slav that despises money and what it stands for
>not a commie

>>14349455
>You started reading in high school my man.
what's wrong with that now?

>>14349536
Name one author or intellectual who started reading after they turned 10. If you weren't reading diligently the moment you were able to, you lack curiosity, you lack the drive that pushes every genius or intelligent child to prosper, to actualize who they are. That's fact. Nothing wrong with starting late, just know that those with natural inclinations for literature, and intellectuality in general have had their life and interests determined by their drives from a very young age. Whatever is picked up after adolescence is not fundamental to your Being.

>>14349617
What did you read during your adolescence?
Is one who diligently read contemporary novels in the same realm of understanding as those who read philosophical theorem of centuries past?
Much of the "intelligent youth" of today are alienated from the (american) school system, as well as their own social groups. They isolate themselves and form a world of their own. Instead of surrounding themselves with books they surround themselves mainly with television and videogames and the internet which work the same wonders on the mind as any addictive substance and it can further drive their alienation.

You are left with otherwise intelligent (intelligence meaning high critical thinking skills) people who have probably not touched many books during their most critical point of development.

So, would this intelligent person who possesses critical thinking skills begin to read at a later age be at a disadvantage? Undoubtedly. But would it be impossible to catch up? Who is to say.
Reading for understanding is a skill. It can be learned, and some will learn and become better readers than others.
Difficult? Yes. Impossible? I don't think so.

>>14345538
I've only read his section about leftists, but it is the most accurate description I have ever read.

>>14346446
>He said he had to kill people for them to hear his message

This is so typical of mass murderers.

>>14349833
Good post

>>14349833
pseud post of the highest order

>>14346623
Tell me why humanity should be preserved.

>>14350352
>>14350354
which one is it?

>>14350414
Neither

>>14347293
nah, I hate 40K for what it's done to people like this. you got families that have a hard time adjusting moving to a different state, you think we're gonna transplant human civilization to the light of a different star? and not be changed irrevocably in the process? maim and destroy pristine ecosystems billions of years old like locusts? toss planets into trash like chicken bones when we're done with them? kill yourself

>>14349455
Straight outta 1984

>>14348745
Yes they do.

>>14348745
They are if we're talking about commie Slavshits like him.

>>14348712
>>14351322

and while you and your kin remain eternally enslaved by predeterminism and inferiority complex, the rest of us will become as gods and angels.
the only thing worse than your breed of nihilism is that you're so compelled to spread it, and virulently chop down anyone that rises above it. take your nihilism to its logical conclusion and kill yourselves already.