/lit/ - Literature

>>14391909
This is the canon chart in my mind.

>>14391909
I still don't see Boccaccio and Petrarch

>cleaned up the charts
>two women and only TEN nonwhites
????

Why did you take out Harry Potter retard? The whole point was it was one of the highlights of 2019 with Rowling triggering 3/4 of her fanbase.

Yeah this is fucking retarded cope. You literally just removed books that hurt your feelings and added ones that you like.

>>14391909
Fuck off retard

>>14391952
We always filter out the troll picks, newfag. This year the op was retarded. Are you the underage child that voted for Hitler?

We can still see where you edited it. Wow, you're such an imbecile.
>WAAAAH HARRY POTTER, UNABOMBER, TALEB, HITLER, AND GWEENON HURT MY FEEFEES

>>14391954
Did you vote for Hitler as well? You fuck off. The troll picks have always been filtered.

>>14391967
You can't even define troll picks you fucking retard. People voted for them, and you have to keep them. Mein Kampf, Harry Potter, Antifragile, Industrial Society and Its future, and Reign of the Quantity are all real books, that real people voted for. You can't remove them because you have a sore ass. Are you fucking tranny by any chance?

>>14391978
All not literature or philosophy. A standard has always been kept when making these charts and I am following it.

>>14391909
b&r

>>14391978
>>14391968
>>14391954

t.newfag

>>14391992
Harry Potter isn't literature? Mein Kampf, a very important historical primary source, isn't literature? Kaczynski isn't philosophy? Antifragile isn't literature?

You're a literal moron. You can't justify it; you're just following the irrational ass pain you feel. Go dilate, Marxist tranny fucker (I noticed you didn't remove Capital).

Anyone and mad about this is the type of person that is ruining this board. Thanks op.

>>14391909
Why is Das Kapital still there?

>>14392029
Because OP is an ass blasted tranny

>>14392010
No they arent. Not literature as an art form no. And no those works don't have philosophical rigor. Notice that I still kept Decline of the West on here. I don't like it but I recognize it has philosophical rigor.

>>14392022
This

>>14392050
>And no those works don't have philosophical rigor.
Take that up with the people who voted it, fucking imbecile. Your retarded opinion doesn't matter.
Antifragile is literally an author's magnum opus and it introduces plenty of new concepts.
You're removing books you have not even read. Fuck off with your halfwit opinions.

based for Huysmans. fuck the newfags

>>14392071
It's a pop book lmao

Anon it's too late. We already embarrassed ourselves on reddit...

>>14392080
Then remove the Bible and Moby Dick too if they're too popular.

>>14392050
You really are a dumb dilating faggot. Removing Kaczynski made it too obvious. The list is a reflection of the current boards tastes, not a reflection of your pathetic self esteem.

Luckily your list will be irrelevant and forgotten. It is a mirror of you.

Again I don’t really agree with this. You are on the board that voted infinite jest the best book ever written once. These lists have never been about objective taste but evolving board culture, memes included. You can’t represent 2019 /lit/ accurately without shit like guenon on there. Again it seems a little snobbish and insecure, revising history to keep up some appearance nobody cares about on 4chan of all places. This website is all about every voice mattering in an anarchistic, ever evolving shitshow. If you want to impose rules, do so next year or start a new vote, but don’t censor legitimate results with your singular opinion.

>>14392010
Harry Potter is genre trash. Meme Kampf is not literature nor philosophy.

>>14392097
The chart OP made is a reflection of his personal opinions, not the boards opinions.

>>14392094
Those works are literary
>>14392097
They are a reflection of /pol/'s taste not /lit/'s and they have always been filtered in the past.

>>14392116
>Those works are literary
Define literary — you can't because the chart you made reflects your feefees.

I wish it was like this

>>14392116
>They are a reflection of /pol/'s taste not /lit/'s
This.

>>14392104
I cant believe how seriously people are taking this. Obviously the Harry Potter and Mein Kampf picks are jokes. The Unabomber though is not a joke, there have genuinely been a lot of threads about him where people talk at length about his books. It's not /pol/ either, if anything it seems most anarchist types.

>>14392104
Did DFW steal the Rings plot device

Reposting from other thread

>Reddit is a circlejerk echo chamber governed by mob rule, you will have outsider choices downvoted out of visibility there. 4chan is a place where every post carries the same weight, where we are anonymous so our posturing isn’t to accrue fame or upvotes, or to keep up an appearance as our post history can be checked. The fact that stupid books get traction here is good, because 4chan provides an environment where these things can actually be discussed. It’s a wrong move to go against this

The real list represents this spirit, this list goes against it

>>14392133
>EVERY BOOK I DON'T LIKE IS /POL/

>>14392135
This is what I mean, ok hitler is dumb, but guenon and ted have had threads upon threads of serious discussion despite the autism. It’s unfair to remove them

>>14392139
OP is probably an ass hurt Redditor who came here after the chart was posted on /r/literature

>>14392139
>politicizing a meme book list
You fags are something else lol

>>14392141
No, every book that shills reactionary retard ideology is /pol/

>>14392155
Not politics, board culture

>>14392155
Half the books on the chart could be considered political, moron

>>14391909
Wait, Whitehead but no Guenon? Wtf?

>>14392160
Go back to /leftypol/, you faggot. No wonder you're fine with Capital and Whitehead, but not Kaczynski, Taleb, Hitler and Guénon because they're right wing. The editing of the chart was political itself because lefty OP was asshurt at a few books.

>>14391909
>leaves the Qu'ran
HmmMKAY RETARD¡

how do i read moby dick if i'm not a native english speaker? i tried to but dozed off after the cetology chapter

>>14392178
Whitehead does philosophy in the same vein as Kant, Hegel, and Nietzsche.

>>14392181
The Qu'ran is literary

>>14392182
learn english better or read a translation. don't know what else you expect.

>>14392183
Only approved philosophers:tm: are allowed?

>>14392183
Whitehead is irrelevant outside the anglo world.

>>14392182
You were plebfiltered and thats a good thing.

>>14392010
No and nobody discusses any of these works on /lit/ except Teddy K

>>14392181
What's wrong with the Quran?

>>14392195
He's irrelevant in the anglosphere aswell

>>14392205
Nice to know, thanks.

>People mad that we have standards on this board

>>14392203
If you make baseless assumptions about the amount of discussion a certain author or book has you can justify removing them from the chart.
Nice thinking retard.

>>14392212
Except we don’t, because the actual vote is the real representation

>>14392205
Not really no. His philosophy has more to do with the continental tradition than the analytic.

>>14392212
Your leftist standards:tm: ?
If you want downboats, upboats, and mods to hold your hand, Reddit is the place for you, asshole.

>>14392221
And the actual vote has always been filtered for retards lmao. The reason why we don't talk about books like Harry Potter and Ready Player One here unironically is because we have standards.

>>14392214
They are obvious memes and have always been filtered, newfag.

>>14392190
Oh, I thought this thread was about cleaning up the cart off trash.
>>14392204
It's trash.

>>14392235
Except when you censor the results to take away books that HAVE been discussed all year, ted and guenon for example

>>14391909
Capital, Against nature and Arcades project are interesting additions to this years list. Most of the other stuff is somewhat predictable but that's okay.

>>14392242
Against Nature was there last year

>>14392242
Capital was also in last years list. It's not an addition.

>>14392235
The only "standards" /lit/ has is contrarianism. Why do you think we discuss obscure philosophers and mystics, and shit on popular books all the time?

Hitler and Harry Potter are the only ones worth filtering. There's legitimate discussions on Ted and Guenon.

>>14392241
They're fucking Redditors who love censorship.

>>14392252
We like popular books, though. Just not shit like Percy Jackson or Ready Player One.

>>14392254
That's not the point, you actual retard.

>>14392261
newfag

>>14392254
>Guenon.
Even if there was any, the faggot posting him so much makes it hard to take Guénon seriously.

>>14392252
mysticism is just intrinsically based

>>14392273
Not an argument or a reason to censor him.

>>14392272
Not quite.

>>14392280
we are on fucking 4chan. We can censor the Bible if we want. You take this too seriously. But the constant meme'ing is too cringe and unfunny,

>>14392295
Retard
>>/lit/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=Ready+player+one

>>14392240
So? It has great historical significance like the Bible.

>>14392296
>we are on 4chan
EXACTLY. So stop bringing concepts from reddit to 4chan, such as censorship of books that hurt your feefees and spooks such as standards.

>>14392307
shitting on it =/= liking it

>>14392322
>GAARHRGGRH NOOOOOOO CRITICIZING A BOOK ISN'T DISCUSSION
>LET ME JUST MOVE THE GOAL POSTS TO LIKING

>>14392327
I said liking them. I never mentioned discussion. Learn to read, plebbitor.

>>14392333
>The reason why we don't talk about books like Harry Potter and Ready Player One here unironically is because we have standards.

>>14392337
That's not me. I'm: >>14392261

>>14392327
>we like popular books but not shit like Ready Player One
>shitting on it is not the same as liking it
where is the contradiction

The only non-fiction that should be allowed is literary non-fiction (shit like Montaigne, Burton, Browne). That would clean out all the meme votes

>>14392339
Oh, so you came from Reddit to defend your fellow redditors

>>14392350
No, you're doing a good job. I'm doing quite the opposite.

>>14392350
>basedposting in 2023
dated

>>14392318
This is not censorship. This is removing books people dislike from a chart 500 faggots made with their votes. Where #1 barely got 20% of the votes and some got in with less than 1% of the votes (5, like the coranic book).

OP is not the government's department of communications, btw. And I have reached the poit where I can't take Guénon and his followers seriously.

Take it as you want.

>>14392388
This. We have always done this shit when we made the past charts. The 2019 OP just didn't know what he was doing.

>>14391978
okay, you're definitely new.

Many of these comments has me finally convinced that old users need to be more hostile towards /pol/ shit posting. That they so readily define clamour for pulpy right wing books is really going to waterdown our recc infrastructure.

Based

>>14391978
You need to be 18 to post here

>>14391909
thanks OP

>>14391909
18 out of 100, someone have my children

>>14392522
I sincerely hope English isn’t your first language.

>>14392104
I sort of agree. Keep memelit that actually sparks conversation and throw out only clear trolls, otherwise there's no point in doing the list and it will just be a selection of an unchanging canon of maybe 200-300 books.

>>14392629
It's a neural net.

>>14392104
agreed

>>14392318
you faggots and your censorship. that term doesn't even mean anything thanks to your sub-ironic whining. having standards is not censorship. it's not censorship to choose Dostoyevsky over Hitler. no one is preventing you from talking about Mein Kampf by editing some little Internet image list. but the fact is that, on this board, people talk about Dosto a lot more than they do about Hitler, in terms of threads and in terms of depth of discussion. so insofar as the chart is a question of accurately reflecting lit's userbase, it does make sense to go through and excise all the books that only ever appear in low effort shitposts.
I mean I've never seen someone on here who I actually would believe read Mein Kampf. if freedom of speech means so much to you, why don't you find something worth saying and then post it. if you really do rate Hitler as one of your five greatest books, then actually discuss him, explain why, post about him in a meaningful way. or not, you can just shitpost if that's what gets you off, but then don't get all autistic when people call you out for it.

Next year is going to be interesting. I definitely won't be running it again, but I hope the person who does doesn't filter out meme picks. As >>14392104 said, this was never supposed to be a reasonable attempt at creating a list of the 100 greatest books of all time. It's supposed to be a reflection of board culture, and shitposting and dumbass meme books are underrepresented if anything when viewed in that context.

>>14392696
Next year I will be making the list and this >>14392347 will be the policy. And yes I will filter the trolls.

Ironic how literal fascists are crying about "censorship." Lmao.

>>14392689

Based, actually.

>>14392696
>I definitely won't be running it again
Please don't you fucking retard

Bump

Bump

>>14392182
first off dont read in bed

>>14392745
Retard

>Bolaño was a deep admirer of Borges
>just behind him in -Spanish literature- /lit/'s top 100

What a goat

>>14392707
no I wanted to do it

>>14391909
>people are actually arguing that harry potter and mein kampf should be on a top 100 books list

>>14394704
Yea this place is a joke. Highly considering posting on r/literature it didn't look that bad.

Bump

>>14394704
well they were voted for. Im 95% sure it was a joke in both cases but who really gives a shit if there are a couple meme entries

>>14396105
Troll entries are usually voted for and they usually get filtered

>>14396105
Rowling, Ted, Evola, etc have always been filtered.

God damn it, I was too burned out with work to vote this year, and once again Ishiguro's masterpiece "The Unconsoled" was left off. Maybe next year.

>>14396403
I will vote for it next year too anon

>>14394714
I need to be able to call out people on their retard opinions and not have to step on eggshells so I don't hurt their feelings.

bump, thanks OP

>>14391909
This is the canon chart.

>>14391909
Can someone replace the one on the /lit/ wiki with this one?

>>14391909

This is still the chart, sorry.

>>14391909
>claims to have removed all the meme books
>leaves Process and Reality on the list
OP is a Whiteheadian and a fag.

>>14397946
The meme books were removed. Whitehead is a serious philosopher.

>>14392485
>we should remove guenon because he is a meme
>our tradition is removing memes

>>14397964
So is Ted

>>14391909
waah waah why cant this board just stay a pynchon/joyce/Wallace circlejerk forever!

>>14398014
"Wah wah techmology and lefties bad we need to go back!"
Oh yeah very serious. Like seriously Ted in undergrad tier. Read Paul Virilio instead.

>>14391909
it gets worse every year

>>14397964
He may be serious, but he's still a meme.

>>14391909
>t. insecure faggot who cant take redditors banter