/lit/ - Literature

>>14411082
Nobody pre-1990s was an "incel".

>>14411087
he orbited a slut, who was known for cucking her husbands, and kept getting denied. later in his life, out of sexual frustration, had sex with a prostitute, and he felt depressed afterwards lol

You're just not smart enough to understand what he has to say. You should try reddit instead, it's probably more your speed.

>>14411432
Reddit worships Nietzsche, they're just the kind of unmindful pathetic midwits that Nietzsche was, and wrote for.

>>14411446
Reddit doesn't worship Nietzsche, they don't even know who he is. Cope harder, pseud

>>14411446
Nah, they only worship his anti-Christian side because it "triggers the theists." They dont know what he really is about.

>>14411082
that's all you got from it? pathetic

>>14411499
People like OP don't actually read in the sense of actually understanding something, they just mentally upvote or downvote statements in their head because they're colonized by social media mentality.

His ubermensch philosophy sounds good at first glance then you learn about his life. He was a sickly, depressed cuck (literally). He never had a family of his own. He was never a great leader or anything of the sort. It’s basically like Elliot Rodgers calling himself the supreme gentleman.

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>>14411511
>You're just not smart enough to understand what he has to say.
wow brah, he is so deep.

he really isn't very deep, and his ideas are pretty clear to understand from just my initial readings; he is just lame for the most part.

>>14411558
>His ubermensch philosophy sounds good at first glance then you learn about his life
because as evola said, he had no foundation from which is stood upon. in the genealogy of morals, he even says that he didn't look deeply into hinduism, which is a shame, as the bhagavad gita would have helped him realize the purpose of aestheticism. instead, he creates a made up mythology for how aestheticism and religions formed (which don't get me wrong, are probably true for abrahamic religions, but not for all religions.)

>>14411558
That just goes to show that his ubermensch philosophy has nothing to do with being a "Chad", which you'd have immediately understood if you weren't fucking retarded.

So many pseuds on this board like to pretend they've "caught" authors in obvious hypocrises. Any philosopher that's at all well regarded has obviously thought about his work more than YOU have in a cursory reading. Maybe do them the diligence of assuming they know what the fuck they're talking about A LITTLE, instead of just spewing garbage out of your mouths any time your little hate-chub makes you feel like a big boy for catching the big bad philosopher with his pants down

>>14411560
No one can understand what Nietzsche wrote on an "initial reading", that's the point of the aphoristic style. Lazy pseuds like you are a plague on this board.

>>14411627
If he knew what he was talking about then why couldn’t he incorporate into his own life? Sure he talked the talk but he couldn’t walk the walk. Would you take exercise advice from a fat fuck? Or sex/dating advice from an incel?

>>14411641
wow brah, it's so hard to understand that he viewed the creator as one who creates values, as opposed to succumbing to existing values; and succumbing to morals is stagnation. it's really not that hard.

>>14411082
>It is lust only, Arjuna, which is born of contact with the material modes of passion and later transformed into wrath, and which is the all-devouring, sinful enemy of this world.
when you look into the abyss it looks back+will to power directly leads to killing your god and changing how the world works. nietzsche explained how humans will change the laws of the universe itself. who gives a shit what arjuna is or does? if the overman doesn't allow arjuna then arjuna doesn't exist.

all sorts of naturalistic appeals to rules or what is doesn't matter when overman changes the laws of reality personally. sit down hindu boi.

>>14411681
arjuna isn't a deity and you just posted cringe

>>14411082
You have to realise that 19th century Germans didn’t completely hate life yet like the other European nations and so they allowed themselves to feel emotions deeply and powerfully. Add to that Nietzsche’s playful ironism... and voila, the gay science!

>>14411710
i didn't say arjuna is your god pajeet. i said those two things kill your god and whatever the fuck arjuna is in your imagination doesn't matter to an overman.

>>14411677
That's not his point, faggot. That's the most basic, surface-tier layer of his point. Read it again, or take your pseudery somewhere else.

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>>14411681
>change reality
where the fuck did nietzsche say anything about making up your own reality? he talked about rejecting and forming new virtues. you nietzschefags don't even know what he was talking about.

>>14411741
wow dude. your commentary is so deep. so enlighten us on what he was all about, oh wait. there is a 0% chance you will do that because you have no idea what he is about, fucking pseud.

>>14411774
A guy did try to explain it to you, and you just said "nietzsche fags have no idea what they're talking about".

There's no point in trying to explain anything to you, you're too retarded to listen.

>>14411774
>doesn't get changing your morality is literally changing reality
yikes

>>14411774
So here's what it's about, faggot:

Human beings are only able to achieve anything of value through undergoing a process of self-improvement through suffering.

The choice to suffer must be justified by some sort of end. These ends are called values.

The creation of values occurs in a variety of ways. Most of Nietzsche’s work involves describing these processes. If you haven't read Zarathustra or Beyond Good and Evil, then you've only read either the works that do this, or the later stuff about nihilism. BGE and Zarathustra are the core of his work.

We are, for various reasons, reaching a period of time in which all of our values will collapse, and no more will be able to be created. This is because we are starting to recognize that life has no ultimate basis in God.

In order to circumvent this, we need to evolve as a species, such that we no longer need ultimate justifications of our values in order to use them, and can instead make do with relative truths. This is the ubermensch.

Most of the remainder of his work involves explaining the conditions under which the ubermensch can arise.

There, that's it in a nutshell. If any part of this seems stupid to you, then you don't understand it and need to read his work again. Don't judge it unless you've read and fully comprehended most of what he says in BGE, and have at least attempted to interpret Zarathustra in this light.

>>14411082
>Albania is number one
every thought you will ever have is trash

>>14411880
>We are, for various reasons, reaching a period of time in which all of our values will collapse, and no more will be able to be created. This is because we are starting to recognize that life has no ultimate basis in God.
yeah that is the collapse of a meta-narrative, which occurs because of some inherit flaw in the original design of it, which parallels evola's work. my issues is here...

>In order to circumvent this, we need to evolve as a species, such that we no longer need ultimate justifications of our values in order to use them, and can instead make do with relative truths. This is the ubermensch.

my issue isn't the premise but the solution. the indo-european religions, after you remove their corruptions that have tainted them over the millennium, do provide the true meta-narrative, the sophia perennis. the creation of relative truths just seems to further break down the existing meta-narrative, acting as a catalyst for the "true" one to re-emerge; which is basically what post structuralism has been doing.

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>>14411816
that guy(the anime girl poster) is quite literally a nietzschefag that has no idea about what he is talking about.

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>>14412027
oh, so you're a guenon fag
That explains alot

>>14412070
>guenon fag
no, just an evola fan

>>14411082
If you don't read Nietzsche for the joy of reading you will never understand him.
You write like you just read the Cliff notes, summarizing this view or that in encyclopedia style, which only shows you understand nothing

>>14412096
cringe

>>14411654
You're trying to say he didn't achieve anything yet we're all talking about him hundreds of years after his death. Nietzsche will always be more well known and more influential than some throwaway Arnold

Nietzsche was the first person to fully embrace Darwin's implication that humans evolved from animals, and is still one of the only ones to make a philosophy out of it. Whether he was an incel or not doesn't change this, nor does it change his immense influence on the world, or the precision of so many of his criticisms of past philosophers.

Ty for defining your argument.

Wow this board has really gone downhill

>>14413205
this board is a bastion of perennial philosophy now

>>14411082
sometime I go potty and sometime I cooming

1/10 bait, at least the redditors are mad

>>14414886
anyone who takes nietzsche holistically in 2k19 is a redditor

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>>14411720
Yes, keep waiting for your overman parousia, you cuck.

>>14416621
>keep waiting for your overman parousia
that was exactly what i meant when i said that nietzschefags don't even understand him. they are supposed TO BE the change, yet they treat the overman/superman like it's the second coming or some shit -- that and the anime poster literally thinks nietzsche said you are supposed to change objective facts/reality lmao

>>14411558
You don't understand ubermensch.

"I have found strength where one does not look for it: in simple, mild, and pleasant people, without the least desire to rule—and, conversely, the desire to rule has often appeared to me a sign of inward weakness: they fear their own slave soul and shroud it in a royal cloak (in the end, they still become the slaves of their followers, their fame, etc.) The powerful natures dominate, it is a necessity, they need not lift one finger. Even if, during their lifetime, they bury themselves in a garden house!"

>>14418177
Your "ubermensch" sounds like a spook.