/lit/ - Literature

>>14432019
Lol no fuck Adam Smith fuck wh*te people they should be taxed more as reparations for POC and their allies. Full communism now.

>>14432030
is this some kind of /pol/ falseflag

Maybe for his time, but not today

>>14432030
>taxes
>communism
how does this work?

>>14432019
>It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but of their advantages
his entire system is fundamentally based on greed, a sin. fuck his gay liberal ass, i hope he's burning in hell right now.

>>14432033
Yes.

Reducing the number of diabetics is among the interests of society.

>>14432115
There's nothing avaricious about competitively pricing goods and services.

>>14432308
kike

So society must be better than ever today?

>>14432040
>Maybe for his time, but not today
That's like saying phrenology was right for it's time

Insulin is expensive because of the State enforced monopolies that patents create.
Allow companies to produce insulin and other drugs with less regulation and watch market price drop off a cliff as the market is flooded with cheap generic drugs

>>14432019
He was, but free market ain't free, sooner or later a bunch companies will consolidate their power, establish monopoly, start harassing their competitors and just lose the will to provide its customers with higher quality goods. That's why we need antitrust laws and state
https://braveneweurope.com/branko-milanovic-1%C2%BD-adam-smiths

>>14432376
Not a very good analogy because the economic structures have changed a lot while the brain has not. Phrenology was also not really a ridiculous concept, the brain does specialize in different areas, it's just pretty much unrelated to skull shapes and much more complicated.

>>14432428
>economic structures have changed a lot while the brain has not
are you sure m8

>>14432406
This actually. Usury, pay-to-play political corruption, graft, litigiousness, planned obsolescence, marketing, and other (((destructive forces))) are at fault for everything wrong with modern society. Without (((certain intrests))) controlling everything, I'd wager capitalism, fascism, and communism would be equally valid.
>b-but russia
something like 80% of bolsheviks were devotees of a certain non-russian religion. Curious, that.

>>14432308
Assuming that there’s competition in the marketplace. Which there is getting less and less of.

>>14432308
Competitive pricing is a misleading term. What actually happens between competing corporations is an unwritten teamwork. You have to remember they spy on each others prices vehemently. They could get into a bidding war for customers or they could just what they have already been doing for decades and keeping their prices close to their compeuions in a sort of mutually beneficial equilibrium.

Customers are getting over charged. The promise that free market capitlism made us, telling us cheaper products of the same quality will be available was a lie. Determinism makes mistakes like that.

>>14432434
the brain has not changed significantly in the past 100 years lol. The economy Adam Smith was describing was actually quite different than present economies.

>>14432459
Sorry. Determinism should be ratioanlism instead

>>14432019
This is not literature.

>>14432487
Are you one of the proud owners of double digit IQ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wealth_of_Nations

>>14432136
The primary users of insulin are type 1 diabetics, not type 2. Most type 2 diabetics just take their pills. The really fat ones need insulin too, though.

I got type 1 last year and I've been /fit/ my entire life. Type 2 is the landwhales, type 1 is an autoimmune disease. Some examples of other type 1 diabetics: olympic swimmer Gary Hall Jr. and NFL quarterback Jay Cutler.

>>14432308
Type 1 diabetics need to inject insulin daily or they will die quickly. You would also die within insulin; the difference is you have not had an autoimmune disease attack your pancreas and prevent it from making insulin.

Human insulin was originally patented at $1 by Frederick Banting. It is quite inexpensive to make. This is not a free marketplace, there is obvious collusion to increase the price of the drug.

It's like if pharmaceutical companies stole a patent for water and prevented anyone from making water except for them. They are free to raise the price because there is no competition, even though it would be easy for another company to produce water at significantly lower costs.

>>14432019
Yes

can't wait for CRISPR to develop more

>>14432354
get a job

>>14432447
Monopolies aren't immoral, but monopolists should tithe, as should anyone who is financially solvent.

>>14432459
>NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Consoomers HAVE to get FIFTY PERCENT or MORE of the economic surplus!!!! It's only FAIR!!!!

>>14432533
My close friend with diabetes is extremely pressed about this, so I'm sympathetic, but it has nothing to do with my post.

>>14432586
>>14432611

And then Jesus said,

"Fuck your fellow man, hoard all the water and air and insulin and don't let anyone else make any. And they should pay you in solid gold, proportional to your nose length. Amen."

>>14432611
>housing
>medicine
>basic services
>CONSOOMER
>angry basedjak

>>14432586
>Monopolies aren't immoral
*monopolizes your air, cracks open the cold one and watches at you slowly suffocating from the lack of money to afford basic necessities*

>>14432115
I’ve never been to a halal grocer or butcher without witnessing some small act of unprovoked generosity or kidness, be it giving free food to a homeless person or candy to a young child, or simply the invitation to rest a bit with the patron and enjoy some hot tea and friendly conversation.
Seeing the noble professions that shopkeepers carry out, and reducing their daily jihad for the soul of their communities, as a base exercise in self interest, deprives their function of it’s soul. It turns every baker into a failed banker, every butcher into an incompetent broker.

>>14432519
Any subject can be twisted into being "literature" if a book was written about it. This is not /books/; there are dedicated boards for the discussion of politics and economy, and this is not one of them.

>>14432619
Until the last century diabetes was a death sentence. Nobody has an affirmative duty to keep you alive. Whether or not the CEO of Eli Lilly is going to Hell is none of my concern; kvetching over someone else's refusal to pay for your consumption is unbecoming of a human being endowed by his creator with the capability to fend for himself. If you hate patent laws then think of a better scheme and publish a paper.

>>14432648
I've been homeless, it's not that bad and you're a nancy.

>>14432649
>monopolizes your air
Has never happened. Good luck realizing that dream, champ.

>>14432717
>I've been homeless, it's not that bad and you're a nancy.

>>14432434
>18th century us economy is the same as 21st century us economy

>>14432743
I'll humor you- what exactly has changed so dramatically that Adam Smith can simultaneously be correct at the start of the industrial revolution but incorrect at the end?

>>14432717
>Has never happened.
It doesn't matter. I provided you with an example of why monopolies are immoral and how they can harm humans by depriving them of basic goods, like air, home, food or water. You can't monopolize air RIGHT NOW (you could if we were living on the Moon), but you can monopolize people's access to food, water, electricity or medicaments.

>>14432717
>Until the last century diabetes was a death sentence. Nobody has an affirmative duty to keep you alive.

lmao. In American society, yeah, they do actually. If you show up at a hospital bleeding out and you have no money to pay they'll still keep you alive. If they don't it's a violation of the Hippocratic oath.

Btw you're in for a fun time when you get some disease, maybe cancer, maybe Parkinson's, probably something by the time you're 50 and definitely something by the time you're 70. I doubt you'll be ancap then.

>Whether or not the CEO of Eli Lilly is going to Hell is none of my concern; kvetching over someone else's refusal to pay for your consumption is unbecoming of a human being endowed by his creator with the capability to fend for himself.

I can fend for myself, I probably make more than your neckbeard larping ass. I have insurance so insulin costs very little for me.
I don't want you to pay for my "consumption", I don't think the price of insulin should be $0. But it should be like $30 for the uninsured. This is how much it costs to make it + a small profit margin.

Thinking that an individual "consoomer" (I guess you're a "consoomer" too because you drink water and eat food) can stand up against a billion dollar corporation is just retarded. There is no reason for the insulin price increase besides profit.


>If you hate patent laws then think of a better scheme and publish a paper.

You are a faggot mixing ancap and christian arguments. What a faggot larper.


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>>14432781
Electricity, medicine, and privately-owned shelter aren't necessary to live out your natural lifespan. Food and water are cheaper than ever despite decreasing competition thanks to economies of scale. If you don't want to pay through the nose for air don't move to the moon.
>B-but in my head world-
You are very stupid and I will not be replying to you anymore!

>>14432782
>In American society, yeah, they do actually.
No, they don't. Hospitals with emergency rooms have to treat people if they want Medicare bucks. Physicians who improperly refuse treatment or violate a call coverage requirement might get in trouble with their employer or the state licensing board, but they won't go to jail.
>the Hippocratic oath
Oh, I see, you know absolutely nothing about the practice of medicine.
>Btw you're in for a fun time when you get some disease
I know that I'm owed nothing.
>I don't think the price of insulin should be $0. But it should be like $30 for the uninsured. This is how much it costs to make it + a small profit margin.
So you think we should set prices by statute It's easy to argue against that.
>You are a faggot mixing ancap and christian arguments. What a faggot larper.
I'm not an ancap, nor a faggot, nor a larper. Seethe.

>>14432975
>Electricity, medicine, and privately-owned shelter aren't necessary to live out your natural lifespan
Yes, they are, you retard. Also, wtf does "natural" lifespean even mean, the average life expectancy of billionaires is 90 years and the the life expectancy of a South African is 62, whose lifespan is "natural"?

>>14433002
To me, a natural lifespan is how long you would live assuming you aren't killed by something other than a disease. Disease is exempt because it has more to do with genetics than medicine or random chance.

>>14433027
>Disease is exempt because it has more to do with genetics
So, are the billionaires and citizens of 1st world countries simply the superior race, ubermensch, and live so long because they have super b genetics and not thanks to access to high quality healthcare? Bear in mind that there are POOR countries with 1st world homicide and LOW life expectancy.

>>14432975
>Oh, I see, you know absolutely nothing about the practice of medicine.
The world doesn't work the way your fantasies do.
> I know that I'm owed nothing.
If you got cancer and had to go $100,000 deep into debt you'd be crying and bitching. We all know your philosophy is only upheld by your continued fortune.
>So you think we should set prices by statute It's easy to argue against that.
No. That's what the price would naturally go to, if there were competition. You seem to be pro-monopoly. Retard.
> Seethe.
I have federal BCBC, aka best insurance in America. You'll be hit much harder me. You are too dumb to seethe.

>>14433027
>aren't killed by something other than a disease. Disease is exempt because it has more to do with genetics than medicine or random chance.
Kek, remember this when you are lying in bed dying from disease. "wha-whatever! I was meant to die! It's genetic!" lmfao faggot larper

>>14433043
>So, are the billionaires and citizens of 1st world countries simply the superior race, ubermensch, and live so long because they have super b genetics and not thanks to access to high quality healthcare?
Obviously healthcare plays a part, especially when it comes to infant mortality or run-of-the-mill bacterial illnesses. I would say that these people are living unnaturally long lives, to which nobody is entitled.

>>14433050
>The world doesn't work the way your fantasies do.
I've actually demonstrated some familiarity with the professional field of medicine. Meanwhile you think physicians actually take the Hippocratic Oath. lmfao.
>If you got cancer and had to go $100,000 deep into debt you'd be crying and bitching.
Yeah I'd be bummed, but this is a stupid example because there's no quick and easy treatment for cancer symptoms like there is for diabetes. Anyways, imagine having such a bugman soul that you think the appropriate response to your personal misfortune is to non-optimally redirect society's resources toward yourself and call it 'morality.'