/lit/ - Literature

>>14472494
Yes? Are you a moron? On average, if you have a bachelors, you'll earn something like 20k more one average per year. The wage premium on a phd or a proffesional degree is like 100k. Its more than enough to make up for debt and time not spent working. These stats take into account all degrees too. If you get a masters in electrical engineering, a medical degree or a law degree, the figures are much much better. Even if you get a philosophy degree, your expected earnings are far above that of someone without a degree, even if you compare them to people with similar socioeconomic status without a degree.

Also, this is /lit/, your post is dumb. go to /biz/

Unironicaly, I have more respect for people that are tradesmen than some random accountant that went to college.

>>14472565
Until they do your taxes.

>>14472655
>RESPECT THE BRAVE MEN WHO GO TO OFFICES EVERY DAY TO DO YOUR TAXES
No.

>>14472494
I do not respect anyone with any college degree that isn't pure math/theoretical computer science, physics/applied math, or philosophy.
Every other major is midwit IQ cope (including every other STEM degree)

>>14472663
Are you confusing tradies with those in the military? Because I also do not feel that way about tradesmen because that's weird.

>>14472494
It depends, you need to go on a case by case basis. Certainly going into debt for employment credentials no one cares about is a bad idea.

>>14472521
>Even if you get a philosophy degree, your expected earnings are far above that of someone without a degree, even if you compare them to people with similar socioeconomic status without a degree.
What job could I get for that?

>>14472682
Chemistry is great

>>14472682
I do Eng Lit and I would have to agree with you on this, my course is a fucking joke.

>>14472521
>some boomers with college education earn 20 million a year driving up the average

You should go to college if u know you will be great in a specific field and have genuine interest. If you are smart and driven and got into a good college and have proven accolades it really doesn’t matter what you major in. You will be fine. College is a great indicator of how intelligent or hardworking a person is. No matter how much you cope this is fact. Even when it comes to hiring gas station & liquor store employees my family has always preferred people with college degrees because that means they are somewhat capable and it has been proven to be true over and over again to us. Accolades that are not quantifiable or able to be proven are more than often just copes.

>>14472494
PEKKA
>master's in philosophy
>no student debt
>has a fulfilling job where he can put his philosophical knowledge to good use
>believes people without college degrees are stupid

>>14472494
electrician here. either way you're a wagie and a faggot. the real based guys are the homeless bums

>>14472565
Ofc, tradesmen do useful things.

>>14472494
Do you want to work in STEM? Then yes.
Do you want to be a researcher? Then yes.
Are you wealthy and don't have to worry about money and wan't to experience a college environment and take classes in things like Theology, antrophology, sociology, philosophy, history? Then Yes.
Do you see university as a form of extended adolescence and is your degree worthless to employers? Then no.
Are you in a field like Design, programming, interior design, illustration where you can show your work and build a career from that? Then maybe yes or maybe no. It's up to you.

The Job market is ever increasingly becoming more dynamic/flexible, the digital arena is vast and there's much to pick from, be wise.

>>14472494
how do retards go 100k in debt for school?
my entire degree cost me just over 20k and living expenses over 4 years was probably 30k half paid by part time and summer jobs half paid by my parents

i've been out of school 1 year and i will be debt free 1 more year from now

>>14473146
no we don't, we just build useless structures for rich boomers. no one really "needs" electricity or running water, we got on fine without that shit for thousands of years. its all just vanity

You have no self-respect if you're a wagie anyway, so does it matter how many good boy points your boss is giving you?

>>14473173
>half paid by my parents
you just answered your own question retard. try having broke or uncaring parents.

>>14473171
also remember you're still going to be making money for some rent seeking boss, the most important choice you have is the ability to pick who you work with, unless you're fine being a wage slave and just want to live a regular life in the suburbs, knock yourself out.

>>14473174
hmm, I wasn't expecting a hunter-gatherer pilled tradesman to show up, I agree with you, I just type that out because most people disagree with us. Still it's people like you that helped me set-up my solar water heater in my semi-off grid forest homestead, so I'm eternally thankful.

>>14473175
>you have no self respect if you want to put food on the table

>>14473194
>put food on the table
Grow your own food.

>adam: lives a healthy life with his unique philosophical insight and keeps his body healthy
>chris: broken body by 50 (if he's lucky, probably earlier)

>>14472521
These numbers also do not account for the selection bias. If you controlled for intelligence, I don't know if those numbers would be so disparate.

If you were smart, and could get through a degree, you could prob make a good living being in a trade or small business owner.

>>14472494
It's only ever worth it if you're going for the long-haul, i.e. as a means to the end of postgraduate education (PhD, MD, PharmD, JD, etc). Bachelor's degrees in 2020 are worthless because everyone and their mother has one. Unless you are rich and have a lot of connections, a BA or BS of itself isn't going to open many doors. Even STEM undergraduate degrees are a meme now. Chemistry majors can expect a starting salary in the 30k range. Engineers face unemployment the sheer number of import students and import H1B candidates willing to work for much less. The 20k per year more figure in the FPWP, is also an industry meme, as these rely on self-reporting income data (ie, those with favorable outcomes are more likely to report respond to surveys), and I can tell you that "Even if you get a philosophy degree, your expected earnings are far above that of someone without a degree, even if you compare them to people with similar socioeconomic status without a degree." is a blatant falsism relying on fake potentialities and college industry statistics.

You are better off going for a trade or becoming a trucker than going to undegrad alone. $65k+ a year. However, if you are intelligent, you are better off going through with it in order to go to something higher. A PharmD will make 115k right off the bat.

>>14472688
I only respect the brave men who unclog my toilet

>>14473216
>are worthless because everyone and their mother has one.
But this just points to how necessary it is to have one. If everyone has one and you don't, where does that leave you?

>>14473190
i mean, granted, tradesmen are objectively less useless than white collar usurers, but 99% of the time they are still doing non-essential things, or even detrimental things. even though i'm an electrician, i personally believe that electricity was a mistake and that lightbulbs are very bad for people, and thats not even to mention the effects of electromagnetic radiation and such. at most i think people should have a few outlets in their houses, 20 amps at most, not these 400 amp boomer monstrosities that you can hear buzzing from the first floor if its really quiet.
there's also the fat that you are participating in the capitalist machine, siphoning wealth from the lower classes up to the boomers and kikes in the real estate market. its all so tiresome.

>>14473220
It leaves one going for a more profitable option without incurring debt like trade or trucking.

>>14472682
Don't confuse your mediocre performance for the difficulty of the subject.

>>14473028
Is the fact that they have a college degree and are working in a gas station for probably not more than min wage not a red flag?
When I was in college applying for wagecvck jobs I never listed prospective degrees or internship experience on my resume, I assumed employers who wanted a trained monkey wouldn't want someone who looked accomplished because it'd suggest laziness (for not having gotten a better job) or some other problem.

>>14473207
>he plans on living to 50

>>14473232
>trucking
This won't be viable in the coming years m8.

>>14473224
Ah anon, you're a warrior of the soul, I have felt like that before, lots of people did, emerson did, mill did.. you know what my solution was? To buy land and to build myself a wood chalet, I wage slaved for a few years in a foreign country, amassed all the money I could and I'm just finishing the last touches, I've never been so fulfilled. I'm only dependent on the supermarket in the village for food but that's going to change soon, I have my eyes on some goats and some chicken. I wanted out anon, most things are useless, people consume because they're unhappy and they are unhappy because they're stuck in a mode of competition, I didn't want to play that game, I wanted to lift weights, grow my own food, collect my own water, generate my own eletricity, read great literature, paint, write, create, have a couple of kids and work on things I truly find meaningful. I'm in the beautiful process of living this out. Maybe this is something you'd like to do as well, give it a go, research! It was my way out, and it gave me all the meaning I was looking for when I was wage slaving.

NEETdom is the only sane path. You're going to continue paying your taxes and it's going to go to me wagies.

Nobody that can’t afford to go to a good college with relative ease should go to college. They should forget ROI and avoid debt like the plague. It’s really that simple, but I know no one will listen to this advice and everyone will instead lever up on debt to rush into STEM or some other bull shut so they get air conditioned offices and binge Netflix so just do that already.

>>14473276
So people shouldn't get a mortgage and just be rentcucks?

>>14473270
Buy land anon, land is worth something, it is YOUR land, your turf, genocide has been committed over this resource, it follows it must hold a lot of value. It's a weird thing to describe, but you own it, this space, it's all yours, in there you're shielded from the outside mess that is the modern world, you will FEEL different, there is a different energy, you'll only get it once you buy your own land. Now's the time to, everyone is going to the cities.

Read pic.

>>14473270
you must not live in america. its nearly impossible to do such a thing here, the real estate market is too inflated and there is way too much bureaucratic regulation. no matter what you get cucked.

Fuck you, pleb
t. Philosophy major

When did this rabid credentialism start happening?

>>14472521
Oh I thought this was /pol/ for a second

>>14473290
Yes, I am European. If so I feel for you my friend, I hope you find solace.

>>14473275
You only get $780 a month if you go for early life NEETdom in the US. If you work for just 5-10 years, you can collect $2500 a month for the rest of your life. Not to mention, if you just save that money as cash, you can use it to buy a cheap plot of land and put a cabin on it, so your expenses will be pretty much nothing, especially with LI/HEAP.

Best case scenario with low income NEEThood is free project housing. You don't want that.

>>14472682
Theres a lot of pseuds in philosophy desu
t. Philosophy pseud

>not just bullshitting your way into any job you want

>>14473296
i'll try and i'll also check out that book.

>>14473219
It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it.

>>14473267
Nonsense. Self driving trucks are a pipe dream. The only thing that could realistically destroy trucking would be a major economic implosion or more advanced railways

>>14473326
>advanced railways
if only. cars were a mistake.

Eh if you can find an ok job and just live at home without a degree youll get a nice savings cushion, if youre actually smart and know what you really like, then go. Dont be a normoid and go to go though, thats stupid

>>14473219
That's quite the euphemism.

Here are the biggest red pills on college that almost no one is going to actually listen to even though it’s true. For one, it’s like another poster said. Until very recently college has never been about and never will be about getting a job. It’s basically high school 2.0. It’s continued education for people that afford it. Just like getting better jobs is a by-product of graduating high school. Getting better jobs is a by-product of graduating college. This has never been the main thing though and never will be. It’s about education. Think of it that way. Now, knowing it’s primarily about education and not an investment, would you take on $60k in debt for it? Probably not. If you can afford college relatively easily, the worst case scenario is that you waste some time and money and can basically start over when you’re done. If you can’t afford college and instead take on debt, you’re financially enslaving yourself for the next 5, 10, maybe 20+ years. Here’s the other big red pill. 99% of white collar office jobs are complete bullshit. This includes Engineers. They do paperwork and use spreadsheets to make the other employees more “productive” or “efficient”. So if you go into debt for a white collar office job, you’re literally willingly selling yourself into financial slavery so you can be a comfy house nigger in AC just so you can avoid being a free man who has to do real work in less desirable conditions. The kicker here is that as the corporations are realizing that coders can make software that manages the peasants better than you house niggers, you’re all getting outsourced or replaced with software and AI. Why wouldn’t they? You don’t do anything essential. If you can afford college with ease, it doesn’t really matter because you’re a free man either way, no matter what happens. If you can’t afford it with ease, you’re selling yourself into financial slavery basically so you can consume more. Lastly, knowing all of this I have no idea why anyone would elect to go to college and study only STEMbug shit for a job. If it’s about education, use it for real education, not get rich quick shit. And if you can’t afford college without debt, well tough shit. Your options are basically serfdom or you can remain a free man and go into labor, trades, sales, or the military and work your way up like everyone else since the dawn of time.

go to college if you don't want to be a loser, which is how women view you without a college degree

>>14473326
https://www.denverpost.com/2019/12/11/a-self-driving-truck-delivered-butter-from-california-to-pennsylvania-in-three-days/

>>14473350
you're already a loser if you care about what women think.

>>14472494
Besides a trade or small business, what other options are there? University is the best for most people. Just don't get a meme degree. Your social status will increase too. If you don't have a college degree, a lot of people will look down on you (even if you make good money) unless you're a millionaire.

>>14473363
>midwit projection, the post.

>>14473349
>remain a free man and go into labor, trades, sales, or the military
lol none of those things will make you free. military goys are turbo-cucked even worse than white collar wagies, tradies are also still just working for someone else's profit, and even if they work for themselves, they're still participating in a system run by jews and paying taxes to them, and sales is the same thing.
the only way to be free is to be homeless, to leave the first world or to rebel against it.

>>14472565
Accounting might as well be a trade. You could train a dog to do it.

t. Accountant.

>>14472494
>>14473355
It’s over bois. Prepare for the UBI sinofuturist NEET dystopia.

>>14473363
>If you don't have a college degree, a lot of people will look down on you
I find this hilarious,is this some american/east asian phenomenon?

>>14472908
Physics for people who can't handle maths. Does not teach you the problem solving mentality of a Physics degree and you get no experience with programming either. Pretty useless degree unless you want to be a lab monkey, academic or chemistry teacher.

>>14473391
Do euros not do that? Sounds like bs

>>14473267
Yeah man, people are totally let large amounts of valuable freight be driven around by AI without supervision.

Sure

>>14473355
Will never go mainstream
>>14473329
https://youtu.be/eNGt2EX2jBo
Shame the train era is over. Trains are kino

>>14473398
They already let them be driven around by working class monkeys, so why not AI?

>>14473391
very much an american thing, but no one who is decent actually gives a fuck.

>>14473402
i think i'm gonna go to the march for life in DC just so ican have an excuse to go on a train ride

>>14473395
Not that I'm aware, why should we?

>>14473363
MD here.

I hate the college-educated group more than any other demographic. Specifically, undergraduates. They take pleasure in belittling anyone a peg below them. They really don't like it whenever they are on the receiving end.

No degree, trades, high school drop outs, etc, are all fine in my book. It's the baccalaureate group that is inflated with arrogance. Education level higher than them at least filters out some of the midwit arrogance.


I can tell from your post that you are a bad human being.

>>14473423
because you could make a lot of money by peer pressuring people into paying exorbitant tuition fees.

>>14473428
I net around $80-100k/year doing construction work. I have a registered business, insurance, all that. Whenever I'm around people, I'm constantly asked what degree I have or if I'm going to college. I get nasty looks and "ohhh..." when I mention I never went to college. Trust me, college is very much a social status indicator. Personally, I don't care what you do. Just don't expect social status without college or millions.

>>14473435
I run a small business anon, I depend on those kinds of people to keep me afloat (the low agency ones).

>>14473467
>I get nasty looks and "ohhh..." when I mention I never went to college.
Don't you feel contempt for these kinds of people? Seriously anons, what kind of weird gentile breed is this? I was unaware people like this existed, it's so weird.

>>14473407
Because it's easier to take advantage of a driving AI than almost any human, and you wouldn't have to worry about killing someone if conflict were to escalate.

>>14472494
Any Gradschoolfags that can help me out here?

I want to go into Philosophy or Comp. Lit but everybody says that Classics is a guaranteed grad school spot. Anyone can tell me whats the difference between Classics and Phil/Lit? It seems like a specific field but with no focus??

>>14473489
My mom does it as well. She's always seething when college gets brought up, because all her friends tell her about their children, how smart they are, what degrees they're getting, where they're going, etc. All she can say about me is "he's doing some construction work." Every once in a while, she'll start going off on me about how I need to go to college because I shouldn't be doing what I am now for the rest of my life.

>>14472521
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradesman#Earnings_and_social_standing

>>14473374
Sorry, but I’m not claiming what I think you think I’m claiming. I didn’t say anything about Jews and I didn’t say you could escape the system. I said you’re selling your freedom to take on debt for a degree which is true. Military, yes you are obligated to complete your contract, but once you complete it you can do whatever you want unlike 20 year debt slaves. Same thing with Tradesmen who often take on little to do debt to go to school. I fail to see how a Welder that has no debt can’t just do something else if he decides he doesn’t want to weld anymore. He could always just downsize his life and go do something. Salesman usually don’t require any education and again could just do something else. That’s more freedom than a financial analyst that has $60k in debt because has no choice but to remain a financia analyst. He makes fixed payments on a loan that in all likelihood swells in principal year over year and which only the salary of a financial analyst can cover. Unlike the welder, he doesn’t get compensated or even asked if he’s willing to work more than he wants to. He’s just expected to, like a slave. If he has no debt, then no harm no foul. He can just do something else. It’s the debt here that’s important not the actual job which really is irrelevant.

>>14473489
its just like normie nature at this point, even with kids. after 8th grade in my school district you got to decide whether or not you wanted to go to a trade school or to the regular high school and there was this big process about it, we would all go on filed trips there to see what it was like and they did presentations and shit, and all the normies would make fun of anyone wanting to go to the trade school.

>>14473178
how you pay off your debt is one thing, but how do you rack up $100k in the first place?

>>14473521
well yes, it depends on how radical your definition of freedom is.

>>14473467
Eh, go to college when you're ready. It doesn't hurt to train up in construction. Also, getting shit like PMP or Prince2 certified doesn't hurt and is often better than the more academic routes. That can open some doors.

If you do anything vaguely physical, try to make sure you have a not physical plan B is my opinion.

>>14473530
interest rates, getting gauged by the schools, going on a meal plan and staying in a dorm. you must be a boomer or not an american. i didn't even go to college but i know you're looking at roughly 100k if you get no scholarships.

>>14473428
its like this meme. there is a version which pertains to what you're saying but i couldn't find it.

>>14473428
That’s funny because most of the graduate students and degree holders that I’ve met are the most arrogant midwits. The ones that aren’t are way better than the undergraduates that aren’t, but they’re the minority.

Anyway, it’s most definitely a status symbol. Historically, higher education was reserved for the upper classes and society at large still views it as such.

>>14473510
That's a disgusting behavior, mine told me to gain independence and do what I enjoy, then again she was an entrepreneur so it's in the genes.

>>14473529
That's pretty sad but understandable, they saw trades as a place where dumb people go, and no one likes to know they're dumb, unless they have balls and are content with themselves, especially as kids.

>>14473570
never really cared about peer pressure myself, but i didn't even want to go to the trade school. the only reason i went was because my mom said she would buy me a dirtbike (which she never did).

>>14473510
Ugh, boomer mindset. They'll make their kids suffer to impress other boomers. Had a similar experience. Forced into a uni I fucking hated and nearly went crazy for it because I just had ti carry that prestige to make up for my neet brothers lack of achievment

>>14473510
what the fuck, do you live in a literal suburb or something?

>>14473117
Put those trips backs on D&E

>>14473489
>Don't you feel contempt for these kinds of people? Seriously anons, what kind of weird gentile breed is this? I was unaware people like this existed, it's so weird.
My father has been colder to me since I got my degree, and I think it's for this reason. I don't think it's because people see him as dumb, but because they treat him like he's a disappointment. Could be projection, but people can be jerks about a lot of things

>>14472494
Imagine doing a philosophy degree, and not something like computer science so you can afford books

I always get that condescending "its ok anon lots of people are successful without college!" Maybe its because I have an ok job where theres a bunch of other college grads

>>14473557
It's right here >>14473216

>>14473628
kek

>>14473601
>>14473586
Man, this makes me realize how lucky I am, bout to call my mom lads, cheers.

>>14473617
>"its ok anon lots of people are successful without college!"
>"What do you mean by successful?"
Cont.

>>14473213
Good spot.
Seems easy enough to control for IQ, I wonder if there is any study on this, do you feel like having a look anon?

>>14472494
No. Go be a trucker and jet 60k a year for a couple years. Save that money and invest in either more trucking stuff, or find a new career path with the money you saved. Either that or go into the trades as an apprentice right away and on our way up the construction superior ladder. About six years of hard work in a non-union company can net you a comfy supervisor position. The beauty of it all is that unlike the cooperate world, you can advance easily in almost any trade field as long as you display a hard working ethic, get along well with others, and generally just a good employee. Work hard when you’re young so that as you age you aren’t relegated to the grunt work of a laborer. Well worth it. I’ll be clearing 60k next year in the poorest region of the country with the lowest average housing prices in the nation. Feels good knowing I can buy a couple acres for a couple grand and then build a house without needing a massive mortgage. Even better is building it myself and hiring people I’ve worked with on prior jobs to help within their field of expertise. Blue collar is comfy.

>>14473711
>get along well with others
this is why i will never be able to succeed no matter how hard i work, i'm just too much of a sperg so it doesn't matter.

>>14473294
It its becoming unfortunately

>>14473213
Did you read my post?

>>14472896
No idea. This article https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/philosophers-dont-get-much-respect-but-their-earnings-dont-suck/ goes into it, and basically says that they just do random stuff that isnt directly philosophy related

>>14472968
Do you know what a median is?

>>14473519
The section you posted has six studied cited. 5 of them support my conclusion. One of them says that "a higher apprenticeship (at level 5 in the national qualifications frameworks) delivered higher lifetime median earnings than a degree from a university outside the Russell Group" which is incredibly weak. If your uni is outside of the russel group, its probably not worth it going there. Also, a level 4 national qualification in the uk means you've studied/trained for like 3 years anyway.

>>14473407
lel

>>14473752
When I say get along well with others that doesn’t mean the conventional liberal construct of what modern socialization is. Really, you just need to be able to deal and dish bullshit and deal with the return flak you get. It’s a learning experience that will pull you out of the poor sperg- behavior you exhibit. Man of the didn’t have whatever problems you currently experience because he was forced into an environment which modified his behavior into what we now look back on with rosy glasses. Do blue collar work, you’ll be fine. I’d imagine if you make it through the hard first month of getting your body conditioned to the work, you’d find you enjoy the camaraderie and challenges.

>>14472521
I mean, do you speak from this on personal experience or something?

I have a college degree and had trouble finding a job at first. The amount of people advocating for collegiate education on here is somewhat worrying, because I found that job experience mattered the most. The last two jobs I got, I obtained not because of my college degree but because of prior experience :3

>>14473840
>Really, you just need to be able to deal and dish bullshit and deal with the return flak you get.
yeah, i can't do that. i've been doing blue collar work for the past three years and i still can't operate socially with them. my body is hard as fuck, i haven't even slept in a bed in like 15 months.

>>14473497
I didn’t major in either but took a lot of classes in and was interested in both departments. At least at my University, classics focused solely on Ancient civilizations i.e. Greece, Rome, etc. while comp lit didn’t focus in on one time period so much and instead focused on comparing literature across cultures and genres. In classics you study the Iliad and in comp lit you compare the Iliad to the epic of gilgamesh basically.

>>14472663
did you just read the pale king?

>>14473851
>b-bro i-i get what you're saying, b-but do you h-have any anecdotes?

>>14473270
I’ve seen a lot of posts on this site, but this is the first one I’ve read which is truly based and redpilled.

>>14472494
Kind of. Without a degree no one will look twice at you. The problem is the degree alone is no longer enough.
>tfw 3 years out of uni and only had shit pay shit work entry level jobs that I'm embarrassed to admit to working
>literally cannot progress into an actual fucking job
>studying my ass off for certs to switch into a field that isn't oversaturated
>>14472521
because I can only get low paying temp jobs in my field, my average income in the 3 years since graduation has been 20k USD a year. So if I didn't have the degree, my income would have been 0?

wow. such job market. so amazing.

>>14473875
Well? Do you? I speak from personal experience. I might be about to get a very nice job opportunity just because of additional prior experience, not my college education.

What exactly are you referring to here? Many times, the employees can simply be trained in the field as they work. That’s what many companies these days do: invest training into their employees. :3

>>14473863
why what's it about?

>>14473891
>That’s what many companies these days do: invest training into their employees. :3
bullshit. bull fucking shit. i've had employers turn me down for not having experience in something THAT WOULD TAKE APPROXIMATELY THREE HOURS OF TRAINING TO LEARN HOW TO DO.

THREE. HOURS. HOURS!!!!!!!!!

FUCK YOU. FUCK THEM. FUCK THIS WORLD.

>>14473758
Such a nothing answer

>>14473270
Is this real or are you LARPing? This is extremely difficult to do in America despite us having extremely vast expanses of land available.

>>14473711
>become a trucker
worst lifestyle, even for a few years

>>14473974
>Seeing the vast expanse of North American in solitude and listening to audiobooks, fine music, sermons, teaching company lectures, is the worst lifestyle.
For a bugman that needs weekly nightlife and hustle and bustle of a city and cannot be alone with himself, such a fate truly is hell.

>>14473988
it's more like
>sitting and sleeping in your truck with the occasional food and bathroom stops while you have joint problems

>>14473905
There are some jobs which people spend their whole lives learning. :3

That can be a sink too. Don’t be fooled that just because you spend a long amount of time learning something it’s somethig you should keep doing or is a good job.

>>14472682
profoundly based

>>14474005
Joint problems and digestive problems, because the only things you eat are at truck stops.

>>14473216
Holy shit. It's true

>>14473929
>This is extremely difficult to do in America despite us having extremely vast expanses of land available.
I'm serious, I'm in Europe, why is it difficult to do i America, thought you guys were freedom.

>>14472494
>having to pay to go to uni
the absolute state of america

>>14472521
Cope

>>14473988
it does sound comfy, but i have back problems already and i feel like i wouldn't be able to lift weights. plus the idea of having to back one of those things up into a receiving bay is daunting. i can definitely see how it can be aesthetic, but it takes a very certain kind of person.

>>14474039
high school dropout should be the sunglasses pepe though

>He can't go to trade school and then university right after for free in his shitty country

Going to university isn't just about how much money you can generate you absolute stemfaggot scum it's about personally enriching yourself and growing your current interests and finding new ones.

>>14474255
enriching yourself with the cum of tens, if not hundreds of men? (assuming you're a female, which is safe to assume considering that more females go to college than males)

>>14474255
maybe if you’re some rich white fuck who can afford to jerk off to literature for dozens of thousands of dollars in college, not worried about the actual expense or paying back what you invested. Fuck off, soft science /lit/fag.

bachelors aren't worth it, grad school is

>>14473326
>>14473398
>>14473494
They'll just hire minimum wage highscho dropouts to hang out in the self-driving truck's cab and "watch" it to prevent rerouting and avoid liability if the vehicle kills somebody because the scapegoat "should have" intervened.

>>14474039
>indecisive at the bottom
>more decisive near the top

Makes sense, starting a family is a heavy choice, no room for ambivalence in that matter.

>>14472682
A linguistics degree isn't cope... is it bros?

>>14474049
Freedom is nothing but a slogan here. If you own your own land and improve upon it enough to live off of, you will be forced to also earn the money to pay taxes on every inch of it, plus the improvements you built yourself. You must leave your land to sell things or wageslave and pay for the right to continue to live there. Refusal means getting domed by cops protecting and serving you.
There are also logistical difficulties just in building it all yourself. If you aren't in a place they decide you're allowed to build or if your house isn't up to code, they'll fuck you up with fines, and failure to pay them means it becomes theirs. There are hundreds of tiny specific laws that they can and will manipulate into fucking you over even if you really do everything right. Technically gathering your own rainwater is illegal.
You can't just go into the woods and live on your own without a substantial amount of money to back it up, and even then they will do everything in their power to ruin it for you.

>>14473270
I just graduated and this is something I wanna do in ~10 years. I could probably work around growing my own vegetables and fruits, but I have no knowledge on practical ways of generating electricity and woodworking. Can you recommend some books on this topic?

>>14472663

you wouldn't last a day in the accounting mines

>>14474447
>They'll just hire minimum wage highscho dr
You have to be pretty dead inside to hack it as an accountant.

>>14473402
Why the hell are you so confident that trucking of all things will never be automated away when it literally already is right before your eyes?

>>14474456

its the case for all jobs, accountants are just more honest about it

interesting how jobs/working degenerated from

>i want to make it rich and have independence!

to

>i just want to have a family

to

>i'm just trying to slave away on something that i like

>>14474437
There is more freedom in poor countries without property tax and codes for most people. However, America is very good for the wealthy. My cousin is an anesthesiologist and is constantly spending tons of money, yet has a million dollar home and saves more every month than the rest of my family who actually budget and try to save money.

>>14474469
It hasn’t been that way for me :3

I’ve discovered jobs that are good and some are bad. That’s life, kid, and there’s nothing wrong with the system :3

>>14474471
Freedom for a handful of millionaires at the expense of everyone else is not freedom at all.

>>14474458
It will be automated sure, but no one will employ the automation. Too much uncertainty involved to have millions of self driving death machines. As well as economic risk to the shippers.

>>14474481

yes, i'm sure you love getting an extra batch of fries all to yourself at mcdonalds, but you should be attending yourself to butterfly's dick instead of shitposting

>>14474484
There is already more certainty in a well-engineered self-driving truck than in a meth-addled trucker that hasn't slept in two days, and they will only get better.
The limiting factor is liability, in my eyes. If a trucker kills a busload of children, it's his fault, the company fires him and moves on. If a computer kills a busload of children, they go after the owner of the computer. I'm sure tons of lawyers are already prepared for this, and they'll have compounds where pajeets are paid minimum wage to watch a hundred trucks on monitors at once, and if any of his trucks get in a crash they take him out back and shoot him in the head before going to the waiting room and hiring the next one.

>>14474518
ah yes, pajeets, the modern day guardian angels of the west...

>>14474039
Based.

>>14474528
I genuinely have no idea what's going to happen when the west's endless supply of brown slaves hits any kind of snag. We'd have to hit a depression, at least.

>>14472494
Waste of time and money desu
t. mechanical engineering student

>>14474533
redpill me on exploiting welfare to make mad babies. is it actually possible?

>God tier
Doing what you love and what you're good at.

>Shit tier
Doing what nazi frog worshippers on a Turkmenistani porn/gore forum say is cool and but doing a career you hate the rest of your life. Imagine if J. R. R. Tolkien became a brick layer and never wrote because it paid pretty well.

>>14474482
7% of people and 17% of households have it well according to this. If you're making over $100k+ you are very well off. Even for a family of 4 with $40-60k in yearly expenses, you will be able to save and buy whatever just with your income. Now throw in a second and third worker in the household it's very easy to accumulate wealth unless you're a gambler or something. Meanwhile, 50% of American households live paycheck to paycheck. The American dream is reserved for the select few. I pity all the dumb immigrants who come here only to realize it's a trap.

>>14473758
> socioeconomic status

controlling for socioeconomic status is not the same as IQ.

>>14474563
It is very possible.

1. File for disability, assuming you are disabled of course. I would never advocate someone not disabled to malinger or anything like that. That's unethical!

2. Get approved. Payment amounts will vary between $750 to $2850 a month untaxed depending on work history. You will also get free Medicaid for life, which has no deductible, zero dollar copays and free diagnostic/surgical/prescription/everything coverage.

3. If your wife is disabled, have her do the same thing.

4. Apply for SNAP benefits which most states extend to disability recipients regardless of income earned from social security.

That is $200 a month per individual in food stamps. The more children you have, the more SNAP benefits you'll get. If you have 10 kids, you'll get $2000 a month to feed them in addition to everything else.

Just sit back, and keep procreating.

>>14473224
>even though i'm an electrician, i personally believe that electricity was a mistake and that lightbulbs are very bad for people,

i hope you tell people this when you come to work on their house...i love it

>>14474608
Time to find a retarded wife and make myself an army of little NEETlets

>>14474608
one ticket to snap city please!

>>14472682
Law

>>14474445
Not that guy, but look what's around. In my area/country, for woodworking, I really loved doing some stuff with a pole-lathe turners society (very very basic equipment but excellent results with a little skill), for these sorts of things there's often a group that exists just to keep the skills going (like there's probably a whittling one in a lot of places, commonly there are ones that do stuff like weaving and sewing and what not pretty much everywhere). Other than that, look for jobs purely for picking up skills. WWOOFing is a common tactic to pick up skills.

For power generation I suggest looking up a charity known as Practical Action, they have a bookstore and produce books on this sort of thing. If you're going to be living somewhere with a lot of wood then think about a CHP wood gas generator.

>>14473988
Sounds tedious as hell. Probably quite fitting for small uncreative people

>>14473224
>, i personally believe that electricity was a mistake

>>14474568
Based.

>>14474568
what's wrong with bricklayers? seems comfy unless you're shitting out production work

>>14474621
i'm only doing it to learn how to disable the gridhaha just kidding tho not really

>>14473974
Which is why it’s not a permanent career and only meant to be a booster for when you’re young or a good gig for when you retire and prefer to still do something but isn’t tedious and rough in the body/mind.

>>14474568
>wtf would anyone want a job that pays good
Try starving, crippling debt, and having absolutely no money. You deserve to be crippled and thrown in a labor camp for the rest of your pathetic life. Maybe then you would wonder why people would rather have a nice comfortable existence than aspire to some delusional idealistic vanity.

>>14474714
Anon, just because your childhood dreams didn't become real, it doesnt mean someone else can't find a meaningfull profession

>>14474733
They didn't come here to find meaning. They are on 4channel because their lives are literal shit, and they want advice of how to get some money. They do not want boomer talk of "do what you love".

>>14473536
If you’re catagorizing “freedom” of any sort as “radical” or not, you probably aren’t free

Nothing is worth it anymore. Pick your poison. Everything is a cope. Unless you're doing what you actually want to do

>>14474784
not totally, no. but you can be more free than a literal prisoner in solitary confinement. none of us are really free on earth anyway.

>>14474792
>Pick your poison
fuckk that sums it up perfectly

>>14472932
The biggest regret of my life was majoring in English.
The only way I will not regret it is if I get a cushy job at the end in HR or something

>>14472682
Well next time you get sick and end up in a hospital it's good to know you don't respect the doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists and techs that will treat you and potentially need to save your life.
Go ahead and let them know as soon as you arrive that you don't respect them.
Make sure the next time you go to the dentist that you let the hygienists and the dentist know that you don't respect them either.

>>14472565
you and everyone else. your post is cringy like /unpopularopinion/ posts are really just cringy circle jerk attempts

>>14472494
I went to school debt free because when I was younger I decided I wanted to shoot people in the face so I joined the Army. I used the GI bill to go to school afterwards with zero debt.

>>14474848
not him but i don't have health insurance so i won't be seeing any doctors. and as for dentists, they're a luxury, no one really needs one. just fucking brush your teeth and if you get a tooth rotting out, just get blackout drunk and have some fuck rip it out with some pliers, its literally what they do except they use "anesthetics" instead of booze.

>>14474866
Wonderful insight, thank you for this highly informative post that I'm sure everyone here wanted to read.
Retard. Go fix my toilet, I took a huge shit and used too much toilet paper, I need tradesmen like you to come fix it

>>14474879
lol, weak midwit men are so full of ingratitude. its not even insulting, just comical. like the princess in spaceballs complaining about everything after the dude saves her.

>>14474806
A literal prisoner can be free at heart, but if you have the mentality of a slave it doesn’t matter what kind of guilded cage you outfit yourself in

>>14474928
true freedom is only attained at the moment of death

>>14472494
This was so obviously made by someone who has never worked a physical labor job in their life.
I have done both academia and labor and I promise you, you want to do academia. The people are less shitty, the conditions are better, it's more satisfying. Fuck the debt (I avoided it for my education with scholarships) and elitism in general but honestly it's not even close.

>>14474879
>why yes, I do need other men to wipe my ass for me. I’m not ashamed of this because my parents spent tens of thousands of dollars sending me to special self-esteem building camp for 4-6 years, how can you tell?

>>14474954
Tradelet rage is hilarious. You guys are so insecure about not going to college because the idea of writing a paper once a semester scared you too much.

>>14474952
this confused the fuck out of me. why did they format it like this?

>>14474952
>The people are less shitty
i don't believe you

>>14475056
You kidding? People who work trades or basically any sort of manual labor/outside job are almost always scum. I don't know if those jobs simply attract those types or if they become like that on the job, but most are subhumans

>>14472494
Quite honestly, finance is the most /lit/ degree and you people are all coping. If you don't do IB or PE/Hedge Funds, it's an absolute breeze, and is paid quite well. Also, every finance capital of the world is the capital of arts for a reason, because you people haven't figured out diminishing returns and the people that operate assets, like comp sci, are just high tier monkeys. Only those that allocate capital have any really power if you don't own that capital.

>>14474936
based

>>14474968
I studied math at a top ten undergrad program in the US. There’s a lot thats nice about the academy, and all of it involves being coddled by a massive cushion of wealth and affluence. Getting a trade degree opened up a lot more professional avenues that weren’t strictly nepotistic circlejerking, and overall exposed me to much smarter, harder-working, and well rounded people. The feeling of actually knowing a skill can’t be replaced by writing a paper once a semester and circlejerking about how prestigious and exclusive your alma matter is.

>>14475128
Academia is a joke. Anyone that stays in academia and gets a PhD and then teaches and does research is most likely a shitty person.

>>14473497
>>14473497
I’m on a philosophy PhD but I end up hanging out with the Classics grad students often via joint reading-groups and they’re a lot more fun to be around than the other philosophy grads. They’re good lads on the whole. Entrance-wise, from what I know about the admissions in their department as long as you’ve got your Greek or Latin down, have the grades and are sufficiently enthusiastic about the subject you’re in with a good shot IMO. Philosophy you definitely need the grades and the entire graduate application process is a nightmare in my experience but if you can get through that it is also doable. Good philosophy (in theory) has a bit more rigour than work in the classics, (which is a bit more open in scope topic-wise,) but sometimes those requirements can be quite limiting so YMMV on what you value.

Only someone who has never worked a job would think it's better to do a trade than go to college. Working fucking sucks, college is fun. It's also higher social status to go to college and you can network your way into cushy positions.

>>14475232
>I think working is bad so everyone else does too
0 K

>>14474752
It's not just "do what you love" but "do what you're good at". Right out of high school my mom urged me to go straight to the police academy because being a cop pays well where I live... I was accepted to the force two days after my 19th birthday (the minimum to get hired) and I did it for almost 10 years and despite getting paid well I was miserable every single day because I just wasn't the "cop" type. The job itself distanced me from my friends that where creative types because of obvious reasons (lol drugs) and since I was a bookworm none of my cop coworkers wanted to hang out with the guy that would rather talk a bad guy down instead of punching him in the face.


Now at nearly 35 I graduated with a bachelor's in what I always wanted and I'm fucking elated at doing art. Will it work out? I dunno, but I'm already literally less miserable than spending my "Sunday" dreading my "Monday" because I hated being a cop so much, I had nightmares of dealing with lowlifes and my fellow unnecessarily violent faux-macho coworkers.

>>14473275
What's so great about being a NEET? You get a little bit of spare resources to sit around and do nothing with. Sell me on abusing the system to get out of working.

>>14474071
>stealing
the absolute state of yuropoors