/lit/ - Literature

>>14605265
This is just ressentiment projected unto the rest of the world. Some people don’t have sex, and don’t want to (i.e. Monks, Newton, Kant, vocels). Some people have sex and it doesn’t change anything. Others do and it changes everything. This is a mentality that accepts the terms of the “domain of struggle”. It’s not written in stone, it has to be accepted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coJjo3NmAEI
You simply cannot refute this

>>14605265
Girl's standards are lower than incels think
All you have to do is not hate yourself and sabotage every human interaction you have, which is easier said than done

>>14605265
where to start with wellbeck?

>>14605284
>Some people don’t have sex, and don’t want to (i.e. Monks, Newton, Kant, vocels)
You're actually delusional if you think monks don't want to have sex. Most of them become monks because they fail in regular life so they decide to dedicate themselves to the spiritual one. There's plenty of meditations to control sexual desire and it's one of the hardest things to let go of on the way to enlightenment
Kant and Newton were schizoids and they both probably still had sex. Prostitution was super common in their time.
Schizoids tend to not want sex but they develop all sorts of other problems (look at Ted).
There's 3 types of volcels. Delusional volcels like some MGTOWS and what not, this group obviously still wants sex, they're just in denial. Religious volcels, this group also still wants sex but they don't do it because they're afraid of burning in the after-life. Then there's volcels who might have had some trauma in relation to sex like rape or molestation, this group is the only one who truly doesn't want sex, but like the schizoids there's a lot of mental issues that, if resolved, would open the way for regular sexual desire.

>Some people have sex and it doesn’t change anything. Others do and it changes everything.
I don't know what this is supposed to mean. Being sex deprived is a universal shit thing to have to endure.
>But incels won't change just because they lose their virginity hurr durr
Well no shit. The damage is already done. Plus no one instantly goes from incel to chad. They go from incel to incel-who-got-lucky.

>This is just ressentiment projected unto the rest of the world
No. It's the truth.

>>14605299
>Girl's standards are lower than incels think
Most incels are retarded and they believe the 80/20 rule has a deterministic thing. I.e a 5/10 guy can literally NEVER fuck a 6/10 because by definition she is going for 8+. This is obviously stupid. But there's no denying girls have the dating game by the balls. And they can afford to be picky

>All you have to do is blah blah blah
All you have to do to get what? Sex from a 4/10 after you got rejected by 20 girls? Wonderful.

>>14605407
>Kant and Newton were schizoids and they both probably still had sex.
you don't know what you're talking about

>>14605407
>There's plenty of meditations to control sexual desire

What is sexual desire?

>>14605265
Yet other freedoms remain
https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo

>>14605407
>All you have to do to get what? Sex from a 4/10 after you got rejected by 20 girls?
Yes. This is what everyone has been doing since the dawn of time. You’re just entitled because you’ve been told by pop media that things are different. Get over it. Fuck prostitutes abd get on woth your life. The quality of your life is determined by what you do with what’s given to you, not by any fixed standard.

>>14605265
>incels are a new phenomenon

why are you so retarded?

>>14608123
>Yet other freedoms remain
do they really? freedom to do what exactly? be a wage slave and consume product? or be unemployed/on welfare and consume product? or maybe, just maybe, land a good job, make a lot of money and consume product?

>>14609273
>You’re just entitled because
Did you seriously just drop the entitlement meme? Back to plebbit with you

>>14609273
>The quality of your life is determined by what you do with what’s given to you, not by any fixed standard.
So I guess a Chad's life is worse than mine because he gets everything easy while I have to work for it

inceldom is a contradictory torment. I have no sympathy for. You cannot at once be disillusioned by love and hurt its by its longing. This is like an atheist mad at god or child rebeling against his father. Michel can speak to a specific feeling of pathetic and bitterness, but thats all there is.

Love is a lie. Life is unfair. So fucking what?

>>14605288
I need to see the whole movie, where can I find it?

>>14605299
>Girl's standards are lower than incels think
very true. but have fun meeting people if you live in a big city. its alienating as fuck. also trying to find a girl that you actually connect with makes it much harder.

you would think that with such a "connected society" people would be "more connected," but everyone, and that includes girls, are alienated. i think it's like 18-25% of girls in their 20's don't have sex at all either.

>>14609273
>>14605407
>>14609314
the best you can do is focus on higher truths and not get bogged down in vapid pleasures.

>So I guess a Chad's life is worse than mine because he gets everything easy while I have to work for it
"chad" is a miserable fuck also. do you think fucking and buying shit amounts to anything worthwhile? lust/hedonism always leads to suffering.

>The Blessed Lord said: It is lust only, Arjuna, which is born of contact with the material modes of passion and later transformed into wrath, and which is the all-devouring, sinful enemy of this world.

>>14609326
>Love is a lie.
false

>You cannot at once be disillusioned by love and hurt its by its longing.
this is true.

What makes it difficult is that such feelings can never be successfully explained to women. I think this is because our genitals encourage entirely different viewpoints for engaging with the world. The vagina is fundamentally utilitarian and makes every woman feel that their pleasure maximization is righteous while the penis is deontological in nature.

>>14609348
I dont think of the penis itself as deontological but I like that idea. do you think "chad" would then have a consequential penis?

If sex with an attractive woman is your goal in life
Step 1. Buy a gun.

>>14609338
>"chad" is a miserable fuck also
Is this what you tell yourself to cope with not thinking about suicide? Lol.

>>14609397
i think the majority of them want to find love. ive barely started reading "love and eros" by evola, but he says near the edge of civilizational collapse, most people try to find self actualization via women (whether they do this consciously or unconsciously.)

>>14609406
have you ever interacted with guys that get laid a lot? they arent very happy either. just look at all the actors in hollywood that are on countless drugs.

most people are not happy these days.

>>14609420
>have you ever interacted with guys that get laid a lot?

this is seriously true. one of my childhood friends, blonde hair, blue eyes, 6'5". College football player. He's sadder than me deep down. Sure he gets pussy and good pussy and I'm a fucking drug addict but at least I know how to understand it when I suffer. He's fucking helpless

>>14609382
No, the the ability for the penis to receive equal pleasure from any woman and gives men a capacity to think in terms of universal law that women cannot.

>>14605288
I don't understand what's the argument here?
It's just some guy bitching

>>14605265
Seems like a poor translation

>>14605299
>All you have to do is not hate yourself and sabotage every human interaction you have, which is easier said than done
lol, thanks

>>14609273
>The quality of your life is determined by what you do with what’s given to you, not by any fixed standard
Thanks for this too

>>14609420
>have you ever interacted with guys that get laid a lot?
Yes. They have a blast. They get to go out, make out with a bunch of girls and go home to plow a 9/10, while chumps seethe with envy. They are respected by their peers and adored by women.

>but hurr durr he's not like permanently happy all the time
So fucking what? No one is. Doesn't mean their life isn't a million times better

https://youtu.be/coJjo3NmAEI

>>14610434
you hold up casual sex like its the fucking holy grail or something.

I think the violent femmes had him beat by a couple decades

>>14610497
It's not casual sex. It's being attractive that's the holy grail

>>14610548
its really not that great

t. girls have asked me out and shit

>>14610553
That's like me saying to a starving african that food is not all that great. I have food everyday and yet I'm still unhappy. Therefore food must be meaningless in relation to my happiness.

>>14610646
im a virgin though; trying to find love is better.

>>14610672
Not him but what do people mean exactly by "I want to find love"?

>>14610719
finding a girl that i can connect with and what not, rather than just getting laid or something

>>14610672
>trying to find love is better.
And do you think that is something indepedent of how you look? Would you ever love a deformed fat chick even if she had a perfect personality?

>>14610733
>Would you ever love a deformed fat chick even if she had a perfect personality?
thats quite the extreme. and ive never met a lardass with a good personality.

Which Houellebecq book should I start with?

>>14609338
>i think it's like 18-25% of girls in their 20's don't have sex at all either.

This. Incels love ignoring that little fact

>Step 1 shit in a condom
>Step 2 freeze shit dildo
>Step 3 use anally
>Step 4 profit

>>14605299
The first part is true, the second part is not. There is certainly a large section (perhaps even the great majority) of incels who have the capacity for sexual and romantic relationships, but who simply find it difficult to put themselves out there due to crippling schizoid or autistic personalities. That said, there is also a section of incels which really are just too short and ugly. But this section is much smaller.

>>14610740
So?
I'm using a hypothetical to prove a point. "Love" can't happen without physical attraction. So good luck finding someone who loves you (romantically) if you're ugly.

>>14610746
What's that supposed to mean? Most of those girls could get fucked by some 5/10 dude, they just choose not to.

>but hurr durr incels also could they just have high standards
Biggest meme in the world. Most incels would jump in joy if they had a 5/10 genuinely interest in them.

>>14605265
>predicts something that has always existed.
Getting tired of this shit.