/lit/ - Literature

>>14641381
Yes.

>>14641381
Ive been hearing that from alot of those "the enlightenment, renaissance etc.. was the beginning of the collapse" types

It’s funny that so much of what passes for philosophical discourse is someone taking a system builder’s bumper sticker quote and mindlessly refuting the words and thinking they’ve settled something.

>>14641381
The quote makes much more sense when put into context about the faults of empiricism. I think you're mistakenly focusing on ontological questions, and maybe even the idea that you need a brain to think, instead of listening to what he says about experiential knowledge.

>>14641381
Yes it's incorrect he should have said
>i think therefore God Is.

>>14641381
What part of thinking ensures existence? Surely something artificial and non sentient could be made to mimic the process of thinking.

>>14641381
how are you sure you are though?

>>14641389
These are the people you can't cope with Kant's giant intellect.

It's correct to say: "I doubt, therefore I cannot doubt there there is an I which doubts."

>>14641420
Whats the difference between mimicked thinking and real thinking?

What are some books that explore the idea that we are all the thoughts of some unknown (to us) being?

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>>14641432
Mimicked thinking only appears to outsiders to be thinking but real thinking is thinking in and outside of itself. Only a subject could know it's own real thinking and since Descartes, as the subject here, declares that he is thinking, he can also deduce that he exists, since one cannot think unless one exists.

>>14641432
Free will i suppose. Mimicked thinking would probably feel almost identical to real thinking, but would follow a predetermined route with programmed steps instead of a free route in which the steps and end of the thinking process are completely up to the thinker. Perhaps there would be multiple predetermined routes available, leading to an illusion of choice within the thought process, but certainty not a real freedom of thought.

>>14641389
Plato was the real beginning of the collapse.

>>14641456
You misspelled Thales.

>>14641461
>>14641456
You misspelled Eve

>>14641440
yo sauce on this?

>>14641465
You misspelled the demiurge.

>>14641453
How could something "artificial and non sentient" (anon's words) be able to feel something? Invoking free will was completely unnecessary and what you described as mimicked thinking is the thinking that all of us have.

Your feelings, emotions, physical well-being are controlled by your thoughts, not the other way around.

Everything is a consequence of your actions which you had previously decided to do. When you smash a 1,000 calorie meal and then feel shit about it, it's because you thought about it and then decided to do it. When you think about working out and decide to do it, then work out, it causes you to feel great.

>>14641381
Absolutely, every thing in existence thinks.

>>14641431
this, it's more a statement about knowledge than existence

>>14641476
You misspelled existence in general.

>>14641487
We are talking about the human experience you troll

>there are some people not even on that level

>>14641508
isn't that all of reddits userbase?

>>14641519
Yes and a considerable majority of 4chan.

>>14641523
based. how do i turn off the annoying voice in my head? i really want to become an unironical bugman NPC.

>>14641536
Drink alcohol or ejaculate 3+ times per day. You have to experiment to find the desired balance.

>>14641536
I can turn mine on or off. I mostly keep it off because my internal monologue is an asshole. To turn it off I just do something I can only describe as a kind of 'swing' in my mind, it swings and soars about in the mental landscape from idea to idea with emotions and images sort of flickering around it. It's kind of incoherent but more pleasant than the monologue calling me a retard and telling me to attack people

>The body does not exist except as a thought. There is one thought. Everything exists in relationship to that one thought. That thought is 'me'. Anything you experience based on thought is illusion

>>14641544
This. Also read audiobooks of Murakami.

>>14641389
The "enlightenment" was a bunch of freemasons circlejerking their heretical philosophies

It should be:
I think therefore conscience is.

>>14641897
>brainlet

>>14641381
What the fuck is "I"???

>>14642177
There is none it's an illusion

>>14641381
You're all hopeless.
>I think.
>I am.
Assuming any correlation between the two is hubris.

>>14642191
Explain then cocksucker

>>14641381
who cares. He would torture animals in quest of where the soul is contained. That old white sicko shouldn't even be studied. ew.

>>14642211
>believing in a soul

God, Western philosophy is a meme

You get that his philosophy doesn't end there, right?

>>14641391
Poets are better than philosophers you stupid twat

>>14641381
>"I am, therefore I think"
I prefer "We think, therefore it is."

>>14641558
I can only do this when I’m driving or on the verge of sleep. It feels so fucking good but it lasts for such a short time. I just want a break. Fuck.

>>14642482
I jack off, therefore I coom

>>14642191
>You are
>all hopeless
Assuming any correlation between the two is hubris.

hah i copied your trick faggot now whose the stupid one

>>14641508
What a complete fuck up, he was blessed with ignorance but instead willingly chose to endure the nightmare self-discussions in one's own mind. I mock myself, insult myself, and think of retarded shit 24/7. This lucky and moronic bastard was free from this hell, yet still came crawling back as if he was missing out.

>>14641381
Jesus christ, all these people throwing away their lives with a hilo degree and none of you niggers can even into Decartes. The syllogism is not "I think therefore I am"
It's "I doubt, therefore I think,
I think, therefore I am."
Her certainty derives from his doubt. The one thing you can be certain of is your own ignorance. It's irrefutable and obvious. And since doubt is self evident, so too must be a doubter.
His mistake is to assume the sensation of awareness he experiences is "him" in the way he means it . He presupposes the "I"

>>14643189
>He presupposes the "I"

Which is the mistake

>>14641440
what is this subjectivist drivel?
>life is the enjoyment of emotion
what kind of jewish kike wrote this shit?

it doesn't address the statement in question at all, that cognition is proof of being, simply because this fucking moron doesn't have humanity and therefore doesn't understand the nature of the comment

it's something only a well-ordered mind can use
it's like a mantra almost, that triggers a sort of out-of-body, out-of-mind experience as the entire mind is observed all at once

it's a peculiar event and practicing it leads to true freedom, it's the aim of all true meditation

if you haven't experienced this you are not human

>>14642916
So you haven't tamed the left hemisphere beast of judgemental speech yet. It takes discipline and honesty, but once you take the reins of your life and become hyperfocused on your progress, that voice becomes praise.

>>14641508
Fucking Asian bugmen

>>14641381
more like im Descartes so it doesn't matter what I think

I am therefore I am. I think therefore I think.

>>14643251
>>14641381
how do you know?

you don't, you've never once in your life looked at yourself, and you never will, because you don't have free and you're not human

>>14643261
these absolute niggerkike savages will never do the work to look at themselves

"how do I know? how do I know that know? how much of me is real and how much is false? how do I know"
they are terrified of these lines of thought and probably associate them with insanity

the true power of the jew is ripping away the free will and replacing it with fear

>>14641536
Meditation.

>>14642220
The mind isn't located either, but it uses the body. The soul isn't located at all yet it uses the mind.

>>14643251
why hello Baruch

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>>14641404
that's what descartes says
>i think about perfection therefore God Is.

>>14641431
This is the same thing as saying
>I doubt therefore I doubt

>>14641381
Hard agree

>>14642177
First person singular pronoun, anon.
But in your case the schmalzy pretend exasperaTOR blithely posing this faux question via post.

>>14641456
Imagine being this stupid.

>>14643189
Refuted by the Americans.
"Americans do not think, yet they are."

>>14641404
>hasn't read descartes
Typically animeposterish

>>14641381
Remove the "therefore I think"
replace with "that I am"
Thereby recognizing the metaphysical center of all being, and work backwards- not just forwards- from there.