/lit/ - Literature

>>14651527
you diary, now shut up

>>14651527
we need to talk about kevin

>>14651527
kid's fucked. press f

>>14651560

God I fucking hate that book. It's so full of inconsistencies and the mother just decides that the kid is doomed as soon as he comes out, I'm like yeah, no wonder he turned out the way he did. Self-fulfilling prophecy.
Also the mother is supposed to be from an Armenian family but has the vernacular and speech pattern of a southern woman, when she meets another (black) mother when she's visiting the prison she even has an inner monologue about 'us white people', no Armenian would ever use that term, nor identify with this group.

Fuck that book and fuck naming your children Kevin.

>>14651655
armenians in american pretty much are considered white

>>14651527
Sons and lovers by DH Lawrence

>>14651655
i thought the self-fulfilling prophecy was text or at least subtext.

>>14651670

Doesn't matter, there's no way someone with two Armenian born parents would refer to her own family as 'us white folk'. You might be identified as white but 'us white folk' is such a southern USA expression.
If she was third generation, maybe, but for fucks sake.

>>14651715

Maybe. But it makes it damn near impossible for me to be invested in the story, I'm not one for 'muh likable characters' but to hear this bitch go on and on is just unbearable.

>>14651527

Dune

>>14651527
Holy cow, single mothers need to be gassed.

>>14651708
This. Was going to say this.

>>14651840
How do you know she's a single mom?
She could just be stay at home.
Anyway, some of this stuff isn't bad ideas to instill in your kid(being good with money, being responsible and respectful to everyone). I dont know why this women is teaching her son traditionalist values though. I guess she's onecof those fake feminists.

>>14651903
nope shes castrating the boy

>>14651527
Oedipus both ironically and unironically lol

>>14651527

>>14651946
>Teaching boys to respect everyone, including women is castration
I'll grant you the chivalry shit is stupid as I just said but is this really how you feel?

>>14651974

>>14651655
the whole point of the book is that it's ambiguous whether the kid was fucked from the start, or if he was ruined by his bitch mom.

>>14651974
wtf you have it backwards, faggot. chivalry is good, but this gay beta bucks shit is terrible and it just trains him to be nothing but a human wallet/emotional tampon.

>>14652171
Wow, okay.
>>14652257
Nah chivalry is dumb and being a human wallet for your useless completely dependent wife is part of that.
I think it's ridiculous how men equate respecting women with being unmanly. You can have a masculine gender expression without being a jerk and disrespecting women but I guess that's just my opinion.

>>14652288
I find the term 'respecting women' suspect because we never hear about teaching women to respect men

>>14652302
I'd expect any man to respect another mans property 2bh.

>>14652288
chivalry is about respecting woman, not women, its about acknowledging the dignity of the life-bearing gender. you're clearly a retarded woman yourself based on your terrible opinions.

>>14651527
Oedipus Rex

>>14651903
>How do you know she's a single mom?
Are you joking? Everything about that screams single mother, right down to the format, where she's prostituting her own life and child online for attention.

>>14652302
>>14652318
It's not. Women have been respecting men for ages and most still do.
Even when they criticize you for the shit you do, it's not out of disrespect for your person. Plus, they dont see you as an object.
If you see a girl, specifically a woman, disrespecting men because they're men, she is usually doing it ironically.
Regardless, most women respect men, now if only we can get the same thing the other way around, but alas, it's unmanly and you dont want to risk being seen as a faggot do you?
>>14652319
It's about acknowledging that the fairer sex is dainty and that you could destroy her at any moment.
It's a species of pity at best and condescension at worst.

>>14652346
There are plenty of married moms who post their kids on social media these days. You just dont browse social media much like most of the people here.
Not that I can re as lly blame you tbf

>>14652385
I reject your assertion that women respect men. If anything they seem on average much harsher towards men than men are towards women.

>>14651527
My Mother by Bataille
Stay away from Elementary Particles

>>14652385
>It's about acknowledging that the fairer sex is dainty and that you could destroy her at any moment.
This is completely true though. We need social conventions like chivalry to and marriage to prevent an all out rape-fest.

>>14651527
he is going to have severe psychological damage and a complete inability to relate to women erotically in a healthy way.

>>14651903
If you have to ask, anon....
also, post feet and/or tits

>>14652387
no-one is interested in your feeble apologetics

>>14652393
Harsh when criticizing in some respects but it's usually not out of disrespect or a feeling of total superiority. Definitely not harsher then alot of men can be towards women. About the same.
Like, if a girl butches you out for touching her ass in the middle of the street(which was you disrespecting her) or gets mad at you for... actually I can't really think of any instance women bitch at/insult men for basically being men that men dont do to them as well
Maybe making height or small pepe jokes but like, men make jusgement about girl's body types in the first place too so seems even.
Can you give me an example?

>>14652446
Type 'menaretrash' into twitter and then compare with the results for 'womenaretrash'

>>14652406
I disagree. We just need to have proper up bringing for boys(different from pic related) that emphasize that women are people too, more importantly with a father to model that.

>>14651974

not sure how others see it, but not everyone is worthy of respect.
when you train a child to respect everyone by default, you neuter that child and deny them the right of discrimination.

>>14652452
I dont have a Twitter account and I'm not making one just for this.
Plus, proof that reason is not just women with a lot of time on their hands tweeting more shit that men who have a lot of time on their hands. What was the context anyway?
I do agree there is a better way to voice your frustration with the shitty things some members of the opposite sex do then making such a hashtag.

>>14652481
You don't need an account, you can just search it. Anyway it is an example of women being much more harsh towards men than the reverse. Do you have an example of men being harsher?

>>14652467
True, to a degree. Define respect though. However, just because another person is disrespectful with no class, doesnt mean you have to stop to their level. Acknowledge their humanity and move on imo.

>>14652463
The idea that "women are people" and therefore deserve to be treated a certain way is just as much of a social construct as chivalry. What you see as "proper" and humane is just as historically contingent as any other form of gender relations. Whatever you decide to enforce is going to require more than just a little oppression and brainwashing.

>>14652487
Sorry, I was phone posting, I think that's why.
>do you have any examples of men being harsher?
Not necessarily harsher, just as harsh is what I was saying. You were saying that women are harsher. I'm saying they can be about the same.
This site for starters and parts of reddit.
Regardless, these tweets are in response to something aggravating or straight up disrespectful that men did to women. Again, it's not any different than men do. Slut shaming is still a thing that happens on the daily, despite feminist antislut shaming campaigns.
Besides that, women overall respect men's person. Most don't try to sexually harrass you, don't assume you're incompetent/all your opinions are invalid even if you're young and attractive(inb4 mansplaing, that's only on specific topics that only women experience and it's mostly tumblr feminists who say that shit), they respect your autonomy to make your own decisions for yourself that doesnt hurt anyone.

>>14652502
Are you saying men naturally view women as inferior in all ways or want to disrespect them?

>>14651527
Mother's Boys
>tfw your crazy serial killer mom with never /ss/ you

>>14652620
I said they were harsher because the menaretrash tag is way more popular than the one for women. You assert that women don't sexually harass or condescend to men but this is just not true in my experience.

>>14651527
Why did you post pic related? Are you being ironic? If so, try a Child named It.
Anyway, it's pretty sad that this type of relationship isn't explored much in literature and media. Same with father and daughter. It mostly gets explored in Disney movies, not really in nature works though.

>>14652676
Yeah, that particular hashtag more popular on Twitter. That doesn't rid my point.
>woman can sexually harass
I mean not usually. Men do it far more and have for a long time.
Tbf, part of what holds alot of women back is upbringing(girls just should be so forward) and lack of courage. Still. I think another part of it is that is not nice considering most know how it feels.

>>14652702
Can you find an equivalent to menaretrash for women that is popular on a mainstream site like twitter? And yes women do sexually harass all the time, it's just not taken seriously.

>>14651670
of course they are, ugh

>>14652713
>All the time
Now, anon. I agree its often not take seriously when it happens, mainly because of our culture that doesn't really take women seriously in the first place, but it's definitely not all the time or alot.
It happens all the time on mainstream sites and media only difference is men don't form a collective a collective around it like feminists do with #menaretrash
And it's not even always in response to disrespectful or annoying things women do. It's often just first hand disrespect, like many of the things these women are responding to.
Again, there's a better way to criticize than the blanket statement "men are trash" but I'm just stating what is happening here.

>>14651527
>teach your kids the value of a dollar...
>... to be spent on some bitch who tells you how to live you life and spend your money
ruff

>>14652744
Can you find something like menaretrash or not? You're just stating without evidence men do it too.

>>14652713
not the anon you're talking to but on the topic of women sexually harrassing men I just read a buzzfeed article (don't ask me why; mistakes were made) where it mentioned how all the women writers for the movie Tangled came up with the design for the guy in the movie by literally getting together and making a frankenstein image of all the boy parts they found sexy in men. I was not offended but I was overcome with the understanding that this would not be acceptable at all i the reverse (men designing Ariel from little mermaid by conglomerating a bunch of pictures of swimsuit models)

>>14651527
modern day mothers are terribly selfish, especially ones with a son and a daughter, they almost always befriend the daughter and ignore the son. modern mothers want their daughters to be their wine drinking pal at a certain age and its frustrating. most of my coworker milfs have cheated on their husbands.

>>14651527
Good way to ensure you kid is a fucking loser
Single mothers are a plague upon society

>>14652805
Wow, how terrible that she encourages her some to have. Temperament opposite of a gangster or criminal.

>>14652778
...but anon, that was how Ariel and most attractive female characters to this day were made.

>>14652784
Not true.
I'm 100% sure that my mom favors my brother to this day.
It all depends on the person.
Heres one thing a noticed, from families where they were the only boy or only girl, tend to get spoiled more and/or are usually the fav. My dad favors me.

>>14651903
>Anyway, some of this stuff isn't bad ideas to instill in your kid(being good with money, being responsible and respectful to everyone). I dont know why this women is teaching her son traditionalist values though. I guess she's onecof those fake feminists.
You goddamn retard. She's clearly unloading her past traumas of being abused by abusing his son in return, forcing him to please her mother's insecurities at demand. That's clearly not a healthy mother-son relationship, the kid is going to grow up fucked in the head.

>>14652849
Budding pediatrician here:
I haven't seen much of their interaction together to make that assumption for sure though. Yeah some of this post is cringe but there is nothing wrong with wanting your kid to be better then you are or trying your best to make sure they don't become a bad person like others in your life. There is certainly a good and bad way to go about it.

>>14652873
>pediatrician
Whatever you guys are doing is clearly not working, id sooner trust a victorian nanny than you lot

>>14652832
No it isn't

>>14652885
How?
Dont tell me you're a antivaxer.
I'm saying that her way of going about it may be bad but some of the things in her post were pretty good lessons. I'm sure we can all agree kids spend too much time on electronics rather than talking to other humans face to face. Alot of kids these days are bad with money, and many ills in this world could be fixed with people just showing others respect.
From what I'm seeing here so far, this kid will be a Momma's boy at worst. That's usually cringe but not the worst thing a guy could be.

>>14652873
>Buddhist pediatrician
WTF??

>>14652890
Yes. To top it off, if they aren't combining all the hosted traits on a woman in one character, they are making ones with impossible features. What girl has hair as red, long, and voluminous without extensions and a waist a thin as Ariel?

>>14652916
What? I s as said "budding." I'm a medfag, yes.

>>14652873
>budding pediatrician
>aka not a pediatrician in any sense/really intellectually insecure
fucking yikes, man

>>14652832
proof?
>>14652921
so you're basically just saying this because you don't want ot be wrong? I'm not telling you something I assumed-- the writers themselves admit to it.
ironically I actually watched a behind the scenes thing for little mermaid one time and all I recall is them talking about how the took footage of a woman in a space station with no gravity to base their physicis for animating ariels hair on

so, you're full of shit bro

She’s conditioning her son to grow up to be a beta male cuckold, who will undoubtedly have a shameful fetish for giving money for findoms, get easily used by gold diggers, or run himself into debt with premium snapchats/onlyfans subscriptions. If you don’t see this you’re a biased female or a cuck yourself.

>>14651527
All the best stories on literotica
My dream diary desu
>>14651788
IIRC Ridley Scott wanted to make an adaptation where Paul fucked his mother

>>14652928
Medfag. No, not a premed but actual medfag. Graduating soon.

>>14653062
I can see this. I just think that at least some of the things she is teaching him are still good.
He will grow up to be a momma's boy..maybe but at least not as bad as most boys of single moms end up(criminals and complete fuck ups). That is assuming she is a single mom for some reason. Though, I can't see a man in that profile pic with her kids very well so probably.

>>14651972
do you know how fucking sad that book makes me

>>14652934
Fine, for Ariel specifically they may not have hodge-poged all the most attractive girls a live but her hair and waist is still pretty unobtainable naturally.
I'm talking about other attractive female characters as well, not just Ariel so how do you disprove my point?
I'm not saying those writers in Tangled didn't do that. I didn't even say women "do not" /"cannot" sexually harass men. I'm just saying they usually don't, and definitely not to the magnitude that men do.
Girls

>>14653133
You’re still just kind of inferring into the wind; I don’t necesaroly disagree with what you’re saying, it’s just (1) you’re providing no prooof while every rebute of your points HAS included examples and (2) you’re points are so vague they can essentially encompass everything I say as well