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14808835 No.14808835 [Reply] [Original]

How can this issue be remedied?

>> No.14808844

>>14808835
Roommates or mooching off others, but those are just alternative ways of 'affording it.'

>> No.14808849

>>14808835
>You can only live on this planet if you can afford it
no shit

>> No.14808853

>>14808835
public libraries, even a hobo has the potential to write.

>> No.14808854

>>14808835
This is absolute nonsense. Many artists and writers weren't rich, had to work jobs but just took it as a given.
>t. Bukowski, Van Gogh, Satie, Twain, the list goes on

>> No.14808866

>>14808854
van gogh was a trustfund baby who relied on his brother to support him.

This isn't that controversial a statement. It's next to impossible to support yourself with your writing. And writing takes time and energy that a job sucks out of you.

>> No.14808869

>>14808835
>implying it should

>> No.14808874

>>14808835
what issue?

>> No.14808886
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14808886

>>14808866
>And writing takes time and energy that a job sucks out of you.
Whatever you say buddy, keep coping

>> No.14808890

>>14808835
Why do you think so many writers become journalists?

>> No.14808896

>>14808866
Hemingway was broke in Paris too right?

>> No.14808898

>>14808886
But anon, Kafka himself complained his job sucked away energy he wished he could use for his writing! I get your point tho

>> No.14808899

>>14808866
if you feel entitled to monetary compensation for your artistic pursuits you were never gonna make it in the first place

>> No.14808901

>>14808886
ya, the man who didn't even have enough time to finish any of his novels is a good example of how easy it is to work and write. lmao

>> No.14808927
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>>14808835
UBI

>> No.14808940

>>14808854
>unable to list any successful writers who were also dirt poor from this century
It might’ve been possible back then when there was a lot less people on the planet and the market wasn’t so saturated, but not so much anymore.

>> No.14808945

>>14808901
>how easy it is to work and write
Never said that it was easy. Kafka still became one of the most influential authors of the century. This is just leftist victimhood mentality.
>"NOOOO IM A CREATIVE I DESERVE MONEY IF I CANT WORK AND WRITE NO ONE CAN"
Pathetic

>> No.14808946

>>14808927
>give everyone €1000 dollars a month
>suddenly a gas station sandwich costs €50
Yang is a fucking moron

>> No.14808949

>>14808945
Why are dragging politics into this when it’s not even relevant to the discussion? Too many lefties living in your head rent free?

>> No.14808957

>>14808946
Well it's a good job I've never bought a sandwich from a gas station. I make all my own food.

>> No.14808960

>>14808940
>>unable to list any successful writers who were also dirt poor from this century
The problem is that there is no concensus yet who the great writers of this century are. If we're only going by success, Andy Weir did pretty well dispite having a job while writing the Martian.
>>14808949
not an argument

>> No.14808963

>>14808946
it wouldn't be striking like that, a UBI rationally implemented would imply ending all other types welfare like unemployment or sick leave or food stamps or whatever

>> No.14808976

>>14808927
Based

>> No.14808991

I don't agree with the premise of this article. Right now you can write an entire novel through free computer programs, edit using other services, create your own cover and design through a £9.99 Photoshop subscription, self-publish through Amazon, and then promote your book through free social media profiles. You could potentially reach thousands by doing this.

The REAL issue in 2020 is publishers trying to 'solve the injustices of the past' by rejecting a large degree of white male applications to ensure L'akwokwa can publish her fourth collection of poetry barely expressing racism and sexism through a subtle lens.

>> No.14809001

>>14808991
spittin' some real hard truth there brotha

>> No.14809011

>>14808991
That's not it.

>> No.14809013

>>14808899
this

>> No.14809023

>>14808835
>you can only be an [ARTIST] if you can afford
This has been the case for all of history. This isn't anything new. You either start with money, or you live poor. The only difference is that slightly more people gain some financial stability or even success while alive, as opposed to becoming famous and making their estate money after death.
>how can this issue be remedied?
Is there a reason to remedy it, other than you want to be a writer but the idea of having to struggle instead of gaining instant success seems unfair?

>> No.14809032

>>14808835
If you really care, there are plenty of ways to survive and still work on your art. Get a part time job, hopefully with health insurance, and then get a roommate, or preferably multiple roommates, in a cheapass apartment. If you care about having a nice apartment with the latest gadgets, a new car, etc. etc. you don't care about your craft enough and don't deserve success. Of course if you're born rich you can have all those things.

>> No.14809047

>>14808835
>libraries no longer free
>price of pencil and paper skyrockets
Dark times indeed

>> No.14809058

great writers of the past who were poor often had manual jobs that required little to no mental effort so they could think about shit at work and have the mental energy to write when they got home. The problem is most people who want to be writers have white collar office jobs that suck the brain juices out of you and leave you a corpse in your free time. Just work construction or something and free your mind for your writing. It's all just a cope anyway if someone has something great to write they'll find a way.

>> No.14809059

>>14809023
>other than you want to be a writer but the idea of having to struggle instead of gaining instant success seems unfair?
this kills the fame-thirsty OP

>> No.14809062

>>14808960
Well, that and we live in a time with next to no coherent philosophy or spirit. It's fairly difficult to produce transcendental and long lasting art in a time between two orders, especially when you are having significant difficulties doing the basics of providing for yourself. A large portion of that is the intensity of competition in a nearly instantaneous global marketplace requiring almost 24/7 dedication to remain relevant. A large portion of that is the nearly incoherent cultural system in which most people are living. It's very difficult to meditate on truth and produce something reflective of it when nobody really knows the boundaries of the post-Faustian culture because they change with the tides of Twitter trends.

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>>14809047
>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU NEED THE CURRENT MACBOOK (TM) AND HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS TO SPEND ON STARBUCKS COFFEE IN ORDER TO BE A WRITER

>> No.14809071

>>14808946
>dont you understand that if you have more money, then your corporate-owner and investor lords will just take more from you?! JUST BE A GOOD SERF AND PRODUCE AND CONSUME
I can't live outside society without society coming to demand I participate or die, and I can't live in society without either being the hand turning the crank or the meat in the grinder.
Low IQ livestock screech about how upsetting this would be some sort of unprecedented travesty that flies in the face of logic and natural forces, while ignoring that they are supporting a purely synthetic economic system that has been insulated against entry, competition, and growth (unless you make yourself a vassal to whatever owner/investor lord will beneficently take you under wing so he can get richer off you). They ignore that this system is disrupting the natural order of human life and literally killing the planet.
If you suggest any solution to this, the elite need not even defend themselves: the serfs are so thoroughly indoctrinated, they'll rise up in defense with protests of communism or some such (the newest popular parrot-talking-point is "Why do you hate successful people"?) Some people had religion and others had kings. We got rid of both and people worshiped owners and investors for a while. Then vapid celebrity and consumerism (as engineered by the owners and investors). Now, some people are starting to worship the proposed solution to the previous deity, and are making liberalism a god.
There's a reason why geniuses usually kill themselves, and I think it mostly has to do with becoming aware of how barbaric we are and having the realization that they can do nothing about it, despite being barbaric. You'll never convince the common man to be much more than livestock to the robber barons, and you'll never convince robber barons to have decency since they worship themselves instead of social norms. We'll rotate again and again into cycles of a portion of awareness, but eventually whatever form that awareness takes on will simply become more iconography and the critical thought will leave.

I'd like to believe we can do better than this, but I'm forced to face the reality that such thoughts are likely a coping mechanism or simply another Stirner-esque spook I'm worshiping. If the last 10,000 years of human history demonstrate anything, I think we're stuck here.

>> No.14809075

>>14809058
absolutely based
I'll publish a poetry collection soon and all the poems in there have been 'written' on a shitty notepad phone app I use during commute, lunch breaks or by the fireplace before going to bed
I don't even have 'writing sessions' nor the time for them, the only time I sat down to write was to compile them all for submission

>> No.14809081

>muh artistic integrity depends on poverty and obscurity
this is peak ideology

>> No.14809087
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>>14808853
A hobo has arguably more opportunity to write than someone who pays bills.
>food 100% free in majority of continental US
>shelters everywhere if you don't do drugs
>in comfy temp states, you can just rough it
>spend all day writing in the public library
>use cheap USB drive, walk around campuses to pick one up free even
>water from fountains in parks, or offered at stores
You have to choose not to be a writer if you are homeless. And even if you're a wagie barely scraping by, there are plenty of opportunities for free or subsidized food and supplies that involve both charity and welfare. Material wealth and comfort have never been better for such a wide population and you have to choose not to take advantage of it. Pride doesn't even count and is a sin, anyway. This isn't even counting getting a tiny bit of help from family, like delivering you some canned goods every week or helping your electricity bills or rent.
>>14808866
>a job sucks out of you
Not if you're part time, which is readily available and easy to live off of, more than any other point in history. Or take part in the gig economy and work as long as you want in order to fund more leisure time.

>> No.14809090

>>14809071
based and blackpilled

>> No.14809104

>Muh money
Most writers had intellectual jobs they worked at alongside writing, either teaching at a HS or a university level or working as a translator or an editor for literary journals.
Some were noblemen or had patrons.

>> No.14809107

>>14808835
>B-but, if you're a wagie you have no free time to write!
Bruh, most jobs are 8 hour shifts, most people sleep about 8 hours a day, factor in commute time and other tasks like preparing food and cleaning up and you still have like 5 hours a day to do whatever.
The problem is you're spending all that free time shitposting on 4chan instead of writing.

>> No.14809109

>>14809064
While this is true, it is nice every once in a while to go out somewhere outside your room to write. Also, it allows you to observe the world and write based on it.

>> No.14809128

>>14809109
Most cafe's will sell you black coffee for a dollar, and a cheap chromebook is perfectly functional for writing. I'd assume the time investment of writing is the most expensive substitute you're making.

>> No.14809147

>>14809071
I sympathize and mostly agree with this, anon, but $1000 a month to everyone isn't natural. How is subsidizing millions of worthless wastes of meat out of some sense of fairness and morality, natural? Western aid to Africa is contributing to enormous population growth that would never happen otherwise. We're just creating subservient consumers. And who is to say UBI collectors aren't subject to loopholes, such as sterilization, total privacy invasion, etc? The whole idea is just edging in the same statist desire for micromanaging everyone's lives. Yang might as well be replaced with Amazon or China or the EU or [insert authority]. I cannot provide any alternatives or solutions, just point out that UBI is a trojan horse for further enslavement. And thinking back on it, it has been happening since the beginning of civilization. Millennia have passed and sure, the hunter-gatherer period lasted longer, but this is pretty darn natural for us at this point. Some people are simply bred to be cattle and some are bred to be kings. Who is who can shift gradually but the underlying structure has been the same for so long that it might be wrong to call it unnatural. There is likely no escape. All that matters is power; that and dynasty (or legacy to be more accurate).

>> No.14809193

>>14809058
Absolutely this. Been in software development for over ten years and the only time I can write is when I take time off. What are some comfy manual labour jobs to get into lads? Particularly ones that aren't going to ruin my back.

>> No.14809210

>>14809087
You forgot that being a hobo is illegal in many places, so is begging for food or sleeping rough etc.

>> No.14809230

>>14809210
>being a hobo is illegal
the absolute state of america lmao

>> No.14809234

>>14809210
What are
>soup kitchens
>college/school/church pantries
>dumpster diving
>shelters in every major city
>churches with cots
Some will even let you sleep on the damn pews if you aren't a drug addict. Just be a nice, normal person and unless you're in a bumfuck town of 500 people, you have easy opportunities to sustain yourself like nowhere else in the world with zero effort. Hell, you can take your chances in the rough by claiming a spot in some thick bushes. I've actually done this and it's easy as hell. And if you can hustle a bit with collecting cans for awhile, you can afford a gym membership for showers. It's not easy living, you'll get a bit grungy, you'll be around "icky bugs", people will look at you funny, etc. You have to CHOOSE to starve or be actually retarded/mentally ill. In the latter's case, yeah, it's tragic and Reagan fucked up in shutting down state facilities for long term care.

>> No.14809287

>>14809058
you never worked in construction

>> No.14809310

>>14809193
Only thing that comes close to 'comfy' is something like a forklift driver

but I seriously doubt you'll be much at ease working for minimum wage and all possible hours of the day

>> No.14809313

>>14808886
>hated his job and worked max 6 hours a day
>says the best time of his life when he was deathly ill but actually had time for himself

Continue to cope wagies

>> No.14809320

>>14808946
Then a different restaurant would undercut that sandwich price, then again and again till it’s 2 dollars again.
Thanks Capitalism for making UBI a possibility :^)

>> No.14809322

>>14809058
Have you ever worked manual labor? Depending on how heavy it is it leaves you just as much a zombie. This whole distinction between physical/mental energy is a meme.

>> No.14809332

>>14808835
>tfw
i've only managed to write novels while unemployed or working part-time. i just can't if i'm enslaved 40 hours a week with 3 hours a day of commute. i can't. i get home and i'm tired mentally.
>>14808886
>posts the guy who never managed to finish his writing
u sure showed me bruh

>> No.14809335

>>14809193
Plumber. Dunno about the rest of the world byt here in Britbongistan, plumbers work 3 days a week and write their own pay cheques. It can be super cushy. Mostly get your cash from non negotiable call out fees.

>> No.14809356

>>14809335
>the world byt here in Britbongistan, plumbers work 3 days a week and write their own pay cheques
It is not like this for most people working in the trades. It's just as shit as any regular job.

>> No.14809364

>>14809147
Not him but you are already subsidizing millions no matter what. their mere existence is bouyed up by police patrols and emergency rooms and infrastructure costs for roads and schools and heavily subsidized school supplies wtc. Thats before you actually even get to the part where you give them some money. Those are passive services.

>> No.14809373

>>14809356
all the tradesworkers i know (most of my family are blue collar) have a crippling injury by age 40 and spend the rest of their life in pain. and they're all poor as shit. 30k-40k a year at most.

>> No.14809376

>>14809356
Sure but the difference is that you will have shitty days rebuilding a whole pipe system in a renovated farm house and other days of just getting called out for a stop cock change or screwing in a fixture or two. Imagine if you just had one day a week extra where you had energy enough to turn out 10 solid pages of good writing.

>> No.14809378

>>14809373
Exactly, there is a reason most people don't actually want to work a trade.

>> No.14809383

>>14808835
Any other redpillers see that picture and think about black cocks gangbanging the white girl? God I’m so hard right now.

>> No.14809406

>>14808960
>not an argument
Neither is "victimhood leftist mentality", and the rest of your post can be easily dismissed with this post here >>14809313. Are you out to lunch or something?

>> No.14809411

>>14809058
Drive a forklift.

>> No.14809426

>>14809373
And I have an office job and my back is dead. One sports injury that would have been repaired with lots of walking is now chronic and killing me.

>> No.14809468

>>14809383
i'm trans btw

>> No.14809469

>sleep 8 hours, work 8 hours
>commute 1 hour, eating/chores 2 hours
>5 hours of free writing time
>write at snail's pace of 10 words per minute
>600 words per hour * 5 = 3,000 words per day
>not counting weekends with way more free time, that's 365 * 3000 = 1,095,000 million words per year
>can get a few novels out a year with this
>cut it by maybe 60% total with editing in revising
>still 657,000 words per year
Unless you're a backbreaking pajeet working 14 hours every day in the call center, you can pump out writing if you actually cared to.

>> No.14809507

>>14808835
Alan Moore was basically a NEET until he broke into comics

>> No.14809532

>not brainstorming and plotting and writing your stuff mentally every day during commute which is the best place to think about stuff because your brain is half busy driving so you don't lose concentration
it's like you whiny faggots are fucking retards
even better if your commute consists of public transport, use your phone for something useful for a change

>> No.14809538

>>14809426
I have an office job and walk about 2 hours a day. that is your own fault.

change up your sitting positions frequently and walk around and stretch, and replace a car commute with walking or cycling.

>> No.14809593

>>14808991
white male detected. Show me your "groundbreaking," "innovative" and "imaginative" writings that aren't being given a fair shake and i'll show you tripe

>> No.14809596

>>14809538
>replace a car commute with walking or cycling.
If you live in Amerifat odds are that might not be possible.

>> No.14809603

>>14809058
here is a man who never roofed in the summer

>> No.14809622

>>14809234
such services are woefully inadequate where i lived for 5 years (L.A.)

>> No.14809628

>>14809532
>having a long enough commute to have time to think

>> No.14809635

journalism degree

>> No.14809648

Kill all billionaires and redistribute their wealth.

>> No.14809672

>>14809335
Fuck yourself, handyman. And quit larping as an actual plumber.

>> No.14809677

>>14809622
I believe you but did you try shopping around? I've never been to LA but that's a huge sprawling metropolis. There had to be one decent spot with a shelter/library/restaurant combo between Simi Valley and Irvine. Also, doesn't LA wax and wane in its homeless acceptance? Sometimes they make it easier, sometimes harder. I remember hearing that you can sleep in tents as long as you take it down by a certain hour. That seems nice and better than a shelter, honestly, due to some privacy. As for food, you have to choose to starve. My friend was homeless for 2 years and became obese due to dumpster diving in the central valley. Sure it's "illegal" but just find the right spot or strike an agreement with some employee who dumps the unused pizzas or produce. There are so many stores and restaurants to choose from in LA it is impossible to starve and the only thing stopping you is pride. It's very safe to eat that shit if you make sure there aren't bugs on it and it's not dumped in the same container as diapers and tissues and such.

If you live somewhere where there are simply no churches, no shelters, tents are illegal, and cops often arrest for vagrancy then shit, just save up enough cash to take a Greyhound to a city that's more hospitable. Florida or California, your pick. There's a reason there are so many of them here. It's easy living if you play your cards right and can think straight.

>> No.14809683

>>14808940
we're at a point where a lot of artists (myself included) would *rather* be a dirt poor NEET but with time to focus on their work, opposed to a wagie sucked dry of their time and energy.

crazy that not only being poor is a preference, but at the same time it is harder to swing it than ever.

>> No.14809716

>>14809071
>and literally killing the planet.
lol

>> No.14809745

>>14809648
How are you going to redistribute the wealth?

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>>14809071
Now you realize why people eventually come to turn to God; any hope of solutions lie with him alone.

>> No.14809803

>wagecucks that have never heard of Eric Hoffer still whining

Kek

>> No.14810044

>>14809593
Seething obese tranny detected.

>> No.14810129

>>14808835
You can only be alive if you can afford it. Not even the air is free, it comes at some sort of a cost or at expense of something else. Moronic premise. As for practical reply, part time work, freelance work, self employment or some sort of passive income. It's inexpensive to write, only thing that is at great cost is the time required. That also applies to anything.

>> No.14810240

>>14808853
This article exists because women now dominate the publishing industry. Since women have been pampered and sheltered for millennia, they expect the same when working. Can anyone find old male screed over low pay of writers?

>> No.14810333

>>14809596
i am american and have lived in 2 cities and do just that. it's possible. just stop being fat and lazy and move to a decent city, not flyoverlandia.
>>14809648
only if we start with such creatures as the rothschilds. eat the rich, bro. the actual rich, not same petty bougies circa 200k/annum income. go after the big shadow money.

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>>14809469
What are hobbies, girlfriend/boyfriend, family, friends, going for a walk, gym, shitposting on a mongolian basket weaving forum, READING or other entertainment, TRAVELLING?
I sure hope you have something else going for you instead of just working and sleeping, anon?

>> No.14810517

>>14808946
A thousand dollars extra for everyone would not cause inflation. It's just not enough money to do so.

>> No.14810524

>>14810488
we all know about life, son, but anon's point was that if you prioritise writing you can do it despite your financial situation.

>> No.14810584

>>14810333
>to a decent city, not flyoverlandia.
Okay so just get a high paying job in a super rich jew hive like jew york or san francisco so I can live in a place that's either public transportation friendly or dense enough for me to do without a car.

>> No.14810607

>>14809803
>Eric Hoffer
I don't understand, how did he become an adjunct professor without having a degree?

>> No.14810640

>>14808898
If Kafka didn't meet with the beucratic hell of his job, would his work be as good?

>> No.14810645

>>14810584
yes. what part of that confuses you?

>> No.14810649

>>14808835
It's a pretty new phenomenon to be able to do art for arts sake, unless you were Noble and bored.
In the past creation existed if patrons paid for it - or as a noble past time.

>> No.14810654

>>14810645
Sorry, not all of us were born to rich jew parents who can get them any job anywhere they want.

>> No.14810678

>>14808946
Only people who have Bachelor's degrees in something deemed useful from Universities in USA should be allowed UBI. Problem solved.

>> No.14810679

>>14809087
No. The hobo is going to spend 90% of his time walking from place to place, trying to survive and get basic necessities, because there is virtually no place in the US that permanently houses or provides for a homeless person and he is constantly going to have to go to different places to continue getting services.

>> No.14810702

>>14808835
Actually it's
A. if you can afford it
B. you have a lot of connections you can mooch off of/rich parents (another way of affording it

The same also applies to being educated, btw.

>> No.14810720

We aren't truly free. To be free you need to have money.

>> No.14810730

Writing is not capital intensive. The image in the OP suggests that one needs constant pampering , coddling, snuggling and treats to be a writer. Nonsense. You need paper and a pencil (or the computerized equivalents). The only scarcities are time and willpower to write. Even writing a single page a day will give you a 365 page book at the end of the year.
The challenging part is the networking and connections, access to agents and editors, contacts with the publishing industry, but this is more a byproduct of status than money generally speaking although the two are often enough concomitant.

>> No.14810735

>>14810720
>free on what level of analysis
>how much money?
>financial security in what form?
>how much debt is okay?
>where?
>how does the amount of money relate to other factors?
questions that might bring usa further to truth than those half-truths you wrote

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>>14810730
this. as someone who chose reading as hobby because it is dirt-cheap and available in the outskirts of society, it pisses me off that someone brought this cheap video onto my beloved board. it's but another "if you are x (insert travelling, helping the poor, camwhoring) you are priviledged af" video. much woke, very truth.

>> No.14810761

>>14808854
Van Gogh's living and art expenses were funded by his rich bro

>> No.14810774

If something needs to be expressed through you, if a book has chosen you as its conduit, you will find a way to write it no matter the odds.

>> No.14810777

>>14810730
Yeah and how do you get more "time" to write? By being wealthy. If you have enough money you can basically "buy" time. And how do you get access to agents, networks and connections and contracts? By being wealthy.

>> No.14810917

>>14810777
Nice trips. You can make time if you really want to. Holding down a regular 9 to 5 isn't going to make life easier as a writer.
Having money certainly makes it easier, as with all things in life. Where there is a will there is a way. An editor/agent etc makes it easier but is not necessary. Or make a good literate friend to be your editor.
You're just being defeatist and making excuses

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>>14810584
>noooo you can't just expect me to take initiative and try things! I demand a 200 acre ranch and half a million dollar salary or else I can't possibly write!

There are literally people working minimum wage and living in Manhattan anon. What sort of nepotism are you implying is needed to get a job bagging groceries at Whole Foods or working as a night watchman and a room in an old triple-decker?

>> No.14811390

>>14811230
Actually in a lot of cases you unironically need some kind of nepotism or connections to get those jobs too

>> No.14811996

>>14809230
There is a logic to anti-vagrancy laws. Look what's happened to LA, SF, Seattle etc.

>> No.14811998

>>14808835
Gulags.

>> No.14812001

>>14809087
You'll get shanked in those shelters.

>> No.14812010

>>14811230
>get a job bagging groceries at Whole Foods
You need to be an attractive woman, a teenager or a retired old person to get those jobs

>night watchman
The security meme is dead, you need to be hired for it through an agency (which you need credentials to be eligible)

>> No.14812026

>>14809593
They built everything for you

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>>14808849
Liberals thought they were keeping this a secret

>>14808835
End capitalism

>> No.14812045

>>14808866
Good. Who cares if the mediocre dilettantes working menial jobs don't shit out whatever pablum they would have shopped around to agents looking for what will sell? Better that the only ones that produce are those that feel the absolute need to do so. If your voice is not so desperate that it can overcome material adversity, it would have added nothing to the depth of the canon.

>> No.14812130

>>14812010
>The security meme is dead, you need to be hired for it through an agency (which you need credentials to be eligible)
I work graveyard shift security, for one of the big companies (Securitas). If you can pass a drug test they'll pretty much hire you, they have very high turnover so they're desperate. They keep a lot of people part-time (I work 4 days a week), and the pay is shit/benefits nonexistent. But all I do at work is sit with my laptop, in a gatehouse or my car, and generally no workers or anybody ever comes around. The only credentials you need are online tests you can finish in a few hours.

>> No.14812189

>>14808835
Somehow society can afford to pay $100,000 per person to provide food, shelter, health care etc to a prisoner, but artists and intellectuals are shit out of luck.

>> No.14812232

>NOOOOOO I DESERVE TO BE PAID TO MAKE MY USELESS, SHITTY, """ART"""

lmao

>> No.14812286

>>14808835
Fernando Pessoa was poor, had a day job translating letters for international companies. Marcel Duchamp also had a day job because he actually didn't like making money from his art since he thought it was fucking with his vision.
I say that if you stop using the internet on the computer, and delete youtube and facebook from your phone you will see how much free time you actually have

>> No.14812290

>>14812189
commit a crime then you fucking coward

>> No.14812316

>>14810678
>low iqs plebeans failing for the bourgeois meme of getting an education should get free money

>> No.14812317

Can confirm being a forklift driver is comfy, brought home like $450 a week and my weekly rent was only $160 so lived pretty ok. Just fucking type on something and self-publish or something. If you seriously bitch about a 40 hour week you are weak. 8 hour workday, 8 hours sleep, 6 hours freetime, 2 hours preparing for work and commuting is nice

>> No.14812319

>>14809058
this man is right. i will continue shilling farm work on this site til the last wagie resigns.

>> No.14812390

>>14808835
You can write from jail. Or if you live in a civilized country, be a neet.

Obviously being rich offers tons of benefits but writing is one of the few things when it's the least relevant sans maybe coding. And it has downsides too, someone lacking serious struggles will have a much harder time (no pun) trying to write something decent and will be most likely stuck writing dreck for the bookclubs of white middle class women.

>> No.14812401

>>14812189
>>14812290
So is murder the best remedy? Or maybe something like securities fraud if you're only writing a novella?

>> No.14812460

>>14812401
steal stuff, cause that at least will be fun

>> No.14812532

>>14808866
just do poetry on the spot with a typewriter in a city you fucking idiot. make connections, save the good stuff, edit endlessly, write for yourself, hone your skills. I fucking hate you cowards that don't make your own opportunities because you rely on the death pit that is sharing poetry or writing solely online in hopes of clout when nobody fucking cares. you are in a sea online. go out into the real world and meet other artists. make friends. grow up and grow your art. why do I return to this site when it is just the same shit sniffling complaints from people that have nothing of value to say even if they were paid the rest of their lives to write.

>> No.14812599

If you're writing to be successful nothing you're writing is probably worthwhile reading.

>> No.14812973

>>14808866
van gogh wasnt a 'trustfund' baby.
all the friench painters of the time in those circles were broke as fuck and perpetually borrowing the same 5 francs back and forth from each other. I dont think theo was "rich"- he just had a job - as an art dealer - and because he appreciated his brother. he funded his art.

and now our museums are filled with the paintings of these fucking broke begging bastards who chose to refuse and not to stop trying.

>> No.14812999

Maybe we should all suffer honestly
and continue to write
despite the fact our limbs are feeble and our hands chopped off for stealing bread.

>> No.14813510

>>14809745
mr robot style

>> No.14813515

>>14808835
Its interesting how the victimhood narrative infantilizes the poor these days.

> Poors are too busy to write
> Poors are too stressed to eat well
> Poors are too busy to water a tree (This one made me laugh, from a 99% Invisible podcast claiming shade was too privileged).

Our wholehearted embrace of victim worship now means that we cannot allow any accountability for anyone with a hint of any disadvantage.

>> No.14813531

>>14810730
>but this is more a byproduct of status than money generally speaking although the two are often enough concomitant.

And so is IQ/Talent, and that's the elephant in the room that is so blasphemous in media discourse.

>> No.14813544

>>14808899
>artistic pursuits
are we really only talking about the fiction writers, and are we really going to ignore the merits of art within the context of civilization.

>> No.14813553

>>14813515
Do not also take a relative extreme counter position.

>> No.14813566

>>14813515
Do people who claim these also suggests to poorfags to quit trying? Accountability and recognizing the countless obstacles in the way of advancement aren't opposed, if anything being more aware of the obstacles and the traps, can help to avoid them. It always felt more like simply pointing out problems privileged people wouldn't even consider when judging less privileged ones.

>>14813510
>yeah, let's give Burger coomsumers more money to spend on coomsuming
>also fuck actually poor people who could need it for survival
Though at least the shit seemed in character.

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>>14808835
my hand on the ass nd thighs

>> No.14813756

>>14813566
I think my issues with the infantilism are twofold:

First, it suggest all barriers are systemic, and none internal. It's the structure of the economy that is keeping you from writing a book...not your lack of effort. This of course, has the effect of making people give up.

Second, the hunting down and identifying of "systemic barriers" has become so lazy, at this point its the only explanatory tool in the media for any type of phenomenon. Why dont Women play video games? Why dont minorities play Hockey? Why dont poor people have shade? All roads lead to systemic oppression these days. I'm in absolute agreement that actual systemic oppression is alive these days, but its not lurking around every corner...... "to the man with a hammer, every problem is a nail".

>> No.14813853

>>14813756
>It's the structure of the economy that is keeping you from writing a book...not your lack of effort.
I don't know, that's not how I would interpret a barrier. More of "that's making it harder for you to write a book than someone who wouldn't have to deal with it". If someone gives up due stuff being harder for them, they probably wouldn't make it either way. It's a hard business even for middle class fags. As are most arts, sports or similar fields. A person without serious self-belief never had a chance.

Now in a general sense, sure, you're right and there is a risk that defeatism pops up (though constant failure without being able to gasp the factors leading to it, easy could lead to defeatism over time too.

Also how much worse would it really be compared to the other extreme of blind optimism a la American dream when people not only think being a basic wagecuck will somehow elevate their position massively but also vote and act according to their future hopes, and in turn fucking their present. And then when the very likely failure does happen, they fall for pills, suicide, self-blame, stress eating and whatever else. On the other hand, having the barriers acknowledged helps to make a better plan. Obviously it can be easy overdone but outside of some doomer equivalent on Twitter I rarely saw anyone going "fuck it, might as well give up", even when browsing sites absolutely obsessed by the topics.

>but its not lurking around every corner
It really kinda does though, just the effects aren't always super direct and obvious, or THAT strong, plus the interplay of different ones ... well, it does make it messy. Taking a deeper look wouldn't have a neat resolution with a single answer, so I doubt it's a narrative most publications could be able to sell. Nuance isn't sexy.

Also damn, that shade thing. Couldn't open the Times article but apparently there is even in a fucking book.
https://books.google.de/books?id=S477mS0wS0cC&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=Why+dont+poor+people+have+shade?&source=bl&ots=BLwPrg4y0l&sig=ACfU3U0YEZOV0qGiOGNqvo9WA_Nf02Mr3A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiFjs6ysPnnAhUQfMAKHashAg0Q6AEwCXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=Why%20dont%20poor%20people%20have%20shade%3F&f=false

>> No.14813898

>>14808835
stop making excuses for yourself and come to terms with the fact that you have absolutely nothing meaningful to say and no amount of material resources are ever going to change that

>> No.14813912

>>14812317
That's not pretty OK. That's pretty awful and such a bad quality of life you're better off in a monestary, the foreign legion, prison, or an insane asylum.

>> No.14813914

>>14813898
Stopped reading after the brainlets favorite cop out phrase.

>> No.14813917

>>14809058
I'm a management consultant at a top 10 firm (hard weeks are 80-100hrs/wk and average 55) and still have had the mental energy to:
>Write a novel
>Write 150+ poems
>Develop my own philosophy on human creation and freedom
Cope harder.

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>>14808835
Read this one? It's really the same for women as for men.

>> No.14813921

>>14813917
That may be but is your shit good shit or bad shit? Also you have money to make yourself comfortable.

>> No.14814317

>>14808946
Yes, those vast sums of money should be going to bail out failed banks and to support our greatest ally, Israel.

>> No.14814341

>>14813917
>Develop my own philosophy on human creation and freedom

Enlighten us, please.

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"Lovecraft was never able to provide for even basic expenses by selling stories and doing paid literary work for others. He lived frugally, subsisting on an inheritance that was nearly depleted by the time he died. He sometimes went without food to be able to pay the cost of mailing letters."

Imagine dying of cancer and malnutrition eating cans of beans and stale bread, writing on scraps because you can't afford paper