/lit/ - Literature

>>14948499
>destroys
Nothing is ever destroyed, insect. It merely changes.

There is no help for you. You have rejected the universal truths, your mind too weak to cope with the nature of reality, and thus you are doomed to torment. There is no hope for you.

>>14948499
The Holy Bible

>>14948522
Why can't it change in the OPPOSITE direction, then?

>>14948499
Why Liberalism Failed by Patrick Deneen is literally about this.

To "free yourself" from liberalism, you should read the Greeks and Romans.
And maybe think about something like "The Benedict Choice" for the long term.

>>14948543
The Benedict option is cope for cowards like Rod Dreher.

You should tackle the difference between it's and its first.

>>14948552
Well, is there a better strategy in the short run?
Liberals have all the power and they are not exactly honest when defending liberalism.

>>14948535
Because it is not an axis, it is a manifold. Where you imagine a line, it is more like a knot. When moving in one "direction" according to a single topology that you focus on, it intransitively affects the innumerable others in differing directions, with no rhyme or reason according to any known system.

Tradition is unpreservable because the microstates of material reality only increase along the arrow of time. Each iteration of attempting to recreate past events becomes an even cheaper imitation than the last. New events emerge, stronger than the old ways by virtue of recency, and they draw and quarter the past to cannibilize it. Whitehead understood this as as the concresence of nexūs, derived from novelty, manifested into being.

Eschew the fairy tale. Remove the wedding veil from your eyes. Hear the beat of the drums and enter the maze. Here is that demon, Fear, an egregore most powerful. Mangle its body and make a display so gruesome that the highest archdemons wish to avert their eyes. Venture into domains neither light nor darkness dare tread. Be the perverter of their own fairy tale, and make them wish for the days of hellfire and gnashing teeth.

>>14948499
Get real insane and sell your insanity.

what culture is being destroyed? you can still dance around in wheat fields in viking clothes if you really want to

>>14948628
Radio play music about sex and drugs and violence and thats not culture because its bad stuff.

>>14948574
retard

>>14948628
>What do you mean footbal is being destroyed?
>You can still take the ball and go kick it alone.
Based liberal

>>14948628
Culture does not mean larping as a viking from a TV show, anon.

>>14948574
Sorry. I'm phone posting. Auto correct and all that

>>14948603
Stand and fight. Our biggest enemy isn't even liberals, it's conservatism inc. Ben Shapiro, Paul Ryan, etc. who exist to conserve liberal gains.

>>14948522
Change and destruction may exist on the same spectrum, and the difference between them is more a matter of degree than type. It's ultimately arbitrary where we draw the line between which is which. If I were to douce your house in gasoline and set it ablaze, did I destroy it? Or did I simply change it into a glowing pile of ash and cinders?

I think it's safe to say that something has been destroyed if it has failed to retain its key defining features and characteristics.

>>14948628
t.urbanite who never grew up in an actual community.
The left died when upper middle class white liberals invaded it. Back when Southerns ran the left, it was social conservatism+economic leftism. Now it's social leftism+economic rightism.

>>14948668
>southerns

>>14948658
And how exactly do you do this?

>>14948668
And the right died when upper class libertarians invaded it.

>>14948603
Integration from within. Retreat from the administrative state is not necessary if you control it.

>>14948674
Phone posting

>>14948641
But when the Greeks do it its ok?

>>14948683
True. They're trying to converge the two parties to serve Oligarchs. The stupid normie conservatives are going along with it...
I fucking hate normies

>>14948667
No, for the only thing truly affected is the whole. a fictionalized heuristic. You have merely changed my home and my house. A home is never destroyed, for it is not attached to any material consideration except in a trivial manner.

The house is not destroyed because it does not actually exist. It is a description of the relations of parts. Those parts exist after the fact, the relations exist in the past.

Earth (or rather, its parts) existed before there was life to observe that whole. Life destroyed an environment of rocks for its own selfish nature, but this is not considered "destruction" for reasons that ultimately boil down to sensory datums of "beauty". We have emerged out of the same systems that birthed everything else, and our actions and the changes we perform are just as endowed with legitimacy as the glaciers carving the landscape, and the drift of continents.

The house is burned down, the world changes, and those changes are easily dealt with. Skill in surfing the inevitable changes supercedes the skill of keeping the past on life support for dubious insect-like gratification. This is the way things are, and nothing will ever change it.

>>14948676
Ideological subversion. We were doing well until the media created the "alt-right" Boogeyman.

>>14948735
And that's the problem. How do you compete with the media and all their money?

>>14948732
>No, for the only thing truly affected is the whole. a fictionalized heuristic. You have merely changed my home and my house. A home is never destroyed, for it is not attached to any material consideration except in a trivial manner.
I wasn't making reference to anything even approaching this level of retarded, needless abstraction. I was talking about the physical, material, temporal object or assembly of objects that constitutes your house.

>The house is not destroyed because it does not actually exist. It is a description of the relations of parts. Those parts exist after the fact, the relations exist in the past.
We can't have a coherent conversation if you're going to reduce everything to this level of autism and can't deal with general categories. Frankly, it just comes off as evasive.

>define "house"
Jesus, man.

>Earth (or rather, its parts) existed before there was life to observe that whole. Life destroyed an environment of rocks for its own selfish nature, but this is not considered "destruction" for reasons that ultimately boil down to sensory datums of "beauty". We have emerged out of the same systems that birthed everything else, and our actions and the changes we perform are just as endowed with legitimacy as the glaciers carving the landscape, and the drift of continents.

>The house is burned down, the world changes, and those changes are easily dealt with. Skill in surfing the inevitable changes supercedes the skill of keeping the past on life support for dubious insect-like gratification. This is the way things are, and nothing will ever change it
So you've conceded my point that the difference between destruction and change is functionally arbitrary?

>>14948522
Shut up with your bullshit semantic games pseud

>>14948628
kek liberals really are soulless insects

>destroys culture, family, customs, and traditions.

Things change, you cant force tradition and culture. Also the concept of the family is outdated, a larger communal family is the future

>>14948876
Before liberalism, we had culture for thousands of years. The destruction of culture is not a given.

And the family is not outdated.

>>14948876
Larger communal family is outdated. The liberal concept of nuclear family is the current model and it doesn´t seem to be consolidating into larger units, on the contrary it´s fragmenting even further.

>>14948829
You refuse to engage because you don't have an argument. You lacked the depth of understanding and knowledge required to have the conversation you desired. Finally, as a hail mary you attempt to redeem yourself by simply saying a concession exists where there is none, and that truly all along you were correct. The reed carpet gave out underneath your reckless step, and you lacked the tools to climb out of the pit you fell into. Rather than blame yourself for your lack of preparedness, you raise your fist to the sky and curse fate. You deserve the thorough mocking that you receive for observing the fairy tale.

Go and study mereology. I will waste no more time responding to an unwashed simpleton who bumbles around and breaks his own ankles out of ignorance. There is no point when even the most basic levels fly over your head.

>>14948876
>larger communal family is the future
As indicated by what? People more are more atomized and removed from any kind authentic communal setting than they've ever been throughout history. The family is indeed a dying instituion, but It's only being replaced with transient, sterile relationships.

That said, extended family > nuclear family. Anarcho commune bullshit doesn't work either.

>>14948987
One thing I would add to your post: the family is being destroyed is not progress.

The family works much better for its purposes than anything our liberal overlords are promoting to us

>>14948876
Man is outdated and should be turned into protein cubes, we only need the mainframe and fully automated drone factories to turn a profit. With the extra space for hardware once you remove humans you can build servers that simulate them working and in these simulations they don't need breaks to eat or sleep. By doing away with archaic biological lifeforms the MicroGoogAmazAI or MGAA will be able to buy enough stocks from Bugcent to dominate their market, after that things will be set.

>>14948978
>You refuse to engage because you don't have an argument.
I just don't have the patience for autistic, needless pedantry, which seems as though it's intended to simply bog down the conversation and exhaust me through sheer attrition of my emotional resources, and cause me to give up out of simple frustration or boredom so you can then declare yourself the victor. It's all so petty. I'm not interested in showing myself to be the smartest kid in the room, I just enjoy exploring ideas for the sake of some novel piece of knowledge thst might be gleamed from this interaction, but it's beneath me to engage with someone if all I get for my participation is this rhetorical maneuvering.

>>14948499
Come on over fren

>>14948641

Of those only violence is bad (radio music for the most part endorses harmless drugs like weed or mushrooms), but you reactionaries don't seem to have a problem with it whenever it is done by someone you consider in your in-group.

>>14949183
>harmless
Degeneracy is not harmless

>>14949206
>oh no more people are having sex and enjoying themselves

Sex is only dangerous when fundies try to spread disinformation or block sex education and contraception.

>>14949206

It depends on the extent, some kid jacking off to Digimon isn't effecting anyone around him unless he goes full Chris Chan

>>14949219
It's funny, because people who says shit like that are never having even half the sex fundamentalists have, and despite their support of contraception they also support abortion.

Sex education led to more teen pregnancies by the way.

>>14949219
I'm prepared to call a sexual culture degenerate when people are having more sex than ever before in our history, but any hope of achieving sustainable levels of fertility has become a distant fantasy.

>>14949259

>but any hope of achieving sustainable levels of fertility has become a distant fantasy

The problem is capitalism. People want to have kids, but it's too expensive, there's no larger community anymore to help unless you're mexican

>>14949257

Cool sources
http://theconversation.com/good-sex-ed-doesnt-lead-to-teen-pregnancy-it-prevents-it-60036

>>14949257
Back in the day, one of the main arguments for the normalization of contraception was that it would reduce the demand for abortion. The complete opposite happened and the demand for abortion exploded as our traditional sexual morality disintegrated in the wake of this sexual revolution. Now we have both high numbers of abortion and a non-functioning sexual culture. The cost of fun.

>>14949270
So post-industrial soceities have managed to maintain not just sustainable levels of fertility, but positive population growth under capitalism for centuries, but it's only with the introduction of the sexual revolution and the social emancipation of women in the 1960s that declining fertility has ever become a noticeable problem?

>>14948499
https://samzdat.com/2017/08/28/the-uruk-machine/

>>14949344
actually talk of racial suicide began in the early 1900's, there was only a temporary change with the post-WWII baby boom which quickly ended... birth rates in the 60s/70s were still higher than the 30s

>>14949270
>unless you're mexican
What did he mean by this?

>>14949388
>the 30s
You mean when people were still in or recovering from the great depression?

>>14948499
Liberalism isn't doing shit, you're just a defective failure that would have failed to thrive under any system, whether due to familial or environmental reasons.

>>14949416
the trend line was going in the same direction before

>>14949435
Hello, porky.

>>14949442
Yes, but we see the most significant and most consitent drop between 1960 -1970, and it's only through the mass importation of highly fertile migrants that our total fertility has managed to level off instead of continuing to decline, like it is in most European counties.

The world is a lot better than it was 100 years ago regardless of /pol/ack tears

>>14949219
You called drugs harmless, you dirty hippie shit.

And a culture of promiscuity is not harmless either.

>>14949542
It was better in some ways and worse in others.
Of course, you are likely a bugman who considers material wealth and pleasure the only goods, so you are unlikely to think in more issues than thoses.

>>14949527
Spic reproduction has been going down. So...

>>14949578

I see you in multiple threads calling people you disagree with bugmen, this is some hardcore projection m8

>>14949578
No, also happiness, optimism for the future etc. etc. Though in the very wealthiest countries, optimism is vaning, not for any actual objectively measureable reasons or changes in material conditions, but because these countries are full of 24/7 hooked up news and social media monkeys that are blind to their own privilege, much like yourself.

>>14949611
This is the first time I ever called someone a bugman on 4chan.

>>14949628
Then, you can't say everything today is better than everything 100 years ago. Since modern liberalism does lead to lower happiness than a real culture that goes beyond "do whatever you feel like doing as long as it doesn't harm others".

>>14949651

The solution isn't reverting into a third world fascist shithole

>>14949683
And where exactly did I call for that?

>>14949542
In terms of technology improving material conditions? Sure. It's the idea of social liberalization that I'm much more suspicious towards, and no, I'm not going to let liberals own all base improvements in technology.

>>14949593
Yes, feminism and sexual liberation hurts everybody.

>>14949708
>social liberalization

The fact that we're not lynching people for miscegenation or being gay is actually a good thing

>>14949721
Yes.
But the fact that promiscuity, drug usage and most other vices are heavily promoted is a bad thing.

>>14949721
Well, I wouldn't cry if I never had to see another pride parade, but that's just me.

>>14949683
>Assuming we aren't becoming a third world liberal shit hole.

>>14949721
>The fact that we're not lynching people for miscegenation or being gay is actually a good thing
Why though? Because that was what you were taught in school and by the neoliberal cultural output?

lmao

>>14949728

Drug use is not new, I wouldn't exactly say it's promoted.

>>14949729
Also let's not forget being lynched for being black and saying or doing anything. Things have gotten a lot better, but privileged incels will never be satisfied that they live in a peaceful and free society.

>>14949733

How about the fact that it's barbaric, backwards, cruel, and evil?

>>14949748
>Drug use is not new, I wouldn't exactly say it's promoted.
It is promoted.
There are plenty of media that tries to promote drug usage as "cool".

>>14949757

Nobody thinks it's cool to get addicted to meth. Maybe pot is seen as cool, but hard drugs are not being promoted as widely as you're suggesting

>>14949651
>Since modern liberalism does lead to lower happiness than a real culture that goes beyond "do whatever you feel like doing as long as it doesn't harm others".
It doesn't, rich, liberal, western countries consistently poll as the happiest. Obviously the strongest correlation is with wealth, but there are also fairly convincing correlates with irreligiosity, gender parity and personal freedom. What I said is that rich westerners are less OPTIMISTIC, likely because improvements are more incremental to them.

>>14949748
>Things have gotten a lot better,
Again, in some ways it is got better. In some ways it got worse.

You can have a society where black people don't have to suffer racism and at the same time have a society where they are not pushed a culture where drugs and promiscuity are promoted to them.

>>14949762
Take a look at music or at comedy shows and movies. Drugs are promoted.

>>14948628
Yeah that’s partially the point. You can do literally anything as long as it’s of no real importance at all and isn’t taken seriously.

>>14949779

You can do anything as long as that doesn't involve gassing minorities and building up a fascist regime. True fulfillment comes from human connection, it's not anyone's fault besides your own if you're misreble

>>14949755
That's what you've been taught but what does that even mean? I would say it's necessary for civilisation to exist and far more cruel to not do it. Backwards doesn't mean anything, people washed their asses in the past if we stopped doing it would that be "progress"? As for "evil" that only means something in the context of a religious worldview which is incompatible with the notion of "progress".

You can't argue for your position since you take these values pushed by the neoliberal elites for granted. But there's no cohesion there, no foundation. You just find it bad because your teacher and movies said it was bad. Please consider thinking for yourself for once.

>>14949767
For certain profissional reasons, I have some contact with happiness research.
Happiness research of this kind is crap, due to the way they are designed. And there are always conflicting research:

https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/04/02/are-the-amish-unhappy-super-happy-just-meh/

That said, the last few decades, society has become increasingly more socially liberal and this has been accompanied with a huge rise in anxiety and depression disorder rates, specially among teenagers (who have been raised in our modern liberal aculture). That alongside an increase in deaths of despair (suicide, alcoholism, overdoses, etc). Those are more reliable datas than happiness studies comparing countries with differente languages, meanings of words, etc.

>>14949811

Empathy is not taught, however cruelty is.

>>14949748
>Also let's not forget being lynched for being black
Do you also think murders are in jail 'because they are black'? Negroids were lynched because then as now they committed terrible crimes and the police wouldn't do anything about it.

>>14949832

>"Mary Turner was a young, married black woman and mother of two who was lynched by a white mob in Lowndes County, Georgia, for having protested the lynching death of her husband Hazel "Hayes" Turner the day before in Brooks County."

Also let's not forget that a lot of black people absolutely are more harshly punished because they're black.

>>14949797
What would be "human connection"? Does it guarantee happiness?

>>14949830
You must not have had any experience with children whatsoever. Cruelty is in all of nature and both noble and stupid empathy is taught.

>>14949853

Cruelty is conditioned, we always resort to telling children that it's necessary. It's only necessary to support the slaughter of animals for our hedonistic consumption, it's only necessary to keep slaves, war is NECESSARY so on and so on.. Children are more in tune with their humanity than most adults

>>14949847
Collective punishment works, again what did her husband do? A sheboon chimping out after the community took justice in their own hands were bound to also taste the mob justice. And no, the negroid is not punished more harshly, they simply commit more crime. When people say that America imprisons too many of them they simply mean the anglo legal system places a too high standard upon a savage people not capable of following the law.

>>14949748
Fuck off back to R*ddit

>>14949849

Maybe if your weren't a shut in incel you would understand

>>14949885
Well, you should help other anons by explaining them what you mean.

>>14949881

I bet you would be the first person to whine about false rape accusations, but it's totally fantastic to unleash mob hysteria on non whites

>>14949873
Children are the most cruel of human beings. What you are talking about here is an adult telling them how terrible thing X is and then they ask why it's done if it is so terrible, the adult being opposed to this has no answer. If nobody told them it was wrong they wouldn't think so.

>>14949847
To be fair, you are giving one case, someone like >>14949881 pic can do the same thing. Im not disagreeing with you, but single cases are only that, and usually lead to a flanderization of an issue rather than a wholistic undertanding of one.

>>14949811
>I would say it's necessary for civilisation to exist and far more cruel to not do it
Go ahead and make that argument, instead of just saying that you can

>>14949903

Children are not cruel until they're conditioned to be cruel by adults perpetuating the assumed cultural narratives. Children might be selfish, they might be whiny, but they're not cruel unless something has been done to damage them. I don't remember ever wanting to see others suffer when I was a child

>>14949903
Yeah man some toddlers killed my family and burned my house down

>>14949895
I do not advocate mob justice, I said initially it was resorted to because the police wouldn't deal with the problem. Although it is amusing that you're probably one to advocate just that when it comes either to whites or the rich. When a mob of angry peasants hanged a "kulak" you'd probably clap your fat hands with glee.

>>14949748
>muh slavery
I'm making a particular critique of particular excesses of the passed century which have nothing to do with dindus. Notice how the trend of broken African American families only really began after the 1960s, when before they were catching up to whites in terms of economic solvency.

>>14949767
By every metric we have to measure such things, western peoples have been becoming less and less happy in the passed century, even women. That's not to say that people in other countries are doing any better by comparison, but modernity in general hasn't been particulary kind to anyone in terms of realized happiness. I've seen no evidence to suggest otherwise.

>>14949913
Miscegenation is a form of genocide and harms a racial collective while homosexuality has a net negative impact on society.

>>14949935
>muh white genocide
Ok lol. How does homosexuality have a net negative impact? Just saying that it does isn't an argument

>>14949948
I'm at odds with sexual revolution as a whole. The normalziation of homosexuality is an implicit acceptance of decedent and radically deviant expressions of sexuality, which drags our culturally conception of sex further away from the idea of family formation and towards its degenerated, desacrilized form of being a primarily hedonistic and sterile pursuit.

>>14949948
Miscegenation is negative to any race and in large enough numbers a genocide. Consider for a moment of how it completely stripped the Africans taken to the US of any genuine identity and history, they're now just "black" or even "brown", that's what their ethnic identity has been reduced down to. When conquerors took land in the past they also took the women and thus wrecked the ethnic cohesion of those they invaded, ending their people. Stop being a brainlet about this issue.

As for homosexuality it spreads disease, it doesn't produce healthy relationships, it spreads through mental trauma at a young age and has no positive effects on society. I think it is on you to prove that STI spreading pederasts have made any contribution that would balance out their negative impact.

>>14949935

>Miscegenation is a form of genocide

This is a huge cope, miscegenation isn't genocide any more than a teenager jacking off is genocide, or torrenting a movie is genocide

>>14948499
Pic very related

>>14950020

Miscegenation is a good thing because it breaks down boundaries between different tribes of people

>>14950022
How about replacement migration? Also, are you that beaner from astrochan?

>>14950040

>replacement migration?

migration is and has always been natural, humanity needs to mix up every now and then to keep a healthy amount of genetic variation

>>14948522
>You don't die, you just change into not living bro don't worry

>>14950060

It's true though, all identities and ego's die and are recycled. We see this occur in nature as our bodies decompose, we become worms, we become soil, and we become flowers

>>14950050
So you think its natural for a nation of people to be reduced to minority status in their own homeland in less then the span of a single century? Typically, this hasn't happened in history unless they're being invaded and conquered. "White" is a pretty broad category and is incredibly diverse.

>>14950077
Sure, but I'm never going to stop fighting to preserve the things I love.

>>14950089

White's are not a minority in Europe lol

>>14948499
O-OH NO? A-ARE THOSE PEOPLE HAVING FUN AND JUST BEING THEMSELVES? NO PLEASE NO I'M GOING INSAAAAANEEEEEEEEEEEE AAAAAAAAAHHHHH HELP ME HITLER

>>14950103
The US was over 80% white as recently as 1965.

>>14950128

The US is not a "white homeland"

>>14950107
This would be a truthful critique if only the force of liberalism was organic. Our people are essentially forced to buy into a foreign occupied culture that promotes all sorts of things that were not invented by us. The West has become a perverted cultural project that is outwardly and inwardly imperialistic. The train has left the station but the driver fucked off.

>>14948499
>Are there any books I can read
The Decline of American Liberalism and Suicide of the West

>>14950140
One could call it neo-liberal imperialism in which ugly little cretins, greasy little hooked nose grabblers, revise the tradition and deconstruct every institution to fit it to their spirit image.

>>14950140

How is liberalism not organic? What is considered organic in your view?

>>14949219
Sex is dangerous because it promotes absent fatherhood, the spread of STD’s, and polygamy which prevents the bottom half of men from partaking in the sexual marketplace and creates a group of now disenfranchised and anti-social males.

Sex for vanity’s sake is generally beta and cringe.
>but your a Trad larper
I’m actually a degenerate man whore who recognizes the fundamental flaws in allowing the disinhibition of Traditional cultural morals. I don’t condone or praise my behavior, I just play the game as the META dictates.

>>14949885
Could you please fuck off back to Tumblr?

>>14950107
Some kinds of "having fun" lead to the people who do it to become worse citizens and unhappier people.

>>14948978
Holy shit you're one autistic fuck.

>>14950140
>people want to participate in global markets
>they adapt to do so
Wow so inorganic who could possibly be behind such a dastardly turn of events.

https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2019/06/why-liberalism-pantheon-failed-john-horvat.html

>>14950131
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Origins_Formula
You'd be making the same dismissals if it were happening to Europe - which it is - it's just that the US had a head start on everybody else.

>>14950107
imagine thinking that everyone can just have fun and "be themselves" while maintaining a functional society.

>>14948499
Hegemony is not what destroys the organic, it is the fundamental principle of everything organic.

>>14950185
>muh functions
If you define the functions of society narrowly enough then sure, every change is dysfunctional.

>>14949219
Read Houellebecq bro. Sexual liberation merely extended the domain of struggle.

>>14950174
>the purpose of life is to be a good citizen
funny it's people like you who call me a cuck
>>14950185
no, they should instead adapt a lifestyle consistent with whatever's written on your neoreactionary blog, amirite?

>>14950185

Imagine being a premature pearl clutcher who's super concerned about maintaining society

>>14948499
The liberation of the individual does destroy tradition and culture, BUT it also leaves open the possibility of new tradition and culture being established. This is a great progression when this individual is powerful enough to posit such a higher tradition, when the proper inheritance and overabundance of physical and psychological energy is present. It is a negative when the ill-constituted are the individuals (see: most libertarians) who are just resentful that they were failures and "liberate themselves" out of vengeance to their family.

>>14950107
If people were only "having fun", society would soon collapse.
i.e. : hippies

>>14950221
>funny it's people like you who call me a cuck
It is nice that you have ignored the second part of my post. This kind of lifestyle does not lead to happy lives.

And for society, it is obviously bad if people become bad citizens.

>>14950237

American society at that point was already begging to collapse, it's not a bad thing because it leaves room for a more humane society to take root

>>14950237
that's correct but then again no one believes that people should only "have fun"

>>14950191
You can't sustain a civilization on a negative birthrate.

>>14950222
Yes, there are things more important in life than cummies and buttplugs.

I'm not the anon you are arguing with
>>14950257
>it's not a bad thing because it leaves room for a more humane society to take root
It is a bad thing. It didn't lead to a more humane society, it led to hedonism.

>>14950265
I don't see why anyone should be against the idea of having fun. Having fun is a wonderful thing. I just don't think that base pleasure is a particularly good justification for anything in and of itself, especially not when it's coming at the expense or derision of higher goods.

>>14948641
It is not bad stuff, a lot of it is excellent music. You just hate people liking what you don't like and like the psychopath you are you want to hurt them.

>>14949779
Oh no I don't care for your stupid shit, I just want to mind my business ignoring you and you want to kill me for that.

>>14949832
Emmett Till had committed no crimes, a white woman falsely accused him and white monsters lynched him because they couldn't believe a black person can be innocent.
Same for you. You are presuming guilt with no option for innocence, and I bet you're the kind that whines "mun innocent until proven guilt" when your exact same mentality is applied to whites.
You're disgusting. A lot of blacks that were lynched were completely innocent. If anyone should get lynched it should be people like you.

>>14950352
I haven't listened to a radio in years. It's all repetitive trash, but I'm thankful that the internet provides alternatives to where I can source music.

>>14950275

>Yes, there are things more important in life than cummies and buttplugs.

I agree that's why I don't obsess over them

>>14949924
>I do not advocate mob justice
>I assume guilt without proof just because I hate black people and I justify the lynching of innocents
You advocate mob justice, and like a hypocrite attempt to deny it in the same breath. The police lynched innocent black people then just as it shoots them without reason now. I hope you get lynched for your crimes.

>>14950377
Cool, you found an innocent black. Now, how do you account for the other thousands of guilty ones?

>>14950392
>I haven't listened to a radio in years
>I know what the radio plays, all stations everywhere
Why are conservatives so retarded? And most importantly, why do they always want to deprive innocent people of what they love to force absolute shit on them?

>>14950412
They're not guilty, they're innocent. How do you account for the other thousands of guilty whites? Whit

>>14950413

>I hate my life, and I will make you hate yours as well

>>14950102
Same, that's why I hate conservatives and fight them everywhere I see them. They're evil and they want to destroy the things I love.

>>14948522
is it universally true that universal truths aren't true?

>>14950377
"Dindu nuffin", as true then as it is today.

>>14950430
That's what people like OP want to do, yes.

>>14950440
She confessed to making up a lie, cretin.

>Liberalism Driving Me Insane
>book rec, lol i don't actually read but i need someplace to post
go to >>>/b/
Or unplug and live a quiet life
good luck

>>14950413
I'm not a conservative, and yeah, I think you can find better shit on the internet than you'll ever hear on the radio. I didn't say anything about depriving you of anything, I just said that your taste is trash, because it is.

>>14948499
Embrace the Third Position

just a reminder that to Hitler and the Nazis this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky7FAtZDVp4
was an example of "degenerate" art. today it seems reactionary and conservative compared to modern music industry. that's why terms like "degeneracy" are not very useful because what is considered degeneracy changes over time. think about it - in the 60s being a biker was a very transgressive lifestyle and Easy Rider was a leftist movie, now your average Republican voter rides a Harley-Davidson, listens to hard rock music and the GOP itself shills for Wall Street bankers who are bigger degenerates than whatever you can imagine

>>14950440

>dindu nothing

"Near midnight on January 18, 1930, 500 white men and youths gathered outside a Filipino dance club in the Palm Beach section of Watsonville. The club was owned by a Filipino man and offered dances with the nine white women who lived there. The mob came with clubs and weapons intending to take the women out and burn the place down. The owners threatened to shoot if the rioters persisted, and when the mob refused to leave, the owners opened fire. Police broke up the fight with gas bombs. Two days later, on January 20, a group of Filipino men met with a group of white men near the Pajaro River bridge to settle the score. A group of Hispanic men then arrived and took sides with the whites. The riot began and continued for five days.

Hunting parties were organized; the white mob was run like a "military" operation with leaders giving orders to attack or withdraw. They dragged Filipinos from their homes and beat them. They threw Filipinos off the Pajaro River bridge. They ranged up the San Juan road to attack Filipinos at the Storm and Detlefsen ranches; at Riberal's labor camp, twenty-two Filipinos were dragged out and beaten almost to death. A Chinese apple-dryer that employed Filipinos was demolished; shots were fired into a Filipino home on Ford Street; and 22-year-old Fermin Tobera died after being shot in the heart when he was hiding in a closet with 11 others, trying to avoid the rounds of bullets fired at a bunkhouse in Murphy Ranch in San Juan Road on the 23rd."

>>14950402
>The police lynched innocent black people then just as it shoots them without reason now.
You're a huge retard of you believe this. Watch some footage sometime, they wear cameras these days, fucking high niggers trying to stab or gun down cops getting shot isn't "without reason".

>>14950462
Your opinion is shit and shows your ignorance. And you do want to deprive me of everything. When someone pointed out you can still dance around in wheat fields in viking clothes if you want to your kind whines BUT YOU AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO ME WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH so fuck off you piece of shit, you're not entitled to my attention. Fuck off and get out of my life.

>>14950478
Yes, things become more degenerate and jewish as you go down the path of neoliberalism, what of it? It's still degenerate even if niggers talk about farting cum to jungle drums in modern pop music. What are you getting at?

>>14950506
>Marlene Dietrich is degenerate
this is your brain on /pol/

>>14950489
Ah, that footage that shows cops planting evidence, shouting nonsensical orders, and shooting black people who weren't even moving because they were speaking? Footage only shows that cops are all bastards.

>>14950478
Republicans have always been progressives driving the speed limit, and they're not to be taken seriously. What you're saying is boomer liberals feeling nostalgic about liberal culture before it took it's modern progressive form.

>>14950401
No, we can't have a political discussion without bringing up BBC and cucks and roasties

>>14950352
>It is not bad stuff, a lot of it is excellent music.
No, the decline has been pretty bad.

Even in terms of pop music, considering only the melody, the decline has been pretty strong

Compare this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Billboard_Hot_100_number-one_singles_of_2020
to 50 years ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Billboard_Hot_100_number-one_singles_of_1970


Of course, the likes of Beatles were part of the overall cultural decline. But they at least were legitimately talented musicians.

>>14950437
>They're evil and they want to destroy the things I love.
Do you love promiscuity, drug usage and a hedonistic lifestyle?

>>14950493
You don't know what culture is, do you?
The hardest thing about discussing things such as this is that some of the defenders of the status quo don't even understand what is being discussed.

>>14950548
>the likes of Beatles were part of the overall cultural decline
And that's how I know your opinion is worth nothing.

>>14950527
Stop seeing things through the filter of sensationalist jewish news intended to make you hate law enforcement. Fuck, why are people so easy to manipulate?

Here, watch videos on this channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXMYxKMh3prxnM_4kYZuB3g
It doesn't have much of an agenda. Some cops do indeed fuck up but most of them are just doing their jobs and niggers are the absolute worst and it's no wonder cops have itchy trigger fingers when they always fake being unarmed until they pull up a gun and start shooting. Start to deprogram yourself from your biases against policemen, watch some videos and you start to understand them.

>>14950493
>me telling you to take advantage of more modern means of music distribution instead of relying on archaic modes like the radio and the Jewish publishing filter
>reeee reactionary wants to take my rights away

>>14950574

All cops are bastards

>>14950478
>that's why terms like "degeneracy" are not very useful because what is considered degeneracy changes over time
I disagree.
If you place the good on virtue and on what is leading away from it as degeneracy, the term is useful.

>>14950585
Wow, what an original and provocative thought. It's not like establishment media is tooting that horn all day long every day or anything. Drug peddling niggers don't get shot because they're reaching for a gun in their pants but because of racism and xenophobia and bigotry and sexism and, and... like all the other -isms, man. Structural whitism is keeping them enterprising black men down.

>>14950572
What? The Beatles were tied to the counter culture that destroyed everything. They were/are very talented, but they were a part of the cultural decline of the West.

>>14950563
Do I love being free have a relationship with my gf and see if we are compatible before making a life-changing decision such as marriage, rather be forced all my life to stay with someone I might hate? Yes, I love that. Do I love having sex with her without having to worry about children she doesn't want for the moment? Yes, I love her, of course I love that. Do I love us being able to focus on ourselves and what we like to do, and not be a slave anymore to some pieces of shit who don't care about us? Yes, I love that. Fuck you for wanting to take my happiness away.

>You don't know what culture is
What the fuck do you think it is, cretin? Culture is the characteristic features of everyday existence (such as diversions or a way of life) shared by people in a place or time. You can share your "culture" with other psychos like you but that isn't enough for you, you want to force everyone into it no matter how much they don't want it. I don't share your culture, your culture is disgusting, I hate it and I reject it, fuck off and die.

>>14949093
>I just don't have the patience for autistic, needless pedantry, which seems as though it's intended to simply bog down the conversation and exhaust me through sheer attrition of my emotional resources, and cause me to give up out of simple frustration or boredom so you can then declare yourself the victor. It's all so petty. I'm not interested in showing myself to be the smartest kid in the room, I just enjoy exploring ideas for the sake of some novel piece of knowledge thst might be gleamed from this interaction, but it's beneath me to engage with someone if all I get for my participation is this rhetorical maneuvering.

Gradually, anon began to hate them.

>>14950625
The Beatles were excellent musicians that created wonderful music, and they brought forth a new culture that has given joy to millions. Nothing was destroyed, people simply abandoned your ideas for better ones. There's no cultural decline in the West, the opposite in fact, there was a cultural improvement.

>>14948732
>>14948829
>>14948978
>Dude, is that gasoline? Are you trying to light my house on fire?
>"Ah, but anon, you must first define what is your house and what is not. Where is the dividing line? What makes it your house?"

I'm starting to understand why so many fascist dictatorships had intellectuals lined up against walls and shot.

>>14950674
>people going to another, better store is trying to light my house on fire! I should be allowed to force them to come to me or die!

I see why so many fascist dictators were brutally killed like they deserved.

>>14950660
I wouldn't place all the blame on them, but this new culture is not really great. Drug usage and promiscuity are not linked to happiness.

>>14950701
>this new culture is not really great
Speak for yourself.

>>14950643
>Do I love being free have a relationship with my gf and see if we are compatible before making a life-changing decision such as marriage, rather be forced all my life to stay with someone I might hate? Yes, I love that.
This kind of belief (and habit) actually lead to marriages that are of lower quality and less stable.
Serial monogamy is not a good strategy for finding a spouse.

>Do I love having sex with her without having to worry about children she doesn't want for the moment? Yes, I love her, of course I love that.
In this case, you are acting hedonistically. Hedonistic lifestyles are also not linked to higher happiness.

>Do I love us being able to focus on ourselves and what we like to do, and not be a slave anymore to some pieces of shit who don't care about us? Yes, I love that.
What would be focusing on yourselves and how would having children get in the way of that?

>Fuck you for wanting to take my happiness away.
You are not happy.


> Culture is the characteristic features of everyday existence (such as diversions or a way of life) shared by people in a place or time.
By your own definition, that example was absurd.

And there is also something else involved in culture. Culture is about cultivating yourself. Looking at your example, society has failed you since it didn't really provide you that.

>>14950703
It is not. If you can even call it a culture.
It doesn't cultivate you, it doesn't elevate you. It is just hedonism of the low IQ type.

>>14948628
>you can still dance around in wheat fields in viking clothes
Why are liberals always this shallow and retarded? Your kind always stops at the surface. Alien cultures that have nothing in common with yours and see the world and mankind in a fundamentally different way and would gladly destroy your way of life? Sure, make them come in by the millions, because THEIR FOOD IS GOOD. That's the only difference between us and them, their food and clothes that are a bit different (but not that much because "muh nuns cover their hair too").

My god what a bunch of fucking retards. Hypocritical too: assuming that different cultures think like you and have your same values beause "of course they do, my values are obviously the best" is ethnocentrism.

>>14950739
>blah blah blah, blah blah blah
This kind of belief (and habit) lead me to a happy marriage with my wife. It was an excellent strategy for finding my spouse, and for me that's all that matters. I have been happier than ever thanks to my "hedonistic" lifestyle, so you can take that one and shove it too.

>What would be focusing on yourselves and how would having children get in the way of that?
For her, it's her art and her job, and for me, it's my job. When she's not working she likes to draw for hours on end and she couldn't do that with a screaming baby demanding her attention all the time. She would either have to quit her job or her art and she is not willing to quit either. I like my job and I'm not going to quit it anytime soon.

>By your own definition, that example was absurd.
Nah. You can make it a relevant example if you cared to. But what you want is oppress people so of course you reject it, hypocrite.

>Culture is about cultivating yourself
Yeah, try harder doing that. It seems so far you have failed.

>You are not happy
I'm happier than you, dude.

>>14950744
What is "cultivate", force people to what they hate? That's not cultivate. That's oppression. You want oppression. I am more elevated in this society than I would ever be in your demented idea of society.

>>14950478
Republicans are made up of different groups now, as are democrats. Be careful when you conflate political positions with parties. To argue x word can't be used because a threshold or meaning changes over time is generally an unsound argument. It reminds me of my 19 year old students who say Kant is wrong in regards to morality because there is no objective morality. You're missing a lot of context and points.

If you're under 21 keep it up, you have the knowledge but no perspective. If you're over 21 you're retarded and need to rethink life. Get off this board

>>14950807
>This kind of belief (and habit) lead me to a happy marriage with my wife. It was an excellent strategy for finding my spouse, and for me that's all that matters. I have been happier than ever thanks to my "hedonistic" lifestyle, so you can take that one and shove it too.
In a few minutes, your "gf" upgraded to a "wife". Somehow, I think you are lying.

>For her, it's her art and her job, and for me, it's my job. When she's not working she likes to draw for hours on end and she couldn't do that with a screaming baby demanding her attention all the time. She would either have to quit her job or her art and she is not willing to quit either. I like my job and I'm not going to quit it anytime soon.
A slave to money. Nice.
You made yourselves infertile in order to make more money.

>Nah. You can make it a relevant example if you cared to. But what you want is oppress people so of course you reject it, hypocrite.
You can't. By that definition of culture, the example was idiotic.

>I'm happier than you, dude.
You are not fooling anyone when you pretend to be happy.

>>14950818
>What is "cultivate", force people to what they hate?
Making people better. Which sometimes includes making people do what they hate (or not doing what they like) so that they can get better habits.

>That's not cultivate. That's oppression. You want oppression. I am more elevated in this society than I would ever be in your demented idea of society.
You are not elevated. You are just a hedonist.

>>14950674
The sad thing is the guy thinks he's being clever.

>>14950842
That's because I already married her, douchebag. After cohabitating for a few years we saw we liked living with each other and decided to marry. A marriage that would have never happened without cohabitating first.

>By that definition of culture, the example was idiotic
Nah, it wasn't. You can dance around in wheat fields in viking clothes with your fascist friends every day if you want to, that would be your culture. I still don't want to take part in it, because I hate people like you.

>the rest of your post
I'm not here to convince you dude, I stand by my words. I do what makes me happy, and so does my wife. You want to make us miserable.

>>14950858
>Making people better
By whose definition? From what you posted your idea of "better" is not better, it's worse. I reject your idea of "better" as false.

>Which sometimes includes oppressing people denying them their basic liberty and joy and treating them like slaves
Fixed that for you.

I am more elevated than you, fascist.

>>14948522
I destroyed your mom last night. Refuted.

>>14950886
>That's because I already married her, douchebag. After cohabitating for a few years we saw we liked living with each other and decided to marry. A marriage that would have never happened without cohabitating first.

You literally said you have a "gf" here >>14950643 Now you are saying you have a wife and that you cohabitated with her for years. You are lying.

And you are lying in order to promote something (cohabitation) that has a negative effect on marriage quality and stability.

>>14950926
>You literally said you have a "gf"
No you retard, I told you what I love. Do you have basic reading comprehension, stupid?

>>14950903
>By whose definition?
Better meaning more virtuous.

> From what you posted your idea of "better" is not better, it's worse. I reject your idea of "better" as false.
What is your idea of better?

>I am more elevated than you
I'm skeptical of that.

>>14950942
>Do I love being free have a relationship with my gf and see if we are compatible before making a life-changing decision such as marriage

You lied. Admit it.

>>14950955
>Better meaning more virtuous
"Virtuous", how? Virtuous is someone who respects other people, doesn't arrogantly dismiss their feelings and doesn't try to oppress them, your posts are the opposite of that. My idea of better is some who lives happy and lets live happily, not someone who disregards and oppresses.

>I'm skeptical of that
Your choice. Your skepticism means nothing to me.

What the fuck is with all this greentexting? This board used to be better than this.

>>14950962
Yeah, retard, and thanks to being free to have a relationship with my gf I saw that we are compatible and I was able to marry her with a happy heart. Had it not turned out that way I would not have married her. I love having that freedom over being forced to stay with someone I might hate.

You retards need everything explained like a bunch of autistic children.

>>14950984
>"Virtuous", how? Virtuous is someone who respects other people, doesn't arrogantly dismiss their feelings and doesn't try to oppress them, your posts are the opposite of that.
In your opinion, virtue consists of uncritically approving what other people do and think?

>>14950996
You are a really bad liar, lol.

>>14950997
No, that's you putting words in my mouth. Virtue consists of not presuming you know better, not dismissing reported feelings as untrue just because they don't fit with your agenda, and not trying to force people into what they don't want - especially when they are already happy and fulfilled as they are.

>>14951006
You are stupid and you don't want to admit you fail at basic reading comprehension.

>>14951013
To be virtuous is to be a moral relativisit?

>>14951013
>Virtue consists of not presuming you know better, not dismissing reported feelings as untrue just because they don't fit with your agenda, and not trying to force people into what they don't want

Are you sure this is a good definition of virtue?
Suppose a parent has a child who doesn't want to take a medicine and who claims to be happy being sick. What would a virtuous parent do?

>>14950585
Wrong. Orders are foundation of a successful civilization.

Massacre the political left.

>>14949849
Family you can confide in, close friends, that sort of thing. An emotional support network you can rely on in times of adversary. Humans are social creatures, we're evolved to live in small, tight-knit communities with that kind of social environment. Not taking care of that psychological need really takes a toll on our mental health and makes it much harder to lead a happy life.
It's difficult to explain how much easier the burden of living is when you have periodic reminders that there are people who care about you and are glad that you're in their lives.

>>14949885
Very irresponsible post. If you can't even articulate your thoughts in any way besides insulting people who struggle with these things, don't even bother posting your opinion.

>>14950701
Boomers were much more promiscuous than any generation afterwards. We're just more aware of promiscuity due to the internet.

>>14951030
Yes, I'm sure. We're talking about adults here, capable of deciding for themselves what they want and what they don't.

>>14951036
Orders to massacre innocent civilians, that's not a successful civilization.

>>14951063
So, virtue is something that involves only not judging what other people do and that doesn't involve how you act as a parent?

>>14951046
>Boomers were much more promiscuous than any generation afterwards. We're just more aware of promiscuity due to the internet
Yes, but boomers really only set the standard for how are sexual culture was going to be from then on, and we never really recovered.

>>14951046
>Family you can confide in, close friends, that sort of thing
Ah, the very thing people don't have with oppressive right-wing families who hate you for wanting sex with your beloved, wanting to enjoy your life, wanting to enjoy your time and not waste it on what you don't care for? I only found an emotional support network in liberals, the small, "tight-knit" right wing community I was born in always hated me. So much for "community".

>>14951063
Good, then you won't object to adults deciding they want to racially cleanse their lands, they are capable of deciding that for themselves after all.

>>14951087
If you want to make it about parents, a virtuous parent will look for sign that they child is truly sick or not, and act accordingly. A child crying in pain is a sign that the medicine should be taken. A child minding their business quietly, doing a joyful activity and loving it as you can tell from their smile, is a sign you should leave them the fuck alone, or if you can't do that, encourage them. Too bad your kind doesn't understand that.

>>14951063
The older I get, the more I come to realize that very few people in this world have any genuine agency, and are hardly more aware of themselves than cattle mindlessly enthralled to pre-rational desires which they have no control over, set on an invisible rail of incentive structures that will determine their every decision for the rest of their lives.

>>14951113
Oh you can decide that all you want, just like other adults can decide that nazis deserve the rope and genocide you like back in 1945.

>>14951144
The older I get, the more I come to realize that people who make posts like yours are stupid and don't know anything about other people.

>>14951135
In this case, a virtuous parent would help the child do whatever he likes doing and trying to stop the children from doing whatever it dislikes?
But what if the activity is something like smoking weed? Suppose he is smiling while doing so.

>>14951152
I'm jewish, anon. But what you are saying here is that it doesn't mean anything, you clearly don't believe people should be free to just do whatever they want.

>>14951079
it is more successful for the civilization making and carrying out the orders

>>14951184
You have two plates. On one plate, you a have salad and assortment of garden veggies, health foods etc. On the other, you have pizza, candy, ice cream, junk food etc. You tell the child he can eat whatever he wants and in whatever quantities. You repeat this for every meal the child has until he is an adults.

What is the child you going to choose nine times out of ten? How is this child going to look by the time he's an adult?

>>14951184
What a weird choice of words, anon, surely you know that smoking weed has been legalized in many countries thanks to scientific studies proving weed is actually less harmful than tobacco, yet you immediately went for weed and not tobacco. Are you proving you live off prejudice and ignorance? Yes, I think you are.

You should know medical marijuana is used to alleviate pain, such as with cancer patients, and smoking is often a way for people to cope with unsolvable problems in their life, for example a shitty parent that makes a kid's life hell. Is the child smoking because he's in pain? Damn, of course that parent should let the kid do that, what kind of monster wants their kid to be in agony? If the pain is emotional/psychological, why isn't this parent of yours trying to find out the cause of the emotional pain and correct that? Addressing the symptom is not addressing the cause. Your parent is a real shitty parent, they should have CPS called on them.

>>14951268
Weed was legalised because it makes the consoomers dumber and more pliant, better cattle.

>>14951279
This, it's a social sedative.

>>14948609
Shut the fuck up joaquin

>>14951268
Smoking weed reduces intelligence, concentration and self-control.
But...
Let's forget about it. What if your children was drinking absinthe or smoking a cigarette. With a smile on his face, might I add.

You said:
>A child minding their business quietly, doing a joyful activity and loving it as you can tell from their smile, is a sign you should leave them the fuck alone, or if you can't do that, encourage them.

Is that what you would do in this case?

>>14948645
>footbal
>culture

>>14951261
As someone too intelligent to entertain stupid choices like that, I take your salads and shitty veggies without taste and throw them away, keep the rest, take new groceries and start making delicious Italian food that is both good and tasty as fuck. The delicious smell alone brings all the kids to the yard. The junk food can stay as a treat.

>>14949779
>isn’t taken seriously
>please take me seriously

>>14951279
>>14951290
>>14951300
[citation needed]
Please no right-wing sources, I want unbiased thanks.

Also >>14951300
>smoking is often a way for people to cope with unsolvable problems in their life, for example a shitty parent that makes a kid's life hell. Is the child smoking because he's in pain? Damn, of course that parent should let the kid do that, what kind of monster wants their kid to be in agony? If the pain is emotional/psychological, why isn't this parent of yours trying to find out the cause of the emotional pain and correct that? Addressing the symptom is not addressing the cause. Your parent is a real shitty parent, they should have CPS called on them.

>>14951312
So, in other words, you wouldn't let them eat whatever they want, because you recognize that children with lesser agency will destroy themselves if given the freedom to do so?

>>14951320
https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.2018.18020202
>Common vulnerability effects were detected for cannabis and alcohol on all domains. Cannabis use, but not alcohol consumption, showed lagged (neurotoxic) effects on inhibitory control and working memory and concurrent effects on delayed memory recall and perceptual reasoning (with some evidence of developmental sensitivity). Cannabis effects were independent of any alcohol effects.

https://academic.oup.com/restud/article-abstract/84/3/1210/3091869/High-Achievers-Cannabis-Access-and-Academic?redirectedFrom=fulltext
>This paper investigates how legal cannabis access affects student performance. Identification comes from an exceptional policy introduced in the city of Maastricht in the Netherlands that discriminated access via licensed cannabis shops based on an individual’s nationality. We apply a difference-in-difference approach using administrative panel data on course grades of local students enrolled at Maastricht University before and during the partial cannabis prohibition. We find that the academic performance of students who are no longer legally permitted to buy cannabis substantially increases. Grade improvements are driven by younger students and the effects are stronger for women and low performers. In line with how cannabis consumption affects cognitive functioning, we find that performance gains are larger for courses that require more numerical/mathematical skills. Our investigation of underlying channels using course evaluations suggests that performance gains are driven by an improved understanding of the material rather than changes in students’ study effort.

>>14951261
Consider that one of the big drivers of candy/pizza/junk food addiction is our use of it as a reward and nudging kids towards it.

If you give a child a fair choice they very often will pick the better option. In fact when candy is given freely in youth people tend to like it less than otherwise.

>>14951320
Thinking to ask the children why he does what he does is too much for these people, asking questions? Investigate? Fascists don't do that, fascists blindly assume and deny all evidence when proven wrong.

>>14951341
Viewing an entire group of people in such overblown terms is very childish itself. It might be useful for rhetoric but you'll never understand the world with that kind of crude mindset.

>>14951329
But I am letting them eat whatever they want, what makes you think I would choose the menu without asking the child? First you let him taste and then he tells you what he likes and what he doesn't. If he likes carbonara, I'm making carbonara. If he doesn't like fettuccine alfredo, I'm not making fettuccine alfredo. I'm merely giving him options you, in your limited mind, never considered. I see how you're trying to compare children to adults, too bad adults are not children and they do not have lesser agency than you. Accept people have the freedom to do what they want.

There are several glowniggers here

>>14951339
Well, I was the complete opposite. My parents let me eat basically anything I wanted, so that's what I did. I was obese by the time I reached my teens, and undoing that damage, while striving to become fit and healthy, has been the major struggle of my life evsr since.

>>14951368
And what if he wants to eats pizza, ice cream, candy, deserts - you know, all of those fatty surgery foods that our dopamine receptors have programmed us to like? If you give a child to do homework or play video games, or play with friends - what's he going to choose?

>>14951378
You in or out?

>>14951356
Says the dude that doesn't want to accept people are happy not following his ideas.

>>14951397
Leave me alone faggot. I just want a qt3.14 woman and my books

>>14951312
>I take your salads and shitty veggies without taste and throw them away
If you had a children, he would never eat salads or vegetables?

>>14951394
>And what if he wants to eats pizza, ice cream, candy, deserts
What of that? He can eat them with me. I eat those too, dessert always finishes and compliments a meal. No, I'm not obese like you.

>If you give a child to do homework or play video games, or play with friends - what's he going to choose?
https://news.stanford.edu/2014/03/10/too-much-homework-031014/
You learn more from playing videogames or playing with friends than you do from homework. Your ignorance keeps showing.

>>14951411
I've never eaten a salad in my life and I feel fine.
Vegetables, you know you can cook in a million ways, yes?

>>14951378

If you want to find glowniggers go on post 2016 /pol/, the entire alternative right is manufactured by glowniggers as a pseudo teenage rebellion movement

>>14951421
>No, I'm not obese like you.
You are not exactly known for speaking the truth in this thread.

>You learn more from playing videogames or playing with friends than you do from homework. Your ignorance keeps showing.
...
So, your child will never do homework?

>>14950222
post tits bitch

>>14951421
>You learn more from playing videogames or playing with friends than you do from homework

>>14949925
especially women.

>>14951439
>So, your child will never do homework?
Why stop there? Why not have a society where all children have complete freedom of choose if they want to go school and do schoolwork, or they can sit around and play videos or goof around with their friends all day. I mean, if we're going to tske this shit to it's logical conclusion...

>>14950036
jew

>>14950483
Holy fucking based whites and basado spics

>>14951330
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/in-depth/medical-marijuana/art-20137855

>Studies report that medical cannabis has possible benefit for several conditions. State laws vary in which conditions qualify people for treatment with medical marijuana. If you're considering marijuana for medical use, check your state's regulations.

>Depending on the state, you may qualify for treatment with medical marijuana if you meet certain requirements and have a qualifying condition, such as:

>Alzheimer's disease
>Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS)
>HIV/AIDS
>Cancer
>Crohn's disease
>Epilepsy and seizures
>Glaucoma
>Multiple sclerosis and muscle spasms
>Severe and chronic pain
>Severe nausea

>If you are experiencing uncomfortable symptoms or side effects of medical treatment, especially pain and nausea, talk with your doctor about all your options before trying marijuana. Doctors may consider medical marijuana as an option if other treatments haven't helped.

>>14950660
they were shit musicians.

>>14951022
nigger

>>14951439
Still buttmad your stupidity got exposed, eh?

>So, your child will never do homework?
Why do keep thinking in absolutes? Do you never pause and consider the situation case by case? I can see why you're miserable with a mentality like that.

>>14951505
If your child never wants to do homework, what would you do?

>>14950807
embarrassing bug

>>14951467
>I hate conscious adults having the freedom to do as they want, so I'm going to compare them to children, even though adults are by definition developed in all aspects unlike children

Right-wingers are retarded.

I'm curious about the opinion of other anons.
Is this post >>14951491 a decent answer to >>14951330 ?

>>14951510
Assess the situation, of course. Some of the most successful workers I know never did homework because they didn't need it. They are better at their job than the drones who blindly did what they were told and never developed critical thinking.

>>14950643
coping simp. she knows you aren't good enough to have children with and will leave you when she wants them. you will spend your life miserable.

>>14951513
I'm not that anon, but we are arguing over your parenting philosophy.

But I have a question: when does someone acquire the ability to know what is good for himself?

>>14951513
Humor me. Should these children be given the freedom to decide to go to school or play vidya? If not, then why?

>>14951513
>muh freedom
freedom to degenerate society for everyone else.

>>14951522
Surely then, we should eliminate public schooling entirely, and bring forth a race or critical thinking ubermensch.

>>14951524
Save mental trauma, the process starts from ages 11-12, with the onset of puberty. That's when individual personality starts developing. No, that doesn't mean a 12 year knows everything, but when he tells you he likes music and wants to do music in his life you should take that into consideration and not force the kid onto a path he doesn't care for.

>>14951538
>I say: assess the situation
>you read: we should _______

>>14951541
What if he wants to spend 16 hours a day playing Fortnite instead of studying anything?

>>14951538
unironically yes

>>14951525
>my post says adults
>he keeps reading children
Tell me, you think an 18 year old is a child? What about a 20 year old? 25? 30? 40? When do people stop being children in your mindset, is a 40 year old a child just because he lives as he wants?

>>14951557
E-sports is a great career. An e-sport professional makes a lot of money, while an office drone with his degree can be useless and may not even find a job with the useless degree he chose.

If a kid liked everything plumbing and wanted to be a plumber instead of studying anything, would you be making this post? No, you wouldn't complain because that would be acceptable to your stupid, limited, prejudiced mind. So it's not studying, it's what you, without any basis whatsoever think should be acceptable for others, based on nothing "hurrr I like that" "hurrrr I don't like that"
Go kill yourself.

>>14951577
So...
You would support your children's decision of being a NEET who plays videogame 16 hours a day?

>>14948628
Based bugman

>>14951560
I'm not him, but...
in this thread, your assumption is that people always make the best choices for themselves. They don't, regardless of age.

>>14951584
>e-sports pro
>neet
Anon, you're embarrassing.

>>14948499
Read Moldbug

>>14951560
>Tell me, you think an 18 year old is a child?
I think the distinction is ultimately arbitrary because I don't believe many people actually have an authentic experience of their own agency.

>>14951606
playing vidya all day does not mean you are an "e-sports" pro.

>>14951535

Enlighten me on which historical period and society was not degenerate.

>>14951489

How is being jealous based?

>>14951642
None. Everything is in a constant state of entropic decomposition, and the only way state of decay is to be constantly rebuilding or building things that are new.

>>14951600
I never said that though, for a /lit/ board you people suck at reading what's written. I said I made the best choices for myself, and I can say that by assessing my situation and deciding I'm very happy with it. Other people may have made mistakes, just like other people haven't, that's for them to decide. Nobody else. My choice, my responsibily, their choice, their responsibility. Some people making mistakes however doesn't mean other people are making mistakes too, your life for example has no bearing on mine, the same action can be a mistake for one and the correct action for another. It all depends on individual circumstances. Trying to force individuals to conform is only going to make people suffer.

Anon's assumption here is that people cannot make the best choices for themselves if those choices aren't the same as his, and that's objectively false.

>>14951621
Playing vidya all day is how you become an esports pro.

>>14951612
Sounds like you are projecting your bad experiences onto strangers. Sorry about that, but please stop doing that.

>>14948522
What are these universal truths you speak of, m'lady?

>>14951686
OP is a faggot

>>14951663

Human beings are inherently degenerate, and pearl clutchers are always more perverse than the people they're claiming are degenerate. Fighting against supposed societal degeneracy is nonsense and always will be nonsense, Nazi's for example were literal Crowlian Satanic Occultists many of whom were gay. Conservatives are always useful idiots

>>14951642
>trying to argue that we are no more degenerate than ever before seriously

>>14951757
People who use the word "degenerate" think sex is degenerate, you know millenials are having less sex than ever in history, yes? Both men and women.

>>14951648
dealing with invaders taking advantage of native women is beyond based, faggot.

>>14951707
Well, I just don't like living in clown world. I feel like a fish trying to live on land, it's an unbearable and unnatural to me. I don't know if there's anything better, but I do know that I hate the current order of things with every fibre of spite in my being, and will do absolutely everything in my power to undermine it in anyway that for so long as I breath, because I can never make peace with it any more than I can make peace with suffocation. If it really is unsalavagable, then something new must be created in its place.

Are you surprised that the ones who are most deeply affected by "degeneracy" are the one's who seem to hate it the most?

>>14951777

It's always been a clown world, and fascism isn't going to turn that around

>>14951767
retard, you don't undertstand anything. not only is it not just sex, cumbrain, but the ones having sex are extremely promiscuous while a huge amount are unable to get much or any because of the situation allowing the former. also. kys

>>14951767
Having sex isn't degenerate. I think that not having sex at all and not pursuing genuine relatioship s s just as degenerate as being promiscuous, like what's happening in Japan.

>>14951707
cope and seethe, faggot

>>14951777
So you are the problem, and instead of going away and letting people enjoy their lives you want to spread the disease around like some reckless idiots with coronavirus? You deserve to be lynched you filthy evil monster.

>>14951773

Do you believe that women have no agency of their own? American's have a great history of being insecure pricks to foreigners, but it's not like we didn't do the same fucking thing to native Americans, but you're a /pol/ fag so you'll turn a blind eye to that

>>14951797

Nazi's were huge faggots, and Occultists. Typical conservatard useful idiot, fighting for heavier shackles because of your own pettiness

>>14951785
not it has not

>>14951790
>>14951792
>I am an incel incapable of being a decent partner, so instead of making myself better I want to drag everyone else down
So all that talk of "elevation" was just a bunch of bullshit? Not that I expected different from your kind of course.

>>14951804
nigger are you fucking with me or are you actually a women? no man could seriously write this shit.

>>14951809
cope
>>14951813
post tits

>>14951811

Every generation was full of perversity, there are no exceptions

>>14951822
Do the world a favor and kill yourself, you are the cancer that's killing humanity.

>>14951822

cope? You mean like being a bootlicker because daddy promised to make all the gross things go away?

>>14951799
If that's what it means to live authentically. I've only got one life, and I can't waste it worrying about what other people want.

>>14951790

Read this post whenever you don't understand the people who hate degeneracy. It's all about their own sexual inadequacies.

>>14951831
That goes for you >>14951777 too, by the way
You are responsible for your misery. People like >>14951777 who refuse to take responsibility should be legal to kill

>>14951841
And this, kids, is why everyone hates nazis.

>>14951831
>>14951838
post tits whores

>>14951864
Commit suicide faggot

>>14951846
>>14951853
post tits

>>14951873

>>14951813
>say it's good to pursue sex in a healthy and positive manner
>uncle
I just don't understand anymore.

>>14951865
seethe. post tits. no one cares about anything else you could post.

>>14951879
I pursued sex in a healthy and positive manner, and tried to say that wasn't good, you going back on your words now fag?

>>14951876
seethe. post tits
>>14951879
not understanding the ramblings of the feebler sex is normal.
>>14951896
post tits if you're going to make us read your stupid bullshit.

>>14951906
>>14951876

>>14951908
post tits

This is now a pro anti natalism thread

>>14951919
>>14951876

>>14951925
women are fucking embarrasing

>>14951922
I wouldn't have to suffer incels and their idiotic opinions if their mothers had aborted them all

>>14951940
>>14951876

>>14951845
women: to retarded to understand cause and effect when it isn't something direct and immediate. post tits

>>14951954
Cause and effect of what, your complete and total inability to be a decent person? Everyone except you understands that that's why nobody wants you :)

>>14951942
at least you recognize that your unkempt hole is the only value you have, and it is the centre of every thought you have. even your insults amount to nothing more than cheap threats to withhold it from strangers.

>>14951846
But I am taking responsibility. I am personally taking the state of being into my own hands, I am making war with the current order to the world, and setting myself to change it in whatever little ways that I can. The opposite, would be to resign it all to fate and happenstance.

>>14951853
I'm not a Nazi, but I understand that there are people who just don't get it.

>>14951964
>genuinely can't understand that people's actions have an effect on other and society
you really can't understand anything, even simple responsibility.
seethe some more, hole.

The "post tits" guy sure is seething. If your reaction to people disagreeing with you is to imply they're women (and therefore inferior and not worth listening to), it probably isn't "degeneracy" that's keeping you alone.

>>14952020
seethe

>>14952020
Post tits.

>>14951994
No you're not taking responsibility. Taking responsibility is admitting the fault here is yours, rather than learning to enjoy yourself minding your business you want to make people miserable out of nothing but petty jealousy. Cultivate? Someone as low as you never cultivated anything. Elevate? You're beneath everyone here, the lowest of the low is still a good person that doesn't wish harm on others just because they have it better than he does. You are nothing but a filthy hypocrite.

>I'm not a nazi
You are a nazi.

>>14952032
>the mind of a hole at work

>>14951981
>insane incel rambling
A post died for this.

>>14952038
Truth hurts the incel.

>>14952040
Post tits. I need to see some tits.

>>14952031

Read Hegel

>>14952053
See the tit on the right? It's telling the incel tit on the left to kill himself.

>>14952048
one again can only use ineffective insults based around her own holes. post tits
>>14952040
seethe. post tits.
>>14952067
only a woman could be this unoriginal.

>>14952020
Yeah, he mad.

>>14952032
I don't want to harm others, I am no sadist. I just want live a life that is true to who I am, and not one spent shackled by the moral preceps that have been set in place by others to restrain me. Should I ever harm another, it will be in the necessary pursuit of this authenticity, and not in any spirit of malice or spite. I don't envy others, I just understand that for some, our respective visions will invariably come to an impasse, and that we're playing a zero sum game where neither of us can get what we want without the other losing.

>post tits
>incel
>post tits
>incel
>post tits
>kys incel
>post tits post tits
>incel
>post tits
>incel
>I need to see some tits
>incel lol
>post tits
>incel incel incel
>post tits woman
>SEETHE

The absolute state of this board

>>14952271
if there were no foids, none of the brave men of /lit/ would have patrol duty. the rest of you should pitch in to get rid of them.

>>14949183
Yea bro 10yo girls spamming nudes on literally any app platform because your 'culture' has made them obsessed with the sexual efficacy of their bodies is totally good.

>>14948522

>>14948668
>economic rightism is a de-regulated global capitalist system and not illiberal economic systems like Distributism and Corporatism


when will this meme end, this is only true if you think classical liberalism and libertarianism are right wing

>>14953147
they are kinda libertarianism is definitely right wing b/c it doesn't make sense. "Socially liberal, fiscally conservatives" are a joke.