/lit/ - Literature

Let's see if somebody answers. I need to go to sleep soon.

>>14951495
Aquí habría Teatro, Narrativa en prosa y Poesía, ¿no?

¿Por qué no hacer unas 'charts' para cada una? Por ejemplo: "Canon del Siglo de Oro - Poesía/Prosa/Teatro".

También sería interesante hacer una "chart" de lo smístico sdel siglo XVI, XVI, de la Contrarreforma. Aquí en /lit/ la literatura religiosa cristiana atrae muchísimo, por lo que veo, pero muchas veces muy típica del mundo "anglo" (lo cual es evidente).

>>14951578
Puedo hacer una pequeña "chart" de introducción a cada autor, como la imagen que adjunto. Luego ya la publicas en los hilos que te den la gana.

>>14952584
Me los apunto para el siguiente hilo.

>>14953296
Genial, anón.

Alguien conoce algunos libros comfy acerca de personas que viven en una aldea o trabajan en un taller mecanico a la orilla de una carretera rural?

>>14958342
So where were we? Oh right, the bombs.

>>14958354
Not really. Also, English only, please.

el bumpo

>>14958354
Misterios de Hamsun

Any ideas for a "chart". Gonna start with those tomorrow.

>>14958342
anda a chupar callampas maricon culiao

>>14958377
>>14958353

>>14958342
What are the most fucked up Spanish-language novels?

>>14958377
Pa que haces este thread si no quieres escribir en espanol, vato?
Es como si hicieras una feria de la agricultura y prohibieras la entrada a la gente que quiera exponer a sus calabazas y girasoles.

>>14958412
Actualy, those are from another thread. An exception.

You see, 4chan doesn't allow threads with a majority of posts in another language that isn't English.

>>14958418
The Obscene Bird of Night

>>14958426
False equivalence. Get in or get out.

>>14958418
El Túnel from Sábato is pretty fucked up in a Notes from the Underground kinda way.

2666 at least a hundred pages describing the corpses of raped and murdered women so that's pretty edgy too.

Well, it's nice to see the thread starting to move.

Buenas noches.

>>14958489
Good night, sweet prince.

>>14958489
Bona nit blanca roseta,
plena de bones olors,
no hi ha al cel tantes estrelles
com vegades pens en vos.

Reiteró, ¿puede alguien explicarme el Raciovitalismo de éste lunático?

>>14958584
English or we'll be expelled again kek

I reiterate: could somebody please explain to me this lunatic's theory of vital reason?

Que se vayan a la mierda los jannies, aquí se discute más sobre literatura que todos los hilos activos ahora

>>14958408
As some anon previously stated, a few charts of major genres during the Siglo de Oro.
Cervantes, Quevedo, Góngora, Lope de Vega, Calderón, Bocángel, Sor Juana, Garcilaso de la Vega, Moreto, Santa Teresa, Gracián, et al.

>>14958408
What about "entry level novels for Spanish learners"? There's plenty of material to choose from, from children's books to existentialist novels, and there's some demand for that from what we can see on these threads

>>14958349
>hilo en español
>pero hablen en inglés
Mejor no tener un hilo en español que tener uno de mierda. Que los jannies me chupen la chota.

Cervantes was a Jew and that's a good thing.

>>14958354
Los Asquerosos, Santiago Lorenzo

>>14958408
A master chart like pic related but for Spanish-language lit from all countries

Nígeres, a ver si alguno tiene el pasta ese que enumera un montón de autores del canon de la filosofía.

Empieza rollo: ''Here's your daily reminder to stop reading pseudointellectuals, and instead read [retahila de nombres]''

Gracias de anteñocla

>>14959306
>Nígeres, a ver si alguno tiene el pasta ese que enumera un montón de autores del canon de la filosofía.
>Empieza rollo: ''Here's your daily reminder to stop reading pseudointellectuals, and instead read [retahila de nombres]''
>Gracias de anteñocla

Sheyyyyt I didn't know I couldn't write in Spanish in this thread, mods have mercy on our souls.

>>14959306
Reminder to ignore all pseudointellectual rhetoricians and instead go and read the complete works of Homer, Pindar, Plato, Aristotle, Sophocles, Euripides, Hesiod, Aristophanes, Herodotus, Arrian, Thucydides, Sappho, Plutarch, Ovid, Virgil, Lucretius, Arisoto, Horace, St. Augustine, Marcus Aurelius, Rabelais, Dante, Petrarch, Tasso, Bruno, Boccaccio, Leopardi, Machiavelli, Luther, Cervantes, Chaucer, the Beowulf poet, Chretien de Troyes, Marie de France, Sterne, Burton, Browne, Spenser, Wyatt, Sidney, Herbert, Percy Shelley, Tennyson, Donne, Pope, Dryden, Bacon, Novalis, Schelling, Schlegels, Hegel, Schopenhauer, Pascal, Lichtenberg, Dickinson, Shakespeare, Ibsen, Strindberg, Dickens, Marlowe, Diderot, Jonson, Potocki, Goethe, Bunyan, Gibbon, Addison, Smollett, Milton, Johnson, Boswell, Emerson, Quincey, Burke, Spinoza, Leibniz, Hume, Kant, Mary Shelley, Wollstonecraft, Racine, Baudelaire, Valery, Rimbaud, Verlaine, Moliere, Montaigne, Browning, Gray, Holderlin, Schiller, Shaw, Voltaire, Hugo, Balzac, Zola, Colette, Duras, Dumas, Stendhal, Nerval, Flaubert, Mallarme, Malraux, Chateaubriand, Artaud, Poe, Wordsworth, Coleridge, Blake, Byron, Keats, Arnold, Pater, Walter Scott, Swinburne, Thackeray, Rossetti, Carroll, William James, Henry James, Hawthorne, Twain, Melville, Dewey, Bergson, Whitehead, George Eliot, Williams, Frost, Cummings, Crane, Stevens, Whitman, Hughes, Plath, Trakl, Rilke, Celan, Montale, Neruda, Lorca, Tagore, Manzoni, Peake, Murdoch, Wharton, Wilde, Faulkner, O'Connor, Passos, Nietzsche, Marx, Adorno, Bloch, Lukacs, Bakhtin, Hamsun, Pushkin, Gogol, Tolstoy, Turgenev, Chekhov, Andreyev, Bely, Bulgakov, Gonchorov, Camoes, Pessoa, Queiroz, Saramago, Paz, Borges, Bloy, Pirandello, Huysmans, Lautreamont, Schwob, Casares, Bolano, Cortazar, Lima, Donoso, de Assis, Carpentier, Celine, Marquez, Unamuno, Gracq, Gide, Jarry, Camus, Conrad, Wells, Hardy, Salinger, Anderson, Ford, Maugham, Lawrence, Forster, Hrabal, Swift, Bronte, Woolf, Bachelard, Roussel, Beckett, Proust, Nabokov, Joyce, O'Brien, Yeats, Waugh, Heaney, Pinter, Auden, Hofmannsthal, Mann, Musil, Broch, Zweig, Bachmann, Jelinek, Lessing, Laxness, Simenon,Svevo, Levi, Buzzati, Quasimodo, Moravia, Llosa, Walser, Kafka, Babel, Schulz, Transtromer, Kertesz, Pavic, Andric, Grossmann, Linna, Mahfouz, Boll, Grass, Canetti, Pavese, Robbe-Grillet, Blanchot, Perec, Queneau, Calvino, Bernhard, Gass, Barth, Gaddis, Vollmann, Vidal, Hawkes, DeLillo, Pynchon, McCarthy, McElroy, Soseki, Murasaki, Shonagon, Kawabata, Mishima, Akutagawa, Tanizaki, Dazai, Oe, Xingjian, Mo Yan, Kosztolanyi, Gombrowicz, Ishiguro, Eco, Coetzee, Auerbach, Benjamin, Barthes, Pasternak, Derrida, de Man, Kristeva, Deleuze, Bateson, Foucault, Lyotard, Mcluhan, Eichenbaum, Davenport, Steiner, Munro, Carson, Handke, Arno Schmidt, Therouxs, Patrick White, Alfau, Marias, Enard, Claude Simon, Robinson, Elizabeth Bishop, Markson, Lowry, Bellow, Dara

>>14958788
yeah, but catholic

>>14958342

>official thread for Spanish /lit/erature (español).
>all posts need to be written in the English language.

No mameishon

>>14959336
let me know how I should reward you

>>14959366
but Jew, it's the blood that counts.

>>14959457
It keeps the plebs away. There was a faggot in the other thread who believed all the great poetry could only be written by adolescents and with adolescent themes lol

>>14959548
Don't worry, mate, my pleasure.

>>14959561
sure, many a jew abandoned their devil worshipping ways to join the newborn christianity :^)

>>14959574
I remember him, what a pleb

imagine how great spanish would sound if it weren't for these inbreeding cowfuckers and their devilish cavemen language

>>14959873
how did the basques influence the Spanish tongue?

>>14960133
all the -ez, -izq, the double rrs, words that seem difficult to pronounce it's because they have a basque origin. plus the phonetics are taken from basque.

>>14960168
>-ez
Like validez? sensatez?
>-izq
Example?
>plus the phonetics are taken from basque.
I didn't know that. Then why are the Spaniards so proud of their Castillian?

>>14960191
>A
Bc we raep'd one big continent, half of which you wouldn't imagine.

ibb dot com slash GnJ5hj9

>>14960191
>Like validez? sensatez?
yes and not only. the sufix -ez which means "son of" is taken from the basque language by the navarros. So now tere it are a lot of rodriguez, lopez, gomez, perez...
>Example?
izquierda.
>so proud of their Castillian?
Because it is stupidly considered the "neutral accent" of spanish. Well, in fact, we don't call the Spanish language spanish, we call it castillian.

>>14960242
there are a lot of*

>>14959873
Se ha estudiado el ADN de los europeos y todos tenemos un uno por ciento neandertal, excepto los vascos que tienen casi un cinco por ciento de neandertal.

Some interesting facts about Basque (I'm Basque):

"Water" is said "ur" in modern Basque, but in the ancient Basque it was said "iz". Modern Basque words including "iz" are: "izerdi", in english "sweat" (literally "half water"); "izotz", in english "ice" (literally "cold water"); "izurde", in english "dolphin" (literally "water pig").

Basques had its own 'pagan' religion (with its mythology). But betwen 10th and 17th century the Church supressed basque religion.

Its said that the basque lenguage was alredy spoken when men were living in caves. Its easy to imagine the people back then saying: ur/iz (water), su (fire), zur (wood), aiz (rock), lur (ground), ke (smoke), jo (hit), jan (eat), lan (work), lor (achieve).

Lastly, "axe" is said "aizkora", which includes the word "aiz" (rock) on it. So its posible that when basque was ""created"" axes were still made out of rocks.

>>14959873
>imagine how great spanish would sound if it weren't for these inbreeding cowfuckers and their devilish cavemen language
It'd probably sound closer to Portuguese, wouldn't it?

>>14960342
or to Galician, or to Catalan

>>14958342
Gongora>Quevado

>>14960389
Quevedo*

>>14960394
¿Qué vedes?

>>14960422
Esta

>>14960389
Lope de Verga

bumperino

I've been working in my latinamerican chart by country, this is what I've come down to with the recommendations here so far, what do you guys think? Not the best at photoshop, honestly.

>>14960696
Why not Distant Star or By Night in Chile instead of The Savage Detectives? They feel more Chilean.

>>14960696
Sor Juana feels kinda out of place. I'd suggest "Los años falsos" by Josefina Vicens, since it is an important underrated work that makes a nice bridge between Rulfo and Paz (although it was published much later than both Peter Praim and El laberinto)

>>14960852
She doesn't feel out of place. He's combing old with modern literature (see: Argentina-Martín Fierro, a work from the 19th century).

>>14960875
I agree, and in fact; I consider José Donoso a tad bit too contemporary and not as established as what should be taking his spot: Ercilla's La Araucanía, a masterful epic poem that even awed Cervantes himself.

>>14960902
Wasn't Ercilla a Spanish conquistador rather than a Chilean proper?

>>14958408
We need a chart on poetry and theatre of the Siglo de Oro and another one for the 20th century poetry.

It would be very cool to have one of testimonies fron the conquest of America like the Historia verdadera de la conquista de Nueva España de Bernal Diaz del Castillo.

>>14960696
Cuba: Paradiso (José Lezama Lima), El reino de este mundo (Alejo Carpentier), Tres Tristes Tigres (Guillermo Cabrera Infante)

>>14958788
Es solo un rumor.

>>14960696
So far, it looks great.

>>14961060
>Es solo un rumor.
Anon, yo...
https://www.h-net.org/~cervantes/csa/artics04/mcgaha.pdf

>>14961069
>[Cervantes'] two applications for jobs in the New World—in 1582 and in 1590—were denied.
Imagine the work he would've written had he known the New World.

>>14960719
I think Savage Detectives is a better introduction to Bolaños.
>>14960852
>>14960902
I've been putting suggestions plus writers I think were influential and give you a good perspective of each country. Of course, if one were to make of each country a chart that would then be better, but this one is just introductory, hence why there's only 3 of each country.
>>14961041
Adding them to the list!
>>14961060
Thanks!

bump

>>14958779
>>14958681
>>14959103
gotcha

>>14959574
>>14959457
>>14960967
nah. It's bc jannies will kick us out if they don't understand what we're writing about. In the long run, it's common sense, since they can't understand it, and they ought to hold the controle of their own website.

>>14960696
really nice, anón

This book needs more attention. Traditionalist Carlism with Aristotelian-Thomistic characteristics. Has anyone read it?

Voy a aprovechar la cuarentena para leerme el Quijote, y me entró la curiosidad de si a alguno de vosotros se lo hicieron leer en la escuela o es algo que sólo cuentan los boomers.

>>14962273
I've read the abridged version in school and later the full version on my own. It's really one of the best books the spanish language has to offer.

>>14962273
La leí traducida al inglés porque no podía entender el original, y sentí que estaba parecida al tipo de cosas que Mark Twain o Charles Dickens escribían.

>>14958354
Mi diario desu

>>14961147
>I think Savage Detectives is a better introduction to Bolaños.
It's too long for an introduction. It's one of his longer works. Distant Star is shorter yet it's the essence of Bolaño's writing, according to me but also many other critics. Don't know why people underrate this book.

>>14962311
>La leí traducida al inglés
Hay versiones en castellano moderno...

>>14962311
Al revés, Twain y Dickens se parecen a Don Quijote.

>>14962328
Not that guy but I jsut find TSD a much better book and probably the best starting point for Bolaño's oeuvre. I like Distant Star but this is not about picking the most Chilean of his novels.

>>14962365
It's just odd to call a 600-page book a "starting point" rather than the condensed 150-page masterwork.

I'm going to be learning Portuguese. Convince me out of it.

>>14962594
Go for it, it's a beautiful language and if you already speak Spanish it should be a cakewalk to get to an intermediate level.

>>14962594
Nah, sounds like your mind is made up. Waste of time.

>>14962474
>“Qué triste paradoja, pensó Amalfitano. Ya ni los farmacéuticos ilustrados se atreven con las grandes obras, imperfectas, torrenciales, las que abren camino en lo desconocido. Escogen los ejercicios perfectos de los grandes maestros. O lo que es lo mismo: quieren ver a los grandes maestros en sesiones de esgrima de entrenamiento, pero no quieren saber nada de los combates de verdad, en donde los grandes maestros luchan contra aquello, ese aquello que nos atemoriza a todos, ese aquello que acoquina y encacha, y hay sangre y heridas mortales y fetidez.”

>>14962609
>>14962611
I speak french. I would learn Spanish but I love Portuguese.

>>14962631
I mean as long as you speak another romance language you should be golden.

>Portuguese

>>14962629
In that case, if you want something like that, choose 2666, not Savage Detectives (which even won prizes for its perfection and it's a modern classic). Either way you mentioned a "starting point" not a "real combat" like the narrator says here.

>>14962631
We don't care. This is Spanish thread, not a Portuguese thread.

>>14962631
If you love portuguese then definitely go for it. It's a very cool language that will open some very hidden doors.
In any case, it's much easier to learn spanish knowing portuguese than vice versa.

>>14962703
>feeding the off-topic troll

>>14960696
No Carlos Fuentes for Mexico is an oversight.

>>14962311
cringe

>>14960696
for Ecuador: Pablo Palacio "vida de un ahorcado/un hombre muerto a punta pies" , Benjamín Carrión "Atahualpa" and Jorge Icaza "Huasipungo"

>>14962684
2666 is a posthumous novel with a 300 page chapter describing the corpses of raped and murdered women. We are pretty edgy in 4canal but that would pleb-filter a bunch of people. TSD has much lighter themes and is a lot more "closed" or finished than 2666. The structure is also not as jarring, while still being eperimental. I also happen to think that the second part of TSD is the best thing Bolaño ever wrote.

>>14962721
Yes, Terra Nostra is great but on the other hand, the Mexican area in that chart is perhaps the most balanced one: fiction, poetry and essay. I like that, and they're all good books.

>>14962311
Imagina tragarte la polla del tío Sam hasta este nivel

What is the great Uruguayan novel?

>>14962755
see
>>14960696

>>14960315
Does Izquierda come from Basque too?
Any books on the origin of the Basque? I've always been intrigued by them, I've heard the geography of the basque country played a part in conservating their unique culture. How true is that?

>>14962740
>2666 is a posthumous novel with a 300 page chapter describing the corpses of raped and murdered women. We are pretty edgy in 4canal but that would pleb-filter a bunch of people.
Oh I'm sorry, pal, I thought you wanted the "real combats into uncharted territory" or whatever. I didn't know you were a bit of a coward.
> TSD has much lighter themes and is a lot more "closed" or finished than 2666.
I thought you were didn't want the polished "training" exercises by the masters.
>The structure is also not as jarring, while still being eperimental.
There's nothing "jarring" about 2666's structure, and TSD is not that experimental.
>I also happen to think that the second part of TSD is the best thing Bolaño ever wrote.
Could be.

>>14960696
No Carlos Fuentes for Mexico and no Julio Cortázar for Argentina is a serious oversight.

>>14962757
so...lautreamont?

Parsece una bandera del orgullo gay.

>>14962803
>>14962745

>>14962806
El astillero

>>14962766
>Does Izquierda come from Basque too?
Yes
>How true is that?
Basques love to play the "never conquered by the romans" card, but the truth is that they lived relegated in some godforsaken mountains between modern day Spain and France. The Romans didn't give a fuck about conquering such territory, specially when the indigenous people resisted stubbornly in advantageous terrain, and there's plenty of more fertile lands to expand into. So obviously the terrain plays a big part on why the basques survived during millenia in their plot of land, shagging sheep and making cheese with their milk.

>>14962796
kek, me pillaste. Supongo que simplemente me gusta más los Detectives que Estrella Distante.

>There's nothing "jarring" about 2666's structure
Did we read the same book?

>>14962834
So technically they were never conquered by the Romans.

>>14962845
>kek, me pillaste. Supongo que simplemente me gusta más los Detectives que Estrella Distante.
I like both but as far as introduction goes, Distant Star could work better as an intro. BUT if we're going by the greater work instead of "starting points" then yes, Savage Detectives wins. Either way I'm happy with the rest. Now I kind of regret complaining like a child lol guess I just wanted some discussion.

Que pasen buen día. Regreso al rato.

>>14962848
They were, but their presence was not as strong as in other more lucrative parts of Spain, hence why it did not latinize so heavily.
Mountains and language isolates go hand in hand. Something similar happens with Georgian and the Caucasus, which some linguists have tried to relate with Basque.

>>14962898
Is it true they even met the Greeks? I read somewhere that the Greeks mentioned them in their texts as the "goat-herders" or "goat-people", something along those lines.

>>14962941
It's possible they did, but Greek settled Spain in the Mediterranean coast afaik. The basque territory in antiquity stretched father than modern day Euskal Herria tho so who knows.

The more plausible and crazy claim is that they arrived to America before Columbus in a similar way as the vikings, as they were prominent sailors and whale hunters.

>>14962973
The Basques were chads. Why do Spaniards hate them?

>>14962984
I don't

>>14960297
80% of Basques have negative blood. Quite a peculiar bunch of people.

>>14962273
Tuve que leer el Quijote a los 13 o 14 años. Lo intenté y terminé buscando resúmenes en internet. Que tiempos aquellos.
Muchos años después, usé el libro que compré para el secundario y leí la primera parte. Me encanto. Tengo pendiente la segunda.

>>14958342
The Irish Book of Fenagh records the Basques settling in Ireland. The book also documents the descendants of Noah settling in the Basque country. This legend states that the Basque people are direct descendants of Tubal, grandson of Noah, fifth son of Japheth. According to the legend, Japheth and his tribe, the Iberians, departed to the Iberian Peninsula, settling between the Pyrenees and the river Ebro, right after the confusion of languages in the Tower of Babel. The Celts called themselves Iberi, Hiberi, or Iveri which are all derived from the Biblical Hebrew pronounciation of the name Hebrew. Then, the Basque language would be one of the 72 languages that were created as a punishment of God after the Tower of Babel. I know you're probably laughing, but this is a theory.

>>14962984
Borges hated the Basque and blacks.

>>14963775
Borges had Basque blood himself. He was just bantering.

>>14960875
I don’t know about the book you are talking about it, but Martin fierro is a literature-defining book in Argentina. It’s not about combining old with modern lit. At least not there.

>>14962273
They tried to make us read it on HS, when I was 12 or 13. We read a few chapters from the 1st part, and then we had the exam.

>>14963075
>>14962845
>>14962807
>>14962316
>>14962311
>>14962273
English, please.
>inb4 "But why?"
Read: >>14961523

>>14962189
What is it about?

>>14964077
>English, please.
Me importa un carajo, tómatelas te dije

>>14964077
You were 23 on high school??

>>14964077
You were 12 on high school??

>>14964077
>English, please.
El jannie me chupa un huevo y parte del otro

>>14964097
>>14964180
>>>/taringa/

>>14964193
>>>/alv/

CHARTS TO BE MADE:

>Best books of the whole Spanish world (#1)
Any ideas?
-Don Quixote
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-

>Mysticism and Religious /lit/ in the Counter-Reformation period (#2)
Any ideas?
-Fray Luis de León: Cantar de los Cantares
-San Juan de la Cruz: his poems
-San Ignacio de Loyola: Spiritual Exercises
-Santa Teresa de Jesús: Camino de perfección, Moradas del castillo interior,
-San Juan de Ávila: "Audi filia, et vide", Epistolario espiritual para todos los estados


>Medieval Canon for Spanish language (#3)
Any ideas?
-Cantar de Mio Cid

>Siglo de Oro chart (#4)
-Cervantes:
-Quevedo:
-Góngora:
-Lope de Vega:
-Calderón:
-Bocángel:
-Sor Juana:
-Garcilaso de la Vega:
-Moreto:
-Santa Teresa:
-Gracián:


>Entry level novels for Spanish learners
-"Finis Mundi" by Laura Gallego
-"Memorias de Idún" by ídem.

>Introduction to [insert author's name]
Any ideas?

More suggestions for the chart:
>Romancero viejo
>La Celestina
>The complete poetry of Garcilaso (with the annotations of Herrera)
>The complete poetry of Fray Luis de León, San Juan de la Cruz, Fernando de Herrera
>Romancero Nuevo
>Soledades (Góngora)
>Los Sueños (Quevedo)
>El Criticón (Gracián)
>Lazarillo de Tormes

I'll be adding more later.

>>14964258
Where do I put these? tell me, i.e. #2, #3. I appreciate the suggestion, nonetheless, and I hope you make more.

>>14964209
>>>/int/

>>14964265
>Romancero viejo
Medieval
>Celestina
Prerrenacimiento
>Garcilaso, Fray Luis, San Juan, Herrera
Renacimiento
>Romancero nuevo
Despite been made by baroque poets, it is an imitation of the Romancero viejo, so it's hard to classify.
>Soledades, Sueños, Criticón
Barroco
>Lazarillo
I can't tell, sorry

There's more to add tho, just wait

Rolen your stacks for the cuarentena, I'm trapped in my parents' house and only me traje estos cuatro

>>14964378
Vaya tocho la edición de Grelos, la Teogonía tiene como 50 páginas en realidad.

>>14964378
>Spanglish
kys scumbag

>>14964388
Sí, incluye Los trabajos y los días, El escudo, Catálogo de mujeres y no recuerdo qué más

>>14964399
Me la pelas a dos manos

>>14964378

>>14964231
>Best books of the whole Spanish world (#1)
Cien años de soledad (García Márquez)
Quevedo's Poetry
Ficciones, El Aleph (Borges)
Pedro Páramo (Rulfo)
Residencia en la tierra, Canto general (Neruda)
La guerra del fin del mundo (Vargas Llosa)
Terra Nostra (Fuentes)
Zalacaín el aventurero (Baroja)
Fortunata y Jacinta (Pérez Galdós)

>>14964443
>Zalacaín el aventurero (Baroja)
Basado y Barojapastillado

>>14964416
faggot on top of all lmao classic shitcano

>>14964231
For the best books I'd add
Ficciones
Cien Años de Soledad
[Some Anthology] (or maybe Azul) by Darío
San Manuel Bueno, Mártir
Don Juan Tenorio by Zorrilla
Canto General by Neruda
Terra Nostra by Fuentes
Concierto Barroco by Carpentier
Episodios Nacionales by Galdós
Rayuela
Martín Fierro
Pedro Páramo
El Lazarillo de Tormes
Marco Bruto by Quevedo
The Motorcycle Diaries by Che
El Laberinto de la Soledad by Paz
Oráculo by Gracián
Castillo Interior by Santa Teresa
La Araucana by Ercilla
Yo, El Supremo
Facundo by Sarmiento
And some selected poems by the likes of Miguel Hernández, Góngora, Bécquer, Garcilaso, et al.

>>14964430
Justo ayer me encontré la película de Hannah Arendt en la tele

>>14964462
No sabía que había una película, pero tiene sentido, por lo que sé tuvo una vida bastante interesante

>>14964450
>shitcano
¿Acaso los no chicanos no pueden hablar spanglish, ignorante pedazo de mierda?

Jesus Christ you guys, get it together for fuck's sake

WRITE IN ENGLISH OR THE THREAD WILL BE DELETED/MOVED TO /int/

>>14964496
>habla en spanglish
>llama ignorante a otra persona

>>14964496
You are worse than a Chicano, you are voluntarily Chicano in spirit. You can't get any worse than that.

>>14964486
El tema principal es el juicio de Eichmann (no sé si lo escribí bien) que tuvo que cubrir como periodista pero es una buena película

>>14964449
based barojabro

>>14964519
Explícate

>>14964538
>chicano in spirit
Bitch where did you get that shit?

>>14964430
Qué es una Tiergeschicht?

>>14964556
Now you're going to try the nigger angle kek what an embarassment.

>>14964581
Simón, joto

>>14964612
CHIfag

>>14964454
El llano en llamas for short stories
I would take out Paz's Laberinto, I think he's better at poetry
Also, La región más transparente by Fuentes

>>14964567
Tier: Animal
Geschichten: historias
El título sería algo así como cuentos de animales de otros países. Tiene sobretodo cuentos rusos, ingleses y franceses traducidos al alemán. Chejov, Tolstoi, Maupassant, O'Henry...

Lo dejaron en el rellano de mi edificio y me llamó la atención porque a parte está muy bien ilustrado.

>>14964638
>Also, La región más transparente by Fuentes
Terra Nostra is better

>>14964620
Simón, joto

>>14964683
>Simón, joto

>>14964709
Simón, joto

>>14964717
>>14964709

>>14964406
>Catálogo de mujeres
mfw

>>14964443
>>14964454
very nais

>>14964717
>>14964709
>>14964683
>>14964655
>>14964612
>>14964567
>>14964545
>>14964539
>>14964519
>>14964496
>>14964486
>>14964462
>>14964416
>>14964406
>>14964388
We need to use English. Threads in other languages aren't allowed on this particular board

>>14964754
Simón, joto

>>14964754
The shitcano will ruin the thread just like ruined America.

>>14964671
>>14964638
I also believe Terra Nostra to be better - however the Royal Spanish Academy published a special edition of La Región Más Transparente. Regardless the Cervantes Prize was given to Fuentes for Terra Nostra.
Fun fact, after Fuentes received the award, García Márquez shared a flight with Vargas-Llosa; a strong turbulence made the colombian grab the peruvian's arm, the former then asked: "Tell me the truth, did you read Terra Nostra?"

Simon, faggot

>>14964772
US ruined America

>>14964813
America in English =/=América in Spanish

>>14964818
Right
US ruined América

>>14964781
Really? Do you have sauce?
Also, can we laugh in spanish? I mean "jajaja" and not "hahaha"

>>14964781
Do we know what Vargas Llosa replied?

>>14964857
He waited until he fell asleep and then gave him a mortadelo

>>14964847
Unfortunately we must suffer through hahahahs

https://www.proceso.com.mx/404098/cumple-40-anos-la-siempre-polemica-terra-nostra-de-carlos-fuentes

>>14964857
If I remember correctly, the article doesn't five deeper into the anecdote. Sorry.

>>14958342
Puhas queste en marcion por ennes un votar? Par mes vahs mon des retard.

>>14964430
>Deutsch
Mein negro.

>>14964943
Fuck

>>14965086
This meme's for you

Hey /SpGT/, how about we start a book club? It would help keep the general alive. We could just pick a book, read a certain amount of pages each day and discuss it in the thread. I say we start with Pedro Páramo or Don Quixote, but suggestions are always welcomed.

>>14965204
That sounds great. I might not join in, but adding it to the initial posts in the next threads is a must. What could we read? I think Don Quixote is just too much for starters.

>>14965224
I think anything from here >>14964454 would be a good starting point. Maybe Ficciones or if we want to go full meme-ish Lazarillo de Tormes

>>14965266
>Ficciones
I read a book by Borges. It was titled "Cuentos completos", and I am afraid it's just the same book with another name.

The Lazarillo sounds ok. Let's see what other people have to say, anyways.

>>14965224
>>14965204
You can also put a short story up with every OP. You can find a bunch of classic ones here

https://ciudadseva.com/biblioteca/indice-autor-cuentos/

>>14962273
Yo lei hasta el capitulo donde Don Quijote charla con unos yangueses. Tengo ganas de leerlo nuevamente, ya que siento que me perdi de muchos detalles.

>>14964231
Recomiendo las memorias de Bartolome sobre la situacion de los Indios durante la llegada de los Españoles.

>>14964454
Needs Cuentos de la Selva by Quiroga.

>>14965417
The idea is to read something, altogether, rather than making a recommendation

>>14965425
In what chart could I place that?

>>14965452
Bueno, yo empecé el Quijote ayer y imagino que me puede durar la cuarentena entera.

>>14965386
Ficciones is a collection in Cuentos completos.

¿Por qué lo llaman "el" Quijote? Ejemplo: "Leo el Quijote", en lugar de "Leo Don Quijote". Nunca lo he visto con algún otro libro.

t. SSL

>>14965452
In the first chart you mentioned.

>>14965564
Suena mejor con la abrevacion. Decirlo completo suena raro, es como decir que leiste a una persona y no un libro.

>>14965564
También se dice "el Fausto" o "el Zaratustra"

>>14965564
El Quijote is the book, Don Quijote is the character.

>>14965564
Pues bien podría ser porque un quijote es la pieza de una armadura, de manera que cuando se habla de «El Quijote», bien sea refiriéndose al libro o al personaje, la gente tiende a sustantivarlo.

>>14965605
¿Entonces por qué nunca se escucha "Leo el Pedro Páramo" o "Leo la Marianela"? ¿Por qué solo "Leo el Quijote"?

>>14965621
The book is literally called Don Quijote.

>>14965656
Because it's considered the magnum opus of the Spanish language. You say "EL Quijote" just like you say "LA Biblia". It remarks the importance of the book.

Here in Argentina our magnum opus is "Martin Fierro", and we also say "EL Martin Fierro". I bet it's the same on a lot of countries.

>>14965669
No, it's called "El ingenioso hidalgo don Quijote de la Mancha".

>>14965786
>>14965634
>>14965656
It's not because of that. We usually refer to the book as "El Quijote" not because of the armor piece the name is based on, nor because of its importance or relevance. It's, in part, to make a distinction from the character, Don Quijote, and the book, "Don Quijote", and also because of what>>14965618 said. Some books are referred to like that, like Joyce's Ulysses (el Ulises de Joyce), while others aren't (Pedro Páramo, for example), even though they both have the name of a person as their title. I once took a class on El Quijote, and our teacher was a Cervantes specialist. He explained just that to us. There really isn't anything else to it. Certainly it's not because it is the "magnum opus of the Spanish language", what a silly reason.

>>14965462
And more. Lol. Tell us how you liked it when you finish it.

>>14965531
Welp, there ya go.

>>14965582
>In the Best Spanish books
Idk anón, I don't see it. Maybe into a Spanish history chart

I'd like to take advantage of these new generals to start peddling a product every single one of you ought to be interested in:
A Fondo
It was a spanish interview show during the later seventies that leaned towards haute culture, particularly in the literary field. Fortunately for us all many of their episodes are readily available on Youtube.
It is amazing to see many greats of our culture as wholly living beings, instead of the usual mausoleum that is the cannon.

Fuentes' interview is one my favourites.

https://youtu.be/e8DUO0gbo58

>>14965895
That's great, anón.

Vargas Llosa hasn't changed a bit, I can tell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtbDYYfE08k&list=PL-N1ct2ALL2E9D_BfyrfaMUiw7irl7_qJ&index=20

>>14965895
Seguidamente, si hay un deje más contemporáneo: ADEH TV
Es una maravilla, un dueto argentino de letrados discute apasionadomente los detalles de alguna determinada temática literaria. Son bastante sabidos, empero principalmente son muy lúcidos; no dan pena ajena como otros críticos modernos, en vez propugnan algo muy loable - el amor a nuestra cultura, y a la cultura en general.
Tienen un carácter muy panhispánico, también un toqué de gracia rioplatense - ah y, solo duran media hora.

Son como Jesús G. Maestro sans el autismo.

Su episodio sobre Carpentier me fascina.
https://youtu.be/VIiyk9cjvdk

>>14965846
Got it, mate. Thanks.

>>14965935
lol the interview mentions his fight with García Márquez

>>14965939
they were mentioned in the last thread as well. I like the guys. Great duo.

/lit/ no sirve para discutir sobre literatura hispana. Vayan a un lugar en donde se pueda hablar en español. Mejor para todos. Aparte esta board está cada día peor, se encuentra cada hilo que parece que nadie leyó en su puta vida un libro. No hay sentido de la estética ni de nada.

>>14960852
Los años falsos es fantástico anon, pero definitivamente sor Juana merece estar ahí, es cierto que Vicens sieve como un buen puente entre ellos dos, y que además es quien hizo posibles a autores como Elizondo, pero no es tan buen escritora como sor Juana. Sigo creyendo, sin embargo, que Paz no es la mejor opción para poner ahí.

>>14964231
>Medieval Canon for Spanish language
Los esenciales son El Amadís, Cárcel de Amor, La celestina, El libro del buen amor y tal vez El conde lucanor. A parte de ellos están Las cántigas de Alfonso X, Berceo, el Marqués de Santillana y Laberinto de Fortuna. (aunque no he leído los últimos dos) Estuve ojeando otro libro de caballerías que se llama El caballero de Zifar que parece estar interesante, pero no sé sabría decir si merece un lugar en el "canon" de la literatura medieval hispánica.

>>14966298
Y casi lo olvido pero también las coplas a las muertes de su padre, esencial.

>>14966298
¿Cómo que «talvéz» el Conde Lucanor?
Me quitas a Patronio de ese canon y te quito los huevos, cabrón.

>>14966298
El Libro de Aleixandre is a great epic poem of the mediaeval iberian tradition; Saint Isidore of Sevilla is the last great scholar of classical cloth, however he's arguably mediaeval. Cheers on metioning the Cantigas de Santa María, the King's Historia General is grand too.
Sll thst being said: el Conde Lucanor is vital to that list. This meme was made by the Ñatronio gang

quick, post the novel you think has the best prose in spanish

Alguien conoce dónde puedo encontrar la habitación de giovanni por James Baldwin? Ya he buscado en los sitios de OP

>>14966472
>reading negroes

>>14960434
Embase

>>14964556
the aristocratic spirit sort fo

>>14965224
>>14965204
Llano en llamas may be a good first run.

bump

Three fucking threads and fucking nobody has talked about Juan José Arreola.
For the chart I would say:
Confabulario by Arreola
Los recuerdos del porvenir by Garro
El llano en llamas is more representative of México than Pedro Páramo.

Don't forget about Roa Bastos, he is pretty good too.

Also, we are skipping (Kind of irrelevant) countries like the sealess Bolivia, Puerto Rico, República Dominicana and Guatemala (Miguel Ángel Asturias (pbuh)).

>>14962755
Something from Levrero or Onetti.

>>14967590
>Los recuerdos del porvenir by Garro
That's just a poor man's Pedro Páramo.
>El llano en llamas is more representative of México than Pedro Páramo.
Both are good, but Pedro Páramo is more well-known and the closest thing Mexico ever got to a national tier book. The way Moby-Dick is for Americans or Les Misérables is for the French. Even Borges included it in a list of books every man should read and called it one of the best books in all of literature (not just Latin American one).

>>14967615
>muh national epic
Jesus Christ

>>14967643
I never said epic. I said national book. Pic semi related (yea some choices suck).

>>14967650
That still doesn't mean much. There have been plenty of books that could be called "national" because they deal with the character of Mexico. Los años falsos and El laberinto de la soledad are two of them. La muerte de Artemio Cruz, Los relámpagos de agosto and the essays of Carlos Monsiváis are others. Saying that Pedro Páramo Is "the closest thing Mexico ever got to a national tier book" only shows a complete lack of knowledge about Mexican literature (and even some disrespect, because Pedro Páramo is not even a national book in that way, it's just "the closest thing" to one). Pedro Páramo is an important novel, but the way you build the case for it is pretty flimsy.

>>14967673
> Los relámpagos de agosto
I would have no problem calling this the national book. Based.
> La muerte de Artemio Cruz
Isn't Artemio Cruz a nigger rather than a proper Mexican? La región más transparente is more representative of Mexico, and it also deals with many kind of Mexicans: rich, poor, workers, intellectuals, etc.

All the other books you mentioned aren't really the national book. You know it deep in your heart that Pedro Páramo is the national book of Mexico, you're just a contrarian.

>>14967696
>Isn't Artemio Cruz a nigger rather than a proper Mexican?
No? What are you talking about?

The problem with a term like "national book" is that it doesn't mean anything, and as I said, you used it in a very poor way. The other works are mentioned can be considered national books basically for the reason I first stated. I mean, use that term if it helps you, just don't base your whole argument on it.

>>14967751
>No? What are you talking about?
Artemio Cruz was the bastard son of a Mulatto slave woman.
>The problem with a term like "national book" is that it doesn't mean anything, and as I said, you used it in a very poor way. The other works are mentioned can be considered national books basically for the reason I first stated. I mean, use that term if it helps you, just don't base your whole argument on it.
Okay, mate.

>>14967765
But how does that make Artemio Cruz not a "proper Mexican"? Are you suggesting there is such a thing as a pureblood Mexican race?

>>14967784
>Are you suggesting there is such a thing as a pureblood Mexican race?
No, but Mexican is someone in the spectrum of Spanish-blooded and Native-blooded. Niggers aren't true Mexicans. Artemio Cruz is not a true Mexican. He will always be a bastard, literally, figuratively and ethnically..

What should I read of Francisco de Vitoria? I'm writing my thesis right now, it's on the early modern world interstate system and I feel like he could be relevant.

>>14967801
>afromexicans not real
uuuuuuuh based?

Bump

¿Cuál es vuestro cuento de Borges favorito?

La Casa de Asterión reporting in

>>14966298
>>14966303
nice

>>14967590
what chart, nigga?

>>14968798
>>14966472
>>14966461
>>14966367
>>14966303

In attention to the rest of the /lit/ community, refrain to use Spanish from now on.

How long would it take to learn to read Spanish at an intermediate level?

>>14968866
Note I only want to read it. I don't care at all about listening or speaking ability.

>>14968841
>In attention to the rest of the /lit/ community, refrain to use Spanish from now on.
Qué pesado guacho, ya te hemos dicho que no

>>14968866
What's your native language and do you speak any others?

>>14968910
>What's your native language and do you speak any others?
My native language is English. I'm monolingual but I know a non-trivial amount of Latin.

>>14968798
Historia de Rosendo Juárez. I think that's really experimental for Borges, not like things he wrote before or after. El informe de Brodie is quite a peculiar work and one of my favourite.

>>14968910
It's not me. The first 2 threads were 95% Spanish. It's the janitors.

>>14968841
The chart of three autors for every latinamerica country.

>>14968798
La Lotería de Babilonia es basado y Borgespilleado.

>>14967696
Based

I live near Rulfo was born. I love Rulfo and his books, even the unknown Gallo de Oro, but we have more representative books than Pedro Páramo. I'm not saying it's bad. For "short stories" Macario, Diles que no me maten, Luvina (representation of my small city) and Es que somos muy pobres, they are all pretty solid, talk about real mexican struggle in the XX century.

La región más transparente, Los de abajo or El laberinto de la soledad are my picks.

Artermio Cruz was a nigger and a represetation of the 1910 revolution gone wrong.

>>14969317
Se dice Borgespastillado, hablen con propiedad.

>>14967590
>>14969346
Nice, I'll take that into consideration.

>>14968798
Tres Versiones de Judas
Pierre Menard
El Immortal
El Suicida
Casa de Asterión

>>14969317
>La Lotería de Babilonia
Esto

Is it catalan literature allowed in this thread? I was thinking of reading Tirant lo Blanch but I've never studied the language (tho I knew a little of vocabary). How much of a tough reading would it be?

>>14958354
Platero y yo

>>14969641
Very tough, it is written in an old form of Catalan (or Valencian if you want) and spelling and lexicon is different from modern Catalan.

Com cony penses llegir-te una novel·la així si mai has estudiat català?

>>14969675
>Com cony penses llegir-te una novel·la així si mai has estudiat català?
I mean, both are quite similar languages (at least when it comes to their respective modern versions). Formerly I've been reading some stuff in Catalan/Valencian such as Fuster's Nosaltres els valencians (I'm not an indepe or anything, I'm just interesed in nationalisms) with no major issues

>>14962273
De qué version del quijote estamos hablando?

>>14964373
What Herrera?

>>14968916
Not very long. Spanish is not a very hard language and there are lots of resources for learning, but I don't think latin would be game changing except maybe for the vocabulary.

If it is only for reading I think around one year could do it, but if you want to read something like Don Quijote or the poetry of Góngora it will obviously take longer.

>>14968798
La biblioteca de Babel
>>14969317
Buena elección caballero

>>14969675
>Imagina llegir la versió en castellà
>Tirando lo blanco

CHARTS TO BE MADE:

>Best books of the whole Spanish world (#1)
Any ideas?
-Don Quixote
-Cien años de soledad (García Márquez)
-Quevedo's Poetry
-Ficciones, El Aleph (Borges)
-Pedro Páramo (Rulfo)
-Residencia en la tierra, Canto general (Neruda)
-La guerra del fin del mundo (Vargas Llosa)
-Terra Nostra (Fuentes)
-Zalacaín el aventurero (Baroja)
-Fortunata y Jacinta (Pérez Galdós) -Ficciones
-Cien años
-Antologçia de Rubén Darío
San Manuel Bueno, mártir
-Don Juan Tenorio
-Concierto Barroco (never Heard of it)
-National Episodes by Galdós
-Rayuela (Idk, it’s boring af)
-Martín Fierro
-Marco Bruto by Quevedo
The Motorcycle Diaries by Che
El Laberinto de la Soledad by Paz
Oráculo by Gracián
Castillo Interior by Santa Teresa
La Araucana by Ercilla
Yo, El Supremo
Facundo by Sarmiento
Confabulario by Arreola
And some selected poems by the likes of Miguel Hernández, Góngora, Bécquer, Garcilaso, et al.

>Mysticism and Religious /lit/ in the Counter-Reformation period (#2)
Any ideas?
-Fray Luis de León: Cantar de los Cantares
-San Juan de la Cruz: his poems
-San Ignacio de Loyola: Spiritual Exercises
-Santa Teresa de Jesús: Camino de perfección, Moradas del castillo interior,
-San Juan de Ávila: "Audi filia, et vide", Epistolario espiritual para todos los estados


>Medieval Canon for Spanish language (#3)
Any ideas?
-Cantar de Mio Cid
-Romancero Viejo
-La Celestina
-El Amadís
-Cárcel de Amor
-El libro del buen amor
-El conde Lucanor
Cántigas de Santa María (Alfonso X)
-Sth by Berceo
-Sth by Marqués de Santillana
Laberinto de Fortuna
-Las coplas de Jorge Manrique
El libro de Aleixandre Any more ideas?
>Siglo de Oro chart (#4)
-Cervantes:
-Quevedo:
-Góngora:
-Lope de Vega:
-Calderón:
-Bocángel:
-Sor Juana:
-Garcilaso de la Vega:
-Moreto:
-Santa Teresa:
-Gracián:
-Fray Luis de León
San Juan de la Cruz
-Lazarillo de Tormes (Anonymous)
I need titles for this one


>Entry level novels for Spanish learners
-"Finis Mundi" by Laura Gallego
-"Memorias de Idún" by ídem.

>Introduction to [insert author's name]
Any ideas?

>>14968798
Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius. No hay otra respuesta para mí.

>>14969896
>Rayuela (Idk, it’s boring af)
His short stories are way better

>>14969896
>Medieval Canon for Spanish language
>Cántigas de Santa María (Alfonso X)
Wait, aren't them written in Portuguese?

Added Cuba though I still think Martí should be there and Venezuela. More feedback is always welcomed.

>>14970053
Can you change the cover of Pedro Páramo to another where the title can be easily read? Something like pic rel.

>>14970053
>>14970082
Or pic related.

>>14969960
You're right, however they're also definitely part of the spanish mediaeval cycle of literature (particularly due to one of the authors, one of our kings) - Galician, the language of the text, is at the very frontier of Castillian proper and Portuguese. And, frankly, quite understandable to one who can read Castillian of that age.
>>14969896
For the Siglo de Oro ouevres:
Don Quixote, (if you don't want to be too cliché: his Novelas Ejemplares are quite good - his Parnaso Español is excellent)
Sueños y Dicursos / Marco Bruto by Quevedo
An Anthology or Selected Poems by Góngora
Fuenteovejuna by Lope
La Vida es Sueño by Calderón
Selected Poems by Bocángel
Idem for Sor Juana
Likewise for Garcilaso (although his Sonnets, and his Egloglas are enoguh to demonstrate his mastery)
El desdén con el desdén de Moreto
Castillo Interior by Santa Teresa
Oráculo or, maybe, El Criticon for Gracián
Selected poems by Fray Luis
La Noche Oscura del Alma for San Juan
El Lazarillo is a good choice

Tirso de Molina's Burlador de Sevilla is crucial
Maybe something by Ruiz de Alarcón, but I fear the list is getting too theatrical

>>14970053
don't add the websites, since some of the links might be worthless in a couple of years. And write the author and title under the covers, so it's easier to read it. The rest is great.

>>14969960
They are written in Galaician-Portuguese, but I think we can open our grip a little bit. Specially considering that nobody is gonna make a "Galician-Portuguese MIddle Ages chart". Moreover, it's historically close to in-Spanish literature

>>14969939
>>14970101
Gotcha

>>14970085
This one is kino
I agree Martí must be in Cuba, Carpentier is great though - Maybe Tres Tristes Tigres?

>>14969896
>>14970053
You are mah niggas.

OuPi, I think we should do "Guide to Borges" (pic of Mishima related), "Guide to Bolaño" or "Guide to Magic Realism" or the Boom.

Anon-chan of charting, I'm mexican, but I will search for authors of countries like Paraguay and Bolivia.

>>14967888
what he's saying is that the true feel of a mexican is some spanish/native american mutt, anything thrown into the mix that excludes one (ie like a pureblooded lebanese) is not a true mexican
kinda makes sense but DESU who gives a shit as long as you're a violent cumbrain you're the same as any other mexican
t. beaner

>>14970112
who needs a guide to Borges? lol

>>14967751
>No? What are you talking about?
someone didn't read the book lol

>>14970101

>La vida es un sueño
>El Criticón
>Ruíz de Alarcón
>Burlador de Sevilla

Señor, me quito el sombrero ante usted, ha vuelto mi fe en este board.

>>14970123
me

>>14970112
gotcha. feel free to give us some of his works, and in what order we should read those.

>>14970123
Borges himself, when he became blind.

>>14970130
>me
okay, OuPi, but only because we like you.

>>14970143
A-anón- desu, I-I... *blushes*

>>14968916
I would focus on one specific variety of Spanish at a time and then work my way through different dialects, otherwise you are gonna go crazy.

I would start with Spanish from Spain, learn it fully, read the literature, then move on to Mexico, Argentina or another country of your choosing.

If you are starting from a zero level, Duolingo is a good first stepping stone. Then more comprehensive grammar lessons from an institute or online classes.

As for the literature, I would suggest reading children's books at first. Something like the Spanish translation of The Little Prince, would be a good start. That's what I did on my English classes, (Admittedly, I took 15 years of English lessons since I was a little kid going to a bilingual kindergarden, school, then high school) but that's basically what we did. Starting which children's books, then moved into young adult literature and finally the classics like Hemingway, Wilde, Dickens, etc.

It should take you around 3 to 5 years to master Spanish completely if you go to a good school. I would say two years for a solid intermediate level.

>>14970143
He is a good guy, he is doing well.


>>14970130
I will, just let me think the correct way.
I can't contribute a lot since I'm a medic and the SARS-COV-2 is changing my schedule.

I respect you a lot, and thanks.

Keeping touch, motherfucker.

>>14970175
>I'm a medic and the SARS-COV-2 is changing my schedule.
Well, damn. You mean the coronavirus, aight? Godspeed, anón.

>>14970130
This is how *I* personally would do a Borges chart:

Poetry or Short stories?
>Short stories -> Start with El Aleph
>Want more beautiful prose? -> Ficciones
>Want more latin references? -> El libro de Arena
>Want more metaphysic? -> La memoria de Shakespeare

>Poetry -> Start with El hacedor
>More argentinian-style? -> Fervor de Buenos Aires
You'll guys have to fill in here since I don't like poetry much.

>I want to understand Borges -> Start with Inquisiciones.
>I want more -> Otras inquisiciones
>I want more argentinism -> El idioma de los Argentinos
>I want to feel -> El tamaño de mi Esperanza
>I want to know what was Borges' standard -> Antología de la literatura fantástica

>>14970082
>>14970085
Will change the cover, thanks!

>>14970103
I'll take the websites but I think adding the author and title is not important. I'll keep it in mind when I'm done with the final details.

>>14970112
I wanted recommendations but I'll also start searching for literature on more countries, my idea is to get at least the majority of them (fuck Suriname, though).

>>14970223
>Short stories -> Start with El Aleph
>Want more mind-blowing stories? -> Ficciones
>Want fictional accounts of historic figures? -> Historia universal de la infamia
>Want more stories like those in Ficciones? -> El libro de Arena
>Want Borges' swan song? -> La memoria de Shakespeare

>>14970223
>>14970278
That's very nice
>>14970240
It's more comfortable, bc some covers have it written in a small size.

dead thread

>>14970240
>fuck Suriname, though

UWAT ZEG JE DAAR TATTA. MOET JIJ GEKLAPT UWORDEN KAOLO IPNE

>>14969896
How about Ortega y Gasset/Rubén Darío/Federico García Lorca?

Which one should I read first?

>Cien años de soledad (García Márquez)
>2666 (Bolaño)
>El árbol de la ciencia (Baroja)
>La regenta (Clarín)
>Fortunata y Jacinta (Pérez Galdós)
>Paradiso (Lezama Lima)
>Los cuatro jinetes del apocalipsis (Ibáñez)

>>14970709
El árbol de la ciencia is a very good read and written in a quite understandable style, so start there. Most complex novel in your list is Paradiso. 2666 is not hard just long.

>>14970683
What charts?

>>14970803
t. OP

>>14969896
>La guerra del fin del mundo (Vargas Llosa)
I thought La fiesta del Chivo was better.

>>14970869
i can add that one too

>>14958342
>>14969896
Hilo basado. Espero los charts
>>14968798
>El Otro
>El Inmortal
>Undr
>El Espejo y la Máscara
>>14970053
Quizas podrías hacer una hilera para Centroamérica

Onions principiante en la literatura, me gustaría que me recomendaran donde comenzar con: Adolfo Bioy Césares, Rubén Darío, Ernesto Sabato, Julio Cortázar.
Gracias hermanos, espero que los jannies no quiten el hilo.

>>14971265
>Adolfo Bioy Césares
La invención de Morel
>Rubén Darío
Azul
De Cortázar solo he leído la Rayuela, y de Sabato no he leído nada aún

>>14971265
>Quizas podrías hacer una hilera para Centroamérica
The idea is to have all latin countries, regardless of the location.
>>14971265
>Adolfo Bioy Césares
* La invención de Morel.
>Rubén Darío
Never read him.
>Ernesto Sabato
Trash imo, but if you must, El Tunel.
>Julio Cortázar
Bestiario or Todos los fuegos del Fuego.

>>14971265
>Ernesto Sabato
El Túnel y luego Sobre Héroes y Tumbas
>Julio Cortázar
Agarra cualquier colección de cuentos suyos.
Como cuentos individuales te recomiendo
>Carta a una Señorita en París
>La Continuidad de los Parques
>Un Lugar Llamado Kindberg
>Autopista Sur

>>14971265
Casares* no "Césares"

>>14971265
>Gracias hermanos, espero que los jannies no quiten el hilo.
They remove the threads because you cunts can't use fucking English.

>>14971265
A Darío se le dió el epíteto: el príncipe de las letras castellanas; y fue por algo. Es el mejor poeta que he leído en todo sentido. Leed «La Cabeza del Rawi» para corroborar.
Cortázar tiene buenísimos cuentos; Sabato destaca en su Túnel y su otra novela. A Bioy Caseres lo desconozco.
Pero, si sois principiante, os incíto a leer algunos clásicos que permearon toda nuestra literatura (a la el Lazarillo, quizás la Celestina o el Amadís para así poder elevarse al Quijote eventualmente).
Don Juan Tenorio de Zorilla es una maravilla. Las obras de Unamuno también. Ambas excelentes para principiantes del sintaxis castellano.

Made an image for the next OP: https://i.imgur.com/qLFtXPY.png

>>14971350
Bioy Casares tiene uno que otro cuento bueno. La invención de Morel no me gustó pero inspiró una película que sí me gusto, El año pasado en Marienbad . No he leído sus otras novelas.

No entiendo por qué carajo no podemos hablar nuestro idioma si esto es un thread para literatura en español. Además ayudaría a los guiris que están aprendiendo castellano.

>>14971373
kek

>>14971395
Only in /int/ (and /trv/) you can post in languages apart from english, but it's not a rule violation per se. I suppose they don't want retards chimping out in seven different languages.

>>14971413
>I suppose they don't want retards chimping out in seven different languages.
It's not like having all of them chimp out in the same language makes it any better desu

>>14971433
But at least in one language they understand what users a're saying and act accordingly.

>>14971433
Maybe it'll make the poor jannies overlook, say, illicit activities? How could they know if the Serbo-Croat discussion turned pedophiliac a few posts ago? Bless their monoglot hearts.

>>14958342
Ten posts until we reach bump limit, right? OuPi ready the next thread! I hope #4 is just as good!

This year I'll read Arreola's complete fiction, after last year's scandal (the confirmation of his raping Poniatowska). Not because I approve of it, quite the contrary, but because I've been postponing reading him and now seems like the time to do it. Looking forward to it.

>>14972690
Borges thought highly of Arreola and they were pals. He's definitely worth reading.

>>14972690
>>14972807
are there any epubs/pdfs of his work in english? nothing on libgen

>>14972690
It's not confirmed he raped her. That's what what she says. The Arreola family has said they have letters confirming a complicated love affair between the two.

>>14972936
TFW NO QT castiza TO RAPE /it/

>>14972936
Poniatowska herself confirmed that Arreola raped her, and it had been a "secreto a voces" for many years. Of course the Arreola's would defend the reputation of their father, and it obviously was a complicated love affair (not unlike that between Arreola and Tita Valencia). Arreola was not an exemplary man with women, that's been documented, just as his exemplary behaviour towards his friends is also documented. I won't judge his writings based on his behaviour in life. I leave that to the censors and puritans. But I also won't pretend that his failures weren't that. That'd also be a disservice to the man.

>>14972690
I've talked to Arreola's son, Orso, and he says that he and the family have more letters saying that was an affair, she was crazy for him. They had a son, too.

Poni denied the me too movement, and when she saw that it was a oportunity to sell more books, she wrote that horrible book. Fuck her.

The best thing you can do, anon, also check "Lectura en voz alta", the anthology he made for Editorial Porrúa.

>>14958342
>>14958342

>>14973327
You know Arreola's son? Wait, are you from Mexico?