/lit/ - Literature

>>15019454
I don't think getting killed by a greek homo is a chad move desu.

>Hector's tender moments with his wife and son
>Hector's vow to never let his wife become a slave and Hector's appeal to the Gods to let lordly Scamandrius surpass even his father
>Hector's rage toward Paris tempered with brotherly love
>Hector's stoic resignation toward his fate, high above the reach of any stallion-breaking Trojan or warring Achaen
>Hector's vulnerability underneath his flashing bronze armor and intimidating mane-crested helm

What a mensch. That chapter really moved me, bros...

fuck paris and
>>15019462
fuck pseud shitposters

Holy fuck you pleb why are reading a fucking prose translation just read pope

>>15019524
Because then I'd be reading Pope, not Homer. You'd know this if you had any academic interest in the subject and not just a rabid desire to appear intelligent through the medium of poetry.

>>15019454
Hector was faced with the following two options, right?

1. Be executed by Achilles, and die without glory - sacrifice himself and his honor (reputation), but insodoing spare his country, his family, devastation and destruction.
2. To fight Achilles and surely die, but die with honor and glory (it is a certainty that he would die), but at the cost of losing his wife, son, family, city.

He chose the former, and was a HERO for doing so. He's not a hero according to our standards, i.e., sacrificial hero.

>>15019524
It's not even prose... it's written a in dactylic hexameter. You are aware a rhyme scheme isn't necessary for poetry, right? How could you not immediately tell that it's structured in verse?

>>15019918
>He chose the former, and was a HERO for doing so. He's not a hero according to our standards, i.e., sacrificial hero.
But the greek heroes are not heroes by our standarts. We're talking about men of prowness here, not about comic books heroes, you fag.

OKAY, NOW THAT THE DUST HAS SETTLED...
which translation of the odyssey is the best one? i want a conservative, but readable version.

>>15019969
Fagles, Fitzgerald, and Lattimore for faithful Homeric translations to varying degrees, directly from Ancient Greek; Pope for flair - but be warned he is much more figurative with his translation but attempts to keep the spirit of the words. T.E. Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) is supposed to have a quality translation, too, IIRC.

Not sure about more modern translations.

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>>15019987
Also, Pope translated Latin which was presumably directly translated Ancient Greek. He did not translate from the primary source.

>>15019987
alright thanks. I saw a guy saying rieu was the best one, what do you know about that version? and I took this test
http://timlabs.org/odyssey
which recommended me Cook. but I havent seen him mentioned anywhere, so is he any good?

>>15020045
No idea about Rieu or Cook. You have half a dozen translators to choose from so I recommend going with the test's recommendation and seeing if you like it. If you don't, you can go with someone else and see if that suits you better, and so on.

>>15020059
cheers, anon

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>>15020071
Disgusting sacrilegious barbarians the lot of you. You are reading Shakespeare in Spanish.
τὴν δ᾽ αὖτε προσέειπε μέγας κορυθαίολος Ἕκτωρ:
‘ἦ καὶ ἐμοὶ τάδε πάντα μέλει γύναι: ἀλλὰ μάλ᾽ αἰνῶς
αἰδέομαι Τρῶας καὶ Τρῳάδας ἑλκεσιπέπλους,
αἴ κε κακὸς ὣς νόσφιν ἀλυσκάζω πολέμοιο:
οὐδέ με θυμὸς ἄνωγεν, ἐπεὶ μάθον ἔμμεναι ἐσθλὸς
αἰεὶ καὶ πρώτοισι μετὰ Τρώεσσι μάχεσθαι
ἀρνύμενος πατρός τε μέγα κλέος ἠδ᾽ ἐμὸν αὐτοῦ.
εὖ γὰρ ἐγὼ τόδε οἶδα κατὰ φρένα καὶ κατὰ θυμόν:
ἔσσεται ἦμαρ ὅτ᾽ ἄν ποτ᾽ ὀλώλῃ Ἴλιος ἱρὴ
καὶ Πρίαμος καὶ λαὸς ἐϋμμελίω Πριάμοιο.
Literally God-tier. Divinely inspired.

>>15020071
Cheers, pal. Enjoy the read - it's an amazing work of literature.

>>15020080
lol

>>15020085
You are sacrilegious.

>>15020092
alright little buddy

>>15019454
>Will we ever know his likes again, anons?
Its fiction

>>15019511
>Hector's vow to never let his wife become a slave
>literally becomes a sex slave to his killers son

>>15020120
No it isn't
>>15020096
Go back.

>>15020128
The dramatic irony of it all makes the dagger sink deeper into one's heart.

>>15020132
lol relax little guy we are all very impressed by your desperation to prove to us that you can read ancient greek

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>>15020247
>anti-intellectualism good!
>literature bad!
>Shakespeare in Farsi good!

>>15020331
a real intellectual isn't concerned with how others are learning, especially not by spending their days in the asshole of the internet berating others for not knowing Ancient Greek and thus reading classics criminally. please re-evaluate your life if you ever want to be taken seriously.

>>15020355
>the asshole of the internet
Ask me how I know you're from r*ddit.

>>15020369
>muh virtual turf wars
grow up, pal. committing your life to only browsing the husk of 4chan isn't anything to be proud of.

>>15020383
Whatever man, enjoy reading Shakespeare in French

>>15020403
cheers