/lit/ - Literature

>>15173636
Mohammed was a nigger pedophile, have a good one my mudslime friend

>>15173718
Ohhh noooooo I’m so triggered

>>15173636
>Queer'an

>>15173636
ok

>>15174278
It’s an anti-queer work, brainlet

>>15173636
>he still follows the teachings of an (((abrahamic))) religion.
abraham was a jew, ishamel was a jew and Mohammed is a descendant of ishamel, so mohammed was also a jew.

>>15173636

>>15174352
Ishmael*

>>15174363
>Muslims are such degenerates, I'll get back at them by taking a picture of my own shit.

Lots of traumatized desert stormniggers in here, cry harder you godless nazi cunts

>>15173636

Abdullah Yusuf Ali gets all the credit for saving my kaffir soul.
Anyone else plan on reading 1/30th every day? We should start a discussion group.

>>15173636
>Translations
bruh, allah told y'all to read that shit in arabic.

>>15175447
Source? I’ve never heard that.

>close to 1 billion non-arab muslims read a book in a language they dont understand lol

I'm considering converting to Islam from atheism. I can't deny the truth anymore...

>>15175604
Islam is just judaism-flavoured philosophy and talmudism with apocryphal Christian writings added in to make it less dry. Follow the original, not the fanfiction.

>>15175664
>christcuck shilling
so the original would be Judaism. christcucks and muzzies need to stop larping and plagiarizing

>>15175736
>Judaism
>original
Judaism and Kabbalah is an innovation drawing from pagan esotericist nonsense created in reaction to Christianity. There is nothing even remotely "original" about it aside from it recognizing a corrupted version of parts of the Old Testament canon (they don't even have the full pre-Christ scripture).

>>15175664
No, islam is what christianty was supposed to be if it had any balls whatsoever.

>>15175808
> created in reaction to Christianity
>this is what christcuck larpers believe
listen sweetie, the gospels are based on the Hebrew bible, they quote it all the time, not the other way around. Judaism and it's scriptures are the base line that christcucks and muzzies base their shit off. it always fun to see the extent the christcucks go to prove their larp is true

>>15175847
>Hebrew bible,
>thinking Judaism actually follows the Holy Bible
>thinking that reincarnation and eternal man are biblical

OH NO NO NO

>>15175857
yes, Judaism follow the Hebrew bible aka Tanakh. and they even follow it better than you christcucks larpers do. you see their shit doesn't have pagan/roman elements added to it, unlike you fags larping as WE WUZ ISRAELITES N SHIEET. now go do 10 hail marys and ask Rabbi Yeshua to forgive your sins

>>15175847
>NOOO HOW CAN YOU CRITISIZE MY TRIBE FOR DEVIATING FFOM SCRIPTURR EVEN WHEN CHRIST WAS AROUND WE HAVE THE SAME TRIBE NAME AS MOSES SO THAT MEANS WE FOLLOW HIS HECKIN MESSAGE!

>>15175878
>doesn't have pagan/roman elements added to it
You do realize that they literally believe in hindu-tier reincarnation, right?

>>15175886
>DEVIATING FFOM SCRIPTURR
it's you who is deviating, you man worshipping cuck.
>B-but Jeebuz is both man and G-d!
okay retard

>>15175878
>WE WUZ ISRAELITES
>WUZ
Is*
Christ's Church is the New Israel.

>>15175900
No, Judaism states if a person dies as a child before reaching adolescence, before having the full brain capacity to choose between Good and Evil, he is reincarnated, so he can reach full adulthood and choose his path. Hindus don't believe that, you lying Christcuck. now go pray to Jeebuz and drink his blood and eat his ass cheeks to get salvation

>>15175878
>doesn't have pagan/roman elements added to it

>>15175936
>christcuck shows me the tree of life as prove of paganism

>>15174338
It's shit

>>15175604
Don't, you'll realize it was a mistake eventually, once you learn more about the hadiths and muhammads strange claims about other religions and biology. Read plotinus and other neoplatonists.

So none of you can actually read arabic? Because that's the level of commitment and effort i would expect from people like you who convert to a religion alien to their culture. Unless of course its just another product you took of the shelf and consume to try to fill the hole in your hearts without any deep commitment.

>>15176124
do christians read Aramaic or ancient greek?

>>15176142
Christians don't worship a language and don't think that one has to pray and read the texts solely in a specific language.

>>15176124
I spent 4 years leaning arabic and understand the quran and hadith. But I later left the religion because of this >>15176052

It requires too many mental gymnastics to believe in it once you really know it deeply.

>>15176202
>don't worship a language
In case you haven't noticed, muslims worship Allah. its the central figure in the religion.

>>15176124
Less than half of Muslims can read Arabic.

>>15176212
what are you now? I found it difficult to get into any other abrahamic religion once I left christianity

>>15176037
Have you read it or are you just seething?

>>15176229
I'm interested in Plotinus, Patanjali, Samkhya, Shankara, the Hermetica and Gurdjieff. I've found a correspondence between them all through experiences I've had so I believe they were all talking about the same thing.

Since you asked, I was involved with a Sufi order and while doing their thikr practice which they gave me, I had some awakening experiences, experiences of the nous, real I, higher self, whatever you want to call it. However no Sufis I met could explain any of it. They mostly are only interested in praying to saints at graves for rewards and other dumb things. The sufi orders are all in a seriously degraded state. None of them know anything. When I went back to my home country I left Islam and started searching elsewhere. I wouldn't join any other Abrahamic religion either.

>>15176306
>I'm interested in Plotinus, Patanjali, Samkhya, Shankara, the Hermetica and Gurdjieff.
>I wouldn't join any other Abrahamic religion either.

>>15176321
I have read guenon also and I think he was mistaken when he converted to islam.

>>15176250
I've read it. It doesn't say anything of note.

>>15176216
>muslims worship Allah
False. Muslims believe the Koran to be co-eternal with Allah and uncreated. (!)

>>15176229
>>15176306
>>15176328
>>15176321

Come home.
You have no life in you if you do not partake of Christ's blood. Do you honestly think all of this subjective searching and "esoterism" would allow you to be in such a state of flux, constant jumping around different fallible authors and contradictory views if it was the Truth?

>>15176435
>come and drink Jeebuz's blood and eat his ass
no thank you, I'll stick to the one true G-d of Israel and his Tanakh.

>>15176328
>he was mistaken when he converted to islam.
Why? All religions just lead to the same path bro

>>15176458
I don't think most religions lead anywhere desu.

>>15176435
For 13 years i stuck with one thing, Islam, there was no fluctuation.

>>15176435
I considered becoming a Christian when I left islam but it's just the same bs as islam, a lot of arbitrary beliefs with no reason to believe in them other than a guy with a funny hat said you should or you'll burn in hell.

>>15176458
>all "religions" lead to the same path
That's unironically true, but the destination isn't somewhere you'd wanna be

>>15176498
>For 13 years
>there was no fluctuation

Pick one

>>15176452
How do Jews explain a sudden 2300 year (ongoing) gap in prophecy? Why has God abandoned you completely in such an unprecedented manner? Could it be that Christ actually came with the truth, seeing as how the gentiles now worship the only true God of Israel and your temple was destroyed as the foretold?

>>15176435
The thing about 'searching' is that you'll look through a lot of different things before you find what you're looking for. You christcucks try to paint that as some kind of indication of instability and thence falsehood. You're a bunch of kikes.

Other than the Quran what books are to be read if you're interested in Shia religion?

>>15176564
>before you find what you're looking for
And then you'll just keep reading these different individual authors who all say different things which you try to reconcile together because some author in modernity thought up the idea of them all stemming from the same source. You see this with all perennialists, they claim that the "esoteric" core of all "traditional" religions is the same, yet they rarely stick to one of them as their source of insight. If their "core" is The Truth, how could it alone not be entirely sufficient in itself for full knowledge?

>>15176557
no, the core tenets of christianity go against Judaism. the idea that the messiah is God in the flesh who got sacrificed is completely foreign to the Tanakh, it comes from Greek/Pagan influence. no where in the Tanakh is it mentioned. and ironic enough when the true messiah comes he'll rebuild the temple, thats one of the conditions of messiahship and of course, Jesus failed at that,
>inb4 Jeebuz became the temple

>Protestantism is nonsensical
>Catholicism defected
>Orthodoxy is too ethnically exclusive
>Judaism is too ethnically exclusive
If I'm being honest Islam is tempting if it weren't for the fact that all religions are a spook

>>15176591

I've read all the traditionalists and all those authors and I don't share their belief that there is one underlying tradition behind all the religions. I think "religions" just lead nowhere. The abrahamic ones especially just keep you a slave. Maybe at one time some of them taught something true but they have been distorted by historical and political factors into just social control things. Islam was just a thing for the arab empire to enforce its power, same as Christianity became with rome.

>>15176516
The idea that God dams the majority of people for being born into the wrong religion is goofy, it makes me wonder if this supposed God isn't retarded

>>15176620
Rome was already an empire at the time of the beginning of christianity, on the other hand, arabs where a bunch of dispersed tribes when Islam began.

>>15176635
He doesn't.

>>15176640
Constantine adopted Christianity and made it the religion of the empire and banned all other religions, using it to control his empire. Islam continued developing after Mohammad died and the Arab empire continued expanding, with the effect of justifying Arab supremacy over non Arabs.

>>15176652
According to Roman Catholic dogma he does

>>15176620
>I think "religions" just lead nowhere.
Your form of atheistic newage religion leads nowhere either, and it is demonstrably clear even to yourself from your own experience.

>>15176662
>muh Constantine was bad
Modern bugman cringe.
>banned all other religions
That is exactly what a genuine Christian convert would do. All other religions are evil and all other gods are false gods. If Constantine was a malicious actor, he could have just adopted arianism and subverted the empire by taking charge of Christianity from within, making Christ into the head of a syncretic pantheon and easier to adopt for the pagans.

>>15176695
The merging of Christianity with the state was a horrible idea, you would see how this subverted the gospels if you weren't a larper. Orthodox Christians worship the state, that's why they're triggered when enemy states like the Ukraine get autocephaly as if the church is a possession of the Russian government.
>muh divine right of kings
>muh state spirituality
>muh bootlicking

>>15176695

>All other religions are evil
kys christcuck

>>15176695
>a malicious actor
Not necessarily, just wrong, or deluded.

>>15176751
How are they not? Show me a non-christian religion which is not evil?

>>15176695
>Your form of atheistic newage religion leads nowhere either, and it is demonstrably clear even to yourself from your own experience.

I said I don't believe in religions

>>15176784
>burns people at the stake
>for 1500 years persecutes non believers and forces others to convert

>muh peaceful christian religion!!!

fuck off christcuck

>>15176742
>The merging of Christianity with the state was a horrible idea, you would see how this subverted the gospels if you weren't a larper. Orthodox Christians worship the state, that's why they're triggered when enemy states like the Ukraine get autocephaly as if the church is a possession of the Russian government.
>>muh divine right of kings
>>muh state spirituality
>>muh bootlicking
NOOO WHY CANT THERE BE CHRISTIAN RULERS CHRIST SAID TO BE POOR ALL OF THAT HECKIN ANNOINTED KING AND MESSIAH STUFF FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT IS FROM THE EVIL GOD AND CHRIST WAS A DIFFERENT NEE GOD SENT TO HELP US AND LOVE GAY MARRIAGE!!!

>>15176784
How is Christianity not evil as well? What do you even mean by evil anyways? Anything that's not Christian?

>>15176805
>doesn't answer the question
Thought so.
>persecutes non believers
Good. Paganism is evil.
>forces others to convert
Good. It's better than being in error.

>>15176809
>CHRISTIAN RULERS
lol

>>15176833
>Good. It's better than being in error.
You are in error. You worship a dead jewish rabbi as creator of the universe

>>15176862
>You worship a dead jewish rabbi as creator of the universe
Please explain in detail how that is an error.

>>15176879
He isn't creator of the universe.

>>15176862
>You worship a dead (and risen) jewish rabbi as creator of the universe
Yes.

>>15176899
Good goy

>>15176894
You didn't explain it. How and why can he not be the Creator of this universe?

>>15176904
>"goy"
Why yes, I am a spiritual descendant of Abraham and am not of the nations, how could you tell?

>>15176899
>>15176879
>christcucks admit to worshipping a jew
screen shotted and saved for future arguments

>>15176921
You're a slave of the jews.

>>15176911
Because he is dead

>>15176935
>screen shotted and saved for future arguments

>>15176960
also screenshotted this, christcucks use soijack

>>15176953
>the jews
you mean the tribe who despises Christ and the very notion that goyim (and not their rabbis) are now interpreting their scripture with full authority? yeah seems like a big brained subversive play by them.

>>15176980
I'm not a christcuck, I'm just making fun of you for being a goober

>>15177012
screen shotted this too, christcucks have no arguments, straight to my cringe folder

>>15177026
see, this is me, not that guy
>>15176616

>>15176999
They got you worshipping one of them as God. Christians were originally a Jewish sect, they were all Jews. They got you guys all worshipping their jewish rabbi and now its been so long you don't even know and instead think jew worship is 100% european.

>>15173718
Most of his wives were older than him actually. The controversy comes on one case where pedos came up with some interpretation and made her look as a child, but mohammed himself wasnt a pedo

>>15177026
>straight to my cringe folder

>>15177029
nice try to diverge, your cringe posts are in my folder for future reference,

>>15177041
nice try, straight to the folder you go, christcuck

>>15177052
put me in the folder too

Get in here, guys
>>15176966

>>15177031
>They got you worshipping one of them as God
And what do they gain from this?
>think jew worship is 100% european
Worshipping the True God is above region or culture.

>>15176498
you dont actually need one but after you realize that it is nice to have one :)

>>15173657
>abdel Haleem
Either this translation is good or it’s absolutely shit, there is no middle ground

>>15174363
can't harm good at all. That piece of bacon and dung both worship God so they are better than you.

>>15174352
How was Abraham a jew when the Moses and the Torah didn't come until after he died? Rather he was a Muslim, a submitter to Allah.

Glad to see that there is less small scale terrorism these days, haven't heard of a shooting or bombing for a few years. Keep it up

Jesus is God anons :)

>>15175878
>>15175905
>>15175926
based jew. as a muslim, i always find it funny when christians try to claim "judeo christian" whatever in an attempt to exclude muslims, when in reality, if you look at the three abrahamic religions, christianity is the odd one out. muslims and jews both keep to the law, and to the pact of abraham. muslims and jews worship God alone, with no partners or equals. muslims and jews believe God forgives sins, and reject the messed up morality christians espouse (original sin, innocent people paying for the sins of others). muslims and jews keep the first and most important commandment, and are true monotheists, while christians unironically and without shame worship a man.

>>15178163
To bad he's owned by the Vatican, and to worship him you're required to give monetary support to a pedophile institution

>>15176355
By virtue of it being the Speech of God, you filthy heathen, not as something external to Him.

I have a Quran but I haven't read it yet. Figured I'd read some basic Islamic history first. Not that I plan on converting anyway.

I got it for free from some lovely organization from India.

>>15178628
What? I've never sended a pic moved, why happened?

>>15178641
It's a glitch

Second try.

I got it for free from some lovely organization from India.

I got it for free from some lovely organization from India.

>>15178628
>>15178641
>>15178681
kek, bro, just post it, no one cares

>>15178706
ain't No bug gonna beat me

>>15176435
based.

>>15178707
u got sexy hands bro

>all these translations
wtf there aren't any muslims on /lit/?

>>15178747
Mmm...thanks you :3

>>15173636
That's not a Qur'an, fucking kafir.

>>15178721
I surrender.

>>15176052
Didn't Augustine criticize it harshly?

>>15176306
You sound educated fellow, I wish we could talk, start a thread please.

>>15178270
>christianity is the odd one out
That just makes it more obviously correct. Monotheism is the odd one out amongst religion as well. Christianity really is completely unique in its theology and scripture, once you realize that there's no going back.

>>15178722
>>15176435
Based.
>>15178858
>educated
Erudite, maybe. But true knowledge only comes from submitting to Christ.

>>15178291
>Speech of God
>not as something external to Him
So the uncreated Word of Allah is internal to Allah?
In this case, either the Qur'an has to be identical to Allah and deserving of worship, or you have introduced distinctions into Allah without splitting Allah into parts and essentially conceded the Holy Trinity.

>>15178787
Why not? It has the Arabic next the translation.

>>15173636

>>15176569
>Shia
Don't they believe in crossdressing and that there are "hidden verses" removed from the Qur'an by Muhammad's successors? Seems like a completely insane group

>>15175541
I'm not well-versed enough in islam to tell you exactly where it's said but yes that's the common knowledge, it's why muslims all learn arabic and translated Korans all have the arabic included. It's because the way Gabriel revealed the Koran to Muhammad(pbuh) is essential to the divine meaning, and that was done orally and in arabic. Translations are inherently different than what the original-language version is.

>>15175441
I want to recite the Arabic + read translation and light tafsir of one juz per day inshallah akhi

>>15174363
imagine the smell

>>15179683
This is either weak Hadith or complete bullshit. There’s an Arabic bias (cultural, linguistic, racial) inherent in Islam but it’s not substantiated anywhere.
It’s true that Muslims are suspicious of any distortion of the meaning of Allah’s words which is why you’re not supposed to say it’s a “translation” of the Quran, but rather an interpretation of the meanings.

>>15179616
>Don't they believe in crossdressing and that there are "hidden verses" removed from the Qur'an by Muhammad's successors?
Based, I'm Shia now.

>>15180197
Recitation of the Koran is of the fundamental traditions of the religion, which requires Arabic.

>>15178270
Make no mistake islam is just as retarded. Just because I call out Christians doesn't mean I agree with you guys. Fuck off.

>>15180197
lmao no. the Qur'an was revealed to Muhammad pbuh in Arabic. any other language is not the Qur'an, it's a translation.

>>15179616
Those are Sufi. They’re basically esoteric Kabbalah kikes but with Islam

>>15180692
I don't think you know what esoteric or kabbalah means, you just heard them on /pol/ threads

>>15178517
as a former muslim ; dont waste your time bruh. There nothing there.

Read the vedas instead

>>15181089
Based. Jai Shri Ram brother.

Shias are much more based and chilled than sunnis. Nobody knows what the fuck Ibadis do (islam practiced in Oman)

>>15181089
Based.

>>15181089
>don't do this crypto idolatry
>just openly pray to demons instead bro!

>>15180714
>esoteric or kabbalah
Those are demonic. They’re basically esoteric Sufi kikes but with Judaism

>>15181675
Based

Islam is based. Everything Muhammad did was objectively based.

How do you turn a backwater into a 1400 year empire? Bye bye byzantium and persia.

>>15174363
Now do it with the Bible

>>15180197
Have you ever participated in oral Koran recitation? It's necessary for prayer and needs to be done in arabic so you can pronounce the proper intonations; singing it the same way that Gabriel revealed it to Muhammad pbuh.

>>15175447
you do not need to be a mohamedan to read it, anon

>>15176306
Saint/grave worshipping sufi nonsense isn't real Islam. The Quran and Sunnah says that God alone should be worshiped...
>>15176620
The "arab empire" wouldn't have even existed without Islam in the first place.

>>15176052
He should become a based Quranist instead.

>>15178858
What do you want the thread to be about?