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>>15221342
Let's engage with this topic in Analytic fashion, shall we?
Start by defining what "Analytic" and "Continental" means in this context.

wrong board
>>>/his/

>>15221350
>Start by defining what "Analytic" and "Continental" means in this context.
Thinkers who are generally thought to be the in Analytic camp or the Continental camp.

The history of continental philosophy is just a series of rhetorical paradigm shift amounting to nothing.

>>15221342
the problem is that currently only libertarians identify themselves as analytic philosophers

>>15221388
What are you talking about?

>>15221399
things you don't understand, obviously

>>15221407
Are you suggesting the only analytical political philosophers are libertarians? Are you retarded?

>>15221412
no, i said that libertarians identify themselves as analytic philosophers.
are you retarded?

>>15221371
This is insufficient. "Generally thought", by whom? Is there any substance to those category, any criterium to tell whether an idea or method belong rather to on category than to the other, or is it merely a list of agreed-upon names? Is there not at least a practical segmentation by country or language? Is there some place where you can look up whether a philosopher is "generally thought" to be Analytic or Continental? Is there overlap between the two categories? Are there philosophers outside of both categories?

Try to put some effort into this, for now you've not elevated yourself above the level of lazy bait.

>>15221419
>currently only libertarians identify themselves as analytic philosophers
>currently only libertarians
>only libertarians

>>15221388
Exactly. This is why philosophy depts. In the US are filled with spergs and English depts. are filled with dark broody chads slaying that pootnanny.

>>15221437
yeah and i say it again
only libertarians have the need to be asociated with analytical philosohy. Most serious philosophers don't care about that label.

>>15221431
>Try to put some effort into this, for now you've not elevated yourself above the level of lazy bait.
Why are you trying to debate this? Both analytical and continental philosophers agree that there is a list of philosophers who fit more into one camp than another. It's not really something to debate. People pick specific schools depending on whether they are analytical or continental. If you go to a Continental school you know what your going to read.

>>15221490
Nice pivot

>>15221360
>/his/
Their board is bad enough already. Have some pity of them.

>>15221508
>Both analytical and continental philosophers agree that there is a list of philosophers who fit more into one camp than another
Except the analytic/continental distinction was literally invented by anglo philosophers who didn't want to be affiliated with their more esoteric counterparts across the English channel. It is nothing if not a crude affirmation of their own power in the academy, whilst simultaneously attempting to discredit those who would be considered "continental". Nietzsche was right about everything, but the analytics don't want you to know that.

>>15221388
Are you retarded? Why would you say something so obviously false?

>>15221761
Today the distinction is agreed upon and that's all I'm talking about.

>>15221508
I'm not trying to debate anything, I'm trying to establish a ground for discussion, something you have so far failed to do. There is an agreement about the list? Show me the list then. I'll spare you the pain of finding quotes of philosophers backing the list, just provide a list and explain how it relates to your original point in the OP. Then we will have a ground for assessing the truth value of your earlier statements.

Same with the schools. People pick specific schools, so what are the schools?

>>15221490
You are a moron. Most analytic philosophers are radical socialists.

>>15221802
You are arguing like an analytic because you are being autistic. You already know what I'm going to post just stop playing stupid. You are just wasting both our time.

>>15221371
i love how analytic philosophers always demonstrate that they can't even do their own bullshit form of philosophy, never mind real philosophy. it's always this strained curtness. "ontology? why that's nothing more than what there is. and what is there? a list of things. we've solved the case boys." neck yourself

>>15221792
>Today the distinction is agreed upon
Not by philosophers it isn't. Libertarians and maybe spectators who post on 4chan don't count. Philosophers are too busy to care about your meme definitions.

>>15221792
>Today the distinction is agreed upon
By whom? Almost all philosophy departments in the UK have little to know interest in continental thought. There is no agreement, there is simply unilateral distinction of one over the other. In falling back on "agreed upon" distinctions you have already demonstrated which side you have inconsiderately chosen to take; in fact, the simple act of choosing a side at all is enough to reinforce the damage being done to philosophical thought in the academy.

>>15221886
Really so why does philpapers make the distinction when they survey philosophers who pick their own school?

>>15221891
https://philpapers.org/surveys/results.pl

http://www.spep.org/resources/graduate-programs/

>>15221342
Basic existentialism you fucking normie
>freedom
>what duties does a man have to society
>What makes us us

>>15221948
Oh yeah forgot about that. That's pretty good.

>>15221948
>Basic existentialism you fucking normie
so basically just pseud cred

>>15221815
I am arguing like an analytic because OP stated he liked analytics better. But I still care to see whether his assessment is correct. Note that 'arguing like an analytic' is a vague thing and it absolutely doesn't mean I'm an expert on who is analytic and who is not. That's why I'm asking OP to make his claims more substantial and precise.

> You are just wasting both our time.
Do you realize where you are? This is no place to spend your time productively. If your purpose was to make the most of your time, you should leave this site, and if your just wanted a quick confirmation of your beliefs and a pat on the back, you've clearly picked the wrong place. If you wanted to have autistic arguments about irrelevant subjects (what I'm currently trying to do with you here), then you're exactly at the right place.

Make your choice and act accordingly but don't pretend like you're a busy man with a sense of priorities while you're goofing around on a vietnamese carving summer camp.

>>15221886
>Philosophers are too busy
nice b8

>>15221970
Yeah man phenomenology is pseud cred for sure why don't you go rejoin the other analytics in the circlejerk over whether a hotdog is or isn't a sandwich

>>15221979
This reminded me of that anon who said he quit his analytic philosophy department after a workshop where they were asked to spent two hours discussing whether rubber ducks are ducks.

>>15221997
>whether rubber ducks are ducks.
Are they?

>>15221997
Well, are they?

>>15221921
Can you read? I said in the UK. The list of graduate programmes in continental thought only further highlights just how few universities in the UK accommodate it.

>>15222010
Why does region matter?

>>15221997
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>>15222007
>Analytics btfo

>>15222007
>>15222009
Unfortunately we'll never know since anon quit before a consensus was reached.

>>15222032
:(

>>15221761
Continental philosophy is much more than just Nietzsche, and plenty is not 'esoteric'

Only one person gave a serious response to the question. Anyone else have any ideas?

>>15221342
whoever made this graph was retarded

>>15222152
I'm the existentialism guy but structuralism/post-structuralism are easy to slip into conversations about books/music/movies

>>15222152
Its not a serious question, why would anyone give a serious response. You dont understand philosophy and you never will

>>15222179
Try it

>>15222019
Because analytic is an explicitly anglo development in philosophy. And it was those same anglos who invented the "analytic/continental" distinction. Thus the problem lies with the British who perpetuate it.

>>15222075
I never said Nietzsche was continental, learn to read. I was implying that the analytic methods of claiming power proves him right.

>>15222213
I already do it

>>15222188
Debate me

>>15222223
when

>>15222238
When talking about books/music/movies

>>15222263
I'm saying try it now

>>15222216
>Because analytic is an explicitly anglo development in philosophy.
A philosophical movement that began in Germany and has many major figures from the German speaking world is best described as an “angel development.”

>>15222216
>Because analytic is an explicitly anglo development in philosophy. And it was those same anglos who invented the "analytic/continental" distinction. Thus the problem lies with the British who perpetuate it.
But it exists and you know of it so in this context you can turn off your autism and discuss

>>15222276
One of the issues I end up having with a lot of mainstream movies is that instead of having a plot of their own, they end up replicating the signs from other movies. Look at the idea of tropes in horror movies, things the black guy dying first, people not listening to scientists, or chemicals that leak out and cause zombies. Rather than making a movie they remake the signifiers of other movies.

>>15221378
And that's a good thing

including myself, there's at most 3 fags on this board who've read frege and his buddies
same goes for the continental fags
but none of the ~6 of us are the ones creating these retarded threads, it's the retards who are currently enrolled in their 2nd year of some bullshit undergrad studies and who've either heard of either side on a podcast or read about them on wikipedia
you people are fucking arguing about "emm excuse me, what exactly do you mean by analytic and continental?"
fucking everyone with an education and who learned about those people in uni knows what's meant by that distinction, only retards who've read SEP pages about them boost their pseudo intellectual ego points by being this retarded
just fucking stop

>>15222348
Oh hey what's up dude? I'm one of the continental fags. I got my degrees from work related to Baudrillard. What are you into?

>>15222348
Maybe you can help answer the question then

>>15222369
quine and plantinga primarily

>>15221342
analysis itself is an offshot of the continental philosophy, or rather an hybrid between british empiricism and continental logicism.
british empiricism is retarded as fuck. "the flower" as a category is a meaningless thing for an empiricist, to him we only perceive confused sensations which we mysteriously happen to organize as flowers, jars, guitars, etc.
continental logicism is autistic and disregards perception as a suprfluous, meaningless appendix. it is pure self-ampitation.
analysis -- as developed by bolzano (continental), brentano (continental), frege (continental), peano (continental), mach and avenarius (continentals), poincaré (continental), meinong (continantal), russell (british), g.e. moore (british), wittgenstein (continental) and carnap (continental) -- analysis, i was saying, is the perfect overcoming of both empiricism and logicism.

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>>15221342
>muh biased chart
Sounds like this is ANALytic propaganda. Nothing to see here.

>>15221342
Bugman phil literally has no reason to exist. Just science and logic but without the interesting parts. Soulless nonsense. All bugmen philosophers (save Witty, who mistrusted science as the only tool to understand the world, so not really a bugman but rather just dragged with muh group) are absolutely WORTHLESS.

>>15222477
Good job answering the question