/lit/ - Literature

>>15221741
Where did he say this faggot

>>15221741
>"Just believe, bro". -Guenon

>>15221741
Monotheism is trash. Radical or mitigated dualism is better.

>>15221741
Why would God want to prevent evil? He created it. God is not his creation. All things are for his purpose, the pot shouldn't say to his maker, where are my handles, etc. This argument is dumb

>>15221741
I reject the first premise.

>>15221741
Evil exists because this Universe is the alpha version. He'll remake it without evil a few trillion years from now.

>>15221741
>Could he have created a universe with free-will but without evil
No, because even an all-powerful being can't make a square circle. By making a circle square, it stops being a circle.

In the same vein, if you made a person incapable of evil, he will have lost his free-will by definition.

>>15221741
>2020
>still debating wether there is superman in the clouds
where did it all go so wrong

>>15222016
/thread
this is irrefutable, brainlets here can't read a single book that is why this board is filled with asinine atheists
i'll give ye a hint: evil depends on what is good, demons are naturally good

>>15222016
based. evil is the privation of some Good

>>15222088
read serious theology. no one believes this.

>>15222073
>No, because even an all-powerful being can't make a square circle. By making a circle square, it stops being a circle.
He probably could, to be honest.
In surfaces with negative curvature you can have squares with more than 5 sides (the five sided square on the pseudosphere being the most famous example), to say nothing of the weirdnesses possible in manifolds with non-constant curvature. Triangles with angles summing to more than 180 degrees are also a common construction (to give an example, on a sphere take a point A in the equator, walk a fourth of it's circumference and take a second point B. Let C be one of the poles of the sphere, the triangle ABC has three straight angles).
A square circle isn't as logically impossible as you think (in a space using a L^1 norm all "circles" are "squares" anyway).
An omnipotent being could easily tinker with the fundamental proprieties of space to create the physical universe you describe. It wouldn't even be logically inconsistent

>>15222123
>>15222134
Evil is a concept, not a substance. Like darkness or cold. Still, evil exists.
>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

>>15222146
>serious theology
Serious larp is still larp, just more autistic

>>15222243
this kek

>>15222243
>can't fathom believing in anything
"yea that's rational, but only because it's autistic"

>>15222210
evil does not exist in itself, that is what i'm saying. to exist it depends on what is good

>>15222285
>if you don't believe in my jeebus kikerino on stickerino you don't believe in anything

>>15221741
free will therefore evil exists
not so hard

>>15221741
Gnosticism solves most if not all of this.

>>15222173
i think he was referring to the standard l2 norm though, no need to invoke any of the lp stuff, but you're right
however, i dislike the basic premise found in op's question because it fails to say whether such a god has its powers confined within the logic of the universe or not
because if it's confined, then being all powerful means being able to do only that which doesn't break the boundaries
and even if there's infinitely many things to be done, not everything can be done
i don't understand why people in 2020 refuse to read even the most basic shit when posting stuff online

>>15222403
Humans don't have free will you retard.

>>15222692
>inb4 cites a Sam Harris tier debunked experiment

>>15221998
>Why would God want to prevent evil?
Supposed benevolence
>>15222016
Amoral
>>15222065
An omniscient god would have no need to run a simulation to learn anything
>>15222073
>square circle
Cylinder

>>15222735
>square circle
>cylinder
nigga

Leibniz refused him in his confessions.

>>15221741
This assumes that God is "good" and should be judged as a common (21st century) man.

>>15221741

>>15222796
All these pseuds who claim to read the Urantia book and immediately shill cucktianity make me think they're midwits who didn't even read the book because it actually says all religions lead to the same end and putting one faith on a pedestal is religious arrogance.

>>15222016
Based and Leibnizian

Claiming that something you don't understand the purpose of as being Evil is the result of resentful slave mentality
Embrace the universe as one unending Good

>>15222796
>Lucifer
>Atheism

>>15222243
what does larping mean? unironically askin

>>15222954
pls dont give me the urbandictionary definition XD

>>15222818
>it actually says all religions lead to the same end
Not really. It says religions can be good or evil, they can be of varying degrees of quality or truthfulness, but they are all good (relatively) insomuch as they lead one to God.

160:5.3.
All religions based on fear, emotion, tradition, and philosophy I term the intellectual religions, while those based on true spirit experience I would term the true religions. The object of religious devotion may be material or spiritual, true or false, real or unreal, human or divine. Religions can therefore be either good or evil.
-----------------------------------------------
(92:7.3) The many religions of Urantia are all good to the extent that they bring man to God and bring the realization of the Father to man.

>>15222632
Why is God bound to the logic of this universe in particular? Like, if we imagine Him merely bound by logic, if he were to have the power to pick and choose axioms them, again, there's no reason to imagine our world is the only possible one.

>>15222818
195:10.18.Christianity is an extemporized religion, and therefore must it operate in low gear. High-gear spiritual performances must await the new revelation and the more general acceptance of the real religion of Jesus. But Christianity is a mighty religion, seeing that the commonplace disciples of a crucified carpenter set in motion those teachings which conquered the Roman world in three hundred years and then went on to triumph over the barbarians who overthrew Rome. This same Christianity conquered—absorbed and exalted—the whole stream of Hebrew theology and Greek philosophy. And then, when this Christian religion became comatose for more than a thousand years as a result of an overdose of mysteries and paganism, it resurrected itself and virtually reconquered the whole Western world. Christianity contains enough of Jesus' teachings to immortalize it.

Sure, god is not 'all powerful' in the sense that the idea of free will itself is that he has sacrificed some of this power to each individual, for the purpose of free will

So we end up here. Why do people think this is some kind of GOTCHA? well you got me

>>15222016
Based and checked

>>15222313
Nah that’s retarded

>>15223202
prove otherwise

>>15221741
>Evil Exists
nice spook mate

>>15223224
Good doesn’t exist in itself, it depends on what is evil

>>15221741
I reject the options for 'Then why is there Evil?'
The reason for evil is to provide for a Free Will universe.
No amount of evil can be so bad as to negate the higher good of the existence of free will.

>>15223253
So evil is necessary to have free will? There’s no possible way to allow for free will and not have evil?

>>15223273
Yes there is no possible way to allow for free will and not have evil.
Omnipotence and omniscience does not imply doing the undo-able or knowing the unknowable.

human reasoning and thinking can't comprehend god and to think otherwise is to put yourself on the same level as god, or rather, to try to bring god down to our level. stfu epicuro

>>15223305
Is there free will in heaven?

>>15223273
I don't think 'free with limitations' is free enough for the argument, no. To make evil an impossibility is to leave choice between good and okay

>>15222016
baaaased

>>15223253
how can Evil exist to provide for a Free Will universe when Evil denies people the opportunity to exact Free Will?

>>15223243
whatever subsists by itself is good (existence is not evil in itself, evil needs existence in order to exist)

>>15223253
>>15223273
free will is the ''result'' of evil, both become actualized together

>>15223463
Nah. Whatever exists by itself is evil (existence isn’t good in itself, good needs existence in order to exist)

>>15222741
Can't tell if that blew your mind or you didn't get it

>>15221741
Is evil objectively bad

>>15223492
No. Evil and bad are perpendicular to each other.
>heterosexual rape
evil but not bad
>consensual gay sex
bad but not evil

>>15223486
my last reply to you
evil does not produce anything, it does not derive anything from itself, it is parasitic, it makes things decay; what is good produces other things, gives being, this is itself good

>>15223526
>>consensual gay sex
>bad but not evil
This is heavily contextual assuming no archaic sexual ideals

A situation where only 2 guys and 1 woman exist? Gay sex at the expense of heterosexual is bad
A situation where 8 billion people exist and a small minority are homosexual? come on

>>15223546
Nah good doesn’t produce anything. Evil gives being and good is parasitic on that
>my last reply to you
cowardice is evil

>>15222016

>>15223526
>>15223550
you know what is bad but not evil? punishment for homosexual degeneracy
gay sex is evil, it is indulgence in waste

>>15222916
He probably means hedonism and egoism.

>>15223565
Let's get straight to the point, you'd consider two guys kissing and cuddling evil even if they refrain from having sex. YAWEH sure loves watching over priests who diddle little boys though.

>>15223591
>mistaking institutional crimes with religious crimes

>>15223565
Gay sex is bad because it does not produce a child (which is to be said for all contracepted straight sex as well), and it is not evil so long that it doesn't violate freedom, consent, and wellbeing.

>>15222016
Ho shit how will OP ever recover?

>>15222016
Holy mother of based

>>15223603
>religious crimes
Or to put it briefly, jewish drivel.

>>15223610
>trying to reason with christcucks
Kek have fun wasting your time.

>>15223565
you're so far up your own ass I'd think you yourself were gay

>>15223610
>Gay sex is bad because it does not produce a child
I still think on an individual level this may not be the case since propagation of the human species can still be taken care of by other individuals in the society. I'm not sure every individual needs to avoid neutral dead ends like homosexuality

>>15222016
based

>>15221741
Evil exists to punish sins, and as a byproduct of mans will. God is a loving God. But also a just God. He would not eradicate all suffering so that we may live in absolute pleasure like heathens.

>>15223610
Gay sex is bad because it spreads disease

>>15223780
Well hetero sex spreads disease too, so by that logic the only thing to do is to enforce monogamy, which gay sex isn't mutually exclusive with

>>15223591
If it was kissing and cuddling between two friends in a nonsexual way like a child and his father it wouldnt be bad, simple

>>15221741
Based as fuck
Happy I am an atheist now

>>15221751
I would first like to point out one thing, you massive less than middle wit, that even if Epicurus had not said this, the argument still stands. Please, for the love of all that is holy, learn how to use your fucking noggin.

Secondly, this is analytical chart based off the testimonia and letters we have written by him or from testimonia written by his followers who claim it was arguments. Much of his writings are lost after the Alexandrian age.

>>15221741
> Evil exists

Good and evil are literally hallucinations.

>>15223316
In the Afterlife it seems so, up to a point.

111:3.1.The mistakes of mortal mind and the errors of human conduct may markedly delay the evolution of the soul, although they cannot inhibit such a morontia phenomenon when once it has been initiated by the indwelling Adjuster with the consent of the creature will. But at any time prior to mortal death this same material and human will is empowered to rescind such a choice and to reject survival. Even after survival the ascending mortal still retains this prerogative of choosing to reject eternal life; at any time before fusion with the Adjuster the evolving and ascending creature can choose to forsake the will of the Paradise Father. Fusion with the Adjuster signalizes the fact that the ascending mortal has eternally and unreservedly chosen to do the Father's will.

>>15224043
it sounds like that’s saying it is possible to have free will without evil

>>15222016
ok i will kill your family and you can't say that's evil

This argument is built on a falsified classical logic.
Dialetheism is true and paraconsistent logic is the actual logic of reality and existence
Does God exist? I don't know. But we already know that things can exist and not exist, that there are things that are true and not true, without logical explosion, so literally none of this applies.
If God exists he 100 is able to create a rock so heavy he can't lift it AND he can lift it AND he can't at the same time in paraconsistent true contradiction. If you can't understand this you're just a retard.

>>15224335
He 100% is able*

>>15222016
Based

>>15222692
>what are second-order desires

>>15222016
Based

>>15224335
>contradictions can be true

Never, ever type anything again.

Ever.

>>15224387
read https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/dialetheism/

>>15224387
You have a low IQ and are not educated in mathematics or logic and don't understand reality.
Paraconsistent logic IS the logic of reality and dialetheism is correct

>>15223931
Where anon?
>B-but
Where bitch?
Where? Where? Where?

>>15221998
It's somewhat misleading to say that he created evil. It's a privative so it doesn't actually exist except as a lack of something that should be there.
>>15222016
Like I said above, it doesn't have a positive existence, but it does have a negative one that needs to be accounted for, namely why are there these privations in things.
>>15222065
this is stupid, shut up.
>>15222073
This is correct.
>>15222123
demons are not naturally good, you are retarded.
>>15222426
No. you are dumb. Stop being gnostic and come to Christ.
>>15222735
I'll just address the first and last points. You can love something and still allow it to suffer for any number of reasons(could be maturity, exercise, punishment), and a cylinder has nothing to do with the actual point which is that God can't create logically incoherent things.
>>15223312
are you an orthodox or just christian? The ambiguity about God is very orthodox, unless you're just talking about an ambiguity of his intentions.

>>15222016
incredible, just breathtaking

>>15222403
You know I was thinking, what if we draw a line backwards from Evil Exists and think about the story of Adam and Eve hence I think this Paradox becomes possible to refute.

>>15222016
HOLY BASSED

>>15221741
So, like, couldn't an entity simply create a system with its own laws ? like physics and stuff... that represented the phenomenology aspect of said system, which in turn would transpire a series of events, by itself ?
So, in this universe, which would have been an autonomous system, we would exist, and we would evolve, and would create morals, i.e. good and evil, but being only a small fraction of this universe we could perceive only a fraction of it, therefore our perception would be faulty and biased, creating inherently defective morals, couldn't this be the case ?
But, being a big universe, some smart people eventually understand this default error and humbly recognize their own inability to create good enough moral compass, They could go even beyond and to say like "any morals that we create comes from our limited perceptions, therefore would be limited. It would be fair to say there are no good nor evil, only our perceptions of it."

>>15224414
>Paraconsistent logic
>>>/x/

>>15221741
>evil exists
I disagree.

>>15223848
> the only thing to do is to enforce monogamy
Correct

>>15224640
/thread

>>15222016
why is there hell

>>15221741
you can loop at the bottom
retarded

>>15221741
>God is not all powerful
This only works on Christians.

>>15224461
would God be good if he didn't give us free will?
but free will implies in evil

>>15222016
fuckk my brain bro... don't do this to me....

God's Good =/= Our Good

>>15222016
based
>>15222735
>>15224715
>>15224305
>>15224442
Impotent rage basedboys who can't handle that their grade 10 philosophy just got BTFO

>>15221741
> Does God want to prevent evil?
No
>Then God is not good
Literally anything God does is by definition good.

>>15222016
You didn't have to OP like that

>>15222016
Put me in the cap boys. First time I've actually wanted to be included in a screencap in a long while.

>>15224305
Indeed, it's just not good.

>>15222016
This is this guy.

He gets his dick sucked 24/7 and every single time he posts a woman makes sure she sticks her tongue down his inch-wide pee-hole.

>>15224715
aposematism

>>15222016
Absolutely based

>>15221741
Meme mortal morals do not apply to God. This faggot wants to judge God as if he were his boss or his shit uncle lmao

>>15222016
based

>>15222016
KING

ITT: Christcuck mental gymnastics

>>15225379
So your gay?

>>15225161
>I can't answer the argument so I'll make a belligerent tautology
Why do Christians have to be this way?

>>15225412
cope

>>15225161
>good
Out of curiosity, how do you define "good"?

>>15222016
Ok, so you wouldn't object if I raped your mom and took all your money. This wouldn't be an evil act since evil doesn't exist. Ok pm me your address.

>>15221741
Time and place for everything. God loves the evil just as God loves the good.

>>15226513
Mind you, not for the evil, and not for the good. God just loves.

>>15221741
Here's a better flowchart.
>Is it possible for God to love x?
>If yes, then x.

>>15224640
>>15224666
Classical logic is the actual pseudoscience

The logic of reality is paraconsistent, we literally use the fact that reality is paraconsistent in technologies like MRI scans.

>>15227035
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1306.3121.pdf

>>15222016
based hedonist - did you realize Epicurus also did not believe in evil?

>>15224305
bad =/= evil

>>15222016
Did you just same fag 30 times? Jesus mate

>>15222796
There is no purpose to imperfection. Suffering is bad? yes, and eudaemonia is still possible.

>>15222313
No way. Even if humans were incapable of experiencing conditioned goods like satisfaction or pleasure they could still be tortured to hell.

>>15222403
Could God have created a world without evil but with free will? Is this not precisely what heaven is supposed to be?

>>15222796
Not even coherent.

>>15223935
Prove it.

>know better than god.

>>15222916
Jews are 80% atheistic, and they sacrifice their foreskins to Lucifer for earthly power.

>>15222016
atheshits eternally and absolutely B.T.F.O.

>>15222016
Replace "evil" with "suffering".

Logic still holds.

>>15227503
no it doesnt, the word "suffering" is not as objectively bad as the word "evil" is, so it doesnt follow, a god that wishes for his creation to learn something would make it suffer, thats what ultimately makes god "good" from our perspective

I could love an evil woman. Can God not do the same?

>>15227093
Atheshit can't believe this many people are religious on the internet.

Welcome to the future my man, the future religious movement is growing. I would accept Islam at this point buddy.

>>15227534
how would you quantify evil vs suffering? what's the difference between the two?

>>15228677
Well, you can help somebody do evil, and you can even feel good about it, like they can feel good about doing evil. However, the target of the evil may suffer, though they may also be nescient.

>>15222016
Substitute evil for niggers then. What now?

>>15228655
>haha yeah man I’d take literally any religion so long as it btfos atheistcucks epic style on my anime imageboards
You’re not religious and don’t have the capacity to be

>>15227035
>we literally use the fact that reality is paraconsistent in technologies like MRI scans.
>>>/x/

>>15228655
>I would accept Islam at this point buddy.
Islam and all abrahamic cults are atheistical.

>>15222016

>>15228812
You're viewing things too materialistically. Many of us, especially those who are spiritual here, don't even associate themselves with a Japanese subculture, let alone Anime.

We're simply religious Americans who are utilizing a superior method of communication, due to the ennobling nature of the loss of pride associated with anonymity, one of the great sins today.

>>15223273
If God executed your proposed 'word with free will without evil' it'd be dysfunctional because it's contradictory. This world is perfect down to the last detail. That's what you idiots haven't taken into account.

God can only create the possible. How would you ask God to create the impossible? That's beyond omnipotence.

That said, this is purely the theologic argument. There's more to the ethical one.

>>15228861
If you get past Japanese butthurt over losing their God in WW2, Anime is surprisingly immaterial.

>>15222016
>christfags thinking this supports their god delusion

>>15228861
>You're viewing things too materialistically
t. the guy adopting religion to troll the libtards

>>15228960
>everyone else has a permission to be wrong except Christians

>>15228985
everyone else is right except christcucks

>>15228960
this, how do they go around the fact that their god clearly has the conception of what is and what isn't evil? rejecting the first premise means rejecting god

>>15221741
>Could God have created a Universe with free will but without evil?
>Yes.
>Then why didn't he?

The true Good is freedom of all things, not freedom of good things only, the latter is not even less good, it is all bad.

>>15221741
holy fuck just pick a goddamn book instead of babbling shit about God being not so godlike.
Bro just read a passage of st augustine about evil and move the fuck on but I guess that's too much for your chimpanzee brain
>>15222016
The basest based

>>15229130
>The true Good is freedom of all things
Why ?

>>15228795
holy shit niggers exist

>>15228960
U mad

>>15223626
>Kek have fun wasting your time.
You can't really expect to talk these types out of their doctrine; I do this for curiosity and amusement.
>>15223683
Maybe. I mean "bad" in the sense that it goes against the biological purpose of sex which is procreation.
Homosexuality is a useless side effect of heterosexuality.
>>15223780
STD is neither exclusive nor inherent to gay sex.
>>15224442
>You can love something and still allow it to suffer for any number of reasons(could be maturity, exercise, punishment)
Not as an omnipotent being, no. Necessary evil to a benevolent spirit implies a lack of choice on their part.
An omnipotent god would not subject man to the problems of immaturity and weakness, and would not incentivize man to commit acts worthy of punishment. And punishment itself is a sentimental imperfection of man.
>cylinder has nothing to do with the actual point which is that God can't create logically incoherent things
It's worth noting that a square circle is technically possible in the form of a cylinder of which the height and diameter are of equal length.
As for said point, if omnipotence is defined as including the ability to break logic, it actually argues against the possibility of true omnipotence; that only logical omnipotence is possible for any given being to possess.

>>15229001
That just makes Christianity an alien faith, similar to Gnosticism.

>>15229418
>STD is neither exclusive nor inherent to gay sex.
Male homosexuality is the most disease filled sex combination. Female homosexuality is the least.
I think it implies that my lesbian and futa fantasies are the most based, and gay faggots and women are wrong, while thirsty men are being delusional.

>>15221741
>If God is all-knowing, he would know what we would do if we were tested, therefore no need to test us

I reject this. Why would there be no need to test us? It's like saying "if God does or makes anything there's no need for him to do or make anything because he already knows what will happen." His knowledge doesn't mean "no need to test us."

>>15228960
>>15229033
>>15227076
people in this board are really stupid, read this:
>>15222123
>>15222313
>>15223463
>>15223546

>>15229451
Maybe it's just anal lmao

Loool niggas still be trotting out the Augustinian theory of evil as a cope to get out of the logical problem of evil lmao

I have never seen atheists more anally blasted than they are ITT good job bro.

>>15222016
most based post on /lit/ right now

>>15229506
>>>15222123 #
>>>15222313 #
>>>15223463 #
>>>15223546 #
all of those posts were BTFO though

>>15229317

Freedom in good things only would not be Good if one were to desire Evil.

>>15229931
where then?

>>15230027
The replies

>>15221741
only because God is not that powerful, doesn't mean you should go against him, he's still more powerful than you. and maybe the outcome if you fight against god is even worse

>>15230043
they were all answered

>>15230045
I find he has a way of pushing you in the right direction if you are directed against him in some way. It is certainly some form of punishment though, nothing too severe.

>>15222016
Retarded.
>Something exists that God didn't create

>BUT WHAT ABOUT FREE WILL

>>15229523
It's not just that, because Africa shows that AIDS is common.

>>15230096
There is no evil. Life is a blessing. If it is not, then know that you are at fault.

>>15221741
Concepts do not exist for God

>>15221741
Litterally super easy to refute.

Your bottom NO is fallacy

To not being able to do something that is impossible, eg. something that is intristicaly contradictory, does not imply that god is not all powerfull.

implying that if god can not create fee will without evil means he is not all powerfull is same like saying he is not all powerfull for not being able to create round cube or dry liquid. if you give being free will, they can chose to do evil. end of story.

>>15222016
Came here to say this, i appreciate you.

>>15230765
but
>then why didnt he?
>to test us?
>to toy with us?
you dont answering the question you handwave it away and call it a day.
Why a all powerfull all knowing good god let us have free will for evil? If you have said bad things ok but you jumped on evil not bad.
>then why didnt he?

>>15221741
why would one assume ridding evil totally is even a worth while concept? balance is usually what is preached and thats for a good reason. sometimes you need to use evil. fully enslaved to "good" will destroy you.

>>15230998
He did it because having free will is better than not having evil and being robots.

>>15230998
without free will it would not be "us". just a machines. If he wanted to have any sentience aside from himself, evil is neccesary consequence.

So he faced choice between no sentient life and sentient life that includes evil. And sentient life that includes evil is objectively better choice. objectively because it is better for free willed sentient life to exist with some evil then to not exist at all. Or would you rather not exists at all? Would you rather that your loved ones to whom some evil did happen never existed? i suppose no.

>>15231064
sounds more like god dont care or exist in the frist place.
but he is acourding to your words NOT ALL POWERFULL. An ALL POWERFULL GOOD GOD had made a universe where every sinner is midly tased for doing what he clearly dont want us to do. Its dont block our free will and its also proof to everyone: god is real.

But we life in a world where childrapist can do the work without beeing notis for decades.
>ITS THE PRICE OF FREE WILL now go to my brand of church and worship my moral rotten and uncraring god

>>15229819
>I have never seen atheists more anally blasted than they are ITT good job bro.
Cope

>>15229451
>Being more common among gay couples means being exclusive
Retard making retard tier takes that everyone already knows about.

What is evil though? As long as you can't prove evil exists I agree with >>15222016.

>>15231049
this line of thinking can bring us to moral relativism where evil thing like rape and murder is ok becouse god dont care or isnt good.
Becouse if free will needs evil this means god had no idea (isnt all knowing) how to do it or no choice (aka no power) to do it other wise. You fucked yourself back into Epicurean paradox. Of couse the other option is he is evil and knows to well how much problems he couse on us mortals.
So pick one...

>>15222016
BASED

>>15221741
>In response to the question of how evil could exist in a good universe, Chrysippus replied "evil cannot be removed, nor is it well that it should be removed."[77] Firstly, he argued, following Plato, that it was impossible for good to exist without evil, for justice could not be known without injustice, courage without cowardice, temperance without intemperance or wisdom without foolishness.[78] Secondly, apparent evils exist as a consequent of nature's goodness, thus it was necessary for the human skull to be made from small and thin bones for reasons of utility, but this superior utility meant that the skull is vulnerable to blows.[78] Thirdly, evils are distributed according to the rational will of Zeus, either to punish the wicked or because they are important to the world-order as a whole.[79] Thus evil is good under disguise, and is ultimately conducive to the best. Chrysippus compared evil to the coarse jest in the comedy; for, just as the jest, though offensive in itself, improves the piece as a whole, "so too you may criticize evil regarded by itself, yet allow that, taken with all else, it has its use."[80]

Based stoic BTFO ep*curist degenerate

>>15229498
so he dont know everything but knows everything.
Becouse you test something becouse you dont know but why did you test something if you know the outcome?
If for shit and giggles god did a fine job to let us the last 100.000 years suffer. Hack he only hat the time to tell us "the real story" in the last 2000years at a time with no real recording tech or network. Its like he is an idiot, a evil fucker, or someone who dont cares.

>>15221741
>>15222016
Mardānfarrox and other Zoroastrians actually dealt with the first premise in an intelligent way unlike Christcucks. I don't see the issue with saying God is not omnipotent.

>>15221741
There is a huge gaping hole in this "paradox"
In that it takes "test" in the sense that god is trying to figure something out from us, and as such refutes "all knowing".
But this isn't what god is doing by testing us.
It's a trial for humanity. He is TESTING US.
We must go through hardship for some reason that only he knows.
This doesn't justify evil. But explains it's presence. And it doesn't mean god doesn't love us either, he does. But he wants to see us succeed.

>>15231733
>exclusive
Did I stutter?

>>15224585
It's the same as saying: there is no green or red, only our perceptions of it. Yet without something existing making it occur green to us, we couldn't perceive it as green. Same with evil and good. Except that we rarely perceive things that are actually evil, it's a childish and religious term that barely fits our modern self understanding.

>>15232275
>we rarely perceive things that are actually evil, it's a childish and religious term that barely fits our modern self understanding.
Go back to plebbit.

>>15232293
Cry harder.

>>15232315
I'm not crying because I know I am right without a benefit of doubt. I know for sure there is a hell awaiting you.

>>15232252
Whats wrong with saying evil doesn't exist?

>>15232322
Where do you derive your knowledge from?

>>15232330
Evil definitely exists. If you're asking for a complex ontological justification, then I don't have the time for that right now.

>>15232211
But the first premise of the Epicurean paradox is "evil exists" which is false.

>>15232359
Nope, evil definitely exists. Both good and evil exist as independent principles that exist in conflict. They are not complementary either. Evil is not simply the lack of Good. It exist as its own independent principle. They have separate ontological natures.

>>15232353
>>15232374
>can't prove the first premise
>you just have to accept it on faith
is this how atheists cope?

>>15232374
>as independent principles that exist in conflict
as independent principles in conflict*

>>15232275
>Except that we rarely perceive things that are actually evil
Maybe you don’t

>>15231064
Is it totally impossible for free willed entities to exist without producing evil?

>>15230063
Nah none of them were

>>15232381
You interpreted me as being an atheist? You're definitely poorly read.

>>15222796
Wow, this makes so much sense! I must read this book!

>>15232401
I don't care what you are, you haven't proved the first premise. Evil doesn't exist. If you think it exists, the fault is with you.

>>15232418
Well, you know, if I want to give a rigorous philosophical proof, it takes time. We can approach it from a different angle, which would speed things up. What are your own views in this regard? Are you a monotheist? How does the good principle relate to your god then? Once you answer these, we can proceed if you're interested and have some energy for it.

>>15223848
Gay "sex" is not actual sex, it is men masturbating into each others' assholes. It is intrinsically unhealthy.

>>15221741

>>15222016
what a retarded take

>>15232446
>Whats are your own views in this regard?
Evil doesn't exist. Is there a different answer you want here?
>Are you a monotheist
Yes, but also pantheistic.
>How does the good principle relate to your god then?
It is a teleological principle of existence or nature.

>>15232550
HECKING BASED

>>15232605
>Yes, but also pantheistic.
based retard

>15222016
the absolute state of christlarpers.

>>15232359
If evil exsisting is false then satan is not evil? Is the bible all the sudden false too?!
This makes more questions then answers bro. I think you played yourself. Or is new point we reached just a test of god?

>>15232667
>>15222016

i fixed your text

>>15232550
Its not by our words that we debate good and evil and if god have something to do with it.
Its the claim of beliefers of "insert christians brand here". They qoute there goatfarmer book that god is good and satan is evil. If good and bad isnt real we get some problems who is the "hero" of the story they try to sell.