/lit/ - Literature

>>15349016
What are some novels by classical writers about the living conditions and experiences of blacks?

>>15349061
The Nigger of the Narcissus

>>15349016
Crazy to think an author would write about their experiences. Didn't you read that Dosto novel about an American? What about the Gogol novel about someone from Rome?

>>15349061
H. P. Lovecraft

>>15349081
>Didn't you read that Dosto novel about an American?

>>15349081
is the message the medium then? lmao

>>15349081
Gogol in fact has a story called Rome

>>15349081
Based post. OP couldn't even recover

>>15349016
Idgaf if it is, I read heaps of shit I don’t identify with, just as long as it doesn’t ignore the more important parts of human life. Like how Baldwin always writes about his relationship with his dad, no matter how gay or black he is I still feel that shit.

>>15349016
Machado de Assis was part black and he didn't write about race. The same is true for Dumas.

>>15349061
I don't see many of the Classical writers making their novels about race.

>>15349081
Most writers don't focus on their race in their writing.

>>15349554
They do write about their ethnicity within a certain era. Dosto isn't writing about generic person X in an era. He is writing about Russians in an era.

>>15349578
His focus was not about the Russianess if his characters.

>>15349590
His focus had everything to do with that.

>>15349590
have you even read dostoevsky? or are you that oblivious to what you read

>>15349616
The most amazing thing about what you're posting is how you manage to latch on to a valid point, then find a way to invalidate it.

>>15349061
Othello.
Shakespare also wrote about Italians, Ancient Romans, Scotts.

>>15349616
Suppose "The Idiot" was set in England. What would change?

>>15349628
the least interesting thing about what you post is how you type words and don't say anything of note.

>>15349016

Giovanni's Room by James Baldwin, although it's about muh gayness. Still pretty based though

>>15349633
Shakespeare’s historical plays have myriads of anachronisms in addition to being based off whatever histories he had available to him at the time. He deals with actual Romans in Julius Caesar about as much as Monty Python dealt with them in Life of Brian.

>>15349667
Not that poster, but Myshkin's world would change entirely. Are you asking how people in a different part of the world with different experiences would change the story?

>>15349677
Suppose this is completely true. This doesn't change anything, does it?

>>15349667
The names, and the prose (if written in 19th cent England) would be unbearable.
>>15349669
>Dosto isn't writing about generic person X in an era. He is writing about Russians in an era.
>His focus had everything to do with (the Russianess if his characters.)
You were good for the first sentence. Dosto heavily incorporates the then current events of Russia into his writing, but he doesn't aim to write a Russian novel in any sense. If you read Dosto and think that he's aiming to deal with Russian characteristics you've completely lost the plot.
>>15349690
>Myshkin's world would change entirely
The entire point of Myshkin is that he leaves his home country to be treated then return. So no, if the novel is set in England it would still open with him returning to the town on a train.

>>15349702
>You were good for the first sentence. Dosto heavily incorporates the then current events of Russia into his writing, but he doesn't aim to write a Russian novel in any sense. If you read Dosto and think that he's aiming to deal with Russian characteristics you've completely lost the plot.

I disagree with this. He is writing a story about Russians, but he is not writing a story for Russians. That is an important difference, in my opinion.

>>15349738
>He is writing a story about Russians but he is not writing a story for Russians
Yeah man that's what I said. It's set in Russia but it's not "Russian".

>>15349738
>I disagree with this
>Then proceeds to repeat what the post says

>>15349755
Perhaps I misinterpreted what you were saying. My mistake. However, I think we both should disagree with the OP of this thread. "Muh blackness" obviously isn't the focus about black characters.

>>15349805
For sure. The quintessential black experience is illiteracy, so how can there be a book about it?

>>15349817
Take a seat son

>>15349817
Gotcha. Let's hear what you have to say about the Jews next. I'm sure it's a 4chan original.

>>15349817

>>15349693
Shakespeare's plays were mirrors into British society, characters being, at best, what a Britisher thought an Ancient Egyptian or an Italian (or a Jew lmao) was like, not "authentic representation" lmao

>>15349817
Wow you're so smart! What did you think of Finnegan's Wake desu :3

dumas

(dumb ass)

>>15349016
Check Samuel Delaney.

>>15349016
>be black
>the sole reason people hate you is because you're black
Why wouldn't they write about it. They're reminded of it all the time by everyone

Try some African novels.

>>15349016
Who the fuck cares lmao

>>15350512
>black

>>15350564
Talk about time well spent! Nothing better than an African novel!

>>15350482
you didn't ask for "authentic represenation."

>>15350551
You have to go back

>>15350604
to where
your post also means nothing

is that Jack Nicholson?

>>15349016
Season of Migration to the North by Tayyeb Salih is a good one.
Chinua Achebe's Things Fall Apart, Ngogi wa Thiongo's I Will Marry When I Choose (it's a play, but a good one), and Dambudzo Marechera's House of Hunger are also pretty good. My favorite of all of these is the last one, for reasons I'm unable to explain. Read it and you'll see why it's good.

>>15349817
Hilarious. Libtards >>15349897 >>15350493 itt absolutely btfo

dumas anyone? Loved the count

>>15349677
>muh anachronisms

>>15349541
mixed =/= black

>>15349773
kys you piece of shit depressed wojak poster

>>15351289
this is true but unfortunately people dont understand, people laugh when mixed people say they're not black
IS A MULE A DONKEY OR A HORSE? ITS NEITHER ITS A FUCKING MULE!
t. mutt

>>15350589
That person is just moving the goalposts to try to defend his "minorities should just write about minority issues" thing.

Which is pretty limiting for the minorities themselves. Sometimes I wonder if SJWs like that guy just want them to always be kept down so that they can always be their savior.

>>15349016
They're probably all written under pen names, like how the womenfolk do.

>>15350589 #
That person is just moving the goalposts to try to defend his "minorities should just write about minority issues" thing.

Which is pretty limiting for the minorities. Sometimes I wonder if SJWs like that guy just want them to always be kept down so that the SJWs can always be their "saviors".

>>15351259
>dumas
Yeah lol, everyone forgets Dumas was black. Dude straight up had an Afro.

>>15351259
That book makes me think of the Monte Crisco Mega Melt at Denny's and so I like it for that reason.

For real though, there's a lot of implicit pressures for African-American authors to always write about the "black experience" for two reasons:
1. y'all are still racist as shit so you are contributing to their own hyperawareness of blackness by trying to shoot them all the damn time
2. the liberal publishing houses actively push SJW-type works and force it down everyone's throats
If you want good black authors that don't talk about them being black, you'll have to look at African novels. Chinua Achebe is a great place to start, I've read a few of his novels back in college and they're interesting and quite poetic. I've heard that Tsitsi Dangarembga and Wole Basedinka are very god but I haven't read them.

>>15349016

read pushkin

The Confessions of Saint Augustine
The Leopard by Giuseppe Tomasi de Lampedusa
Anything by Umberto Eco
Anything by Italo Calvino
The Tartar Steppe by Dino Buzzati

>>15349817
This is UNIRONICALLY correct. Illiteracy was a huge part of the black experience in early America. If we’re talking about slave narratives, I believe songs capture the experience better than writing. If we really talking post-Slavery black American experience then nevermind.

>>15349016
N I G G E R S

my diary desu

I'm a poet though.

https://tinyurl..
com/ybu2cnnr

>>15352764
Ooga Booga, by anon

Ooga boogy
Oogiy Boogity boo
Ooga
Booga
Where the white woman
at

>>15352770
Enlightening. I really have to stop using this website.

>>15352927
Enlightening.
I really have
to stop using this
website.

Congrats, now you're post is by Rupi Kaur

>>15352940
>congrats
>now your post
>is
>by Rupi Kaur

>>15352992
This post is by
Rupi
yes
YES
This post is by Rupi Kaur

>>15350548
What are some Delany book that aren't about being gay?

>>15349817
lol niggers can't read
>>15349897
Some jews managed to dodge the ovens unfortunately

how many posts and nobody has named a single serious one LOL

>>15354430
see
>>15349817

>>15353101
what are some books by Tolstoy that aren't about being straight?

>>15349113
is this real?

>>15349016
>blacks
>capable of writing anything except whining how everyone hates them because of their "skincolor"

>>15349081
>noooo you can't write about things you didn't experience or races you aren't noooo you cant use imagination or research anything nooooo you have to play identity politics with meeeeeeee

>>15349633
>>15349677
Shakespeare wasn't black.

>>15355358
imagine posting shit like this and not regretting many life choices
yikes!

>>15352133
Wole Basedinka is my friend's great grandfather, lmao

>>15349602
Not true. They are Russian and the story is about Russia, but he is not using literature to artificially elevate them to a higher status like blacks do

>>15349050
based

>>15350551
Mostly because they're stupid, to be honest. Same reason to hate normies

>>15351070
Ngugi wa Thiongo is pretty underrated here. Matagari and Weep Not Child are pretty decent books. Same with a 'Grain of Wheat'.

>>15357317
and why are they stupid?
>because they're black
every pseudoscience and baseless judgement it all narrows down to them looking different

>>15349016
Iceberg Slim's Pimp

It's a novelization of his life but it's fucking kino

>>15349590
you've never read any dostoevsky

>>15349016
Why do you care if they're black if you want books where it isn't discussed at all

>>15358555
>b-b-but muh skull shapes
>b-b-but muh black crime rates
god forbid anyone use statistics to tell whatever story they want. its never happened before ever
>>15350551
>>15357317
>>15358555
behold, circular reasoning in action. truly only the highest iq whites have the mental faculty for such a feat

>>15358887
>off by one
time to become an hero

>>15349590
Lol

>>15350564
Sundiatta an Epic of Old Mali is a good one
Anything by Wole basedinka is pretty solid. Death and The Kings Horseman is about duty and honor.

>>15352133
>Wole Basedinka